Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19

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<br> [11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
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<br> [11:02]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi
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[11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
<br> [11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh. hi neb. your wheels are stolenm
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[11:02]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi
<br> [11:02]  Kayaker Magic: I see the wheels
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[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh. hi neb. your wheels are stolenm
<br> [11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, then the mesh errors are the wheels
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[11:02]  Kayaker Magic: I see the wheels
<br> [11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: don't load here
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[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, then the mesh errors are the wheels
<br> [11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: probably your cache
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[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: don't load here
<br> [11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I see them
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[11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: probably your cache
<br> [11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: grid -> wright -> sandbox -> wright where my route today
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[11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I see them
<br> [11:03]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I see them
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[11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: grid -> wright -> sandbox -> wright where my route today
<br> [11:04]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[11:03]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I see them
<br> [11:04]  McLaren MP4-12C v1.41: BURNOUT
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[11:04]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
<br> [11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:04]  McLaren MP4-12C v1.41: BURNOUT
<br> [11:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 coughs
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[11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:05]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: didn't your mother ever tell you to play with your motorized toys outdoors, Neb?
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[11:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 coughs
<br> [11:05]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:05]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: didn't your mother ever tell you to play with your motorized toys outdoors, Neb?
<br> [11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:05]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: graphics preference changes crashed the viewer
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[11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but still no wheels
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[11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: graphics preference changes crashed the viewer
<br> [11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: wow. It seems very laggy here
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[11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but still no wheels
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd
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[11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: wow. It seems very laggy here
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lower draw distance a bit here
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: might help
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lower draw distance a bit here
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: very congested area :)
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: might help
<br> [11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Not so weird. very old bug/problem with opensim and mesh + teleporting
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: very congested area :)
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
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[11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Not so weird. very old bug/problem with opensim and mesh + teleporting
<br> [11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm already at 64m draw distance
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
<br> [11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: problem is only why ?
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[11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm already at 64m draw distance
<br> [11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: usually i only experience that when i have similar content on the 2 grids
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[11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: problem is only why ?
<br> [11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: from what I hear its a viewer problem
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[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: usually i only experience that when i have similar content on the 2 grids
<br> [11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe only Singularity / Replex issue
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[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: from what I hear its a viewer problem
<br> [11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, thats my default this days 64meters. for some reason higher makes it less smooth
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[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe only Singularity / Replex issue
<br> [11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey..
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[11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, thats my default this days 64meters. for some reason higher makes it less smooth
<br> [11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of car
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[11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey..
<br> [11:07]  Kayaker Magic: I saw the whole car right after I first got here. No problems
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[11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of car
<br> [11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe never finished rezzing?
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[11:07]  Kayaker Magic: I saw the whole car right after I first got here. No problems
<br> [11:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah
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[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe never finished rezzing?
<br> [11:08]  Entering god mode, level 255
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[11:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah
<br> [11:09]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: no Justin today?
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[11:08]  Entering god mode, level 255
<br> [11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not sure
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[11:09]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: no Justin today?
<br> [11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so far no, he is not on skype
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[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not sure
<br> [11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though he hasnt been on skype for many weeks
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[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so far no, he is not on skype
<br> [11:09]  vegaslon plutonian is reminded to get on skype to see if any messages
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[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though he hasnt been on skype for many weeks
<br> [11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: just tested movement with parameters fast and not_at_target. but it dont move smooth and get steady interupted :( so no smooth movement
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[11:09]  vegaslon plutonian is reminded to get on skype to see if any messages
<br> [11:10]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I log into skype about once every 3 months lol
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[11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: just tested movement with parameters fast and not_at_target. but it dont move smooth and get steady interupted :( so no smooth movement
<br> [11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hehe
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[11:10]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I log into skype about once every 3 months lol
<br> [11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Ketframemotion is not reliable enough or its opensim LSL.
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[11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hehe
<br> [11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I dont have any expereience with Keyframe motion
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[11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Ketframemotion is not reliable enough or its opensim LSL.
<br> [11:12]  Ci Sense: oooh it's a motor show ... hi all
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[11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I dont have any expereience with Keyframe motion
<br> [11:12]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: me either, but I have some physical thingies that move very well
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[11:12]  Ci Sense: oooh it's a motor show ... hi all
<br> [11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I should probably try it out one of these days
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[11:12]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: me either, but I have some physical thingies that move very well
<br> [11:12]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: can anyone shed any light on HG IM issues were someone can IM you from another grid but when you attempt to respond it bounces back with "user offline", yet if I then tp to a different region in RG I can then respond
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[11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I should probably try it out one of these days
<br> [11:12]  vegaslon plutonian: find smooth is a relative thing, the same thing will be jerky one day and smooth the next
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[11:12]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: can anyone shed any light on HG IM issues were someone can IM you from another grid but when you attempt to respond it bounces back with "user offline", yet if I then tp to a different region in RG I can then respond
<br> [11:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it works good / fine if you dont do complex things.
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[11:12]  vegaslon plutonian: find smooth is a relative thing, the same thing will be jerky one day and smooth the next
<br> [11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: any news about the HG offlineIM ?
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[11:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it works good / fine if you dont do complex things.
<br> [11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks wonders what the sort of orangey pyramid is for near the back end of the car
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[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: any news about the HG offlineIM ?
<br> [11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew mesh error = not loading
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[11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks wonders what the sort of orangey pyramid is for near the back end of the car
<br> [11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i see 4 of them
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[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew mesh error = not loading
<br> [11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I have not heard anything Richardus
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[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i see 4 of them
<br> [11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok
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[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I have not heard anything Richardus
<br> [11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though I havent had any time to really follow up with it
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[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok
<br> [11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah, now I see a ton of them
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[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though I havent had any time to really follow up with it
<br> [11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: click the car and possible you get 4
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[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah, now I see a ton of them
<br> [11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: a ton ?
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[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: click the car and possible you get 4
<br> [11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: /eep
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[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: a ton ?
<br> [11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: 20 or more as a guess? I didn't have time to count them before they disappeared again
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[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: /eep
<br> [11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea cache gets wierd some times
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[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: 20 or more as a guess? I didn't have time to count them before they disappeared again
<br> [11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_001.png
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[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea cache gets wierd some times
<br> [11:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, happened again. Count was closer to 40
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[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_001.png
<br> [11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_002.png
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[11:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, happened again. Count was closer to 40
<br> [11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_003.png
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[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_002.png
<br> [11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_004.png
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[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_003.png
<br> [11:15]  Hiro Protagonist: o/
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[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_004.png
<br> [11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to take a copy
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[11:15]  Hiro Protagonist: o/
<br> [11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im not quite done with it yet
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[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to take a copy
<br> [11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but it works pretty good
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[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im not quite done with it yet
<br> [11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: whats cool is the tires
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[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but it works pretty good
<br> [11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: Phew. Just remembered I'm supposed to be bidding on an eBay item. Still 16 minutes left to go so I haven't lost out (yet)
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[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: whats cool is the tires
<br> [11:16]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: Phew. Just remembered I'm supposed to be bidding on an eBay item. Still 16 minutes left to go so I haven't lost out (yet)
<br> [11:16]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: \&
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[11:16]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
<br> [11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of the main body. No tires
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[11:16]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: \&
<br> [11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: mesh tires that actually spin
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[11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of the main body. No tires
<br> [11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as they turn too
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[11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: mesh tires that actually spin
<br> [11:17]  Ci Sense: looks road worthy to me
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[11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as they turn too
<br> [11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: how do you drive from the backseat :P :)
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[11:17]  Ci Sense: looks road worthy to me
<br> [11:17]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: how do you drive from the backseat :P :)
<br> [11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea needs a little work still
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[11:17]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:18]  Ci Sense: does it come in OSG yellow?
