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[11:05 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: We can get started now.
[11:05 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. :)
[11:05 AM PT]  Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hihi andrew
[11:05 AM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Andrew, hello
[11:06 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ok abotu last week code changes..
[11:06 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: think there was just one i did commit a few seconds ago ;)
[11:07 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Set estate manager max count to 15
[11:07 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: A libomv update as well
[11:07 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker
[11:07 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: yes  from 10
[11:08 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: and yes did update libomv, fixing a small bug
[11:08 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: on llsd  xml string chars escape
[11:09 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: that only rfecently did shopw up with things embeding json inside llsd xml
[11:09 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ll does love to burn cpyus doing such things..
[11:09 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: whatever..
[11:11 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I spent some time over the weekend to look at xunit for writing a new unit testing setup, but so far not much luck getting that to work. It seems to aim at testing projects directly which clashes with our prebuild setup, have to do some more digging on that
[11:12 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: also added the flag PRIM_SCULPT_FLAG_ANIMESH  (and PRIM_SCULPT_TYPE_MESH) for *Set/get*PrimParams
[11:12 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: if a prim is mesh, llSet* can only change that flag
[11:13 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: until now it couid messup all the shape information in a bad way
[11:14 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: Animesh sculpts? Is that desirable?
[11:14 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: mesh is a subset of sculpts
[11:15 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: :)
[11:15 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: that flag seems to allow to enable/disable animesh on a prim
[11:15 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: but where do you store the weigths?
[11:15 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: at least that is what my changoes allow now
[11:15 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: what weigths?
[11:16 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: this is only abotu the flag that enables animesh
[11:16 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: Animesh are rigged mesh, usually.
[11:16 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: What's the point of making something animesh if it is not rigged?
[11:16 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: wel in fact can't check if the mesh is riggid there
[11:17 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: If you set the animesh flag for a sculpt, does it do anything?
[11:17 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well why allow lsl to change this is the question.. but apparently ll does
[11:17 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ofc it needs to be a rigged emsh
[11:18 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: my code change now does check if the prim is a mesh ( can't check if rigged ) and ignores the flag if not
[11:18 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: OK. So it doesn't really do much to set that flag for a sculpt. Except add an additional 15 land impact in SL.
[11:19 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: as i said, our previus code did allow to fully "destroy the prim"
[11:19 AM PT]  Joe Magarac: Have to leave early today. Sorry.
[11:19 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: cya
[11:19 AM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Peace Joe
[11:19 AM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: just as I get here late lol.  Have a great week!
[11:20 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: np, Joe. See you again another week.
[11:20 AM PT]  Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: L8rs Joe
[11:22 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: welll thing those where all the changes on code ( and only on branch dotnt6 )
[11:22 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: im still delaying changed master to that :)
[11:22 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: changing.. i mean
[11:25 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Does anyone have questions or outstanding issues?
[11:25 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I'm having a problem with a small grid, can I ask for help now?
[11:25 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: go ahead, Kayaker.
[11:26 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I set up a small grid, everything worked fine for a few weeks, then it stopped letting local accounts log on. I can still HG to the grid, but cannot log on, it says something went wrong please try again later. Here's the last thing from the region log on one of those events:
[11:26 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: 13:16:10 - [SCENE]: Incoming client Kayaker Magic in region Galactic via regular login. Client IP verification not performed.
[11:27 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I'm pulling my hair out trying to figure out what I did to cause this.
[11:27 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Any change to name servers or firewall?
[11:27 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: by grid you do mean you are running robust?
[11:28 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: To fix the problem, I tried disabling the firewall, did not help.
[11:28 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Yes, robust is running, and tells me I'm already logged on every other attempt.
[11:28 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: when it does it, it does clear the flag
[11:29 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: something is preventing that
[11:29 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: nothing on its logs?
[11:29 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: The robust console shows everything looking good, hands it over to the region, the region log starts, then fails to finish.
[11:30 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: oh then its is about connecting to regions..
[11:30 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well usuall things
[11:30 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Yet HG visitors can get in!
[11:31 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: check configs, namely  region.ini
[11:31 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well your router lost loopback =
[11:31 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ?
[11:31 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: The region.ini was working fine a week ago!
[11:31 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: My router or the router on the server (in the cloud)?
[11:32 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I've asked friends all over the world to log on, they get the same problem, it is not my local router.
[11:32 AM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: any system updates outside OS?
[11:32 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: dns issues?
[11:33 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: The server has a WEB page, it works fine, phpmyadmin works fine, WEBmin works fine. HG visitors can log on fine.
[11:33 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: The last thing I changed on the system was installing sendmail. I tried removing that, didn't help.
[11:33 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: InternalAddress? ExternalHostName?
