[Opensim-dev] Lively

Thu Jul 10 09:55:46 UTC 2008

The way I see it, being browser-based at the moment is being where the people are. Google already stated that they're going to be integrating Lively to Facebook and MySpace and in those environments having a small and simple to use virtual space as an element on your web page is probably the best possible approach.

If I was google, I'd be stinking rich and just lay down all day doing nothing. No, wait, that didn't go right, let's try again: if I was Google, I'd start improving the avatar generator feature and integrate them as a part of just about every Google service. Playing with avatars is appealing to many people and playing with them could become a sort of a boom. Then when people would already have gotten used to their avatars and chatting in a simple, easy-to-approach environment, I might start rolling out the more demanding and immersive full-3D environments. Or then again maybe not depending on what's the goal, because for now Habbo and other similiar systems seem to be doing pretty well. Full-3D environments are probably a more exciting experience for most, but Habbo and Lively are easier to get into, which is and will continue to be the deciding factor for a (short?) while.
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Aihe: Re: [Opensim-dev] Lively

Lively is not a 20% project, its a strategic move that started when
google tried to buy out IMVU. Instead they took one of the founders and
had him replicate IMVU. Whether there is a business model there, I have
no idea. Does google have a model outside of advertising?

-1 on browser-based viewers.

VWs is an application network, like web, email and IM (and OpenSim
is/will be the Apache/Sendmail/etc that powers the network). Although a
web browser *can* act as a GUI for each one of the above, in reality
most people eventually prefer a dedicated application because its
possible to better capture the essence of the network for users. (How
many people pipe gmail into their "fat" email client because the web
client just doesn't "cut it"?)

While they may provide a *slightly* improved install experience (you
still have to download the plugin), ultimately you've bought very little
for tying yourself to a browser.

I'd like to hear a well reasoned defense of Control-in-Browser based
viewers because I don't see it.

-1 on Lively itself being anything world changing. Its an a limited
application, not pretending to be an open network -- although it is a
particularly legitimizing one, if google does it an lots of people like
it.

Cheers,

On Thu, 2008-07-10 at 15:17 +0900, Dezso Zoltan wrote:
> This might be one of the 20%-time projects and at the moment I'm
> pretty sure we can consider this as a "research" topic and not a
> full-fledged application. If there is business opportunity, we can
> expect it to mature later. If it does, we can find ourselves competing
> with Google's infrastructure and that's the scary part. On the other
> hand, I tried Lively yesterday and it was extremely slow (of course it
> was featured on digg and whatnot, so yesterday's might not have been a
> normal load anyway)
>
> +1 on the browser-based viewer too :)
>
> Zaki
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 2008/7/10, Tim Shephard <tshephard at gmail.com>:
> > Actually the problem with the browser plugin model is that you tend
> >  not to extend its capabilities for fear of busting that model.
> >
> >  Better I think is to start with a rich model and then create
> >  lightweight clients that can go in browsers, cell phones, etc.
> >
> >  As for lively, I think it's pretty me too.  IMVU, habbo hotel, and a
> >  half a dozen other startups are doing pretty much exactly the same
> >  thing here.  I doubt it'll even compete with those guys, nevermind
> >  SL..
> >
> >
> >  On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Sean Dague <sean at dague.net> wrote:
> >  > On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:09:22PM -0400, Frisby, Adam wrote:
> >  >> Definite +1 on the browser plugin, it's a good model.
> >  >
> >  > -1 on windows only.
> >  >
> >  >    -Sean
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