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<p>Kcozens: Meeting log of Oct. 1, 2024</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre style=&quot;white-space: pre-wrap;word-wrap: break-word;&quot;&gt;<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:04] Lyr Lobo smiles in greeting<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I don't think we had commits this week or I'm blind<br /> [11:07] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: lol<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: Oh yes... bad devs.. no commits<br /> [11:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: lol<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Someone must still be on &quot;vacation&quot;. ;)<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not much going on, probably have to go through mantis again and sort out some issues<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Think there is still some stuff there I wanted to look at<br /> [11:09] Web Rain: Hi there :)<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Web.<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been rather side tracked with a couple of personal software projects of late.<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Same<br /> [11:11] Lyr Lobo: Well there were fires and smoke<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Does anyone have any questions, comments, or concerns?<br /> [11:11] Lyr Lobo: hard to develop when working on breathing<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Lyr, Are you near (enough) to some wild fire?<br /> [11:12] Lyr Lobo: No, but the fires were in Portugal<br /> [11:12] Lyr Lobo: I am often... had to evacuate once as I am in Colorado<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah we had some of those... good we have a little rain now<br /> [11:13] Lyr Lobo: but not right now<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In light of recent news I may offer some information. As you all should be familiar with by now there are interconnections between grids to fetch all manners of data. When they go away all that ends up going into the void. Took some time the other day to come up with a little log crawler to check and see how bad that actually has gotten over the years<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: It was a couple (or so) summers ago that there were wildfires in the northern part of my country more than 1,000 miles away but the smoke eventually made itself known to where Ilive.<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not as bad as I thought it would be, probably in part due to not much content going round, but there were a few bad ones in there still. You can crawl your region logs for NameResolutionFailure to see for yourself<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: joe how is movement inter/extrapolitaion going?<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: polation..<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Going through the actual data that causes those failures by way of external references is another matter. Crawling through assets and trying to find a way to adjust them is not fun<br /> [11:16] Web Rain: i had this problem in my sim with some textures that i transfered from here to there... missing textures data grimlin even if the textures was there<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Alternatively one could presumably just change dns to spoof the dead endpoints and provide some sane data locally, but that has it's own implications<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If it gets to a point where all that http queue clogs up a region regularly there might be something internally that can be done, possibly through blacklisting or something<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think httpclient already has some of that if a lot of requests fail, but it doesn't keep that between restarts I don't think<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, what sort of data is getting lost? I'm guessing that are referring to when a grid shuts down.<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: creator data mostly, but friends and groups are also affected negatively<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: hard to keep a automatic blacklist of dns fails etc<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: because dns does fail on valid things now and then<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: but myeb we could have manual maintained list<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: like for well known &quot;defund&quot; grids etc<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: ofc that will not prevent the hg standalones and similar short lived things<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: ( things == urls )<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Plus doing that for every region config, would be better as service something like mutelist, could steal some code from that heh<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Manual list in robust to distribute to regions<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That way you could make robust check again after a while if the endpoint is truly dead<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Have regions request the data once a day or so<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Kinda like dns heh<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well at a point that list will be longer than assets :p<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: nahh dns does not do that<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: dns just expires things<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I mean as in TTL for blacklisted urls<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: On the list I keep there are like 4000 grids with uptimes of less than 15%<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: we do have those<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: jsut not persisten<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: t..<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Judging from the logs the situation is not as bad as I feared it might be. Worst case was 15000 dns failures across 50+ regions<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: you do run a dns cache on yr grid right?<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably from months of log data, so nowhere near enough to clog up the http pipes<br /> [11:27] Web Rain: and what if the dead urls was add to on fail [GatekeeperService] &gt; AllowExcept ?<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: thats not for gatekeeper<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Regions don't see those, they just get a false on teleport requests there<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They don't get a &quot;this is all banned btw&quot; as return<br /> [11:29] Web Rain: yep :(<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: yeah dead != banned also<br /> [11:29] Kayaker Magic: I gota run to my next meeting! RL calls!<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: tc, Kayaker.<br /> [11:29] Kayaker Magic: Buy all!<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: At most I have seen one region request about 10 dead enpoints at once, but that's far enough from clogging pipes thankfully<br /> [11:30] Web Rain: for local grid the assets are stored locally so... this problem is more an intergrid HG<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you happen to store a ton of assets on a region from defunct ones though that might be a different story<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: fun his hat went first<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can think of a couple grids that do that<br /> [11:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but most don't<br /> [11:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I've also seen grids where the grid owner &quot;took ownership&quot; in order to eliminate the DNS delay<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: or to &quot;eliminate&quot; other things :p<br /> [11:33] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yep sokve one problem create another<br /> [11:34] Web Rain: i have this message in the console?!? maybe is related... [WARNING]: EOC marker not found. Codestream is corrupted.<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Once it fails it is in limbo and it seems that there is no dummy data sent either, so that might be something that could be adjusted immediately. If the request fails, returning a kinda empty profile back to the viewer so that doesn't get stuck<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Web, that's from the maptile renderer, can be ignored<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Vince that sounds like a good idea<br /> [11:35] Web Rain: ha! ok :) is the missing textures problem that cause it<br /> [11:35] orbert tatham: There are a number of places where timeouts could be helped with defaults of that sort<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always have to check though where the data ends up cached and thus potentially be &quot;wrong&quot;<br /> [11:36] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The 7.x viewer does seem to get stuck on a few things<br /> [11:37] orbert tatham: Found a bug where the sea and sky get messed up when TPing around even within OSGrid<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: remember that the old issue of viewers requesting data to the wrong region on tps was never fixed<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: that may also impact enviroment<br /> [11:39] Web Rain: agree, the env don't update after TP... i i jump to my sim i will keep the same env like here<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: possible it did update.. to the old region one :P<br /> [11:40] Web Rain: and i have to log out/in to get the local env<br /> [11:40] orbert tatham: Yeah, that sounds right<br /> [11:40] orbert tatham: Didn't realize it was an old bug<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: old bad timing issues<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: same as failed avatar names<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: specially npcs<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: viewers get things from new region, but keep asking to the older one abotu those<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: that kills npc names, HG avatar names, local textures, HG textures.. etc<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: a issue there since &quot;ever&quot;<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: will never be fixed, bc those things are globla things at SL<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: global...<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: ( alos bc it is a timing related issue.. hard to debug )<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: ahh also a issue on nearby regions..<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: viewers may ask to main region about things on the child ones<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: so npc names, local textures, etc will fail<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: I received an email (from an IM) this past week that is sort of related to this topic. The person was asking if I if dotnet instead of mono is the culprit for all of the problems people are having in the hypergrid? The newer opensim versions are all dotnet now.<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ppl always had problems with hg :p<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: yeah. More likely due to different versions of OS in source vs destination rather than dotnet vs mono.<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: and what &quot;all the problems&quot; are those..<br /> [11:49] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: When I HG TP across grids that are 0.9.3 or above it generally works fine for me<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I always have issues with some regions in OSGrid that are running older versions<br /> [11:50] Web Rain: It is a notable technological advance but not the miracle solution to all problems.<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Looking at the clock I see we are about 10 minutes away from the top of the hour. If we can hold off other questions, etc for a moment please. Lyr has an announcement.<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a couple too<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Lyr, wait a moment for final comments coming in then you can go ahead.<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Go ahead, Lyr.<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: Thank you, Andrew<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: I would like to say a few short words about a dear friend that we lost recently.<br /> ~<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: The Organizing Committee at the OpenSimulator Community Conference honors the memory of Olivetree Lighthouse, who passed away from the sudden onset of a brain tumor.<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: ~<br /> She loved OpenSimulator and worked as a volunteer and moderator for the OSCC presenations and on the speaker booths in OSCC Expo Region 3.<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: ~<br /> Olivetree, also known as PinkSamurai, will be missed.<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo: We were close... worked together for a dozen years in virtual worlds...and played the World of Warcraft together with our conference teams at ISTE. Thank you<br /> [11:52] Lyr Lobo: You may not have known her, but her mesh designs and signs are all over the place *smiles*<br /> [11:52] Lyr Lobo: Thank you<br /> [11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Sorry to hear Lyr. *Hugs*<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: ( you can see Olivetree Lighthouse profile here at osgrid also )<br /> [11:52] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: =(<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't recall having met her. Sorry to hear of her passing, Lyr.<br /> [11:53] Lyr Lobo: Thank you, Ubit *smiles* yes, she was in many grids and worlds...a gentle loving lady who loved the work that you do<br /> [11:53] Web Rain: :( my condolences to his family and friends<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: her profile is great<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: Came to Virtual Worlds (SL then Opennsim) to Connect, Teach, Learn, Explore, and enjoy getting to know people and their creativity. I'm still in love with all of it and the fact that I get to do all this with people from around the globe.<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: end of my tribute to a dear friend<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: thank you<br /> [11:54] Web Rain: her (sorry)<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: no worries, Web<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: *smiles*<br /> [11:55] Lyr Lobo: she was on stage during the sessions at the conference<br /> [11:55] Lyr Lobo: and http://conference.opensimulator.org/ call for proposals/<br /> [11:56] Lyr Lobo: and there's the conference... if you have content to share or want to discuss community issues, please let me know and we'll schedule a session<br /> [11:56] Lyr Lobo: back to you, Ubit and Andrew<br /> [11:56] Web Rain: I think I know her but not personally :(<br /> [11:56] Lyr Lobo: Yes *smiles*<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I probably have met or seen her. I'm not good with names. I have a tendency to forget them. Particularly so if it is someone I run across about once a year.<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you, Lyr.<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other questions, comments, etc. for today?<br /> [11:58] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I filed a bug report this week that I need to ask about. I also have a strange linkset that changes LI in a confusing way. that I want to ask about.<br /> [11:58] Web Rain: yep :)<br /> [11:58] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Been waiting a while here to ask<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Floor is yours, Cuga.<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: \The bug report had to do with firing the object_+rez event after llRezAtRoot()<br /> [11:59] Web Rain: just a good news to conclude :) 0 failure in a standalone HG under HTTPS at this moment<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: object_rez<br /> [11:59] Web Rain: oupss sorry Cuga :)<br /> [11:59] Joe Magarac: Next meeting,, gotta go....<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I added sample code showing the issuehttp://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=9165<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Joe. See you again next week.<br /> [12:00] Lyr Lobo: bye Joe<br /> [12:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: JeffzKelley chimed in and said that what I reported was expected behavior.<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, the problem is when rezzing from a script or manually via build tools?<br /> [12:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Can someone confirm?