[11:34 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the console should show something going on during the login process
[11:34 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: if login is rejected
[11:34 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I have a domain name, SSL cert for it from LetsEncrypt, I use that for the hostname
[11:35 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If this is a region running on the same server as the robust on the internet not on your local network then external hostname should be SYSTEMIP
[11:35 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Internal 0.0.0.0
[11:35 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: hmm?? it should not be systemip.. depends on config
[11:36 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: In region.ini using ExternalHostName = galacticvirtual.world
[11:36 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: it should be the world visible ip
[11:36 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was about to mention those items. ExternalHostName can also be a fixed IP but it must be the one known to the outside world for your corner of the net.
[11:36 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: galacticvirtual.world is a host ??
[11:36 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: It resolves to an IP address.
[11:36 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: That is the domain name for the server.
[11:37 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: seems i have ping to it :)
[11:37 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: You only need to use the hostname for the gridcommon, the region config should be just at systemip, which expands to the public interface ip
[11:37 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: You only set those things manually when the region runs behind NAT
[11:37 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Yes, the web page works fine, I expect ping to work.
[11:37 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Do you port forwarding set up correctly in your firewall/router config for the public port?
[11:38 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well we do assume all use NAT this days :p
[11:38 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: It is a server in Contabo's New Jersey server farm.
[11:38 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: systemip will only work on a few cases
[11:38 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Sure. I'm just trying to cover all the bases.
[11:38 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: perhaps sendmail install did something with IP configs, or a process that uses a needed port, just a guess
[11:38 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Did I plug it in? I count on Cotabo to do that!
[11:39 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: The other day someone had trouble with a program that wasn't communicating with an external device. After some checking it turned out the external device wasn't turned on. :)
[11:39 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I tried moving all the ports from 800* to 900*, did not help.
[11:39 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I wouldn't count on Contabo, but if others can connect just fine then the question is what difference is
[11:39 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Did you just test HG or local logins as well?
[11:39 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well to do that, you need to change router fw also
[11:40 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: port forward i mean
[11:40 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I just tested local logins, haven't HGed in a few days, assume that still works.
[11:40 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: strange why hg works..
[11:40 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: And others can login and HG, just not yourself?
[11:41 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: The router? The one at Contabo that I have no access to? You say I need to change that?
[11:41 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well the router needs to do port fowards..
[11:41 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: but HG also needs those.. so...  no ida
[11:41 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It has no router it's just connected to the net directly if it's a cloud server
[11:42 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: or idea
[11:42 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I'm hoping for suggestions on what to try next... or that someone had this problem and just knew what to do ... :(
[11:42 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Change the external hostname of the region back to SYSTEMIP, make sure the Internal one is set to all zeros
[11:43 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Avoid using ssl in the gridcommon for the region
[11:43 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you are hosting the worlds on your own equipment at your place?
[11:43 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Heres more of the Region.ini
[11:43 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: InternalAddress = 0.0.0.0
InternalPort = 8022
AllowAlternatePorts = False
ExternalHostName = galacticvirtual.world
[11:43 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Removing variables here, re-add the grid in the viewer without ssl first and see if that works, then go from there
[11:43 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the only time I had that login issue was due to reasons Vincent mentioned
[11:44 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but very odd that yours would jusr appear with no changes
[11:44 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: what is you grid port?
[11:44 AM PT]  Jagga Meredith: you sure about that internal address?
[11:44 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: login port
[11:44 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Grid port is 8002, I tried switching to 9002 in case of conflict, neither worked
[11:45 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: possible that sendmail changed firewall rules?
[11:45 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I administrate 5 grids, one of which is local for testing, so I like to think I know how to get those working by now :)
[11:45 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I have since disabled the firewall, that did not help
[11:45 AM PT]  Lyr Lobo smiles at Vincent
[11:46 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I have not had the best experience with Contabo so who knows if it's not on them, but it probably has to do with the config working once and it caching and now the cache ran out
[11:46 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I would try to capture the console log for the failed login and post that
[11:46 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As you know Windows doesn't obey TTL times for DNS either so potential something got messed up there, though that seems unlikely here
[11:47 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I have two other little grids on contabo servers, they are both still working fine.
[11:47 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I assume you rebooted:)
[11:47 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Removing potential points of failure returning to recommended configuration and plain http would be first start
[11:47 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: hmm i got no response to login
[11:47 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: This is all I see on the region console during a failure:
[11:47 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: 13:16:09 - [AGENT HANDLER]: QueryAccess returned True (). Version=0, 0.8/0.8
13:16:09 - [SCENE]: Region Galactic told of incoming root agent Kayaker Magic f498fc9d-cfe4-4682-b21d-d073c9ca22f0 (circuit code 181376292, IP 24.5.21.80, viewer Firestorm-Releasex64 6.6.14.69596, teleportflags (ViaLogin, ViaRegionID), position .
