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Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */

2023-06-04T06:11:03Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing

Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */

2023-06-04T06:08:51Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing

JeffKelley at 19:51, 3 June 2023

2023-06-03T19:51:08Z

Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */ Fixing a typo

2023-06-03T11:12:35Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing: Fixing a typo

Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */

2023-06-03T11:11:56Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing

JeffKelley at 15:51, 2 June 2023

2023-06-02T15:51:51Z

Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */

2023-05-30T08:30:32Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing

JeffKelley at 08:53, 29 May 2023

2023-05-29T08:53:50Z

Tess Juel: Correcting typos

2023-05-29T01:42:46Z

Correcting typos

Tess Juel: /* Cleaning up and reorganizing */

2023-05-29T01:42:11Z

‎Cleaning up and reorganizing

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	I have models to build, textures to create and a lovely RL garden to tend and enjoy. In other words: Life's too short for wiki editing wars. I've returned everything back to how it was before I started editing.		I have models to build, textures to create and a lovely RL garden to tend and enjoy. In other words: Life's too short for wiki editing wars. I've returned everything back to how it was before I started editing.
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		+	Edit: To clarify, I don't mind if the wiki uses my contributions here but only if other people actually want it. Feel free to reinstate my edits if you like, or not if you don't. I don't care.
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		+	-- Tess

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		+	I have models to build, textures to create and a lovely RL garden to tend and enjoy. In other words: Life's too short for wiki editing wars. I've returned everything back to how it was before I started editing.

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		+	> Great idea but I would have put this on the Sound (Content Creation) page.
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		+	Definitely no, because « Sounds clips can be used within (scripted) objects and as part of gestures ». Sounds, Music and Media are different things with overlapping usage (You can play music with '''Music''', but also with '''Media'''. There are also ppl who play music chaining 10s '''Sounds''', which is a terrible idea). So, the need for a short explanation giving enough information to choose one of three ways.
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 Great idea but I would have put this on the Sound (Content Creation) page.
-One reason is page length. Right now the page's word count is 323, the file size (not including images etc.) is 32.1 KB and the page requires one click on the scroll bar to get to the end on a standard HD monitor. Ideally those numbers should not exceed 1000, 100 and 3 respectively so we're not anywhere near the limits yet. W almost certainly will be when all topics listed on the page have been edited the same way though.
+One reason is page length. Right now the page's word count is 323, the file size (not including images etc.) is 32.1 KB and the page requires one click on the scroll bar to get to the end on a standard HD monitor. Ideally those numbers should not exceed 1000, 100 and 3 respectively so we're not anywhere near the limits yet. We almost certainly will be when all topics listed on the page have been edited the same way though.
 Another reason is search engine ranking. Google and Bing are far more likely to rank a page focused on a single topic (such as mesh, sounds, etc.) high than one that covers them all.

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	Trying a style for Sounds, Music, Media : A short lead with definitions, disambiguation, mentioning overlaps. Then branching to the detailed pages. Tell me if you like it. -- JeffKelley		Trying a style for Sounds, Music, Media : A short lead with definitions, disambiguation, mentioning overlaps. Then branching to the detailed pages. Tell me if you like it. -- JeffKelley
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		+	Great idea but I would have put this on the Sound (Content Creation) page.
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		+	One reason is page length. Right now the page's word count is 323, the file size (not including images etc.) is 32.1 KB and the page requires one click on the scroll bar to get to the end on a standard HD monitor. Ideally those numbers should not exceed 1000, 100 and 3 respectively so we're not anywhere near the limits yet. W almost certainly will be when all topics listed on the page have been edited the same way though.
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		+	Another reason is search engine ranking. Google and Bing are far more likely to rank a page focused on a single topic (such as mesh, sounds, etc.) high than one that covers them all.
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		+	The good argument for keeping a lot of content on a single page is of course that it saves visitors from clicking through multiple links. But in this case it's only a single link and they'll have to click on the scroll bar or the internal page index links anyway so I don't think it's relevant.
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		+	Trying a style for Sounds, Music, Media : A short lead with definitions, disambiguation, mentioning overlaps. Then branching to the detailed pages. Tell me if you like it. -- JeffKelley