<br /> [12:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: rezzing from a script<br /> [12:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: during a state_entry() in one of the states<br /> [12:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: if you rez more than one thing, object_rez doesn't fire until after the last thing rezzes<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: instead of after each llRezAtRoot<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: is this expected behavior?<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: you are taliking abotu things happening on diferent scripts<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: If so I'll cancel bug report<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no same script<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: and there is no timing relation btw on rez and the event<br /> [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I added a delay between the two rezzing events, thinking there might be a timing issue, but I can add a whole minute and it doesn;t make a diff<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: object_rez is blocked from firing until state_entry() finishes<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: hmm and if i remember, on same script, state_entry() runs before on_rez<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: I would expect an object to maintain its link order regardless of how it is rezzed.<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not on_rez<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: onject_rez<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: which fires when the script rezzes something<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: no<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: there was an error in my report, I meant object_rez<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: things run on threads..<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: some things run in same threads as main code, others are queued and will run when there is a free script thread<br /> [12:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The workaround is to have the newly-rezzed object send back it's UUID to the object rezzing it to a listener<br /> [12:07] Web Rain: just a stupid idea... add an llSleep(0.05) after each rez...<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK, I understand. object_rez is asynchronous with the llrezAtRoot methods.<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: others things like events entry and on_rez, are placed on a script events queue<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Thanks for explaining, I'll cancel bug.<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: again will run when there is a thread..<br /> [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Web I did that, I can add several seconds delay and same result<br /> [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: object_rez thread is blocked until state_entry finished<br /> [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that is the issue<br /> [12:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK so I can;t rely on object_rez firing with any small delay after llrezAtRoot. That's what I needed to knw from this question. Thank you<br /> [12:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Other issue is a strange linkset<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: no it is NOT blocked<br /> [12:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a 1-LI mesh and link it to a 1-LI regular flat cylinder<br /> [12:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and it becomes 30 LI<br /> [12:10] Web Rain: i don't know but way work, write a rezzer function that rez the things and fire it at the end of the state_entry<br /> [12:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit my code example doe block it, can you check?<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: it wil wait for a free thread to do it...<br /> [12:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I added a minute delay and it still didn;t fire, with no CPU load or anything<br /> [12:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: repeatable<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: ( if there is none. it may look like &quot;blocked&quot;, since it will need that same thread to do it )<br /> [12:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the underlying reason isn;t as important as the fact that it's expected, and can;t be relied on to fire until the method is finished.<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: ohh<br /> [12:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Did I get that right?<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: in fact it even used a thread from main threads pool to do the rez<br /> [12:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It fires immediately when state_entry finishes<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: ...<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: Util.FireAndForget(x =&gt;<br /> {<br /> Quaternion wrot = rot;<br /> wrot.Normalize();<br /> [12:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I am just trying to get a yes or no answer<br /> [12:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Is this a bug or not?<br /> [12:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Expected or not?<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: you are asking about unclear timing relations<br /> [12:15] Web Rain: i think the problem is the order of the execution and the events availability when the state_entry is runing...<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: and those are not at all well defined<br /> [12:15] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: As it saysd in the bug report, it doesn;t matter how long of a delay I put between the 2 rez operations. object_rez doesn;t fire until state_entry finishes, and then fires immediately<br /> [12:15] Web Rain: state_entry is not the best place to fire the things<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: well each rez also has a predeined delay<br /> [12:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Web it's the only good place when you use states<br /> [12:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: rez zstuff on state_entry, delete the stuff on state_exit<br /> [12:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I do that, I'm just using a different method to get the rezzed objects UUIDs<br /> [12:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: as a workaround.<br /> [12:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Back to the mesh dome and prim linkset.<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: ohh<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: and anohter thing you are missing<br /> [12:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Is it normal to go to 30 when linked and back to 2 LI unlinked? I just haven't seen that before. Happens even if I set the mesh to Physics Type None<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: a script only has one event running at any given moment<br /> [12:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit I think that rings the bell<br /> [12:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: explains it<br /> [12:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK it has to finish that event first<br /> [12:18] Lyr Lobo: great<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: so.. yes.. object_rez(key id) will only will run AFTER leaving entry..<br /> [12:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: llListen must buffer the incoming messages while other threads are running<br /> [12:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK thanks for explainning.. That m,akes a lot more sense now<br /> [12:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The LI change 2 -&gt; 30 from linking was something I thought only happened in SL but maybe I'm wring<br /> [12:20] Lyr Lobo thanks everyone and tiptoes out<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: yeha scritps do not have internal multitask..<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: only one event at a time<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Lyr. See you again next week.<br /> [12:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Have you see that before in OS or is there a reference somewhere on how LI changes with linking<br /> [12:20] Web Rain: @++ Lyr :)<br /> [12:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: take care Lyr<br /> [12:21] Ubit Umarov: well LI in opensim is just indicative<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: and at sl it also has &quot;strange&quot; jumps<br /> [12:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: much stranger in SL<br /> [12:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The nubmber made sense. It was a 30-object model in Blender and I joined them into one, optimized, uploaded with a Cube physics shape<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: prims without mesh have li of 1 mostly<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: then with mesh get value for the mesh..<br /> [12:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: But it was 1LI everywhere, until I linked it to a regular flat cylinder and made the mesh Physics None<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: but only if some other things are in action..<br /> [12:23] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and the 2 prims became 30 LI<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: i had a little car with torus<br /> [12:23] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no physics, no textures, glow, scripts<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: was fine.. less than 30 li... all things counted just as prims<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: i did set one prim to shape type none... all the torus where counted as mesh, not prims...<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: li went skyhigh.. the car to the trash<br /> [12:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ive seen a simple regular blow up to 100s of LI by going physical<br /> [12:24] Web Rain: about linksets, the viewer shows wrong link numbers :(<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: terhe is no protocol to tell number of prims<br /> [12:25] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Yeah you have to use a script to get the right numbers<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: viewers have to count the lludp packets<br /> [12:25] Web Rain: but the links are corrects<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: and keep the count right with changes..<br /> [12:26] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I think that ay have been fixed in a recent FS update, I have recently checked and it's been reportig correct<br /> [12:26] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: after years of not<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: same abotu link number<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: viewer will assign a number based on the order he got the lludp packet<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: that has not relation to the sending order<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: has no...<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: so those things wil only work on a very good internet weather<br /> [12:27] Web Rain: no FS7 for me :( there is a way to disable PBR in it?<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: no pbr is integral part of 7<br /> [12:28] Web Rain: i have the same under localhost so, i don't think the quality of the web is involved<br /> [12:28] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: i have PBR blocked on mine. It's still slower.<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: actual inside same machine udp can be lost<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: or lose order<br /> [12:28] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: You can effectively block PBR in preferences<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: no<br /> [12:29] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: no?<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: the rendering engine was changed for pbr<br /> [12:29] Web Rain: ha cool! i have just a poor i5 i don't want to burn it hihihi<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: and that is what has the impact..<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: evne if you hide processing of some pbr<br /> [12:29] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Right. You aren't disabling PBR, just supprerssing diaplaying it<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [12:30] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: That does help somewhat for a slower computer but still slower than 6.x<br /> [12:30] Web Rain: there is a way (in theory) to replace UDP with TCP?<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: why ? tcp is slower<br /> [12:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm guessing thats what they are doing with the mobile viewer<br /> [12:31] Ubit Umarov: gooble did even replace tcp by udp on http/3<br /> [12:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: in SL<br /> [12:31] Ubit Umarov: well not pure udp...<br /> [12:31] Web Rain: yep but can be SSLed XD<br /> [12:31] Ubit Umarov: like lludp is not pure udp<br /> [12:32] Ubit Umarov: gooble? google :)<br /> [12:32] Web Rain: blue boxes, script IMs...<br /> [12:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: SSL is an order of magnitude more data going through the wire for the same end result<br /> [12:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So inly makes sense when data has sensitive info<br /> [12:33] Web Rain: yep agree but a bit more data is cheap as price for the security<br /> [12:33] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: more data makes a platform inaccessible to more than it helps<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: not sure if ssl is that much more data, not couting the negociation<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: it is a lot more CPU usage..<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: in many cases data is just the same<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: depending on the used cypher<br /> [12:34] Web Rain: yep there is +/- 125ms add to the things times<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: the old basic one was just XOR<br /> [12:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: data throughput is the limiting factor for many grid owners<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: wel negotiation adds more data and a few more roundtrips<br /> [12:35] Ubit Umarov: also connections to other sites<br /> [12:35] Ubit Umarov: to validate the cert chain<br /> [12:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: there are SSL-specific DoS issues<br /> [12:36] Ubit Umarov: ofc webrtc enforces ssl bahh<br /> [12:36] Web Rain: about this! is possible to directly use let's encrypt cert but there is a permissions problem because the cert are owned by root and must stay<br /> [12:36] Ubit Umarov: damm religions<br /> [12:37] Ubit Umarov: only some can use let's<br /> [12:37] Ubit Umarov: you need to own the domain<br /> [12:37] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: pay for SSL certs<br /> [12:37] Ubit Umarov: yeah and per year...<br /> [12:37] Web Rain: yes i know ^^ is for this the selfsigned kung-fu hihihi<br /> [12:38] Web Rain: but robust can run under valid certs<br /> [12:38] Ubit Umarov: webrtc forbids selfsigned<br /> [12:38] Ubit Umarov: ( and everything is changing to forbid it also )<br /> [12:38] Web Rain: there is 5 or 6 free certs providers now<br /> [12:39] Ubit Umarov: well discord moved away form ssl<br /> [12:39] Ubit Umarov: they use other lighter encript schema<br /> [12:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Discord's user agreement is has unsatisfactory privacy for a that kind of service<br /> [12:40] Ubit Umarov: bc ssl on voice just does not scale<br /> [12:40] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: They make money selling user data, it's been documented in YT videos<br /> [12:40] Web Rain: i used certbot that automatically create and renew the certs when is time to do<br /> [12:40] Ubit Umarov: its just wasted CO2<br /> [12:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: hey I need to go folks.. Thank you for answering my questions<br /> [12:41] Ubit Umarov: you know that if you do not pay $ for a service, you are paying with your data<br /> [12:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Have a great week!<br /> [12:41] Andrew Hellershanks: I was about to say it is time to wrap things up for today. We are well past the half hour past the hour mark.<br /> [12:41] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/User:Tess_Juel 2023-05-23T18:41:24Z

<p>Kcozens: Creating user page for new user.</p> <hr /> <div></div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-04-11 2023-04-11T19:19:36Z