13:16:09 - [SCENE Galactic]: authorized child agent Kayaker Magic f498fc9d-cfe4-4682-b21d-d073c9ca22f0 (circuit code 181376292)
13:16:09 - [CreateCaps]: new caps agent f498fc9d-cfe4-4682-b21d-d073c9ca22f0, circuit 181376292, path 0aaecb34-93b1-4727-867d-d47332b93f16
13:16:09 - [EVENTQUEUE]: Found Existing UUID!
13:16:10 - [CAPS]: Received SEED caps request in Galactic for agent f498fc9d-cfe4-4682-b21d-d073c9ca22f0
13:16:10 - [SCENE]: Incoming client Kayaker Magic in region Galactic via regular login. Client IP verification not performed.
[11:48 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: "Client IP verification not performed." is normal for local login
[11:48 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I tried asking for more detail in the log by changing OpenSim.exe.config, but it did not add any more information to this part of the log.
[11:50 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: same viewer before/after problem started?
[11:50 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: sounds like no UDP
[11:50 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Hmm, how can I test UDP?
[11:50 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: possible the router is letting thru TCP but not UDP?
[11:50 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Few more things to try, restart the region, clear presence table, remove the service urls from UserAccounts table for your account, make sure to login to a specific region from the viewer login screen.
[11:51 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If it was specifically blocking on firewall or anti ddos level then nothing would get through. Just blocking udp traffic to a port would prevent everyone from going there, not just him
[11:51 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I've restarted the region 1000 times, robust as well, rebooted the server...
[11:52 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Have you changed to a different viewer?
[11:52 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I updated my viewer, same problem.
[11:53 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: If UDP was blocked, whouldn't it block HG visitors?
[11:53 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yes
[11:53 AM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was wondering if the problem started after a change in viewer.
[11:53 AM PT]  Kayaker Magic: So UDP is working
[11:54 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The found existing uuid part isn't normal that suggests stuck on the region
[11:55 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Make sure your presence table isn't stuck, region console show users should also not list you as already there
[11:57 AM PT]  Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a great week yall
[11:57 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: agree, the next lines after "...verification not performed" should be "[LLUDPSERVER]: Handling UseCircuitCode request..." and "[SCENE]: Adding new child..."
[11:58 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: well seems viewers are told to send udp to poer 127.0.0.1
[11:58 AM PT]  Ubit Umarov: think that will not work well
[11:58 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: how does one check if the presence table is stuck?
[11:58 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Entries with region uuid as null keys is one way
[11:59 AM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: just delete the bad records and reboot?
[11:59 AM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: No need to reboot robust, but the region if it also still shows an agent there or kick user
[12:00 PM PT]  Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all
[12:00 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: if the server thiks someone is already logged on wouldn;t a new login request just log both out?
[12:01 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Removing the service urls might also help depending on whether they are wrong, with testing setups you may change hostnames and then those entries no longer work correctly. They are set on first login and after that don't really update
[12:02 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I had that issue once long time ago, clearing service URLs to log in
[12:02 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: It it thought someone was already logged in it would tell you that.
[12:03 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's also supposed to clear the old presence out, which... yeah sometimes doesn't work
[12:03 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ok abotu kayaker  issue
[12:03 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: his robust is teling viewers that the sim ip is 127.0.0.1
[12:03 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ...
[12:03 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: 
                        sim_ip
                        
                            127.0.0.1
                        
                    
...
[12:04 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Probably because to it the hostname he put there is localhost
[12:04 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Cause it's you know the same machine
[12:04 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: sim_ip is the external hostname, it needs to point to the server hence SYSTEMIP should be used or the actual IP of the server/network
[12:05 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: where is that 127.0.0.1 coming from? region configs or service url?
[12:05 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: robust is getting it wrong somehow
[12:06 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If you set a servers hostname to a domain and then ping that you can see it pings itself cause the network manager knows that the hostname is just the local machine aka 127.0.0.1
[12:06 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: it is giving the correct urls
[12:06 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: guess robust thinks galatic is 127.0.0.1 ?
[12:07 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Restarting with the IP instead of domain name in Regions.ini
[12:07 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: is it up?
[12:07 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:08 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: yews
[12:08 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: And it seems to be working!
[12:08 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Yay !!! ~o.0~
[12:08 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: yeap worked
[12:08 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: WhEW!
[12:08 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Why did it work last week, but failed this week?
[12:08 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Why was this change necessary?
[12:09 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: you have something telling robust that galactic is 127.0.01
[12:09 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: sendmail did it?
[12:09 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: thats what i thinking ubit
[12:09 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: check machine network config like host file
[12:09 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: /etc/hosts?
