0007862: Avatar unable to cross var borders in 0.9.0.0

(0030145)
Kayaker Magic (reporter)
2016-04-04 22:24

Turns out I have been using a stale copy of the OSgrid distribution. I downloaded a fresh copy of osgrid-opensim-03062016.v0.9.0.be43fc2.zip, re-installed and tested this again. I am still unable to cross borders more than once in 3x3 vars. Increased the size to 4x4 vars, same problem. Re-tested with 1x1 regions, still works fine there.

(0030290)
Kayaker Magic (reporter)
2016-05-10 11:34

I am told the reason that I am having trouble with avatars crossing borders when other people are not is because I am running my var regions in separate instances that are on the same physical server. It only fails in this case.

(0030413)
Scooby Scorfield (reporter)
2016-06-07 01:46

Hi,
I have a set of ocean var-regions, all the same size, in the same instance and I still see this problem.
Feel free to test - The regions are the Scooblantic 01-08

(0030417)
kenvc (reporter)
2016-06-07 11:07
edited on: 2016-06-07 12:14

I see this same issue. Its been going on for some time with no fix. I am using MySQL and my adjoining vars are all square and of the same size and running in the same instance.

(0030419)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-07 12:34
edited on: 2016-06-07 13:11

I cannot repro this. I am on Windows, 2 neighboring 768x768 regions running on separate processes. I can cross multiple times.

Can you provide more information? Any special attachments you're wearing? What viewer?
Also what version of mono in each sim?

(0030421)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-07 15:13

I have now tested this on a linux box running under mono 2.10.8, and I still cannot reproduce the problem -- I am able to cross multiple times between two 512x512 varregions, each on a separate OpenSim process.

(0030422)
Kayaker Magic (reporter)
2016-06-07 20:26

Gavin Hird says that he used to have this problem but it went away after he installed a patch for a thread naming bug. I tried "upgrading" to the version from the latest tar ball from OSgrid.org (0.9.0.dev.bcee4e3 - [zip] [31.8mb] 05-23-2016 built from OpenSimulator git hash : bcee4e377200d26beeb6ea4760e840b2ff4a5d24) I don't (yet) have the ability to build the binaries directly from git.
The problem still occurs for me between two 512x512 varregions. I am running OpenSim on a Linux/Mono system with Mono version 3.0.4 I am using FireStorm.

(0030426)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-08 08:00

@Kayaker, can you tell me more about your setup, specifically:

- are the two regions under your control?
- are the two regions running on the same server?
- is any of the regions running on the same local network as the viewer?

(0030433)
Kayaker Magic (reporter)
2016-06-09 10:08

The two regions are under my control. They are running on the same physical server, but separate instances. The server (Linux) is on the same LAN as the PC(Windows) my viewer (FireStorm) is on. They are on the OSgrid, so anyone can go there and see if the problem happens from outside my LAN. Search for "Test Bed03", TP there, fly north across the border into "Test Bed04" and see if you can cross that border more than once.

(0030434)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-09 11:25

I went to your sims in osgrid and verified the problem when crossing from 03 to 04, and then tried to cross back. It looks like the problem happens before you even attempt the second cross: it happens when you cross first -- the child agent of the departing region seems to die.

However, I noticed something else that you don't report here: I then logged out, waited a couple of minutes and logged in again - this time I landed in 04. When I logged in, I could not even see your 03 region.

So there's something fundamentally wrong in either your configurations or on osgrid's. Maybe you made your region's information persistent on the grid service, and it still has the size 256?

(0030438)
Mandarinka Tasty (reporter)
2016-06-09 14:21

Hello :)

I have also created two test var regions typo: 768x768 in OSGrid.

And I can't even do first crossing !

i can easily teleport myself from region A to region B and opposite direction

and also I can teleport myself from both regions to some, other, not adjacent region.

And also I can teleport to both var regions from external region.

Only crossing borders do not work at all. Simply saying:

when i stay in region A and want to walk to region B, region B does not allow me

to enter.

(0030439)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-09 20:14

FYI, the root cause of this problem is that OSGrid is still running the central services on release 0.8.2. Some things have changed that make 0.9 sims not work well with 0.8.2 central services.