<p>Kcozens: New meeting entry</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:04] Arielle Popstar: so on the new beta viewer from FS I am getting millions of warning in the logs saying this when i am on my one varregion<br /> [11:04] Lyr Lobo: Hello *Grins*<br /> [11:04] Arielle Popstar: 2023-04-11T17:59:15Z WARNING #Terrain# newview/llvlcomposition.cpp(382) LLVLComposition::generateTexture : Base texture comps != input texture comps<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:04] Arielle Popstar: it uses up all available hardrive space<br /> [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: get a bigger drive<br /> [11:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: it bloats the database<br /> [11:05] Arielle Popstar: :)<br /> [11:05] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: no.. that is a bad texture<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: no idea how<br /> [11:05] Lyr Lobo: which version are you on for the fs beta, Arielle?<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: i mena a bad texture for terrain<br /> [11:05] Lyr Lobo: I am not getting any errors<br /> [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or make a script tat deletes log entries as fast as they are written<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: 64.6.6.10.68758<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: only see it in the log<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: maybe just one with alpha when terrain has no alpha<br /> [11:07] Lyr Lobo: yes<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: C:\Users\****\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\logs<br /> [11:07] Kayaker Magic: I've been meaning to write some code that finds the objects that have those bad textures in them.<br /> [11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that would be really useful<br /> [11:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Either fix the terrain textures or let Firestorm know to better handle the issue in their code to stop spamming the log<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: wel is this case bad means bad for that use<br /> [11:08] Arielle Popstar: standard terrain textures<br /> [11:08] Arielle Popstar: it is a varregion<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: but now that is a warning..<br /> [11:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I still get frequent console errors like [Materials]: request for unknown material ID: [UUID]<br /> [11:08] Arielle Popstar: only started having the issue on this last versin<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: a script to find those would be useful<br /> [11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you report this to the FS folks?<br /> [11:09] Arielle Popstar: sort of but because it is only on Opensim they of course blame opensim<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: not easy.. material ids are deep buried in textureEntry data<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the FS error is something different, hard to tell if it is a client issue or not<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: ( not a error a warning.. details.. ;) )<br /> [11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The error message tells you exactly the line number of the source where the error occured: newview/llvlcomposition.cpp(382)<br /> [11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The first thing is to check if there are changes to this file or new code that affects this file<br /> [11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: which is an FS developer job<br /> [11:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Don't recall OpenSim changing anything on terrain texture delivery in a while<br /> [11:11] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, to find an object with a known texture UUID, you have to read every object out of the assets, unpack the textureEntry, convert it from binary to hex, then compare.<br /> [11:12] Kayaker Magic: Too bad OpenSim doesn't have a relational database to find things in.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: compare.... per prim face :)<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or use the Edit window on every face of every object and check each<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: it would be suicidal to store those things as columns on a db<br /> [11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Cuga, your drink script make you look manic<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: in fact we already do have a ton of useless columns<br /> [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yeah I drink too much coffeee lol<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: even main code only keeps a binary serielize3d texture entry strucure<br /> [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: set the draw distance very low and then move around while watching console... when error appears then it's something in that draw distance<br /> [11:14] Arielle Popstar: missing your mouth, o wonder :)<br /> [11:14] Arielle Popstar: no wonder<br /> [11:15] Arielle Popstar: how do i activate the console for the viewer?<br /> [11:15] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I was meaning the console error for bad texture, different issue from your Arielle<br /> [11:15] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: server console<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: like on menu developer-&gt;consoles-&gt; console ?<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: yes but which one Ubit<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: the one you want<br /> [11:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Debug console<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: whats the warning for?<br /> [11:16] Lyr Lobo: ctrl shift 3 for textures and 4 for debug<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: still the number of components one?<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: ok seeing it here too<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ooh lots of warning :)<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: every second<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: anyone else of fs?<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: newest?<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: well here bill also used a land textures that viewers do not like<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: seeing it on the latest FS public release too<br /> [11:18] Lyr Lobo: i am<br /> [11:18] Arielle Popstar: ok good so not just me<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: in this case think is one that is not just a power of two side size<br /> [11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am seeing a bunch of error messages of textures with dimension 192x192<br /> [11:18] Arielle Popstar: how big are your log files<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: yes that gavin.Hird<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but everything seems to be fine :)<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: bill decided to use that &quot;odd&quot; size and viewers do not like it<br /> [11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the like pwoers of 2<br /> [11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: powers*<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: doesnt the texture upload force a power of 2 size at upload time?<br /> [11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not really<br /> [11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe now<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I thought it did rezizing down to nearest power of 2<br /> [11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but not historically<br /> [11:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ah, so textures uploaded long ago might not be power of 2<br /> [11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yeah, or even 2048x2048<br /> [11:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that size is allowed now<br /> [11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it makes all kinds of oddities in the viewer code<br /> [11:22] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it may or may not work<br /> [11:22] Arielle Popstar: so anyone else who seeing the scrolling warning have a huge log file in this location? C:\Users\aielle\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\logs<br /> [11:22] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no<br /> [11:22] Arielle Popstar: your own computername of course<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: you on FS Gavin?<br /> [11:23] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: of course not :-)<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: i did qualify it by saying firestorm users<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: :)<br /> [11:23] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I think the FS beta logs warnings but public release does not? I don't see a big log growing<br /> [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but I do see warnings on debug console<br /> [11:24] Arielle Popstar: ok<br /> [11:25] Arielle Popstar: am i the only one on beta?&gt;<br /> [11:25] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Some of us aren't in the holy circle that is allowed betas<br /> [11:25] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: prolly<br /> [11:26] Arielle Popstar: just have to ask them and we used to have a link here in the meeting to download it<br /> [11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: beta is beta for a reason. Check with the FS team if there has been made code changes in that soruce file<br /> [11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the exact location where it spergs out is in the error message<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: what is the texture you are using that causes that warning arielle ??<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: i am seeing it here Ubit so take your pick<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not seeing that on my own var region<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Perhaps its your avatar?<br /> [11:29] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It could be a texture on any of our avatars or in the sim<br /> [11:29] Arielle Popstar: if you are on that beta viewer you should see it too<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: im on beta<br /> [11:29] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: can be seen without FS beta if you open the debug console<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: my log file here now is like 9MB<br /> [11:30] Arielle Popstar: did you open your own console Vincent assuming you are on FS?<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Debug console yes<br /> [11:30] Arielle Popstar: and not seeing it?<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I see it once I get here<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: yeah fun flood<br /> [11:30] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm not too worried about it<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: well this one may also have alpga<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well easy to test, if you see it everywhere you go chances high its your avatar<br /> [11:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: could be something that one of us are wearing<br /> [11:31] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not if she sees it in her var region<br /> [11:32] Arielle Popstar: i just changed my entire outfit before i came here<br /> [11:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh you see it there too?<br /> [11:32] Arielle Popstar: yes<br /> [11:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: using a mesh avatar?<br /> [11:32] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that is where she discovered it<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Avatars causing problems spamming things is nothing new. Used to have issues with constant rebakes some of us remember the avfactory console spam<br /> [11:32] Arielle Popstar: with different outfit, body, head<br /> [11:33] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that was because of oversize textures Vincent<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Possibly bad bake trying to upload a texture to the region since bakes are done by viewer mostly and BOM can be a mess<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: try Ruthing yourself and see if it goes away<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: might be issue with more than one item worn<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: just a guess<br /> [11:35] Arielle Popstar: still seeing it<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: could be one of use here too<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: stay after end of meeting and keep track of who leaves... and see when warnings disappear<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Guess we'll know that once the meeting is over<br /> [11:36] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I am on FS6.6.3 and got a short burst of that same error, but just a burst<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One of us is the big bad wolf hiding in sheeps clothing or corrupt clothing I suppose<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: errr this may also be arielle bakes<br /> [11:37] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: seem like something not to be too concerned about<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: are you using that lanini &quot;bom&quot; thing?<br /> [11:37] Arielle Popstar: i wasnt when i was a base avatar<br /> [11:37] Arielle Popstar: oh the blank avatar?<br /> [11:37] Arielle Popstar: no<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: well that &quot;bom&quot; also causes warnings like this<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: in fact did cause viewer crash<br /> [11:38] Arielle Popstar: you're talking the blank avatar?<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: when one of those warnings was a fatal error<br /> [11:38] Arielle Popstar: never experienced that when i used it but that was ages ago<br /> [11:38] Arielle Popstar: was to get rid of clouds<br /> [11:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that would help find it by process of elimination<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: can you change to just a ruth avatar to test arielle?<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: i mean system avatar<br /> [11:39] Arielle Popstar: i Just did a couple minutes ago Ubit<br /> [11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how humiliating<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: lol gavin :)<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: didnt you see?<br /> [11:40] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I got a burst of the message when I returned<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: no i had console off<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: several said they saw the same error regardless<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: well maybe someone here<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: i did suspect the land... but already messed it :)<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: so guess it is one avatar here<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: well or can be.. that silly &quot;bom&quot; was one cause<br /> [11:41] Lyr Lobo: I'll leave and come back. Doubt that it is me, but a test<br /> [11:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: could be me<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: or could be all of us<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Personally I wouldn;t worry about it too much<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: ( one can't put a baked texure on a meh.. they do have diferent components,<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: bigger fish to fry<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: one of the baked texture components is a bump map<br /> [11:42] Arielle Popstar: well it is non deleting log file<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did notice my log file being big about a week or so definitely been going on for a while<br /> [11:42] Arielle Popstar: it will be a prob if they release it like that<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: can you turn off console logging on beta?<br /> [11:43] Arielle Popstar: how would i do that?<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is something in settings to prevent certain errors from showing<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: ok all get naked<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: LOL<br /> [11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: set log level<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: nah not naked<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: from the Develop menu<br /> [11:44] Arielle Popstar: log level was set to Info<br /> [11:44] Lyr Lobo: no error on my region in debug console<br /> [11:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Set it to error and it stops<br /> [11:44] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can leave and come back<br /> [11:44] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: None of that error when you came back<br /> [11:44] Lyr Lobo: my firestorm.log stopped gaining ... it gained 8 GB of data while we were talking about it...stopped on my region<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Purging cash to a max of 2147483648 bytes ??