0008306: mesh object do not work with current bullet-sim physics..

(0032600)
tampa (reporter)
2018-03-22 04:36

Does this also occur with other mesh objects uploaded to that simulator or just the linkset you downloaded through the viewer?

(0032601)
UbitUmarov (administrator)
2018-03-22 04:46

This can be a issue with the viewer DAE export

(0032602)
Verwijs (reporter)
2018-03-22 06:32
edited on: 2018-03-22 06:34

@tampa
any .dae mesh...

@UbitUmarov
hat nothing to do with viewer, bug shows up starting up opensimulator without any viewer started...

other note: terrain is also a mesh, they don't go together...

(0032603)
UbitUmarov (administrator)
2018-03-22 06:35

im reading the steps to reproduce:
...
- export linkset as mesh .dae object
- import again as mesh object
...
this may just fail with current viewers, using generic linksets.

(0032604)
UbitUmarov (administrator)
2018-03-22 08:54

did test with 2 or 3 basic linked box prims and FS 5.0.11
and it kinda worked.
- the root prim is wrong, and LODs are very bad uploading with default settings.

tested also at sl (you own me 17L$ :p ) with same bad results.

the number of vertices and tris is also absurd, and dependent on the boxes size.
One case 108 tris and 96 vertices, when that simple box only needs 12 tris and 8 vertices, no matter the size. Really bad!
btw did test with ubOde, but that error does not seem related to physics engine.

(0032605)
UbitUmarov (administrator)
2018-03-22 08:59

a older singurarity viewer does upload with correct root prim, but also a ton of vertices and triangles

(0032606)
Verwijs (reporter)
2018-03-23 01:59

also tested with import/export with blender, exported as separated parts and joined together as one mesh object. all crashing physics. had to tp to other region, restart region with mesh object to reset physics...

(0032607)
tampa (reporter)
2018-03-23 02:02

I have been unable to reproduce this issue, does switching to another physics engine resolve the issue or do errors occur with ubODE as well?

(0032608)
BillBlight (developer)
2018-03-23 06:54
edited on: 2018-03-23 07:03

I tested this, brought up a bulletsim region, and was able to reproduce this but not consistently, by uploading and selecting NO physics level, so the resulting import blew up with no physics shape.

Imported mesh that was exported from the viewer is horrible though.

(0032609)
UbitUmarov (administrator)
2018-03-23 08:08

i only tested ubOde, because, reasons.. (ie im lazy)
the error did seem not related to a engine, but i may be wrong.
Do you also have the issue with ubOde?

And yes like i said the exported meshes are far from good, you will need a lot of work on blender to clean them up. Guess viewers get them from rendering and that does seem to have extra vertices to suport skew, twist etc, even when not used.

(0032610)
BillBlight (developer)
2018-03-23 08:08

No I had no issues and could not replicate it on ubODE ..

But the imported mesh still sucks .

(0032957)
Wiccy (reporter)
2018-09-16 21:02

This also occurs with any mesh uploaded, not just viewer-exported meshes.

(0033493)
Ferd Frederix (reporter)
2018-11-14 10:39

Instructions in Blender to optimize a cube.

Edit the object (right click it, then press tab key).
Select all vertexes with 'a', which is a toggle, so you may have to press it twice. Do this for each step below, so that the vertexes are always highlighted in orange.

Mesh-Cleanup-Remove doubles (welds all close vertexes together)
Mesh-Cleanup-Limited dissolve (removes extra faces less than 5 degrees slope, you can adjust this at lower left in the 't' window)

After this, you cube will be one piece and be 12 triangles, and not 96. It should upload nicely now. If it does not mesh, there is a problem in your opensim code or mesh settings, and it is not the mesh.

For models you get off the internet, you probably need to do these, too:

Mesh-Cleanup-delete loose (deletes any hanging edges)
Mesh-Cleanup-degenerate dissolve (delete disconnected vertices and edges)

This usually will fix up almost anything that has less than the 21K triangle limit.

Notes
(0032600) tampa (reporter) 2018-03-22 04:36	Does this also occur with other mesh objects uploaded to that simulator or just the linkset you downloaded through the viewer?

(0032601) UbitUmarov (administrator) 2018-03-22 04:46	This can be a issue with the viewer DAE export

(0032602) Verwijs (reporter) 2018-03-22 06:32 edited on: 2018-03-22 06:34	@tampa any .dae mesh... @UbitUmarov hat nothing to do with viewer, bug shows up starting up opensimulator without any viewer started... other note: terrain is also a mesh, they don't go together...

