[Opensim-dev] Universal Avatar Question

Sat Apr 12 03:41:05 UTC 2008

Charles doesn't want to introduce code that opensim doesn't maintain,
because he's worried about the stability of the OSGrid, and he doesn't
want any fingerpointing to happen (opensim says "it's thirdlife's
fault!" and thirdlife says "it's opensim's fault!").  This happens a
LOT more than you might think, and in the meantime the userserver's
down, people can't log in, and OSgrid loses more and more credibility.

So, what I would like to know is this: What would the design of such a
"portable avatar" system be like?  How could opensim interact with
this system in a way that wouldn't require changes being applied from
multiple groups?

Do you have a mailing list for such development?  I would like to join.

-Kyle H

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Daedius <daedius at daedius.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand you.  You sound like your talking too
>  opensim & OSGrid specific.  Shouldn't Universial Avatar Services be
>  something cross grid?  What if someone doesn't use opensim in the
>  future.  I think you need to be thinking at this from a higher level a
>  bit Charles.
>
>  - Daedius
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net> wrote:
>  >
>  > As I think about this a little more, I rapidly get to where I look at the
>  > users table in the mysql datastor for the grid.
>  >
>  > Things that are needed for a login are pretty much all in this table. The
>  > first item, "UUID" is the user server perception of the identity of an
>  > avatar. Everything in other tables is referenced from users.UUID.
>  >
>  > The grid contains a username, lastname & passwordSalt. These are compared to
>  > the incoming first & last and then the password is processed and compared
>  > with passwordSalt.
>  >
>  > At that time, the entry users.homeRegion comes into play and other things
>  > such as users.userInventoryURI and users.userAssetURI become real important
>  > for a succesful login.
>  >
>  > So, from a grid viewpoint, there already is a set of entries for each user
>  > in the mysql database. It isnt quite as simple as just having a universal
>  > avatar id.
>  >
>  > I have to say again, that from the viewpoint of OSGrid, we desire to stay
>  > close to the OpenSim release cycle and test and deploy svn releases at the
>  > pleasure of the core developers and the stakeholders that use OSGrid. So,
>  > this really does get back to OpenSim.
>  >
>  > Charles
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: Daedius <daedius at daedius.com>
>  > To: opensim-dev at lists.berlios.de
>  > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 6:24:15 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Universal Avatar Question
>  >
>  >  Hey there Charles,
>  >
>  > Thanks for posting this.  I would like to put out a call to grid
>  > owners to help form the grid information services of the future.  I'm
>  > one of the active developers of openviewer, and the more I work and
>  > design, there more I feel the  NEED for more information from grid
>  > owners! =)  I have a number of ideas that need the participation of
>  > opensim.  Personally though, I believe this should be a project
>  > outside of opensim.  Here are a few examples of things I foresee us
>  > needing in the immediate future:
>  >
>  > - ability to autoregister an avatar on a grid
>  > - ability to get information about the grid: descriptions, image/icon,
>  > tags of what type of content ( sex, language, interests, etc)
>  > - ability to get some measure of lag between the client and server
>  > - ability to get population and logged on information of avatars externally
>  >
>  > These things COULD all be within opensim, but what I would like to do,
>  > is create a new project.  I've started a project on google code called
>  > "thirdlife" where I am going to focus my efforts on grid information
>  > services.  If any of you all are grid owners, I'd like to get a hold
>  > of you to try to figure out what information exactly you all are
>  > looking to expose to users.  Thanks!
>  >
>  > - Daedius
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 12:02 PM, Charles Krinke <cfk at pacbell.net> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I am sorry to open yet another Pandora's Box this week, but two different
>  > > folks have approached me as the OSGrid Director in the last two days about
>  > > putting experimental software on the grid server to begin prototyping
>  > ideas
>  > > to allow an avatar to log onto multiple grids.
>  > >
>  > > I have told both, that I desire to stay with the mainline OpenSim desires
>  > as
>  > > this evolves.
>  > >
>  > > I think the issue is that we may need to give some thought to pulling
>  > > together some of the ideas from the various parties in order to head in a
>  > > direction that lets us continue to lead this charge.
>  > >
>  > > Charles
>  > >
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