<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: cash -&gt; cache<br /> [11:44] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Be right back<br /> [11:46] Lyr Lobo: I'm using two custom textures on my region terrain and no problems with them<br /> [11:46] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: not getting that error when on my sim<br /> [11:46] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: 192x192<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: Just gota sudden flood of texture messages as Motoko appeared. Something got triggerdd.<br /> [11:46] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: o_0 moi?<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: Ohh nm this one tells terrain<br /> [11:47] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I can tp out and come back...<br /> [11:47] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I got this message when Cuga came back:<br /> [11:47] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hopping away for a sec<br /> [11:47] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: WARNING # llimagej2coj/llimagej2coj.cpp(203) decodeImpl : trying to decode more channels than are present in image: numcomps: 3 first_channel: 4<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Motoko, We have been looking in to some console messages that seem a bit odd, or excessive.<br /> [11:47] Lyr Lobo: logging out to test my fs log and if it changes<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So far seems those avatars are fine<br /> [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so probalby an image that has a header that flags there is alpha in it, but there is no actual data for it<br /> [11:48] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Just got a burst on the 192x192 error<br /> [11:48] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: and another<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: I have &quot;Base texture comps != input texture comps&quot; messages scrolling by like crazy.<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: is that on debug or texture console Orbert?<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: same Andrew<br /> [11:49] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: ctrl-shift-4, whichever that is<br /> [11:49] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: texture issues are all over opensim, as long as it isn;t causing lag or crashes i wouldn;t worry too much.<br /> [11:49] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The console logging ios more of the problem imho<br /> [11:49] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Another burst<br /> [11:50] Arielle Popstar: debug<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, If they are going to console only they can be ignored but if they are also going to the log file they will blow up the size of the log files.<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 7gb worth of log file yikes<br /> [11:50] Lyr Lobo: ok my log copied to firestorm.old with 10.688 GB in it, and firestorm.log refreshed to 38 kb<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but only FS beta is logging them<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: ahh<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: mine doesnt do that<br /> [11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I got a burst of thos too now<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: my log is 2.8 MB<br /> [11:51] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I am running an old release 6.6.3<br /> [11:51] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Another burst<br /> [11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: My viewer logs it too now<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: nod i didnt have the issue on previous versions with the log file growing so big<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: yeah fun thing<br /> [11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: FS 6.6.8 release shows the warning in console but not logging it<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: i did replace all land textures<br /> [11:53] Arielle Popstar: so whether it logs or not, it would hit the performance of the viewer with the contstant warning<br /> [11:53] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Another burst<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If it's not mesh on this region it's an avatar, but I doubt many regions share stuff that's here so if that happens on other regions the likelihood of it being the avatar itself is high<br /> [11:53] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: again a burst<br /> [11:53] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: and again<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: ok change them all again<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: see if you still get it when empty sim<br /> [11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The last thin my old viewer code logged before it started floowing the message was:<br /> [11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 2023-04-11T18:48:11Z INFO #Avatar# newview/llvoavatar.cpp(3057) LLVOAvatar::idleUpdateLoadingEffect : Avatar 'Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002' textured other isFullyLoaded, mFirstFullyVisible<br /> [11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so possibly something Moto is wearing<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: I don't get it on a near empty sim Cuga<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: was testing it<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: nahh that message is abotu terrain<br /> [11:54] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: .•*♥´¨`•BRB •´¨`♥*•.<br /> [11:54] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I'll change my outfit...<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: and a var region<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I mean here on empty sim<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: after meeting<br /> [11:54] Lyr Lobo: Hi Motoko<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Still going<br /> [11:55] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I was still seeing it when Moto was gone<br /> [11:55] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: could be one of the NPCs<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Empty region test is a good idea<br /> [11:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Arielle are you sure the problem wasn;t there last week?<br /> [11:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: might have been here all along and only noticed now bc of the logging<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: well by debug fs decided to compile it all over<br /> [11:56] Arielle Popstar: last week? It wasnt on the last stable release nor the previous betas<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: my cpu is hot hot and will take ages :)<br /> [11:57] Arielle Popstar: at least with the logging<br /> [11:57] Arielle Popstar: thats why i noticed it<br /> [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Ariel, my old viewer code that is ages old logs the same<br /> [11:57] Lyr Lobo smiles and nods<br /> [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Not more messages when Moto came back<br /> [11:57] Arielle Popstar: yes well the warning might be continuous but for me the issue now id the logging file<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: im getting them<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: What the log file logs is defined in some settings file somewhere<br /> [11:58] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok... one more time.. will revert my avatar<br /> [11:58] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: if (tex_comps != st_comps)<br /> {<br /> LL_WARNS(&quot;Terrain&quot;) &lt;&lt; &quot;Base texture comps != input texture comps&quot; &lt;&lt; LL_ENDL;<br /> return FALSE;<br /> }<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: is the only place i see that on fs sources<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so likely a terrain tex issue<br /> [11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: once you returned Moto it logged this:<br /> [11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 2023-04-11T18:58:56Z WARNING # llimagej2coj/llimagej2coj.cpp(203) decodeImpl : trying to decode more channels than are present in image: numcomps: 3 first_channel: 4<br /> 2023-04-11T18:58:57Z WARNING # llimagej2coj/llimagej2coj.cpp(203) decodeImpl : trying to decode more channels than are present in image: numcomps: 3 first_channel: 4<br /> 2023-04-11T18:58:57Z WARNING # llimagej2coj/llimagej2coj.cpp(203) decodeImpl : trying to decode more channels than are present in image: numcomps: 3 first_channel: 4<br /> [11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so there is a texture the appearst to have 4 channels, but only has data for 3<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I think the FS beta logging all the warnings is bigger problem than the nature of the warning<br /> [12:00] Arielle Popstar: well my FPS is sucky too<br /> [12:00] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Mine has been fine<br /> [12:00] Arielle Popstar: less then 10 and i should be around 55+<br /> [12:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: fps fine here too. *bad beta*<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: oh<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ubit is right<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: ctrl alt shift 5<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Turns terrain patches on and off<br /> [12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is bursting again<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: well terrain is all blank now<br /> [12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: 2023-04-11T19:01:04Z WARNING #Terrain# newview/llvlcomposition.cpp(360) generateTexture : Base texture comps != input texture comps<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: error goes away once they are turned off<br /> [12:01] Jagga Meredith: even without logging could impact us with slower clients like this tired old laptop<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: and keeps doing it<br /> [12:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is logging 2023-04-11T19:01:04Z INFO # newview/llviewerregion.cpp(850) processRegionInfo : Processing region info<br /> [12:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: before the bursting starts<br /> [12:02] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: tc Selby<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:02] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: cya selby<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ubit set all the low high values the same see if that does anything<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: now reports because number of componets on blank is 0 and it wants 3<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: The hour has gone by quickly today. We are just past the top of the hour. Does anyone have some question/comment about something other than logging issues?<br /> [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I was still seeing 192x192 warning after ctrl alt shift 5<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah that's an avatar texture or something<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: i changed all them to blank<br /> [12:04] Arielle Popstar: me too<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I filed a mantis this week about llGiveInventoryList()<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: does not update inventory, when giving items to HG avatars using My Suitcase<br /> [12:04] Jagga Meredith: leaving.. lemme know if something buggy on my avatar<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: until relog<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, ok. Do you remember the mantis number?<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: 9070<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but problem only for HG avatars using My Suitcase<br /> [12:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: a few others have confirmed.. But problem doesnt show up for OSGrid avatars<br /> [12:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: since they donlt use My Suitcase<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so issue is in My Suitcase code or lsl code, guessing<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: easy to reproduce<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, thanks for the report.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... is Ubit coming back?<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: probably<br /> [12:09] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a great week yall<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Yup. Here he is.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. You too.<br /> [12:10] Arielle Popstar: did it stop when ubit jumped away?<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: As there isn't any other last minute items I'll close the meeting for today.<br /> [12:10] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Take care *waves*<br /> [12:10] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye Jamie<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: well i will try to debug this texture warning, now that i see it<br /> [12:10] Lyr Lobo waves<br /> [12:10] Kayaker Magic: Buy all!<br /> [12:11] Arielle Popstar: sorry to take up the meeting with one issue<br /> [12:11] Kayaker Magic: Waves! And Beaches!<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-01-24 2023-01-24T21:56:26Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:00] Lyr Lobo smiles and waves<br /> [11:00] Lyr Lobo: Hello<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... In this new version of FS Vincent and Lyr are clouds<br /> [11:01] Lyr Lobo: Hello *grins*<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: oops Andrew already here.. im realy late<br /> [11:01] Lyr Lobo: ah i'll rebake<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Took a while for them to rez.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks grins at Ubit<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: new fs does now improve betwork<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: betwork?<br /> [11:02] Lyr Lobo grins<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: well can be a name for network .:)<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby<br /> [11:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: H everyonne<br /> [11:03] Lyr Lobo: Hello Selby!<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: welcome everyone<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: Selby!<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: out 406 assets<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: outch<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: you got fat vincent.Sylvester<br /> [11:04] Lyr Lobo: aww<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: well where 406 assets from zeta<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably what little mesh I wear or something<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: dunno ended almost after i typed<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hasn't been much going on this week, some minor cosmetics or sugar as you like to call that<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I spent mostly doing maintenance stuff so haven't done much code<br /> [11:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did find something in the loginservice I may fix up later<br /> [11:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Once I understand how it actually works<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: yeah on code changes.. just some cosmetics on dotnet6<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't have the dotnet6 branch checked out so I didn't see any changes this week.<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The port stuff yeah<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: well changed the Const pulbic port to 9000, since default example is for a standalone, and 9000 elsewhere<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: wel that was the other week already<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I saw that mentioned last week<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: yes.. was last. week<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: meanwhile i did browe around fs code on profiles<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: and found a the cause for the fail<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, excellent<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: sent info to Beq.. so we should get it fixed on next release or beta<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Motoko<br /> [11:12] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Hihi Andrew... Hi everyone...<br /> [11:12] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: sorry for the tardiness... :)<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: np<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: ipfc Beq had done most the recovery for our profiles.. the issue i spoted was a minor significant detail :)<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: The problem is just due to some change in FS?