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[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea needs a little work still
<br> [11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:18]  Ci Sense: does it come in OSG yellow?
<br> [11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to make it any color you want
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[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:19]  vegaslon plutonian: that using materials for shine?
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[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to make it any color you want
<br> [11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: nothing fancy though
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[11:19]  vegaslon plutonian: that using materials for shine?
<br> [11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi robert
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[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: nothing fancy though
<br> [11:19]  Ci Sense: nice respray
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[11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi robert
<br> [11:19]  Basil Sosides: good Evening all
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[11:19]  Ci Sense: nice respray
<br> [11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
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[11:19]  Basil Sosides: good Evening all
<br> [11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its just a solid white texture
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[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
<br> [11:19]  Robert Adams: hello all
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[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its just a solid white texture
<br> [11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Robert
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[11:19]  Robert Adams: hello all
<br> [11:20]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: hi Robert
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[11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Robert
<br> [11:20]  Ci Sense: I see it has GPS too ... HG enabled?
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[11:20]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: hi Robert
<br> [11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:20]  Ci Sense: I see it has GPS too ... HG enabled?
<br> [11:21]  valerie llauke: grrrr lost all of myself ..
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[11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:22]  vegaslon plutonian: that would be kind of cool, a car that when you get going fast enough it teleports you
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[11:21]  valerie llauke: grrrr lost all of myself ..
<br> [11:23]  Chris Small: Anyone else feeling this lag?
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[11:22]  vegaslon plutonian: that would be kind of cool, a car that when you get going fast enough it teleports you
<br> [11:23]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was Chris.
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[11:23]  Chris Small: Anyone else feeling this lag?
<br> [11:23]  Chris Small: Apparently misogyny is illegal. I wonder what bitches pushed that law through.
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[11:23]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was Chris.
<br> [11:23]  Basil Sosides: yes
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[11:23]  Chris Small: Apparently misogyny is illegal. I wonder what bitches pushed that law through.
<br> [11:23]  Ci Sense: chat lag, yes
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[11:23]  Basil Sosides: yes
<br> [11:23]  valerie llauke: yes
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[11:23]  Ci Sense: chat lag, yes
<br> [11:23]  Robert Adams: My chat is very laggy but I presumed it was my network connection
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[11:23]  valerie llauke: yes
<br> [11:23]  Dahlia Trimble: lol cant move
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[11:23]  Robert Adams: My chat is very laggy but I presumed it was my network connection
<br> [11:24]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        6a48c87: 2015-05-13 15:59:58 -0700 (Unix/Mono)
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[11:23]  Dahlia Trimble: lol cant move
<br> [11:24]  Chris Small: Seems to be taking me time to move as well. Though my internet is fine, 72mbps download.
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[11:24]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        6a48c87: 2015-05-13 15:59:58 -0700 (Unix/Mono)
<br> [11:24]  valerie llauke: i see no buildings
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[11:24]  Chris Small: Seems to be taking me time to move as well. Though my internet is fine, 72mbps download.
<br> [11:24]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya
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[11:24]  valerie llauke: i see no buildings
<br> [11:24]  valerie llauke: when i cant move .. i just dont
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[11:24]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya
<br> [11:25]  valerie llauke: :P
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[11:24]  valerie llauke: when i cant move .. i just dont
<br> [11:25]  Robert Adams: I can't move either
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[11:25]  valerie llauke: :P
<br> [11:25]  Chris Small: Its this region specifically (or estate)
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[11:25]  Robert Adams: I can't move either
<br> [11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: Must be the place. My frame rate is only about 36fps
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[11:25]  Chris Small: Its this region specifically (or estate)
<br> [11:25]  Ci Sense: sim FPS is about 10 .. no way it will be enough for a VR set
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[11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: Must be the place. My frame rate is only about 36fps
<br> [11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: frozen too
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[11:25]  Ci Sense: sim FPS is about 10 .. no way it will be enough for a VR set
<br> [11:25]  Sarah Kline: its my hair
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[11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: frozen too
<br> [11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd console looks ok
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[11:25]  Sarah Kline: its my hair
<br> [11:25]  Hiro Protagonist: I seem stuck too
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[11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd console looks ok
<br> [11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: laggy now
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[11:25]  Hiro Protagonist: I seem stuck too
<br> [11:25]  Chris Small: Was fine yesterday. Maybe it's having issues or could just use a good restart.
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[11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: laggy now
<br> [11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey some bad connection problem ?
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[11:25]  Chris Small: Was fine yesterday. Maybe it's having issues or could just use a good restart.
<br> [11:26]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey some bad connection problem ?
<br> [11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Neb, if you have access to console do a check for reams and reams of resends
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[11:26]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
<br> [11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sim fps is very low neb
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[11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Neb, if you have access to console do a check for reams and reams of resends
<br> [11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya threads or something
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[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sim fps is very low neb
<br> [11:26]  Hiro Protagonist: no guess it was laggage
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[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya threads or something
<br> [11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: this is exactly the issue we've been reporting where a single latent viewer will be able to kill a region
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[11:26]  Hiro Protagonist: no guess it was laggage
<br> [11:26]  Chris Small: I dont see why itwould screw up overnight
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[11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: this is exactly the issue we've been reporting where a single latent viewer will be able to kill a region
<br> [11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well it came back
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[11:26]  Chris Small: I dont see why itwould screw up overnight
<br> [11:26]  Ci Sense: will OpenSim run at 60/90 fps?
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[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well it came back
<br> [11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: no errors
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[11:26]  Ci Sense: will OpenSim run at 60/90 fps?
<br> [11:26]  Chris Small: Ah
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[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: no errors
<br> [11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i did see a single thread time out
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[11:26]  Chris Small: Ah
<br> [11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: physics same it wherre just 5fps. now back to 11
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[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i did see a single thread time out
<br> [11:26]  valerie llauke: waves hello to everyone
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[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: physics same it wherre just 5fps. now back to 11
<br> [11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 3 fps
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[11:26]  valerie llauke: waves hello to everyone
<br> [11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh just saw a bunch more now
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[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 3 fps
<br> [11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: stats look terrible
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[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh just saw a bunch more now
<br> [11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: and 7fps
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[11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: stats look terrible
<br> [11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: That's what i where hoping you would say aine
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[11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: and 7fps
<br> [11:27]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: we captured lots of data on if and sent it to Justin a few months ago
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[11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: That's what i where hoping you would say aine
<br> [11:27]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:27]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: we captured lots of data on if and sent it to Justin a few months ago
<br> [11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: time dilation should go down when physics fps goes down yet it stays at 1.0
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[11:27]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:28]  valerie llauke: is it me?
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[11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: time dilation should go down when physics fps goes down yet it stays at 1.0
<br> [11:28]  Robert Adams: wonder if we'll see Justin back sometime
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[11:28]  valerie llauke: is it me?
<br> [11:28]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: if whoever's viewer is latent stays, the sim will eventually hit a point where it is so overwhelmed with resends that it kicks eveyrone
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[11:28]  Robert Adams: wonder if we'll see Justin back sometime
<br> [11:29]  Hiro Protagonist: if that is going to happen, we want it to happen now
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[11:28]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: if whoever's viewer is latent stays, the sim will eventually hit a point where it is so overwhelmed with resends that it kicks eveyrone
<br> [11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: do a check of resends and unackb for users in the region
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[11:29]  Hiro Protagonist: if that is going to happen, we want it to happen now
<br> [11:29]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: looking at the stats no one is standing out
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[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: do a check of resends and unackb for users in the region
<br> [11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: one will have very, very high numbers
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[11:29]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: looking at the stats no one is standing out
<br> [11:29]  Chris Small: Is it me or is the chat skipping more than it should...