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		+	You may be right that it would have been better to draft pages and publish when finished but then I wouldn't have had your feedback. I'm not joking, your comments here really helped a lot!
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		+	The way I saw it, and still see it, the original page was so barebones and outdated it wasn't really a functional resource at all so effectively taking it down for a few days wouldn't do any harm. I haven't seen the visitor stats but I wouldn't at all be surprised if you and I were the only people visiting the page during the resturcturing process.
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		+	In any case, the restructuring work is all but done now and it's done the way you last suggested. As I said in my first comment here, I wasn't really convinced my original scheme was a good one and it turned out it wasn't. I'll do a final check of the new pages and add backlinks to the main page. I've double and triple checked an am fairly sure I included all the content from the old page (except for outdated info and broken links of course) but if I missed something, it can be retrieved from the page history.
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		+	The content creation section of the wiki is still barebones with lots and lots of holes to fill in. But there's easily more than twice as much content as it was a week ago, certainly enough to show why it was necessary to split the page.
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		+	-- Tess Juel

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	One thing I'm not happy about with the formatting is that level 3 and 4 headers look very similar so it's hard to see the difference at a glance. I'm tempted to skip level 4 headers and go straight from 3 to 5. -- Tess Juel		One thing I'm not happy about with the formatting is that level 3 and 4 headers look very similar so it's hard to see the difference at a glance. I'm tempted to skip level 4 headers and go straight from 3 to 5. -- Tess Juel
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		+	I did not say yet that it's better to keep the original structure by asset type, although yes, this would have my preference. What I'm voicing here is that you are disrupting access to the information for a undetermined amount of time by working on a live (which ppl browse now) dataset, what you could easily avoid working on a copy.
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		+	Structuring by Best Practices/Guides/Tutorials/etc seems secondary to me. If it was harmless in the monolithic page, it now creates a maze in the structured version.
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		+	Let's see the experience of a visitor looking informations about meshes, today. He is greeted with a single link page, and the linked page conflates meshes and prims with just one link about meshes (How To Upload Mesh). Path to tools is lost, unless he backtracks two steps and ask for Tools. Better give him all informations pertaining to meshes when he clicks on Meshes. My opinion.
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		+	Also, the hierarchy (as implied by indentation) models = prims + sculpts + meshes makes few sense. Clicking Models leads to How To Upload Mesh, but clicking on Meshes don't ! Maze again. I think we can safely assume model IS mesh, and drop 'models' forever.
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		+	To summarize my thoughts : Break into asset types, give all infomation for this type on a single page (no maze), keeping loosely the Practices/Guides/Tutorials/etc framework.
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 -- Tess Juel
-I've been thinking a bit more about the organsation fot he content here. I'm still convinced that the original single page needs to be split up now rather than later but I do agree with what JeffKelley seemed to imply but didn't outright: it's better to keep the original structure with asset type (model, texture etc.) as the main sorting factor and content type (guide, tools etc.) as the secondary so I'm changing it back to that.
+I've been thinking a bit more about the organsation of the content here. I'm still convinced that the original single page needs to be split up now rather than later but I do agree with what JeffKelley seemed to imply but didn't outright: it's better to keep the original structure with asset type (model, texture etc.) as the main sorting factor and content type (guide, tools etc.) as the secondary so I'm changing it back to that.
 Edit: I have re-formatted the [[Prims (Content Creation)|prims]] page as a test/demo. Any comments and suggestions for improvements are appreciated. I've included all the section implied in the original Artist Home page plus two more (Documentation and Tutorials) as subsections under a links section since it seems that was what they were all about.
 One thing I'm not happy about with the formatting is that level 3 and 4 headers look very similar so it's hard to see the difference at a glance. I'm tempted to skip level 4 headers and go straight from 3 to 5. -- Tess Juel

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	I've been thinking a bit more about the organsation fot he content here. I'm still convinced that the original single page needs to be split up now rather than later but I do agree with what JeffKelley seemed to imply but didn't outright: it's better to keep the original structure with asset type (model, texture etc.) as the main sorting factor and content type (guide, tools etc.) as the secondary so I'm changing it back to that.		I've been thinking a bit more about the organsation fot he content here. I'm still convinced that the original single page needs to be split up now rather than later but I do agree with what JeffKelley seemed to imply but didn't outright: it's better to keep the original structure with asset type (model, texture etc.) as the main sorting factor and content type (guide, tools etc.) as the secondary so I'm changing it back to that.
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		+	Edit: I have re-formatted the [[Prims (Content Creation)\|prims]] page as a test/demo. Any comments and suggestions for improvements are appreciated. I've included all the section implied in the original Artist Home page plus two more (Documentation and Tutorials) as subsections under a links section since it seems that was what they were all about.
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		+	One thing I'm not happy about with the formatting is that level 3 and 4 headers look very similar so it's hard to see the difference at a glance. I'm tempted to skip level 4 headers and go straight from 3 to 5. -- Tess Juel