<br /> [11:14] Lyr Lobo greets Motoko<br /> [11:15] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002 waves<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: ll changed the entire profiles code, as i told on other meetings<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: I remember<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: Beq had to recover all the old one, lludp etc<br /> [11:16] Jagga Meredith: is this something other grids should be aware of?<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: we did lost interest lists etc<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: this meeting is abotu all grids<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: osgrid is just host<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:18] Jagga Meredith: reworded - will it affect other grids, how to avoid?<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: keep older fs<br /> [11:18] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:18] Lyr Lobo chuckles<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: until that new one is release<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: those breakings changes where on last fs release<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: well possible other viewers also<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Other viewers will be affected if they have picked up the recent changes in the LL viewer code<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: currently im not following others, like dayturn, alch etc<br /> [11:19] Jagga Meredith: i'm on 6.6.8.68380. am I OK?<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: yes<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and they will need to do that for sl<br /> [11:20] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Jagga: look at somebody's profile picks, that will answer your question<br /> [11:20] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: If they work, you are ok<br /> [11:20] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: so.. some work needed.. or just copy and paste Beq's ( with mention hopefully )<br /> [11:22] Jagga Meredith: got a loading spinny<br /> [11:22] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: All you'll get<br /> [11:22] Jagga Meredith: k<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Similar issue on the Notes tab<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: yes picks and notes<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: and as i said, interests tabs gone<br /> [11:23] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:23] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Hihi Jamie<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: hi jamie.Jordan<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, no Interests tab but there is a Feed tab now.<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: that was there already called web i think<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: ah, ok. Just a name change.<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think we even have caps for that to show something there<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: I do see info on that tab<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: ahh online info only works for friends<br /> [11:26] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Jamie<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: evne if you are in from of the person<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: you can see they added also friends rights<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: just after the name on profile<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: now you need &quot;see online&quot; right to get online green<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: viewer side filter<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: even standing in front of the avatar, as i said<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: so NPCs, alwways offlne :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: duhh<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Kinda redundant and it uses different icons than on the friendslist, I can hear the screams of a UI/UX designer<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: we need ask Beq to fix that<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: i think we do send filtered online ???<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: well mb not.. that is really heavy..<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: to fetch all friends and rights<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Some might call it a privacy issue to say online status if not in ones friends list.<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: anyways.. it is still broken<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: yes it is<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: but on profiles we could see it .. since ever.. if i remember<br /> [11:30] Jagga Meredith: will that break online indicators?<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: guess only that info display on profile<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: ofc at least, if no right to see the entire word sould vanish, not nbe red there<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: oops<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: i don't see it on non friends now<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: so ok.. better<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Add HG into the mix and all bets are off, online in presence, 12, reported online true in griduser 287 lol<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: hmm then possible is is fixed already on this last release<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: nahh<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: ppl online on friends list do show up offline on profile<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: odd<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have learned to just disregard that by now<br /> [11:34] Jagga Meredith: that's been going on for awhile<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably wouldn't notice if it suddenly started working properly<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: yes since same code changes<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: hmm at least..<br /> [11:35] Jagga Meredith: years<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: nahh ?? years??<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: i think that was fine on older fs<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: well i no longer have it on this machine<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: ok ill take a look to what we do send<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think I kept most of the installers of the last couple years somewhere on a drive<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even have that one from april fools somewhere still I think, the one which made the floaters detached from the main viewer window<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Some of the older FS ones are still available on their website<br /> [11:39] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: would love to be able to have separate windows....from the main viewer<br /> [11:39] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ^_^<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: well i did add a extra<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: if on same region force online<br /> if (p != null &amp;&amp; !p.IsDeleted)<br /> flags |= 0x10;<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: bc we did had a issue on that yes<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: ok so yeah guess it is a old isseu<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: since i did add that on region check<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: so those at least do show right<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I recall for the agent data there were issues with the caching also, not returning correct data after some time, though that was fixed years ago<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Has me wonder if the whole friends and online code hasn't been properly tested when it was written<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: there is region change<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: a change made on other region may take a bit to showup<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: i mean there is a region CACHE :)<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Also run into issues if you fill the request queue up with &quot;is online&quot; requests from dead endpoints, might take a while for the rest to process then<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, Hm... another &quot;magic number&quot;. Is there no pre-defined constant for that flag that can get used instead of 0x10?<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Had a user with 800 friends and half were from grids no longer existing, clogged up the pipes real good<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: yeah we should change that to a enum<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: if we do have one..<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: guess we don't<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: I can't easily check these days. Something changed on my machine and I can't run monodevelop any more as it can't find a library that is installed on the machine.<br /> [11:50] Jagga Meredith: PATH?<br /> [11:50] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: To Vincent's problem: is there any kind of repository or cache that keeps track of the various grids, last time they connected, etc.? Is there somehow that we could ping a grid to see if it is online easily and accurately?<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: No idea. It seems to do some checks for the library using a valid path according to ltrace.<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Is all xmlrpc so if you know their address you can request gridinfo, if that responds you know it is there<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's how that known grids list on the ZetaWorlds website works<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: some operations to other grids are locally cached<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Orbert. Didn't see you arrive as you are behind my chat window.<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: sadly several things need short expire<br /> [11:52] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I like hiding :)<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: https://zetaworlds.com/knowngrids<br /> [11:52] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Thank you Vincent<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: outch lots of red there<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Sadly removing dead friends is really difficult without access to database<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: ohh what is my test one doing there?<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: guess it went there on the meetings we had at Zeta?<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We also did tests on things<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For that uri alias<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: yeha guess we did yes<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: I hope that page knows when it last checked the existance ofa grid so it doesn't do the check(s) every time the page is loaded.<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It checks hourly that page just fetches the data from that<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: my edge gave up getting colors?<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: most are jsut white<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably has some sort of hard limit on how many async js calls it will run<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: Chrome gave up after getting in to the G's<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: oh some red in middle of the whit<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I tried doing a fetch of all the data all at once in one large array, but that just didn't work at all due to size limits somewhere<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: javascript is pain<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: white may just mean no curent information, but the name<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If it has no data shows as red, probably just doesn't want to do 4000+ async http request calls heh<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: The page should store the results in a DB and only refresh the info for a given grid when the data is more than a day (or week) old.<br /> [11:59] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Firefox has everything red or green, plus some shading on a few<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the top of the hour. Before I wrap up todays meeting, Jagga has a couple of items. The floor is yours, Jagga.<br /> [12:02] Lyr Lobo smiles<br /> [12:02] Jagga Meredith: 2 things<br /> [12:02] Jagga Meredith: 1. In the box in between me and Andrew is a landmark to my Orientation region on Aviworlds. It goes all the way from basic movement to building to advanced scripting. <br /> It's basically finished except some code cleanup in particles. Feel free to have a look - offer suggestions.<br /> [12:02] Jagga Meredith: 2. Trying to code a bowling pin. It detects the ball and I've got the ground detection but the movement is clumsy. Any suggestions?<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: What are you using for movement?<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Setting the pin to physical and getting hit by a moving sphere doesn't get the right effect?<br /> [12:04] Jagga Meredith: llsetpos<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: ubode physics bouce will always mk it lose energy, so stop<br /> [12:04] Jagga Meredith: nope needs to fall over<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: setpos has a delay in it<br /> [12:04] Jagga Meredith: ah<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: primitiveparamsfast prim_pos might work a little better<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Else keyframe it<br /> [12:05] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: see ?<br /> [12:05] Jagga Meredith: yup<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: It will be tricky to use KFM as multiple scenareios would be needed.<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can also adjust the physics parameters of the object, things like how much grip it has sliding across<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: thats to mk sure all things do stop after a while<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: How much bounce you get and so on<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: and do not stay burning cpu for no reason<br /> [12:06] Jagga Meredith: yup thats what I'm demonstrating<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: You can stop the pin movement after the sweeper thing comes down to clear the pin area.<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Physics are not on rails, I have a freefall tower on my region that depending on how many sit on it or just due to cpu spike somewhere never reaches the same spot either<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: this is bounce with both set to 1 bounciness<br /> [12:08] Jagga Meredith: k<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: hmm no idea why it gets silly after a while<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: compound rounding errors, it's physics, it's always rounding errors :)<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: hmm ok &quot;tunnel effect&quot;<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: or not<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: grrr<br /> [12:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's very amusing to look at though<br /> [12:11] Jagga Meredith: thanks. gotta run go bowling RL<br /> [12:11] Jagga Meredith: mesmerizing<br /> [12:11] Lyr Lobo: Thanks!<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jagga. Good luck with it.<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Sounds like a fun project<br /> [12:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I once tried to make a water slide thing fully physical, but the randomness in physics meant every other run down it ended up flung halfway across the region instead<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you want things to behave in certain ways you have to play with applyimpulse and others<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Force it to behave itself<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: hope you put down a soft landing area over there for that odd time someone got flung there. :)<br /> [12:13] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: bye<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby<br /> [12:13] Lyr Lobo: Thank you! bye Selby<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: i also need rum to rl<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: run<br /> [12:13] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Peace Selby, Ubit<br /> [12:13] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: bye selby<br /> [12:13] Lyr Lobo: bye Ubit<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: cya later<br /> [12:13] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: cya ubit<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. In that case I'll call this gathering to a close.