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[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: one will have very, very high numbers
<br> [11:29]  Andrew Hellershanks: How can you determine which viewer is causing the problem?
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[11:29]  Chris Small: Is it me or is the chat skipping more than it should...
<br> [11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: in the oder of 5k+ per minute they've been here
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[11:29]  Andrew Hellershanks: How can you determine which viewer is causing the problem?
<br> [11:29]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: in the oder of 5k+ per minute they've been here
<br> [11:29]  vegaslon plutonian: know you can bring a server to its knees using the world map, but it does recover eventually if you stop
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[11:29]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
<br> [11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I probably should have restarted the region before the meeting
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[11:29]  vegaslon plutonian: know you can bring a server to its knees using the world map, but it does recover eventually if you stop
<br> [11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its using a lot of memory
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[11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I probably should have restarted the region before the meeting
<br> [11:31]  Chris Small: Is anyone here from the US able to check out my region for me? I just want to see how well a UK based server works.
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[11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its using a lot of memory
<br> [11:31]  Dahlia Trimble: I fixed the map thing by increasing MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU
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[11:31]  Chris Small: Is anyone here from the US able to check out my region for me? I just want to see how well a UK based server works.
<br> [11:31]  Robert Adams: the console can display the output queues I think
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[11:31]  Dahlia Trimble: I fixed the map thing by increasing MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU
<br> [11:31]  valerie llauke: wonders why the mettings are in such a heavy spot anyhoo
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[11:31]  Robert Adams: the console can display the output queues I think
<br> [11:31]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:31]  valerie llauke: wonders why the mettings are in such a heavy spot anyhoo
<br> [11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im restarting some of the other regions
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[11:31]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i think box was swapping
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[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im restarting some of the other regions
<br> [11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: why it got slow
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[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i think box was swapping
<br> [11:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: htop could tell you if its using swap.
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[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: why it got slow
<br> [11:32]  Ci Sense wonders if the 34,811 objects in this region may be responsible
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[11:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: htop could tell you if its using swap.
<br> [11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[11:32]  Ci Sense wonders if the 34,811 objects in this region may be responsible
<br> [11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nah, only 34K :)
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[11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
<br> [11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Ci, it is usually better than it is now
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[11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nah, only 34K :)
<br> [11:32]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont have swap on my servers
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[11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Ci, it is usually better than it is now
<br> [11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:32]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont have swap on my servers
<br> [11:32]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: this region is using a ton of memory
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[11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:33]  Robert Adams: some people have complained about crashes after running for awhile.... do we have a memory leak?
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[11:32]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: this region is using a ton of memory
<br> [11:33]  Chris Small: 34k is roughly a 2 to 3gb ram server isnt it?
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[11:33]  Robert Adams: some people have complained about crashes after running for awhile.... do we have a memory leak?
<br> [11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
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[11:33]  Chris Small: 34k is roughly a 2 to 3gb ram server isnt it?
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[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
 
Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
 
Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
 
Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
 
Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
 
Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
 
Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
 
Process memory : 7352 MB
 
Process memory : 7352 MB
<br> [11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
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[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
<br> [11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
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[11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
<br> [11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
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[11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
<br> [11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
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[11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
<br> [11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
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[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
<br> [11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
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[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
<br> [11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
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[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
<br> [11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
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[11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
<br> [11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
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[11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
<br> [11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
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[11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
<br> [11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
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[11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
<br> [11:40]  Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
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[11:40]  Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
<br> [11:40]  Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
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[11:40]  Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
<br> [11:40]  Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
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[11:40]  Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
<br> [11:40]  Process memory : 7352 MB
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[11:40]  Process memory : 7352 MB
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Basil Sosides: not all
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Basil Sosides: not all
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist: yer killin me smalls :p
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist: yer killin me smalls :p
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: .
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: .
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe I should restart it we could relog?
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe I should restart it we could relog?
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: chat messages transposed
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: chat messages transposed
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: let me restart it come back in like 5 minutes?
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: let me restart it come back in like 5 minutes?
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: CHAT LAG!
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: CHAT LAG!
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Andrew Hellershanks: sim fps went up slightly with the car bone
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Andrew Hellershanks: sim fps went up slightly with the car bone
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist is bailin'
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist is bailin'
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Chris Small: Anyone messed with breedable pets yet?
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Chris Small: Anyone messed with breedable pets yet?
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok see you in 5
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok see you in 5
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:35]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
<br> [11:40]  <br> [2015/05/19 11:36]  Connected
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[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:36]  Connected
<br> [11:40]  RegionReady v4: Region Ready Processed on Teravus Plaza @ 2015-05-19T18:36:02.7986050Z UTC
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[11:40]  RegionReady v4: Region Ready Processed on Teravus Plaza @ 2015-05-19T18:36:02.7986050Z UTC
<br> [11:40]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
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[11:40]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
<br> [11:40]  Connected
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[11:40]  Connected
<br> [11:41]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
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[11:41]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
<br> [11:41]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
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[11:41]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
<br> [11:41]  Connected
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[11:41]  Connected
<br> [11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: much betta
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[11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: much betta
<br> [11:41]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hi
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[11:41]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hi
<br> [11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
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[11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
<br> [11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: everyone logging in at once
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[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: everyone logging in at once
<br> [11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: little laggy
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[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: little laggy
<br> [11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory is a lot better now
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[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory is a lot better now
<br> [11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I forgot to restart it before meeting
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[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I forgot to restart it before meeting
<br> [11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yeah, if we had a way to separate transient scripts from the main appdomain it would be better for high traffic areas
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[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yeah, if we had a way to separate transient scripts from the main appdomain it would be better for high traffic areas
<br> [11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: The region feels a lot better now
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[11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: The region feels a lot better now
<br> [11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: something wrong on wright, crashed again. and it's laggy for eme right now
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[11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: something wrong on wright, crashed again. and it's laggy for eme right now
<br> [11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
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[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
<br> [11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Justin was talking about giving each avatar their own appdomain
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[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Justin was talking about giving each avatar their own appdomain
<br> [11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and then killing it once they leave
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[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and then killing it once they leave
<br> [11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yes
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[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yes
<br> [11:43]  BlueWall Slade: that is a good solution
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[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: that is a good solution
<br> [11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dang, I'm annoyed that I missed putting in another bid on the item due to being distracted by the meeting. :P
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[11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dang, I'm annoyed that I missed putting in another bid on the item due to being distracted by the meeting. :P
<br> [11:44]  valerie llauke: wb everyone
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[11:44]  valerie llauke: wb everyone
<br> [11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so now that we can chat normally again
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[11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so now that we can chat normally again
<br> [11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: was there anything else anyone wanted to talk about?
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[11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: was there anything else anyone wanted to talk about?
<br> [11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Has anyone experienced issues with particles in a var not working outside the root 256mx256m area of the var?
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[11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Has anyone experienced issues with particles in a var not working outside the root 256mx256m area of the var?
<br> [11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Not working properly.
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[11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Not working properly.
<br> [11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not that I recall
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[11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not that I recall
<br> [11:45]  valerie llauke: well talk .. i know 4 people whose avies borked and i keep losing skin and shape ... just and FYI .....
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[11:45]  valerie llauke: well talk .. i know 4 people whose avies borked and i keep losing skin and shape ... just and FYI .....
