[Opensim-dev] Groups and using our sims more

[Kyle Hamilton]

I think that a peer-to-peer database system, such as a distributed
hash table, would be better than a centralized host.

-Kyle H

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net> wrote:
> Yes, absolutely. Perhaps we could add some features to the MessagingServer
> or a region module. It depends on how you think the architecture will evolve
> to be most beneficial.
>
> I would think that just *one* group to start with and get it working. Then
> after that one group channel becomes unwieldly, we can be ready with the
> next version for *more then one* group.
>
> If it can be done so it is HyperGrid-centric, then it transcends grids and
> standalones and helps us build more of an OpenSim community.
>
> Of course, I would not be offended if OSGrid plays a major role in the whole
> idea. Perhaps by hosting the database.
>
> Charles
>
> ________________________________
> From: Diva Canto <diva at metaverseink.com>
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:35:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Groups and using our sims more
>
> Excellent idea, Charles. It would be fun to have group conversations while
> on my standalone. Here are some thoughts on it.
>
> The UAI is a trio of services centered on individual users. The M is
> bridging between individual users, and starts moving into the support for
> social activities. For groups, what we need is a Group service. (Note I'm
> using the word *service*, which may or may not be implemented as a server) I
> would love to have a group service that would work in p2p mode. So, for
> example, through my standalone's group services, I could join some group
> that you have set up in OSGrid. And you could join a group I create on my
> standalone.
>
> Two interesting questions are how to (a) specify and (b) find groups. For
> (a), just like for everything else in the HG, groups have to be suffixed
> with the domain where they are created. So opensim-dev would probably be
> opensim-dev@ http://osgrid.org:8006 or something like that. For (b) I can
> imagine several things, from external data services to true peer to peer
> search.
>
> But having groups is not enough; you need group messaging, which ties back
> to the M service.
> The first logical step is to enable HG users to message each other, i.e.
> make M p2p too. I haven't looked at the M service yet, so I'm not sure
> what's involved, but I'm pretty sure it's feasible.
>
> Taking from the experience of p2p-ing the UAI, I think a good strategy for
> all of these services is to make things work within a [logical] grid first,
> and then p2p that by having users carry along the addresses of those
> services as they move around. So service interaction with an HG user always
> goes to the address that the user is carrying around. (Hey, inventory use
> this; hey Asset use that; hey Messaging, use that other; etc)
>
>
> Charles Krinke wrote:
>
> We are at the point where I believe some modest group implementation would
> help us move along significantly. Particularly, if our group implmentation
> had HyperGrid notions are were grid-agnostic.
>
> We spend a lot of time on IRC these days and are missing the chance to use
> our sims more.
>
> If we had even a modest implementation of groups, then it would be possible
> for folks to be testing building & scripting and our IRC activities could,
> in some measure, move over to a "HyperGrid Group Chat".
>
> I would like to encourage us to think about this and see if there is a way
> to begin some modest implementation.
>
> Charles
>
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