<br /> [12:13] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: heh..<br /> [12:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think it would work quite well if I changed all the colliding parts to not have seams where their triangles meet and then set the vehicle to only have points for collisions not entire faces<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... I should make that a gesture to save me typing it out every week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-01-17 2023-01-17T20:11:50Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>[11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone<br /> [11:01] Lyr Lobo: Heya *grins*<br /> [11:01] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002 is online.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll wait for Selby to arrive before we get started.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.<br /> [11:03] Lyr Lobo: Hello Jaimes and Selby ...gerest to see you<br /> [11:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:03] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:03] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Hello, all<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Just as I was about to log in here I saw a message that there is a new(er) version of Firestorm. I didn't have time to download it so I'm still on the same version as last week.<br /> [11:04] Lyr Lobo: it works well<br /> [11:04] Jagga Meredith: AFK<br /> [11:04] Lyr Lobo: i had issues with the former one and like it...<br /> [11:05] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Good to know<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll get it after the meeting, if I remember to do so.<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: profiles picks and notes still broken here :(<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: and online indication is bad<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: on the profile, i mean<br /> [11:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'm not even sure that did work properly before, not that I pay much attention to that anyways<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: it did work fine<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I recall we did fix the avatar data request for online indicators a long time ago at least<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: it was fine on last, or the the version bf that<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm not noticing an issue with the online indicator at present<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: thing is that, as i said on another meeting, ll decide to put back profiles on viewers<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: and made totally new protocols<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: so with the merge, all the real good profiles code, was lost<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: Beq did recovered a lot of it, but still those problems<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: sadly things like this are to be expected more and more :(<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Why utilize working code when you can break stuff -LL probably<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: fs actually did offer them their code<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: ll ofc, went make owm broken mess<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: so.. abotu code changes...<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: hmm<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Two main changes worth noting, two cosmetic changes, and a change to a default value in the ini file.<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: i modified mysql connector, hopefuly fixing the mariadb 10 issue<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: i changed both versions 6.?? ofr master and 8.0.31 for dotnet6<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: i did avoid the option to change to the mysqlconnector, like vincent did, for now<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: since that would require a lot more testing<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: hmm what else..<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: MariaDB from 10.8 onward requires that, 10.7 was the last working version. 10.10 does work now. I also tested Oracle mysql latest version works as well. Working as in, it starts. There might be some runtime issues still, but I already looked at some things that it could break on so if it does I know where to look<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: added a little safe guard on bullet, preventing a crash<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Don't really have a testing regime to follow so I am just poking around for now, might do larger scale tests later, find some willing participants heh<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: Beq reported that under some conditions, bullet ignores the max collisions parameter and so does try to access a array out of its bounds<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: it will no longer do that, but who knows how damaged is the unmanaged state on that .(<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: hopefuly is a rare situation<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: maybe robert can look to the unmanaged code.. one day..<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: also changed the default PublicPort on opensim.ini Const section to 9000<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: so opensim.ini.example is set for a standalone, as supposed<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: on the respective commits i mistyped it.. i told i did change PrivatePort.. duhh :(<br /> [11:20] Lyr Lobo smiles<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: ofc made a few more cosmetic changes.. one even on master :p<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: vincent did not like that we had some messages with &quot;map tile&quot; instead of &quot;maptile&quot; :)<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In testing the mysql stuff that kept showing up and it irked me lol<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: I suppose one could start a debate as to which is the corrent reference to the tiles used by the map system.<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: ok ill change that to just map<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: &lt;/endofdebate&gt;<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: &quot;picture thingy renderer&quot;<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: I might have gone the way of using the two words vs putting them together. The main thing is consistency, regardless of which version gets used.<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: well only shows up on log files<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: but sure some may try to search so coherency is good<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It kept showing up along other log messages from same module all saying maptile and then at the end map tile... couldn't take my eyes off it<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: One of these things is not like the other.<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: After the whole mysql thing I looked at the design of the connectors and started work looking at other things, integrating mongodb into some parts that made sense, but that's quite the difference in behavior so writing the individual functions is time consuming<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Different structure in document databases so basically can't re-use any code<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: This will likely take some weeks to get done before I can test whether this actually helps with performance in any way<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: wel a nosql db on a sql oriented world<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: sure will work :)<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I hope it turns out to be worth the time.<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: just all the db front ends need to be writen for it<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: some ppl made it for other dns<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: oops dbs<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: like cassandra?<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah framework and generic table handler and then whatever makes sense like groups and avatar data<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Plan is to have a combination of mysql and mongodb each used for what they make the most sense for<br /> [11:34] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is online.<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hoping at least for groups it helps speed that up, cause it's so damn slow<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: welc rhiannon.Chatnoir<br /> [11:35] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Rhiannon<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: (see i didnt told wc now)<br /> [11:35] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hi!<br /> [11:36] Lyr Lobo: Heya Rhiannon!<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: so what news abt opensim do you have?<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: no broken scripts today kayaker ?<br /> [11:37] Kayaker Magic: My scripts don't break!<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: ofc not .. coff coff cofff<br /> [11:38] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I figured I would pop in, plus last week though an online discord event I met board member of the Linux Foundation, who is the lead of the Virtual Worlds &amp; Simulations group that they have as part of their Open Metaverse program https://www.openmv.org/community/foundational-interest-groups/virtual-worlds-and-simulations-fig/ and connected with him after in messages and he wants to set up a time to chat<br /> [11:39] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: brought up AvaCon and OpenSimulator and wanted to mention here in case you want me to mention or keep in mind when i chat with him<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: ty<br /> [11:42] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I think at this point it is a first contact, get to know convo, but I know they focus on open source software and maybe could get some attention our way<br /> [11:42] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: by our, i mean OpenSImulator :)<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Is it just me or is it kinda ironic that a foundation surrounded by open source software would use something as closed source as discord...<br /> [11:42] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: well this is because he came to another groups weekly meeting knowing there was a community there<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Sometimes you just have to go where the people are to be found.<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: and if they do not know about opensimulator by now, what homework did they do?<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:43] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but I do think they also use Discord.. it seems to be the current way folks are cultivating their own communities outside of other social platforms like Facebook/Twitter, etc these days<br /> [11:44] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: i have no idea what their scope of OpenSimulator is.. or not. haven't had that convo yet<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks just remembers a joke he heard by a comedian about YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.<br /> [11:44] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and I approached him<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Rhiannon, should be an interesting conversation.<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: well we all know that meta created the metaverse..<br /> [11:45] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but of course Ubit ;)<br /> [11:45] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 laughs<br /> [11:45] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Urk...<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks laughs<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hopefully not yet another one that when asked to define &quot;metaverse&quot; dumps more buzzwords on you than a crypto bro from twitter at least<br /> [11:46] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: lcukily this perso has been in the games/ virtual world space for awhile .. so not a recent web3 or worse / meta adition<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Sounds promising at least<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: well that list of goals there..<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well our weekly meetings are open so maybe if they have the time they can attend one<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: where fufilled by SL, opensim, sansar, Myspace...<br /> [11:47] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I shared with Lyr, but this is an interivew an IGDA chapter did with him a few months.. he is also director of the O3DE engine, Royal O'Brien is his name<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: hi-fi.. etc etc<br /> [11:47] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD8jViuk7N8<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: oh other foundation?<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: well nm.. thanks Rhiannon.Chatnoir<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: lets see where that can lead us<br /> [11:49] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: they are programs under the Linux Foundations, the Open Metaverse Foundation, which he he leads that virtual worlds/Simulations group and directs that O3DE engine project also part of Linux<br /> [11:49] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: wellt he foundation<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks looks up O3DE<br /> [11:50] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but he is an engineer.. so him attendign could be an thing for sure.. will bring that up<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah. That has been around 18 months.<br /> [11:50] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: https://www.o3de.org/<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Our communication channels are open and as long as Ubit is regularly fed he doesn't bite either :)<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: yeha anohte nice wayu to sell &quot;my game engine&quot; ;)<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: Rhiannon, Hopeit goes well and perhaps we will see Royal here some day soon.<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: lets define protocol.. ohh i actually havea game engine we can you, oyu know?<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:51] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes<br /> [11:51] Lyr Lobo grins<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: but wasn't there a older 03de?<br /> [11:53] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: probably the same? or an evolution of, it is open source engine<br /> [11:53] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but the Linux Foundations goals are about driving open source.. so can't hurt to connect<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: possilbe i kinda remembber seening one<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: sure<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Wikipedia says the initial version of the engine was an updated version of Amazon Lumberyard contributed by Amazon Games.<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: just oyu know me.. all those foundations.. all those &quot;coincidences&quot;<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Can't be any worse than IMA's contributions so far lol<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: and again the same old &quot;herewe are to make it realy wiork&quot;<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: when all, done, sure on close or limited systems<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: but possible that is what &quot;metathing&quot; will ever be<br /> [11:56] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: that interview I linked mentions that transition about 8 minutes in... and how it became involved with Linux and helping them work on getting it to open source.. now under Apache 2 MIT open licnse<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just five minutes before the top of the hour. Is there any other questions/comments for today?<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: Ty rhiannon.Chatnoir<br /> [11:56] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Thanks Rhiannon<br /> [11:56] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: you are welcome.. my pleasure.. hopefully helpful.. we will see what comes of it<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: btw you ppl had issus with version migration for oscc ?