<br> [11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again I dont really recall trying Andrew
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[11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again I dont really recall trying Andrew
<br> [11:45]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nerver got to that point. as long im stuck with othger things andrew
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[11:45]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nerver got to that point. as long im stuck with othger things andrew
<br> [11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: they just dont work at all?
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[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: they just dont work at all?
<br> [11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I will have to test that
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[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I will have to test that
<br> [11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: would surprise me though
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[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: would surprise me though
<br> [11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: I see them work fine
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[11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: I see them work fine
<br> [11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because I know the partciles in the McLaren racer work fine
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[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because I know the partciles in the McLaren racer work fine
<br> [11:46]  valerie llauke: particle are fine on mine
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[11:46]  valerie llauke: particle are fine on mine
<br> [11:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, ok. I pointed out to someone that their candle effect didn't look good and that I had a better one. They said it starts out ok but deteriorates after a while in the var.
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[11:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, ok. I pointed out to someone that their candle effect didn't look good and that I had a better one. They said it starts out ok but deteriorates after a while in the var.
<br> [11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the burnout smoke works fine in all my vars
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[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the burnout smoke works fine in all my vars
<br> [11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: one of the first things I tested on a var
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[11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: one of the first things I tested on a var
<br> [11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that would be wierd Andrew
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[11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that would be wierd Andrew
<br> [11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless maybe its reliant on wind
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[11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless maybe its reliant on wind
<br> [11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, that's what I thought. I haven't confirmed it yet.
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[11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, that's what I thought. I haven't confirmed it yet.
<br> [11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: no, the particles were rising straight up
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[11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: no, the particles were rising straight up
<br> [11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again i dont know of any issues with wind if there are any in vars
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[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again i dont know of any issues with wind if there are any in vars
<br> [11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: I used to have trouble with particle limits in SL, you only get so many particles and other emitters can degrade your emitter
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[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: I used to have trouble with particle limits in SL, you only get so many particles and other emitters can degrade your emitter
<br> [11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya maybe its just the viewer
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[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya maybe its just the viewer
<br> [11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, That is more a viewer limitation.
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[11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, That is more a viewer limitation.
<br> [11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: perhaps having trouble rendering
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[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: perhaps having trouble rendering
<br> [11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as more stuff loads
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[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as more stuff loads
<br> [11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Upper limit is about 4,000 particles.
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[11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Upper limit is about 4,000 particles.
<br> [11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: so I'd think a long draw distance in a var with lots of emitters would screw things up
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[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: so I'd think a long draw distance in a var with lots of emitters would screw things up
<br> [11:48]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 4096
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[11:48]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 4096
<br> [11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but i cans et mine higher
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[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but i cans et mine higher
<br> [11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i think 8192 is max
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[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i think 8192 is max
<br> [11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yup. max for me is 8192
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[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yup. max for me is 8192
<br> [11:53]  Basil Sosides: FPS onBulletphysics, can we get some more ?
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[11:53]  Basil Sosides: FPS onBulletphysics, can we get some more ?
<br> [11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: sorry was afk phone
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[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: sorry was afk phone
<br> [11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you mean the 11fps?
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[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you mean the 11fps?
<br> [11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is being worked on
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[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is being worked on
<br> [11:53]  Basil Sosides: yes
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[11:53]  Basil Sosides: yes
<br> [11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its a fairly complex problem
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[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its a fairly complex problem
<br> [11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: do we need more?
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[11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: do we need more?
<br> [11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought that was just a case of real stats instead of the older ones.
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[11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought that was just a case of real stats instead of the older ones.
<br> [11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we need all the FPS's!!!
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[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we need all the FPS's!!!
<br> [11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea nothings changed in terms of performance
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[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea nothings changed in terms of performance
<br> [11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: before we were just multiplying the number
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[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: before we were just multiplying the number
<br> [11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: what should it be?
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[11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: what should it be?
<br> [11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 44 ?
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[11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 44 ?
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: right now the max is 11fps
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: right now the max is 11fps
<br> [11:55]  Basil Sosides: OK#
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[11:55]  Basil Sosides: OK#
<br> [11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought 11 was the proper number under the new stats.
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[11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought 11 was the proper number under the new stats.
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes
<br> [11:55]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: 11.3
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[11:55]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: 11.3
<br> [11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yes 11 is right for new stats
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[11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yes 11 is right for new stats
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only thing that kind of sucks about it now
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only thing that kind of sucks about it now
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is the viewers report that the simulators are running below optimial levels
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is the viewers report that the simulators are running below optimial levels
<br> [11:55]  vegaslon plutonian: veiwer lag meter always shows red for the server
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[11:55]  vegaslon plutonian: veiwer lag meter always shows red for the server
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i dont think it causes any problems
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i dont think it causes any problems
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya
<br> [11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you just get a warning
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[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you just get a warning
<br> [11:55]  BlueWall Slade: as I understand it, OpenSim does things differently also, so the frame rate is not the whole story.
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[11:55]  BlueWall Slade: as I understand it, OpenSim does things differently also, so the frame rate is not the whole story.
<br> [11:56]  Basil Sosides: why show the Singu Viewer on 0.8.1 50 FPS, not 11 ???
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[11:56]  Basil Sosides: why show the Singu Viewer on 0.8.1 50 FPS, not 11 ???
<br> [11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Like mpore things happen in a frame.
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[11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Like mpore things happen in a frame.
<br> [11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Not sure though.
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[11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Not sure though.
<br> [11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: basil, mine does
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[11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: basil, mine does
<br> [11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: basil maybe your looking at the GPU fps?
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[11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: basil maybe your looking at the GPU fps?
<br> [11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: for rendering?
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[11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: for rendering?
<br> [11:56]  Andrew Hellershanks didn't understand the question and how a program version related to the FPS number
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[11:56]  Andrew Hellershanks didn't understand the question and how a program version related to the FPS number
<br> [11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 1.8.6 ?
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[11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 1.8.6 ?
<br> [11:56]  Dahlia Trimble: Basil, viewer fps and sim fps and physics fps are all different things
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[11:56]  Dahlia Trimble: Basil, viewer fps and sim fps and physics fps are all different things
<br> [11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: The old stats used to show 53 or so FPS but the corrected stats will show 11.
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[11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: The old stats used to show 53 or so FPS but the corrected stats will show 11.
<br> [11:57]  Basil Sosides: i run two versions with Bullet, 0.8.1 shows 52 FPS, 0.8.2 11FPS
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[11:57]  Basil Sosides: i run two versions with Bullet, 0.8.1 shows 52 FPS, 0.8.2 11FPS
<br> [11:57]  Dahlia Trimble: 52 sounds low
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[11:57]  Dahlia Trimble: 52 sounds low
<br> [11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: 0.8.2 shows proper stats, not inflated ones as were shown before
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[11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: 0.8.2 shows proper stats, not inflated ones as were shown before
<br> [11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: but 11 is good
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[11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: but 11 is good
<br> [11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea it would have been 55fps
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[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea it would have been 55fps
<br> [11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, Phy FPS was always a little lower than Sim FPS
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[11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, Phy FPS was always a little lower than Sim FPS
<br> [11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: there is a refactoring in progress for how stats are gathered
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[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: there is a refactoring in progress for how stats are gathered
<br> [11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and possibly to see if these levels can indeed be increased
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[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and possibly to see if these levels can indeed be increased
<br> [11:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: not shocking lower
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[11:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: not shocking lower
<br> [11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: Andrew, I see 11.3 for physics and 11 for sim right now
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[11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: Andrew, I see 11.3 for physics and 11 for sim right now
<br> [11:59]  Andrew Hellershanks: Basil, you must have missed the mention of this in the release notes
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[11:59]  Andrew Hellershanks: Basil, you must have missed the mention of this in the release notes
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you run bulletsim in its own thread
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you run bulletsim in its own thread
<br> [11:59]  Basil Sosides: but its OK#, new Version is good at all
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[11:59]  Basil Sosides: but its OK#, new Version is good at all
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you wont get any proper fps
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you wont get any proper fps
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it will show 11 always
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it will show 11 always
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is also being worked on
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is also being worked on
<br> [11:59]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 11 oir lower
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[11:59]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 11 oir lower
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not if your running bullet in its own thread
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not if your running bullet in its own thread
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it wont ever go lower than 11
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it wont ever go lower than 11
<br> [11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because its not wired in
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[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because its not wired in
<br> [12:00]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm, oh. and why you not run it in own thread on wright ?