So the good news is that these problems will go away when OSGrid upgrades their central services.

We are going to do some more testing to see if there are additional problems related to the reverse combination, i.e. 0.9 central services with 0.8.2 sims. This is an important combination for OSGrid that needs to be supported.

(0030442)
Mandarinka Tasty (reporter)
2016-06-10 03:02

I see. That sounds like reasonable and acceptable explanation.

So also, between the lines, you want to say, that patching some issues, that

appears in 0.9.0 simulators located in OSGrid, where Robust = central services

still is running 0.8.2 version is not necessary.

Because those issues can disappear after switching OSGrid's Robust to 0.9.0.

Yes now I agree with it :)

In other words: all tests that are being established in 0.9.0 simulators should be proccessed only in environments,

where central services ( Robust ) also use 0.9.0 opensim version.

In this way, it has sense.

Earlier I have taken obvious assumption,that OSGrid's robust is also 0.9.0

Thank You for this useful info.

(0030522)
nebadon (administrator)
2016-06-14 09:06

OSgrid Robust is now finally upgraded to 0.9 robust, please test again and let us know, if things are working again please close this bug report, thanks for letting us know!

(0030524)
Scooby Scorfield (reporter)
2016-06-14 11:53

Awesome, looks good to me - 15 crossings without issue!

(0030618)
Diva (administrator)
2016-06-21 09:36

Is this fixed?

Notes
(0030145) Kayaker Magic (reporter) 2016-04-04 22:24	Turns out I have been using a stale copy of the OSgrid distribution. I downloaded a fresh copy of osgrid-opensim-03062016.v0.9.0.be43fc2.zip, re-installed and tested this again. I am still unable to cross borders more than once in 3x3 vars. Increased the size to 4x4 vars, same problem. Re-tested with 1x1 regions, still works fine there.

(0030290) Kayaker Magic (reporter) 2016-05-10 11:34	I am told the reason that I am having trouble with avatars crossing borders when other people are not is because I am running my var regions in separate instances that are on the same physical server. It only fails in this case.

(0030413) Scooby Scorfield (reporter) 2016-06-07 01:46	Hi, I have a set of ocean var-regions, all the same size, in the same instance and I still see this problem. Feel free to test - The regions are the Scooblantic 01-08

(0030417) kenvc (reporter) 2016-06-07 11:07 edited on: 2016-06-07 12:14	I see this same issue. Its been going on for some time with no fix. I am using MySQL and my adjoining vars are all square and of the same size and running in the same instance.

(0030419) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-07 12:34 edited on: 2016-06-07 13:11	I cannot repro this. I am on Windows, 2 neighboring 768x768 regions running on separate processes. I can cross multiple times. Can you provide more information? Any special attachments you're wearing? What viewer? Also what version of mono in each sim?

(0030421) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-07 15:13	I have now tested this on a linux box running under mono 2.10.8, and I still cannot reproduce the problem -- I am able to cross multiple times between two 512x512 varregions, each on a separate OpenSim process.

(0030422) Kayaker Magic (reporter) 2016-06-07 20:26	Gavin Hird says that he used to have this problem but it went away after he installed a patch for a thread naming bug. I tried "upgrading" to the version from the latest tar ball from OSgrid.org (0.9.0.dev.bcee4e3 - [zip] [31.8mb] 05-23-2016 built from OpenSimulator git hash : bcee4e377200d26beeb6ea4760e840b2ff4a5d24) I don't (yet) have the ability to build the binaries directly from git. The problem still occurs for me between two 512x512 varregions. I am running OpenSim on a Linux/Mono system with Mono version 3.0.4 I am using FireStorm.

(0030426) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-08 08:00	@Kayaker, can you tell me more about your setup, specifically: - are the two regions under your control? - are the two regions running on the same server? - is any of the regions running on the same local network as the viewer?

(0030433) Kayaker Magic (reporter) 2016-06-09 10:08	The two regions are under my control. They are running on the same physical server, but separate instances. The server (Linux) is on the same LAN as the PC(Windows) my viewer (FireStorm) is on. They are on the OSgrid, so anyone can go there and see if the problem happens from outside my LAN. Search for "Test Bed03", TP there, fly north across the border into "Test Bed04" and see if you can cross that border more than once.