<br /> [11:57] Lyr Lobo: Avacon texture assets<br /> [11:57] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: no, we had some issues on our own grid that got in the way of our timelines to update OSCC<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: hmm ok<br /> [11:58] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: between that and a tougher summer that threw some dates off.. our friend living with my partner and I finally passed from Cancer during the summer.. so wasn't a normal year around everything<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: :(<br /> [11:58] Lyr Lobo hugs Rhiannon<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: I reported to Joyce a sort of error message I was getting on logging in to the Avacon grid during the OSCC.<br /> [11:59] Lyr Lobo: The textures on Avacon are not loading for HG visitors, is that it?<br /> [11:59] Lyr Lobo: yes<br /> [12:00] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: well for all, they are loading erratically.. but we also had a harddrive fail.. so though we were able to grab presumably all the data, we have been testing and really seems some errors in the database<br /> [12:00] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: but if you have any hints for me to pass on that would be great<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: That could explain the message I was seeing on login.<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: the magical strange ways of HG...<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Would have to look at that in person most likely, remote diagnosis of such things is never easy<br /> [12:01] Rhiannon.Chatnoir @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: and again, this is on the AvaCOn server.. not the OSCC one<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: ok<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: well both sould work (almost) fine :)<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Logging in directly to the OSCC grid for the event I got an error message saying my inventory was corrupted. It looked ok to me, AFAICT.<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You sure that's not the problem with the folder types again?<br /> [12:05] Lyr Lobo: yes<br /> [12:05] Lyr Lobo: to andrew<br /> [12:05] Lyr Lobo: which problem, Vincent. We're not sure<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Check_inventory_script<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Lyr, I have no idea what caused it. I reported it to Joyce who was going to pass it along. I had not seen that when logging in to the previous OSCC. My inventory appeared to be fine when I looked.<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Now seven past the hour. Any last minute items for today or should I wrap up todays meeting?<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm not seeing anyone typing so I willtake that as a no which will bring this weeks meeting to a close.<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2023-01-17T20:10:30Z

<p>Kcozens: New meeting entry</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2023-01-03 2023-01-03T20:19:53Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I hope you all had a good Christmas and New Years.<br /> [11:02] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: happy belated new years to everyone...<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: I was spending time with the family last Tuesday after lunch and forgot the meeting. The PDA that helped remind me when my mind was on other things died earlier in the year.<br /> [11:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Wonderful<br /> [11:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: the family time, not the PDA fail<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Happy New Year, Motoko! *cheers*<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: &quot;Wonderful&quot; works for both. It is all in how you say the word.<br /> [11:04] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 laughs<br /> [11:04] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Thnx Lyr... wasn't sure if my chat was working.. :)<br /> [11:04] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I can miss meetings in spite of functioning PDAs, phones, and all the rest<br /> [11:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: yes you &quot;sound&quot; great<br /> [11:05] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: haha...^_^<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:05] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: there are still pdas is smartphones age?<br /> [11:05] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Quite clear, Motoko<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: a psion?<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: The PDA I've been using may be old but there isn't anything that really replaces it.<br /> [11:05] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: My old Pilot still works - I pull it out just to make sure about once a year<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Tungsten T5. I'm looking for a &quot;new&quot; old one.<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: I've gone through several. The RAM eventually gives out on me.<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: oh a palm<br /> [11:06] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: My T5 didn't last long either<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: At least that what it seems like.<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: think i still have a palm III somewhere<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, mine lasted a long time. Probably about 10 years or so. Been using one for a very long time. I was on my third, IIRC.<br /> [11:07] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I used to have a sharp Zaurus... wasn't bad... but wasn't good either... battery life was horrible..<br /> [11:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins and nods<br /> [11:07] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: got more use out of a palm-pilot<br /> [11:07] Kayaker Magic: Ohh! Remember &quot;grafiti&quot; the stroke to text system on the Palm? It is available as a keyboard method on the Android phones!<br /> [11:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: never straying far from a charger<br /> [11:07] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: LOL<br /> [11:07] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: truth..<br /> [11:07] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 chuckles and nods<br /> [11:08] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: stupid gestures...<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I used the hand writing recognition on the Palm all the time.<br /> [11:08] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I actually used it for a very short time on my first Android<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: well you had no other option :)<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: I loved it and was happy to get it on my phone.<br /> [11:08] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: graffiti... if I remember right<br /> [11:08] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins<br /> [11:09] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: altered my writing style... few times I submitted hand written papers with graffiti text on it...<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: i droped my palm breaking the touch glass<br /> [11:09] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ouch<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: The T5 and other later models had pop up keyboards or you could use writing. They got better about not needing the special grafitti later on.<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie.<br /> [11:09] Kayaker Magic: LOL, yes, the whole point of Graffiti was to teach the human to write a font that the computer could recognize easily.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: a few years later a friend foun a replacement in germany, not exactly some model but worked<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: but i just repared it and nver used<br /> [11:10] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: where I used to work..they eventually gave us rim/blackberries... with what we liked to call the kidney-poker<br /> [11:10] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: kidney-poker == antenna<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: ohh think i did repared it again some 3 yrs ago<br /> [11:10] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: hehe<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: a cap died<br /> [11:11] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everybody<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: If that is all that was wrong it is easily fixed.<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Looks like we have most of our regulars here now. Time to get in to what's been happening with Open Simulator.<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Not too much in the way of code changes this past week, for obvious reasons. One mantis (#4092) has some attention.<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: That change was for the llStopAnimation LSL function.<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Mostly cleanup stuff, closing out old issues that are no longer relevant or impossible to test given the information provided<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did get around to testing though, which unearthed what I feared, the latest mariadb version is not working with OpenSim<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: From the error message some cast error somewhere, but likely in the connector itself so very difficult to pinpoint<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, is there a particular error message that is thrown when using OS with latest MariaDB?<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Similarly postgres is also still broken in latest mono and potentially in dotnet6 as well, so the database connectors are getting to a point where they might start to break entirely<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's in the mantis 9050<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some dbnull cast thing, no idea what that is yet<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 10.7 was the version I tested before and that works fine so far, but 10.10 won't<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The entire database interface starting with OpenSim.Data all the way to the actual connectors is in dire need of some love<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not only slow, but especially in regards to groups, just poorly conceptualized code relying way too much on code rather than clever sql<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: I ran in to a different issue where an update to the newer version of mono broke two other programs that I used to use. They will no longer run.<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, yes. The groups database structure seems particularly in need of some help.<br /> [11:19] Kayaker Magic: What is the difference between mariandb and regular MySQL? I assume regular MySQL on Linux still works with OpenSim?<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: oops let me read<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have not tried mssql or mysql directly. Mariadb did offer some features back in the day that allowed it to be safer than mysql<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: kayaker<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Something with table engines<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: they are diferent products now<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I just stuck with it ever since as it worked quite well<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: My desktop computer is still using MySQL.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: so far the connector for mysql still works, but we may need to add one for mariadb<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: bc they are getting more and more diferent<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The interface depends on external libraries, connectors, that have not seen an update in probably a decade by now, those provide the necessary structures for OpenSim.Data to request and send data. The problem sits with the external library, the OpenSim.Data project itself is just bad in terms of performance of the code<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Like groups, requesting a bunch of data with select * and then building the final data in code, which can be really slow<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Doing some join operations and other stuff on the database end likely would help speed that up since sql is a lot faster with that stuff<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did start on a mariadb specific OpenSim.Data, which is just a copy of mysql so far, still dependent on that connector as well as I could not find a good connector to use<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Vincent<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most of this stuff now sits in nuget and these connectors have code in them that's a bit questionable<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Looked at this when the postgres issues were reported and it's a bit of a nightmare to put support back in<br /> [11:25] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: We use Mariadb for Virtual Harmony, but we are not on the latest version<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: npgsql for postgres in the least intrusive form would require two-three additional dlls to be shipped to work at all<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably similar story with mariadb now<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Lots of fast hacks in the connectors potentially unsafe stuff and all requiring various other libs to be shipped for it to build and load at all, which is really annoying to deal with<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Plus it adds bloat and might even make stuff slower given it ships with so much stuff now<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: that mantis 9050<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: as i said, maria is getting diferent from mysql, so it may need own connector<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: that they had made for years<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: ofc that is a strange error<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, it is.<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: but it is internal to the connector<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: seems it got a null and still tried to read a int from it :p<br /> [11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Not surprising to see it choked.<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It would be really nice, given that postgres is kinda broken as well, to redo the connectors and the OpenSim.Data project along with it, to finally remove some of the bottlenecks and bring that code into this decade, but that's a lot of work<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Seems reminiscent of a misuse of pointers as integers<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: they still say<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: &quot;<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: MySQL Connector/NET<br /> MySQL Connector/NET should generally work with MariaDB.<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: &quot;<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: I notice the word &quot;generally&quot;<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: In other words, YMMV.<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well such change may mean a complet new database code<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: not fun<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: when possible there is no gain on using maria versus oracle mysql<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: and maria keeps ignoring C# telling to use connectors made by others<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: like the mysql one or https://www.nuget.org/packages/MySqlConnector/<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: last one, will mean totally new code to use<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: so.. guess quick answer for now is that mariaDB is no longer supported<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: New connectors would be one of several goals for this year.<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: thinik is that maria and mysql seem to no longer be compatible<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 10.7 should remain available for some time, haven't tested between that and 10.10 so maybe there is another version that still works, so for a while there is still an option<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: that is what that mantis basicly tells<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'm not sure how well moving from mariadb to mysql will work yet, have to explore that at some point<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: well like andrew is telling, just stay on maria 10.7<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: I have gone from MySQL to MariaDB in the past.