[Opensim-dev] [linux-elitists] Mono considered harmful

[Frisby, Adam]

It's also worth noting that MS released a somewhat FOSS (I'm a little unsure which of their licenses they used and whether it's an OSI one or not) implementation of .NET for Linux called 'Rotor'.

Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Frisby, Adam
> Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2009 8:59 PM
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [linux-elitists] Mono considered harmful
> 
> Yeah, I did miss reasonable fees.
> 
> However, it is widely believed that the Novell/MS pact disclaims these.
> I would highly suggest bringing this one over to the Mono mailing list,
> they have a lot more experience dealing with these claims.
> 
> Adam
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
> > bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl
> > Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2009 11:34 AM
> > To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [linux-elitists] Mono considered harmful
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> -----
> >
> > From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:44:08 -0700
> > To: linux-elitists at zgp.org
> > Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] [Opensim-dev] Mono considered harmful
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> >
> > Quoting Eugen Leitl (eugen at leitl.org):
> >
> > > IANAL, does below explanation by Adam hold water?
> >
> > You don't have to be a lawyer to know that it's rubbish on two
> separate
> > grounds.
> >
> > Yes, C# is an ECMA standard.  However:
> >
> > (1) It doesn't follow that ECMA International has any power to
> "forbid"
> > patent holders from suing anyone over anything, let alone patent
> > infringement.  I mean, think about it:  Does Adam think ECMA
> > International is Microsoft Corporation's daddy?  That it owns 51% of
> > the
> > issued and outstanding common stock?  At worst, it might be possible
> > for
> > ECMA International to be very deeply disappointed in Microsoft's
> > behaviour at some future point, decertify particular things, and
> > otherwise carry out mild actions that _are_ within its power.
> >
> > More important:
> >
> > (2) In any event, ECMA International does not even _profess_ to
> > disapprove of suing patent infringers.  It merely has a "Code of
> > Conduct
> > in Patent Matters"
> > (http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/codeofconduct.htm),
> setting
> > ECMA policy that the group will approve standards only if it has
> > written
> > assurances from applicant that applicable patents will be licensed on
> a
> > "reasonable, non-discriminatory basis".  (That term of art is
> typically
> > referred to as RAND terms.)
> >
> > Has Adam Frisby completely missed the last decade of standards
> warfare?
> > The proprietary camp has repeatedly attempted to get the World Wide
> Web
> > Consortium to start accepting "RAND" patent licensing, instead of
> > requiring that applicants certify that covering patents will be
> > _royalty-free_.  This arm-twisting failed, because of diligent
> > focussing
> > of attention from open source people.  W3C has stuck to its guns and
> > insistend on royalty-free patent licensing.
> >
> > To spell it out:  "Reasonable" means obligatory patent royalty
> > payments.
> > Which means no open source implementations of those standards.
> >
> > And that is one reason why ECMA standards can be (and often are)
> issued
> > on terms hostile to open source, whereas W3C standards are reliable
> and
> > open-source-friendly.
> >
> > Sheesh.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,              Híggledy-pìggledy / XML programmers
> > Rick Moen            Try to escape those / I-eighteen-N woes;
> > rick at linuxmafia.com  Incontrovertibly / What we need more of is
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