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[12:00]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm, oh. and why you not run it in own thread on wright ?
<br> [12:00]  Dahlia Trimble: I bet it will :)
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[12:00]  Dahlia Trimble: I bet it will :)
<br> [12:00]  vegaslon plutonian: see it go lower then 11 all the time
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[12:00]  vegaslon plutonian: see it go lower then 11 all the time
<br> [12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Diva was going to talke a look at that
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[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Diva was going to talke a look at that
<br> [12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well maybe it will if the sim heartbeat does
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[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well maybe it will if the sim heartbeat does
<br> [12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, ok. I'm seeing the same. Sim is 11 and Phys is bouncing around 11 give or take about 3 points
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[12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, ok. I'm seeing the same. Sim is 11 and Phys is bouncing around 11 give or take about 3 points
<br> [12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but its not actually becasue of physics
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[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but its not actually becasue of physics
<br> [12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only way to get proper physics stats right now is to not run bullet in its own thread
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[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only way to get proper physics stats right now is to not run bullet in its own thread
<br> [12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then of course peformance tanks
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[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then of course peformance tanks
<br> [12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its being worked on
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[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its being worked on
<br> [12:01]  Dahlia Trimble: 11 is the new 55 :)
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[12:01]  Dahlia Trimble: 11 is the new 55 :)
<br> [12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [12:01]  Basil Sosides: my Viewer shows me 11.3 FPS for Wright Plaza, so its Bullet here
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[12:01]  Basil Sosides: my Viewer shows me 11.3 FPS for Wright Plaza, so its Bullet here
<br> [12:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: Does the LSL script that gets FPS numbers return 11 or still returns the older 55 range number?
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[12:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: Does the LSL script that gets FPS numbers return 11 or still returns the older 55 range number?
<br> [12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes all the plazas are bullet
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[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes all the plazas are bullet
<br> [12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in their own thread
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[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in their own thread
<br> [12:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh
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[12:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh
<br> [12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the old number was 56.5 at max.....new number os 11.3
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[12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the old number was 56.5 at max.....new number os 11.3
<br> [12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the "fudge factor" was 5x
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[12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the "fudge factor" was 5x
<br> [12:02]  Basil Sosides: i think Bullet are modern Physics
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[12:02]  Basil Sosides: i think Bullet are modern Physics
<br> [12:02]  Basil Sosides: verry good
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[12:02]  Basil Sosides: verry good
<br> [12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea bullet is the best choice right now
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[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea bullet is the best choice right now
<br> [12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: likely will be for the forseeable future
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[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: likely will be for the forseeable future
<br> [12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: you know http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetObjectDetails have a few extra options in SL ?
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[12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: you know http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetObjectDetails have a few extra options in SL ?
<br> [12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wouldnt surprise me if ours isnt fully implemented Richardus
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[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wouldnt surprise me if ours isnt fully implemented Richardus
<br> [12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is there a mantis?
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[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is there a mantis?
<br> [12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT, OBJECT_HOVER_HEIGHT, OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE out of my mind
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[12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT, OBJECT_HOVER_HEIGHT, OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE out of my mind
<br> [12:03]  vegaslon plutonian: patches on the mantis for that
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[12:03]  vegaslon plutonian: patches on the mantis for that
<br> [12:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No, nebadon. i just remember it again
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[12:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No, nebadon. i just remember it again
<br> [12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: cool
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[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: cool
<br> [12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: what number vegaslon?
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[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: what number vegaslon?
<br> [12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: whole bunch of them
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[12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: whole bunch of them
<br> [12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh
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[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh
<br> [12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: new or old?
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[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: new or old?
<br> [12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: new
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[12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: new
<br> [12:04]  Dahlia Trimble: lol OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT
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[12:04]  Dahlia Trimble: lol OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT
<br> [12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok i'll take a look at those when i can
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[12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok i'll take a look at those when i can
<br> [12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless someone beats me to it :)
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[12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless someone beats me to it :)
<br> [12:06]  Dahlia Trimble: go for it! :D
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[12:06]  Dahlia Trimble: go for it! :D
<br> [12:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i cannot find the artifle with the list of new ones
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[12:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i cannot find the artifle with the list of new ones
<br> [12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I ran across some things missing from another LSL function. I've got a code change I haven't pushed yet.
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[12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I ran across some things missing from another LSL function. I've got a code change I haven't pushed yet.
<br> [12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: soon as I finish setting up my new phone
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[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: soon as I finish setting up my new phone
<br> [12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: upgraded from Galaxy Note 2 to Galaxy Note 4
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[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: upgraded from Galaxy Note 2 to Galaxy Note 4
<br> [12:07]  Dahlia Trimble: I have a very cheap and old android phone which works better than I need it to
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[12:07]  Dahlia Trimble: I have a very cheap and old android phone which works better than I need it to
<br> [12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: llGetEnv() can return values for a few strings which currently return just an empty string.
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[12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: llGetEnv() can return values for a few strings which currently return just an empty string.
<br> [12:07]  vegaslon plutonian: lol you already applied to patch nebadon
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[12:07]  vegaslon plutonian: lol you already applied to patch nebadon
<br> [12:07]  Sarah Kline: night all
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[12:07]  Sarah Kline: night all
<br> [12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: heh ya well if company wasnt getting me them id still be using my 19$ Wallgreens Nokia phone
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[12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: heh ya well if company wasnt getting me them id still be using my 19$ Wallgreens Nokia phone
<br> [12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [12:08]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont like newer smartphones, too much spyware for my taste
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[12:08]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont like newer smartphones, too much spyware for my taste
<br> [12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/sl-projects-updates-week-181-server-viewer/
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[12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/sl-projects-updates-week-181-server-viewer/
<br> [12:08]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Dev Random.....since you recently were looking at the code related to terrain, I don't suppose you might be able to locate where the terraforming tools were broken, would you?
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[12:08]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Dev Random.....since you recently were looking at the code related to terrain, I don't suppose you might be able to locate where the terraforming tools were broken, would you?
<br> [12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: llgetenv seems to have updates too
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[12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: llgetenv seems to have updates too
<br> [12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea i saw the patch for llgetenv
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[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea i saw the patch for llgetenv
<br> [12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i'll look at those later
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[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i'll look at those later
<br> [12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ok.
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[12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ok.
<br> [12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i dont use it. but before people start to scream.. :O
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[12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i dont use it. but before people start to scream.. :O
<br> [12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I didnt notice a patch for LlGetObjectDetails
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[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I didnt notice a patch for LlGetObjectDetails
<br> [12:10]  vegaslon plutonian: ya you already applied that patch
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[12:10]  vegaslon plutonian: ya you already applied that patch
<br> [12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh heh
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[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh heh
<br> [12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok
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[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok
<br> [12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh your right i sure did
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[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh your right i sure did
<br> [12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
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[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
<br> [12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Where is there a patch for llGetEnv?