(0030434) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-09 11:25	I went to your sims in osgrid and verified the problem when crossing from 03 to 04, and then tried to cross back. It looks like the problem happens before you even attempt the second cross: it happens when you cross first -- the child agent of the departing region seems to die. However, I noticed something else that you don't report here: I then logged out, waited a couple of minutes and logged in again - this time I landed in 04. When I logged in, I could not even see your 03 region. So there's something fundamentally wrong in either your configurations or on osgrid's. Maybe you made your region's information persistent on the grid service, and it still has the size 256?

(0030438) Mandarinka Tasty (reporter) 2016-06-09 14:21	Hello :) I have also created two test var regions typo: 768x768 in OSGrid. And I can't even do first crossing ! i can easily teleport myself from region A to region B and opposite direction and also I can teleport myself from both regions to some, other, not adjacent region. And also I can teleport to both var regions from external region. Only crossing borders do not work at all. Simply saying: when i stay in region A and want to walk to region B, region B does not allow me to enter.

(0030439) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-09 20:14	FYI, the root cause of this problem is that OSGrid is still running the central services on release 0.8.2. Some things have changed that make 0.9 sims not work well with 0.8.2 central services. So the good news is that these problems will go away when OSGrid upgrades their central services. We are going to do some more testing to see if there are additional problems related to the reverse combination, i.e. 0.9 central services with 0.8.2 sims. This is an important combination for OSGrid that needs to be supported.

(0030442) Mandarinka Tasty (reporter) 2016-06-10 03:02	I see. That sounds like reasonable and acceptable explanation. So also, between the lines, you want to say, that patching some issues, that appears in 0.9.0 simulators located in OSGrid, where Robust = central services still is running 0.8.2 version is not necessary. Because those issues can disappear after switching OSGrid's Robust to 0.9.0. Yes now I agree with it :) In other words: all tests that are being established in 0.9.0 simulators should be proccessed only in environments, where central services ( Robust ) also use 0.9.0 opensim version. In this way, it has sense. Earlier I have taken obvious assumption,that OSGrid's robust is also 0.9.0 Thank You for this useful info.

(0030522) nebadon (administrator) 2016-06-14 09:06	OSgrid Robust is now finally upgraded to 0.9 robust, please test again and let us know, if things are working again please close this bug report, thanks for letting us know!

(0030524) Scooby Scorfield (reporter) 2016-06-14 11:53	Awesome, looks good to me - 15 crossings without issue!

(0030618) Diva (administrator) 2016-06-21 09:36	Is this fixed?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2016-03-26 22:18	Kayaker Magic	New Issue
2016-04-04 22:24	Kayaker Magic	Note Added: 0030145
2016-05-10 11:34	Kayaker Magic	Note Added: 0030290
2016-06-07 01:46	Scooby Scorfield	Note Added: 0030413
2016-06-07 11:07	kenvc	Note Added: 0030417
2016-06-07 12:01	Diva	Relationship added	related to 0007802
2016-06-07 12:14	kenvc	Note Edited: 0030417	View Revisions
2016-06-07 12:34	Diva	Note Added: 0030419
2016-06-07 13:11	Diva	Note Edited: 0030419	View Revisions
2016-06-07 15:13	Diva	Note Added: 0030421
2016-06-07 20:26	Kayaker Magic	Note Added: 0030422
2016-06-08 08:00	Diva	Note Added: 0030426
2016-06-09 10:08	Kayaker Magic	Note Added: 0030433
2016-06-09 11:25	Diva	Note Added: 0030434
2016-06-09 14:21	Mandarinka Tasty	Note Added: 0030438
2016-06-09 20:14	Diva	Note Added: 0030439
2016-06-10 03:02	Mandarinka Tasty	Note Added: 0030442
2016-06-14 09:06	nebadon	Note Added: 0030522
2016-06-14 11:53	Scooby Scorfield	Note Added: 0030524
2016-06-21 09:36	Diva	Note Added: 0030618