[12:09 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: ok i need go rl
[12:09 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: have fun ppl :)
[12:10 PM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Laterz, Ubit
[12:10 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: tc Ubit
[12:10 PM PT]  Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: bye ubit
[12:10 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Yeah, when I told sendmail my host was named galactic, it must have added this line:
[12:11 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: 127.0.0.1    localhost galacticvirtual.world
127.0.1.1    vmi1308259.contaboserver.net    vmi1308259
[12:11 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: in /etc/hosts
[12:11 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: that is it  .. BAD ;(
[12:11 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: :)
[12:11 PM PT]  Ubit Umarov: fix that
[12:11 PM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Sendmail has a bad habit of "owning the machine" from way back
[12:11 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: makes no sense for sendmail either
[12:12 PM PT]  Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: take care all, I'm heading out :) have a great day
[12:12 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: WHEW! Well thanks guys! The grid will be back up!!!!!
[12:13 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: awesome!
[12:13 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga. See ou next time.
[12:14 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: We are a quarter past the hour. Any last minute items for today?
[12:14 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Nope!
[12:14 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Thanks again everyone for all the suggestions!
[12:15 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: (especially the one that worked!)
[12:15 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: LOL
[12:15 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: What was the suggestion that worked?
[12:15 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Replace the domain name in the Region.ini with the IP address
[12:16 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Or whack out that line sendmail put in /etc/hosts
[12:16 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: fixing /etc/hosts line right?
[12:16 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok. That is one of the suggestions I mentioned. It sounds like your internal and external name servers aren't in sync.
[12:17 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: I haven't addressed the /etc/hosts file yet, but that CAUSED the problem. Changing the Region.ini worked around it.
[12:18 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Easiest to just change that to SYSTEMIP since that should always expand to the public ip of the server
[12:18 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Only behind NAT you need to set it manually as SYSTEMIP there would refer to the local IP within the network
[12:18 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That's why we have internal and external ones
[12:18 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: That will only work if the systems IP is the IP known to the outside world.
[12:20 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It's the IP known to the machine on what the next network layer knows it as, meaning a server on the internet it will be the public IP address of that server. When you move a layer down behind NAT SYSTEMIP becomes the local address like 192.168.1.5
[12:20 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That is when you need to specify the external hostname as the IP of the router/modem to properly route through the layer
[12:20 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks nods
[12:21 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: On a server you don't need the internal one so it can be 0.0.0.0, but behind NAT it must be set to the IP within the local network so it can route from the external to the internal
[12:22 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, is the domain name in an /etc/hosts file using the local LAN IP address of the server rather than the IP address that needs to be used by the outside world?
[12:22 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: There should not be a hostname in the hosts file at all 127.0.0.1 should be localhost and nothing else
[12:23 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: It was changed to the domain name, which apparently translated the domain name into 127.0.0.1 and sent that to the viewer.
[12:23 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Applications that retrieve hostnames should fetch that either through their respective configs or pull it from the hostname directly
[12:23 PM PT]  Tess JL: I better go now. Have a great day everybody
[12:23 PM PT]  Jagga Meredith: OK that answers my question
[12:23 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, but he could have an entry with the local IP address for the domain name.
[12:23 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Tess. Thanks for dropping by.
[12:23 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: you too tess!
[12:23 PM PT]  Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Take care everyone.. RL calls
[12:24 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Motoko. See you another time.
[12:24 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: It is almost time to wrap up todays meeting.
[12:24 PM PT]  Lyr Lobo: Thank you! *smiles*
[12:24 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: hosts works similar like it does on windows, so putting external ip and hostname in there has basically no effect and would only do anything if the server lost internet connection
[12:24 PM PT]  Lyr Lobo: Heya MC!
[12:25 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Otherwise the network manager caches the dns information that the hostname points to the ip and recognizes it's local so just does loopback so to speak
[12:25 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Instead of routing over the router for example
[12:25 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Since it knows where you want to go
[12:25 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Setting the hostname has the same effect
[12:26 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hey Lyr!
[12:26 PM PT]  Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: If you want to permanently set the hostname you'd edit the hostname file not hosts
[12:26 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: sorry bouncing between screens and keep having to scroll up lol
[12:27 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: this isnt the new identity for the school, still trying to decide on name convention to use lol
[12:27 PM PT]  Lyr Lobo: Have a great day
[12:27 PM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: See everyone lnext week
[12:27 PM PT]  Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com: Peace
[12:28 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Buy all! And thanks again!
[12:28 PM PT]  Kayaker Magic: Off to restart the grid!
[12:28 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Kayaker. Glad you got your problem sorted.
[12:29 PM PT]  Andrew Hellershanks: With that I will close todays meeting. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.
[12:29 PM PT]  MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye!
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