[Opensim-dev] MXPClient?

[Toni Alatalo]

Frisby, Adam kirjoitti:
> Croquet: No adapter being worked on (I was working on VastPark - which we started today and will finish tomorrow/weds.). Would be interesting to try however - would definitely need help from the Croquet team.
>   

oops sorry for the wrong recall - yes that might be interesting indeed, 
also with the p2p aspects.

> I'm still open to other options if people can think of them.
>   

after the previous post (and having fun thinking of game clients like 
quake), was back to thinking about Verse. it might be actually even 
useful for integrating with 3d apps, but at least interesting 'cause 
provides for live editing of meshes etc.

the model is quite fitting i find: the client connects to a server, 
which tells what objects there are, and the client can then subscribe to 
the objects it wants (all, or just one or some) and the type of events 
that it is interested in (object moves, vertex moves, ..)

J. Hurliman implemented / experimented with preliminary Verse support 
some weeks ago, by writing VerseSharp (the ref impl is c, verse.net by 
Nathan Letwory is unfinished - there is also one c++ impl by iirc 
Fraunhöfer), to Cable Beach. support in OpenSim (for having live scenes) 
would complement that.

On the client side there are Eskil's own tools, incuding a modeller and 
a renderer (viewer like thing), Blender and a somewhat functional 3dmax 
plugin. And a gimp plugin for editing images.

Reportedly the spec is not perfect (also changes have been proposed to 
the protocol) but it works, John Hurliman manages to implement it, and 
hopefully can put his impl out somewhere soon enough.

> Adam
>   

~Toni

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
>> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Toni Alatalo
>> Sent: Sunday, 22 February 2009 9:08 PM
>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MXPClient?
>>
>> Charles Krinke kirjoitti:
>>     
>>> How is the ModRex module? Is that what we need for the Rex client to
>>> connect to OpenSim? I dont recall if it is functional or not.
>>>       
>> yep that's what you need, afaik is functional (you can log in, see
>> meshes etc) but not complete in the sense that not all rexserver feats
>> have been ported from the trunk yet nor all probs solved (last i heard
>> Mikko and Adam were working on something related to multiple regions).
>>
>>     
>>> Are any of the ActiveWorlds, There.com others interesting? Croquet?
>>> Wonderland?
>>>       
>> I think AW might be fun, haven't looked at that in ages though (back
>> when it was 2d, heard they changed to 3d at some point).
>>
>> Croquet is already being worked on IIRC, Adam said something about some
>> guys on some Croquet side coding something to help it first before work
>> progresses from his part or something?
>>
>> Was also thinking of Darkstar, which is the tech used for Wonderland
>> and
>> some other things - found that there is/was no real protocol spec
>> ('cause there are the open source implementations anyone is free to use
>> i guess..), but (to help making actionscript clients i think) a couple
>> of months ago some specifications were written to the javadoc (by a dev
>> has written real protocol specs before) - there's on overview at
>> http://www.projectdarkstar.com/distributions/current/sgs-
>> server/doc/overview-summary.html
>> and that recent wire protocol doc was added to
>> http://www.projectdarkstar.com/distributions/current/sgs-
>> server/doc/com/sun/sgs/protocol/simple/SimpleSgsProtocol.html
>>
>> Just last week I talked with a local games company that had done an MMO
>> using Darkstar, they were pretty happy with it (just used it out of the
>> box to make their game). I have no experience from it myself, just took
>> some look years ago and a little now.
>>
>> I was also trying to find if the new Quake or Doom 3/4 protocol
>> specifications would be somewhere, but didn't find anything resembling
>> that really, so I guess implementing those would mean reading the
>> source. Well I found one student work from '98 that had sniffed Quake2
>> from the wire, and that has been made for many game protocols to be
>> able
>> to write 'pirate' servers (like libsl & opensim was made basically).
>> However classic game protocols are perhaps not so interesting 'cause
>> they only synch movement etc. and load the maps from the local HD at
>> level start. Or I guess we could convert e.g. Wright Plaza (from .oar?)
>> to a Quake map, put it somehow so that people / quake clients can
>> download it, then use Quake clients to connect to OpenSim with modquake
>> installed and run around WP shooting each other :o
>>
>>     
>>> Charles
>>>       
>> ~Toni
>>
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>>> *From:* "Frisby, Adam" <adam at deepthink.com.au>
>>> *To:* "opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de" <opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:16:45 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] MXPClient?
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>>> I'm open to ideas on other clients we could implement too btw.
>>>
>>> Anything that has a well described protocol is up for grabs.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
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>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MXPClient?
>>>>
>>>> Frisby, Adam wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Melanie can probably elucidate a little as to why it's good for
>>>>>           
>> us to
>>     
>>>> have a couple of IClientAPI's in core - namely that it helps
>>>>         
>> prevent
>>     
>>>> monoculture in naming schemas and flow.
>>>>         
>>>> +100 just for this.
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