[Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] grid operation and the idea of HOME

Thu Dec 11 17:51:47 UTC 2008

What is exciting about Hypergrid to me, is that it brings us one step 
closer to what I would like to see for a VW environment...

Namely that "Home" is a region on a user's own box that runs effectively 
stand-alone and is coupled to the user's client.  The user can play and 
build and whatnot "at home" whether they are online or offline, and 
"Logging in" brings their "home" region into the hypergrid so that they 
can invite others to their home or leave their home and visit others.

"Logging off" would decouple their home region from the hypergrid once 
again, returning them to effectively offline status.

-- Pixelcat

Kyle "G" wrote:
> I have some ideas for embedded, disconnected apps, mobile in nature which
> require a small embeddable DB and minimal footprint from OpenSim.  For this
> reason we feel standalone mode is important and needed but for the majority
> of what we plan in 2009 HyperGrid is a revolution we are really happy to see
> as we would  love to be part of a bigger community of similar OpenSim grids.
>  
> Kyle G
> www.reactiongrid.com 
>  
> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de
> [mailto:opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Michael Wright
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 6:37 AM
> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] grid operation
>  
> -1, I think standalone mode is a important feature, and will become more
> important in the future
>
>  I do think though, that we can do a lot more to cut down the code paths and
> make the grid services share code and interfaces better with standalone mode
>
> Ryan McDougall <sempuki1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> belated +1
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Hurliman, John wrote:
>   
>> It seems to me that standalone mode could easily be replaced with a small
>>     
> C# app that launches all of the grid services with the proper configuration.
> This would reduce a lot of code paths.
>   
>> John
>>
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: opensim-dev-bounces at lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-
>>> bounces at lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Stefan Andersson
>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 2:40 AM
>>> To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de; opensim-users at lists.berlios.de
>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [Opensim-users] grid operation
>>>
>>> Kyle,
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I'm going to claim utter and absolute selfishness here and state that
>>>> I cannot see any situation under which I would have only 1 location
>>>> open in the 3D web.
>>>>         
>>> But others can and do - especially the out-of-the-box noob or the app
>>> dev just wanting to throw up a region to test a module.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> For the purpose of "easily getting things set up", standalone is all
>>>> but useless in its initial state. It's certainly easier to get set
>>>> up, but it's also much more limited.
>>>>         
>>> It has one glorious use : letting people get an instant taste of
>>> OpenSim. That's probably what got us this far this fast.
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Grid mode is perhaps a bit more difficult to set up -- but the
>>>> default in the configuration file is for the Null storage plugin to
>>>> be used under standalone mode. This makes things... difficult... when
>>>> trying to explain how to get modifications to the environment saved.
>>>>         
>>> For region persistence, it's SQLite, not Null?
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Because
>>>> first, you have to explain how to configure the storage for the other
>>>> modules (again, for standalone).
>>>>         
>>> I must admit I'm a bit confused as of what resources you mean need
>>> configuration and extra set-up. Can you be more specific?
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Also, I've been following the posts on the topic of the HyperGrid. I
>>>> need more information on this: will it work for any of the minigrids
>>>> to be in standalone mode when they try to connect with the HG? My gut
>>>> feeling says no... and my reason for promoting grid over standalone
>>>> is simply this: the HyperGrid is much closer to what the web is --
>>>> multiple administrative domains that all work together to pass
>>>> traffic between them. I don't view HG as being the final evolution,
>>>> but I do view it as being a very good start.
>>>>         
>>> Definitively - HG is a major step along the very lines we've been
>>> envisioning since the very beginning - when we first started using the
>>> phrase "3D Web". Let's not forget the "friendly teleports" region
>>> handle hacks of old. This is all building one step at a time, towards
>>> a golden future. The project has come a long way in only two years.
>>>
>>> And I'm pretty confident that there's even more magical stuff brewing
>>> on private hard drives and in corporate offices. :D
>>>
>>>       
>>>> (And thank you, as always, for your time. :))
>>>>         
>>> And thank you for yours, Kyle!
>>>
>>> /Stefan
>>>
>>>       
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