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[12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Where is there a patch for llGetEnv?
<br> [12:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579
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[12:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579
<br> [12:12]  Basil Sosides: sometime Assets disapears
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[12:12]  Basil Sosides: sometime Assets disapears
<br> [12:12]  Basil Sosides: but not often
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[12:12]  Basil Sosides: but not often
<br> [12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: asset knomes
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[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: asset knomes
<br> [12:12]  Basil Sosides: yes
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[12:12]  Basil Sosides: yes
<br> [12:12]  Dahlia Trimble: bye all :)
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[12:12]  Dahlia Trimble: bye all :)
<br> [12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok. I would have called that variable RegionStartTime instead of UnixStartTime. That is one of the changes I realized is needed
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[12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok. I would have called that variable RegionStartTime instead of UnixStartTime. That is one of the changes I realized is needed
<br> [12:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: bye dahlia
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[12:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: bye dahlia
<br> [12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see you dahlia
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[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see you dahlia
<br> [12:12]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: bye dahlia
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[12:12]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: bye dahlia
<br> [12:12]  Basil Sosides: bye Dahlia
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[12:12]  Basil Sosides: bye Dahlia
<br> [12:12]  valerie llauke: bye dahlia
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[12:12]  valerie llauke: bye dahlia
<br> [12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Basil chances are when that happens
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[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Basil chances are when that happens
<br> [12:13]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: bye Dahlia
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[12:13]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: bye Dahlia
<br> [12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its likely some kind of threading issue at the simulator
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[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its likely some kind of threading issue at the simulator
<br> [12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hard to say though
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[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hard to say though
<br> [12:13]  Dev Random: Aine: The terrain code I was playing with is not related to the tools. My code was for manipulating the data from the console. I took a quick look at the tools, but didn't dig deep. Tough to find time outside RL work.
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[12:13]  Dev Random: Aine: The terrain code I was playing with is not related to the tools. My code was for manipulating the data from the console. I took a quick look at the tools, but didn't dig deep. Tough to find time outside RL work.
<br> [12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I need to get going myself, supposed to be meeting my sister shortly
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[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I need to get going myself, supposed to be meeting my sister shortly
<br> [12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: be back a bit later i will check out the llgetenv patch
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[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: be back a bit later i will check out the llgetenv patch
<br> [12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, someone only provided the llGetEnv patch today.
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[12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, someone only provided the llGetEnv patch today.
<br> [12:14]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[12:14]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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[[Category:Office Hour Logs]]

Latest revision as of 14:52, 25 October 2015

[11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
[11:02]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi
[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh. hi neb. your wheels are stolenm
[11:02]  Kayaker Magic: I see the wheels
[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, then the mesh errors are the wheels
[11:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: don't load here
[11:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: probably your cache
[11:03]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I see them
[11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: grid -> wright -> sandbox -> wright where my route today
[11:03]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I see them
[11:04]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[11:04]  McLaren MP4-12C v1.41: BURNOUT
[11:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 coughs
[11:05]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: didn't your mother ever tell you to play with your motorized toys outdoors, Neb?
[11:05]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: graphics preference changes crashed the viewer
[11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but still no wheels
[11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: wow. It seems very laggy here
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lower draw distance a bit here
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: might help
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: very congested area :)
[11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Not so weird. very old bug/problem with opensim and mesh + teleporting
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
[11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm already at 64m draw distance
[11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: problem is only why ?
[11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: usually i only experience that when i have similar content on the 2 grids
[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: from what I hear its a viewer problem
[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe only Singularity / Replex issue
[11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh, thats my default this days 64meters. for some reason higher makes it less smooth
[11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey..
[11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of car
[11:07]  Kayaker Magic: I saw the whole car right after I first got here. No problems
[11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe never finished rezzing?
[11:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah
[11:08]  Entering god mode, level 255
[11:09]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: no Justin today?
[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not sure
[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so far no, he is not on skype
[11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though he hasnt been on skype for many weeks
[11:09]  vegaslon plutonian is reminded to get on skype to see if any messages
[11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: just tested movement with parameters fast and not_at_target. but it dont move smooth and get steady interupted :( so no smooth movement
[11:10]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I log into skype about once every 3 months lol
[11:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hehe
[11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Ketframemotion is not reliable enough or its opensim LSL.
[11:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I dont have any expereience with Keyframe motion
[11:12]  Ci Sense: oooh it's a motor show ... hi all
[11:12]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: me either, but I have some physical thingies that move very well
[11:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I should probably try it out one of these days
[11:12]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: can anyone shed any light on HG IM issues were someone can IM you from another grid but when you attempt to respond it bounces back with "user offline", yet if I then tp to a different region in RG I can then respond
[11:12]  vegaslon plutonian: find smooth is a relative thing, the same thing will be jerky one day and smooth the next
[11:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it works good / fine if you dont do complex things.
[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: any news about the HG offlineIM ?
[11:13]  Andrew Hellershanks wonders what the sort of orangey pyramid is for near the back end of the car
[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew mesh error = not loading
[11:13]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i see 4 of them
[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I have not heard anything Richardus
[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok
[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: though I havent had any time to really follow up with it
[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: yeah, now I see a ton of them
[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: click the car and possible you get 4
[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: a ton ?
[11:14]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: /eep
[11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: 20 or more as a guess? I didn't have time to count them before they disappeared again
[11:14]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea cache gets wierd some times
[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_001.png
[11:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, happened again. Count was closer to 40
[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_002.png
[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_003.png
[11:15]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://nebadon2025.com/screenshots/McLaren_MP4-12C-001_004.png
[11:15]  Hiro Protagonist: o/
[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to take a copy
[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im not quite done with it yet
[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but it works pretty good
[11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: whats cool is the tires
[11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: Phew. Just remembered I'm supposed to be bidding on an eBay item. Still 16 minutes left to go so I haven't lost out (yet)
[11:16]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[11:16]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: \&
[11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see part of the main body. No tires
[11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: mesh tires that actually spin
[11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as they turn too
[11:17]  Ci Sense: looks road worthy to me
[11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: how do you drive from the backseat :P :)
[11:17]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea needs a little work still
[11:18]  Ci Sense: does it come in OSG yellow?
[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:18]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: should be able to make it any color you want
[11:19]  vegaslon plutonian: that using materials for shine?
[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: nothing fancy though
[11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi robert
[11:19]  Ci Sense: nice respray
[11:19]  Basil Sosides: good Evening all
[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
[11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its just a solid white texture
[11:19]  Robert Adams: hello all
[11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Robert
[11:20]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: hi Robert
[11:20]  Ci Sense: I see it has GPS too ... HG enabled?
[11:20]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:21]  valerie llauke: grrrr lost all of myself ..
[11:22]  vegaslon plutonian: that would be kind of cool, a car that when you get going fast enough it teleports you
[11:23]  Chris Small: Anyone else feeling this lag?
[11:23]  Andrew Hellershanks: I was Chris.
[11:23]  Chris Small: Apparently misogyny is illegal. I wonder what bitches pushed that law through.
[11:23]  Basil Sosides: yes
[11:23]  Ci Sense: chat lag, yes
[11:23]  valerie llauke: yes
[11:23]  Robert Adams: My chat is very laggy but I presumed it was my network connection
[11:23]  Dahlia Trimble: lol cant move
[11:24]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        6a48c87: 2015-05-13 15:59:58 -0700 (Unix/Mono)
[11:24]  Chris Small: Seems to be taking me time to move as well. Though my internet is fine, 72mbps download.