(0032603) UbitUmarov (administrator) 2018-03-22 06:35	im reading the steps to reproduce: ... - export linkset as mesh .dae object - import again as mesh object ... this may just fail with current viewers, using generic linksets.

(0032604) UbitUmarov (administrator) 2018-03-22 08:54	did test with 2 or 3 basic linked box prims and FS 5.0.11 and it kinda worked. - the root prim is wrong, and LODs are very bad uploading with default settings. tested also at sl (you own me 17L$ :p ) with same bad results. the number of vertices and tris is also absurd, and dependent on the boxes size. One case 108 tris and 96 vertices, when that simple box only needs 12 tris and 8 vertices, no matter the size. Really bad! btw did test with ubOde, but that error does not seem related to physics engine.

(0032605) UbitUmarov (administrator) 2018-03-22 08:59	a older singurarity viewer does upload with correct root prim, but also a ton of vertices and triangles

(0032606) Verwijs (reporter) 2018-03-23 01:59	also tested with import/export with blender, exported as separated parts and joined together as one mesh object. all crashing physics. had to tp to other region, restart region with mesh object to reset physics...

(0032607) tampa (reporter) 2018-03-23 02:02	I have been unable to reproduce this issue, does switching to another physics engine resolve the issue or do errors occur with ubODE as well?

(0032608) BillBlight (developer) 2018-03-23 06:54 edited on: 2018-03-23 07:03	I tested this, brought up a bulletsim region, and was able to reproduce this but not consistently, by uploading and selecting NO physics level, so the resulting import blew up with no physics shape. Imported mesh that was exported from the viewer is horrible though.

(0032609) UbitUmarov (administrator) 2018-03-23 08:08	i only tested ubOde, because, reasons.. (ie im lazy) the error did seem not related to a engine, but i may be wrong. Do you also have the issue with ubOde? And yes like i said the exported meshes are far from good, you will need a lot of work on blender to clean them up. Guess viewers get them from rendering and that does seem to have extra vertices to suport skew, twist etc, even when not used.

(0032610) BillBlight (developer) 2018-03-23 08:08	No I had no issues and could not replicate it on ubODE .. But the imported mesh still sucks .

(0032957) Wiccy (reporter) 2018-09-16 21:02	This also occurs with any mesh uploaded, not just viewer-exported meshes.

(0033493) Ferd Frederix (reporter) 2018-11-14 10:39	Instructions in Blender to optimize a cube. Edit the object (right click it, then press tab key). Select all vertexes with 'a', which is a toggle, so you may have to press it twice. Do this for each step below, so that the vertexes are always highlighted in orange. Mesh-Cleanup-Remove doubles (welds all close vertexes together) Mesh-Cleanup-Limited dissolve (removes extra faces less than 5 degrees slope, you can adjust this at lower left in the 't' window) After this, you cube will be one piece and be 12 triangles, and not 96. It should upload nicely now. If it does not mesh, there is a problem in your opensim code or mesh settings, and it is not the mesh. For models you get off the internet, you probably need to do these, too: Mesh-Cleanup-delete loose (deletes any hanging edges) Mesh-Cleanup-degenerate dissolve (delete disconnected vertices and edges) This usually will fix up almost anything that has less than the 21K triangle limit.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2018-03-22 04:05	Verwijs	New Issue
2018-03-22 04:05	Verwijs	File Added: mesh-bulletsim-bug.txt
2018-03-22 04:36	tampa	Note Added: 0032600
2018-03-22 04:46	UbitUmarov	Note Added: 0032601
2018-03-22 06:32	Verwijs	Note Added: 0032602
2018-03-22 06:34	Verwijs	Note Edited: 0032602	View Revisions
2018-03-22 06:35	UbitUmarov	Note Added: 0032603
2018-03-22 08:54	UbitUmarov	Note Added: 0032604
2018-03-22 08:59	UbitUmarov	Note Added: 0032605
2018-03-23 01:59	Verwijs	Note Added: 0032606
2018-03-23 02:02	tampa	Note Added: 0032607
2018-03-23 06:54	BillBlight	Note Added: 0032608
2018-03-23 07:02	BillBlight	Note Edited: 0032608	View Revisions
2018-03-23 07:03	BillBlight	Note Edited: 0032608	View Revisions
2018-03-23 08:08	UbitUmarov	Note Added: 0032609
2018-03-23 08:08	BillBlight	Note Added: 0032610
2018-09-16 21:02	Wiccy	Note Added: 0032957
2018-11-13 22:31	BillBlight	Relationship added	related to 0008408
2018-11-14 10:39	Ferd Frederix	Note Added: 0033493