[11:24]  valerie llauke: i see no buildings
[11:24]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya
[11:24]  valerie llauke: when i cant move .. i just dont
[11:25]  valerie llauke: :P
[11:25]  Robert Adams: I can't move either
[11:25]  Chris Small: Its this region specifically (or estate)
[11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: Must be the place. My frame rate is only about 36fps
[11:25]  Ci Sense: sim FPS is about 10 .. no way it will be enough for a VR set
[11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: frozen too
[11:25]  Sarah Kline: its my hair
[11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wierd console looks ok
[11:25]  Hiro Protagonist: I seem stuck too
[11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: laggy now
[11:25]  Chris Small: Was fine yesterday. Maybe it's having issues or could just use a good restart.
[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: mabey some bad connection problem ?
[11:26]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Neb, if you have access to console do a check for reams and reams of resends
[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sim fps is very low neb
[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hmm ya threads or something
[11:26]  Hiro Protagonist: no guess it was laggage
[11:26]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: this is exactly the issue we've been reporting where a single latent viewer will be able to kill a region
[11:26]  Chris Small: I dont see why itwould screw up overnight
[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well it came back
[11:26]  Ci Sense: will OpenSim run at 60/90 fps?
[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: no errors
[11:26]  Chris Small: Ah
[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i did see a single thread time out
[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: physics same it wherre just 5fps. now back to 11
[11:26]  valerie llauke: waves hello to everyone
[11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 3 fps
[11:26]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh just saw a bunch more now
[11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: stats look terrible
[11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: and 7fps
[11:27]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: That's what i where hoping you would say aine
[11:27]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: we captured lots of data on if and sent it to Justin a few months ago
[11:27]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:27]  Dahlia Trimble: time dilation should go down when physics fps goes down yet it stays at 1.0
[11:28]  valerie llauke: is it me?
[11:28]  Robert Adams: wonder if we'll see Justin back sometime
[11:28]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: if whoever's viewer is latent stays, the sim will eventually hit a point where it is so overwhelmed with resends that it kicks eveyrone
[11:29]  Hiro Protagonist: if that is going to happen, we want it to happen now
[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: do a check of resends and unackb for users in the region
[11:29]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: looking at the stats no one is standing out
[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: one will have very, very high numbers
[11:29]  Chris Small: Is it me or is the chat skipping more than it should...
[11:29]  Andrew Hellershanks: How can you determine which viewer is causing the problem?
[11:29]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: in the oder of 5k+ per minute they've been here
[11:29]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[11:29]  vegaslon plutonian: know you can bring a server to its knees using the world map, but it does recover eventually if you stop
[11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I probably should have restarted the region before the meeting
[11:30]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its using a lot of memory
[11:31]  Chris Small: Is anyone here from the US able to check out my region for me? I just want to see how well a UK based server works.
[11:31]  Dahlia Trimble: I fixed the map thing by increasing MONO_THREADS_PER_CPU
[11:31]  Robert Adams: the console can display the output queues I think
[11:31]  valerie llauke: wonders why the mettings are in such a heavy spot anyhoo
[11:31]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im restarting some of the other regions
[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i think box was swapping
[11:31]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: why it got slow
[11:31]  Andrew Hellershanks: htop could tell you if its using swap.
[11:32]  Ci Sense wonders if the 34,811 objects in this region may be responsible
[11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
[11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nah, only 34K :)
[11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Ci, it is usually better than it is now
[11:32]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont have swap on my servers
[11:32]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:32]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: this region is using a ton of memory
[11:33]  Robert Adams: some people have complained about crashes after running for awhile.... do we have a memory leak?
[11:33]  Chris Small: 34k is roughly a 2 to 3gb ram server isnt it?
[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
Process memory : 7352 MB
[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
[11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
[11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
[11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
[11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
[11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
[11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
[11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
[11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: MEMORY STATISTICS
[11:40]  Heap allocated to OpenSim : 4361 MB
[11:40]  Last heap allocation rate : 24.016 MB/s
[11:40]  Average heap allocation rate: 33.197 MB/s
[11:40]  Process memory : 7352 MB
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i probably should have restarted it
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Hiro Protagonist: lmao
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  BlueWall Slade: about like running M$ Word
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:33]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but if you never forgot to restart tehre's no fun and new info
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory leaks away
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its very likely xengine
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: all the visitors we get here bringing in their scripted attachments
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i would blame mono
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  BlueWall Slade: It would be good to place transient scripts in their own
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:34]  Dahlia Trimble: probably the McLaren scrpts :P
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: that is a problem with the appdomain setting
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Basil Sosides: not all
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist: yer killin me smalls :p
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: .
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe I should restart it we could relog?
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  BlueWall Slade: chat messages transposed
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: let me restart it come back in like 5 minutes?
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: CHAT LAG!
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Andrew Hellershanks: sim fps went up slightly with the car bone
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Hiro Protagonist is bailin'
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Kayaker Magic: I hear voice
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Chris Small: Anyone messed with breedable pets yet?
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok see you in 5
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:35]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[11:40]  [2015/05/19 11:36]  Connected
[11:40]  RegionReady v4: Region Ready Processed on Teravus Plaza @ 2015-05-19T18:36:02.7986050Z UTC
[11:40]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[11:40]  Connected
[11:41]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Nebadon Izumi, enjoy your sit..
[11:41]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...
[11:41]  Connected
[11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: much betta
[11:41]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hi
[11:41]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello
[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: everyone logging in at once
[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: little laggy
[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: memory is a lot better now
[11:42]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I forgot to restart it before meeting
[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yeah, if we had a way to separate transient scripts from the main appdomain it would be better for high traffic areas
[11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: The region feels a lot better now
[11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: something wrong on wright, crashed again. and it's laggy for eme right now
[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea
[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Justin was talking about giving each avatar their own appdomain
[11:43]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and then killing it once they leave
[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: yes
[11:43]  BlueWall Slade: that is a good solution
[11:43]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dang, I'm annoyed that I missed putting in another bid on the item due to being distracted by the meeting. :P
[11:44]  valerie llauke: wb everyone
[11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so now that we can chat normally again
[11:44]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: was there anything else anyone wanted to talk about?
[11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Has anyone experienced issues with particles in a var not working outside the root 256mx256m area of the var?
[11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: Not working properly.
[11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not that I recall
[11:45]  valerie llauke: well talk .. i know 4 people whose avies borked and i keep losing skin and shape ... just and FYI .....
[11:45]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again I dont really recall trying Andrew
[11:45]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: nerver got to that point. as long im stuck with othger things andrew
[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: they just dont work at all?
[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I will have to test that
[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: would surprise me though
[11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: I see them work fine
[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because I know the partciles in the McLaren racer work fine
[11:46]  valerie llauke: particle are fine on mine
[11:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, ok. I pointed out to someone that their candle effect didn't look good and that I had a better one. They said it starts out ok but deteriorates after a while in the var.
[11:46]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the burnout smoke works fine in all my vars
[11:46]  vegaslon plutonian: one of the first things I tested on a var
[11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that would be wierd Andrew
[11:47]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless maybe its reliant on wind
[11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, that's what I thought. I haven't confirmed it yet.
[11:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: no, the particles were rising straight up
[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then again i dont know of any issues with wind if there are any in vars
[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: I used to have trouble with particle limits in SL, you only get so many particles and other emitters can degrade your emitter
[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya maybe its just the viewer
[11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, That is more a viewer limitation.
[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: perhaps having trouble rendering
[11:48]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as more stuff loads
[11:48]  Andrew Hellershanks: Upper limit is about 4,000 particles.
[11:48]  Dahlia Trimble: so I'd think a long draw distance in a var with lots of emitters would screw things up
[11:48]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 4096
[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but i cans et mine higher
[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i think 8192 is max
[11:49]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yup. max for me is 8192
[11:53]  Basil Sosides: FPS onBulletphysics, can we get some more ?
[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: sorry was afk phone
[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you mean the 11fps?
[11:53]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is being worked on
[11:53]  Basil Sosides: yes
[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its a fairly complex problem
[11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: do we need more?
[11:54]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought that was just a case of real stats instead of the older ones.
[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we need all the FPS's!!!
[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea nothings changed in terms of performance
[11:54]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: before we were just multiplying the number
[11:54]  Dahlia Trimble: what should it be?
[11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 44 ?
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: right now the max is 11fps
[11:55]  Basil Sosides: OK#
[11:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought 11 was the proper number under the new stats.
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes
[11:55]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: 11.3
[11:55]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yes 11 is right for new stats
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only thing that kind of sucks about it now
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is the viewers report that the simulators are running below optimial levels
[11:55]  vegaslon plutonian: veiwer lag meter always shows red for the server
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i dont think it causes any problems
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya
[11:55]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you just get a warning
[11:55]  BlueWall Slade: as I understand it, OpenSim does things differently also, so the frame rate is not the whole story.
[11:56]  Basil Sosides: why show the Singu Viewer on 0.8.1 50 FPS, not 11 ???
[11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Like mpore things happen in a frame.
[11:56]  BlueWall Slade: Not sure though.
[11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: basil, mine does
[11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: basil maybe your looking at the GPU fps?
[11:56]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: for rendering?
[11:56]  Andrew Hellershanks didn't understand the question and how a program version related to the FPS number
[11:56]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 1.8.6 ?
[11:56]  Dahlia Trimble: Basil, viewer fps and sim fps and physics fps are all different things
[11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: The old stats used to show 53 or so FPS but the corrected stats will show 11.
[11:57]  Basil Sosides: i run two versions with Bullet, 0.8.1 shows 52 FPS, 0.8.2 11FPS
[11:57]  Dahlia Trimble: 52 sounds low
[11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: 0.8.2 shows proper stats, not inflated ones as were shown before
[11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: but 11 is good
[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea it would have been 55fps
[11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, Phy FPS was always a little lower than Sim FPS
[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: there is a refactoring in progress for how stats are gathered
[11:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: and possibly to see if these levels can indeed be increased
[11:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: not shocking lower
[11:58]  Dahlia Trimble: Andrew, I see 11.3 for physics and 11 for sim right now
[11:59]  Andrew Hellershanks: Basil, you must have missed the mention of this in the release notes
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you run bulletsim in its own thread
[11:59]  Basil Sosides: but its OK#, new Version is good at all
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you wont get any proper fps
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it will show 11 always
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that is also being worked on
[11:59]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 11 oir lower
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: not if your running bullet in its own thread
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it wont ever go lower than 11
[11:59]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: because its not wired in
[12:00]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm, oh. and why you not run it in own thread on wright ?
[12:00]  Dahlia Trimble: I bet it will :)
[12:00]  vegaslon plutonian: see it go lower then 11 all the time
[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Diva was going to talke a look at that
[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well maybe it will if the sim heartbeat does
[12:00]  Andrew Hellershanks: Dahlia, ok. I'm seeing the same. Sim is 11 and Phys is bouncing around 11 give or take about 3 points
[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but its not actually becasue of physics
[12:00]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: the only way to get proper physics stats right now is to not run bullet in its own thread
[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but then of course peformance tanks
[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its being worked on
[12:01]  Dahlia Trimble: 11 is the new 55 :)
[12:01]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[12:01]  Basil Sosides: my Viewer shows me 11.3 FPS for Wright Plaza, so its Bullet here
[12:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: Does the LSL script that gets FPS numbers return 11 or still returns the older 55 range number?
[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yes all the plazas are bullet
[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in their own thread
[12:02]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh
[12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the old number was 56.5 at max.....new number os 11.3
[12:02]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the "fudge factor" was 5x
[12:02]  Basil Sosides: i think Bullet are modern Physics
[12:02]  Basil Sosides: verry good
[12:02]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea bullet is the best choice right now
[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: likely will be for the forseeable future
[12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: you know http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/LlGetObjectDetails have a few extra options in SL ?
[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wouldnt surprise me if ours isnt fully implemented Richardus
[12:03]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: is there a mantis?
[12:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT, OBJECT_HOVER_HEIGHT, OBJECT_BODY_SHAPE_TYPE out of my mind
[12:03]  vegaslon plutonian: patches on the mantis for that
[12:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No, nebadon. i just remember it again
[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: cool
[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: what number vegaslon?
[12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: whole bunch of them
[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh
[12:04]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: new or old?
[12:04]  vegaslon plutonian: new
[12:04]  Dahlia Trimble: lol OBJECT_RENDER_WEIGHT
[12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok i'll take a look at those when i can
[12:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: unless someone beats me to it :)
[12:06]  Dahlia Trimble: go for it! :D
[12:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i cannot find the artifle with the list of new ones
[12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I ran across some things missing from another LSL function. I've got a code change I haven't pushed yet.
[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: soon as I finish setting up my new phone
[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[12:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: upgraded from Galaxy Note 2 to Galaxy Note 4
[12:07]  Dahlia Trimble: I have a very cheap and old android phone which works better than I need it to
[12:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: llGetEnv() can return values for a few strings which currently return just an empty string.
[12:07]  vegaslon plutonian: lol you already applied to patch nebadon
[12:07]  Sarah Kline: night all
[12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: heh ya well if company wasnt getting me them id still be using my 19$ Wallgreens Nokia phone
[12:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[12:08]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont like newer smartphones, too much spyware for my taste
[12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: https://modemworld.wordpress.com/2015/04/29/sl-projects-updates-week-181-server-viewer/
[12:08]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Dev Random.....since you recently were looking at the code related to terrain, I don't suppose you might be able to locate where the terraforming tools were broken, would you?
[12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: llgetenv seems to have updates too
[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea i saw the patch for llgetenv
[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i'll look at those later
[12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ok.
[12:09]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i dont use it. but before people start to scream.. :O
[12:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I didnt notice a patch for LlGetObjectDetails
[12:10]  vegaslon plutonian: ya you already applied that patch
[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh heh
[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok
[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: oh your right i sure did
[12:10]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol
[12:10]  Andrew Hellershanks: Where is there a patch for llGetEnv?
[12:11]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7579
[12:12]  Basil Sosides: sometime Assets disapears
[12:12]  Basil Sosides: but not often
[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: asset knomes
[12:12]  Basil Sosides: yes
[12:12]  Dahlia Trimble: bye all :)
[12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok. I would have called that variable RegionStartTime instead of UnixStartTime. That is one of the changes I realized is needed
[12:12]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: bye dahlia
[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see you dahlia
[12:12]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: bye dahlia
[12:12]  Basil Sosides: bye Dahlia
[12:12]  valerie llauke: bye dahlia
[12:12]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Basil chances are when that happens
[12:13]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: bye Dahlia
[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its likely some kind of threading issue at the simulator
[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hard to say though
[12:13]  Dev Random: Aine: The terrain code I was playing with is not related to the tools. My code was for manipulating the data from the console. I took a quick look at the tools, but didn't dig deep. Tough to find time outside RL work.
[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I need to get going myself, supposed to be meeting my sister shortly
[12:13]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: be back a bit later i will check out the llgetenv patch
[12:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, someone only provided the llGetEnv patch today.
[12:14]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..
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