<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The annoying thing is that mariadb and mysql don't share some keywords and functions so moving between them also means other software needs to change their db integration as well<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: they are spliting more and more<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: SQL is just a name :p<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: and and about the &quot;payload&quot; not connector<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: https://mariadb.com/kb/en/function-differences-between-mariadb-1010-and-mysql-80/<br /> [11:41] Kayaker Magic: But the 'S' stands for Standard!<br /> [11:42] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Your Linux distributions are probably not going to include MySQL because of the historical issues with Oracle and Larry Ellison<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: this may also mean that code will not work<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you know what xkcd has to say about &quot;standards&quot;.<br /> [11:42] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 smiles<br /> [11:43] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ^^<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'd love to just redo the entire OpenSim.Data, use different database types for certain data structures to vastly simplify how it is stored and retrieved, but that's a mountain of work I kinda lack the time for<br /> [11:43] Kayaker Magic: LOL, I was looking for a quivering lip emoticon when I wrote that...<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not sure what route to take with it, updating to patch things up or start from scratch, hard to say what's more work given the state of things<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: If there are underlying flaws in the current implementation it would seem the better route would be to start from scratch instead of continuing to patch something that only sort of works.<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We have the problem of two different types of data relations that ideally would mean usage of two database systems. Inventory, groups, avatar data as part of a document style db, since that hinges on a single uuid in most cases and then things like useraccounts and auth that make the most sense to be in a large sql table<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: While sql has gotten a lot better about really large tables the performance metric there is something software just can't beat, it's a mathematical thing with table size<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Document style only suffers if the routing is poor<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Kinda like how fsassets due to being file-based is a lot faster than putting binary blobs in a table<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Needs a lot of planning before lines of code can be written, otherwise same mistake of poorly conceptualized code that plagues the current setup<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, indeed.<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: We are getting close to the top of the hour. Does anyone have a question or comment not related to database issues?<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: vicent<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: At least not one related to MariaDB compatibility.<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: you can try to use the mysql connector on dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: ofc may blowup also :)<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's on my plans for further testing yes<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent can keep all the pieces if it does.<br /> [11:55] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Bye Selby.<br /> [11:55] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Peace, Selby<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: wel not sure if it even runs on master<br /> [11:55] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: bye<br /> [11:55] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: bye selby<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: can instead test a region with dotnet6<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: should work fine on a grid in master<br /> [11:58] Kayaker Magic: Well, I've got a bunch of chores to do in RL, I'm out of here now.<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: ( master has connector 6.9.11, dotnet6 8.0.30 )<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, tc Kayaker.<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Last call for any last minute items for today.<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: my palm III did work<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Database connectivity is going to be a big, and hot, topic for this year. We should start thinking of the best approach to solving this issue and get a plan together to fix it.<br /> [12:01] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 grins<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, nice. My last T5 purchase was 12 years ago so it had a good run.<br /> [12:02] Lyr.Lobo @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Hi Janie!<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: well it is not totally outdated by any &quot;smart&quot;phone<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, with that I will end todays meeting. Thank you all for coming. This could be an exciting year for OS with the work on dotnet6 and database connectivity.<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: now..<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2023-01-03T20:19:18Z

<p>Kcozens: New meeting entry</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-12-20 2022-12-20T20:26:05Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hi<br /> [11:03] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Andrew<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm here before Ubit today.<br /> [11:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: That is way north of me, thankfully<br /> [11:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: We weren;t sure if there was going to be a meeting<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... I don't see Ubit in IRC.<br /> [11:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I missed last week and thought that perhaps there was a plan not to meet?<br /> [11:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but you are here :)<br /> [11:05] Kayaker Magic: Plan? There are plans?<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Come hell or high water we usually meet, though it might be high water that has taken Ubit out, he reported flooding yesterday.<br /> [11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh dear<br /> [11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: &quot;save the laptop!&quot;<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: I have skipped these meetings when they were the day of, or the day before, Christmas and New Years.<br /> [11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm glad I stuck around :)<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, Ubit is experience floods? I hope it doesn't get too bad where he is.<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Dry ground and lots of rain don't mix, quite literally<br /> [11:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have some news to present on Bullet at some point<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. You can kick things off today, Cuga.<br /> [11:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm waiting for a contractor so there is a chance I might have to stop abruptly<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, frozen ground and lots of melting snow is also a bad combo.<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So, there is a lot of activity now behind the scenes on updating Bullet<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga.<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: Is Mr Blue involved?<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Misterblue and I have been meeting and working out a plan<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: Cool!<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: trying to boil it down<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: We're planning to create a new set of Bullet libraries for all platforms, bring it to the latest version, and add bug fixes<br /> [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: new one will be Bullet 3.25<br /> [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: currently we are at 2.86<br /> [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: there are also some major bug fixes for Bullet that need to be included<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: those should really be submitted to the Bullet team also<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a preliminary version to test for Mac and MrBlue os working on Windows and Linux versions<br /> [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: once he has those, we plan to set up some test regions and do some testing<br /> [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: also will need other people to test on their regions<br /> [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: then after testing and working anything out, they will replace the current Bullet libs in trunk<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Mac as in arm M1, are the linux versions going to work for those still with Intel Macs?<br /> [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Mac libs are going to be universal x86_64 and arm64<br /> [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: probably going to drop 32 bit on Mac<br /> [11:15] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Mac libs wont work on Linux even if same processor<br /> [11:15] Kayaker Magic: Drop? As it stop support?<br /> [11:15] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: well unless somebody tells me there are still 32-bit Mac users out there<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: dotnet6 isnt available for any 32 bit platform<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Its possible the old libs will be retained for cases that can't upgrade for some reason<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or a platform we no longer have dev capabilities with<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but those will be the old versions of Bullet<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm sure Ubit would chime in on this<br /> [11:17] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Dotnet6 isn't &quot;really&quot; available except on Windows<br /> [11:17] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Everybody else gets a version on crutches<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Dotnet6 works great on Linux and Mac<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: arm64 and x86_64<br /> [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: That sounds like a lot of work you and Misterblue have planned, Cuga. Any ideas on how long it will take to get all that work done?<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hard to say<br /> [11:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: right now MrBlue is having trouble getting the latest Bullet to build, on his system<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: You have to the end of the year (if you are on Christmas break) to get it done. ;)<br /> [11:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: we have been comparing notes<br /> [11:18] Kayaker Magic: lol<br /> [11:18] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but he's only been working at that for about a week and busy with RL stuff<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: MrBlue can probably talk more about that next time he comes<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Getting code to compile is the first step. I have another project I want to take one for a program no longer supported. I haven't been able to compile it yet either.<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Often its just one little obscure change to make a compiler happy<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: taking many hours to discover solution<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Thank you for the information. That is exciting news for everyone who is using Bullet physics.<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: There is a Mac candidiate available to test on my github page<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: although I have the impression I'm ther only one put there lol<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: let me post the link...<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The bullet integration code in OpenSim has not been touched since I cleaned up indentation over a year ago. So that might need a review as well.<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, true. In my case the program has dependencies which are also no longer supported and/or considered obsolete which also makes it &quot;interesting&quot;.<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: https://github.com/cuga-rajal/opensim_apple_arm64<br /> [11:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I also discovered that the Mac library for BulletSim is missing a critical bug fix that was included in the other playforms<br /> [11:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so I need to get Ubit to update the Mac library for Bullet once again<br /> [11:21] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and we need to discuss using universal binaries for Mac going forward instead of separate ones<br /> [11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit doesnt want to use them but we were already using those from Gavin<br /> [11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so thats a discussion next time Ubit is here<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, if you can't email Ubit directly you can file a bug report as a reminder.<br /> [11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok<br /> [11:23] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats everything I had on Bullet and Mac platform for now<br /> [11:23] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: unkess there are Q's<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Any questions from anyone?<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: I see Vincent is typing something.<br /> [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the buiold instruction on my github page *might* work for Unix too<br /> [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I ,ight give it a shot for Linux x86_64<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, good to know.<br /> [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oops I meant Linux (same thing lol)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: oh. I finally twigged to why the ground around us seems all white. It snowed since the last time we where here. :)<br /> [11:26] Kayaker Magic: ?Here in-world? The sand looks sandy colored to me still.<br /> [11:26] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yellow sand to me<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Commits this week were mostly some security stuff on inventory, broke a test in the process, but eventually did find a fix for that. Not entirely sure what was wrong. Security fixes are always a good thing though.<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. It is white to me and most of the other textures of this building were all white/gray at first.<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, yes they are.<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I spent some time with search again after finding whenever I looked for sandbox I got a list of various other regions with that in the name rather than the exact match<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It does a fuzzy search on the regionlist, so it does find it, I guess the viewer sorts it by alphabet instead of exact matches first<br /> [11:28] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: are bug fixes and patches being done now double on both branches dotnet6 and master?<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In some instances where they are critical, but there is some stuff on dotnet6 that has not been backported<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did make some patches for doing so, but of course huge time sink to do<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, that is by design. There was a time when what you typed in was always assumed to be the start of the name of a region. If you wanted to find a sandbox and searched using that box you would not have found a region called, for example, Public Sandbox<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yep it is meant to do a like search, which will find exact and fuzzy matches, my main concern is that exact matches, which one would prefer to see first, are not automatically selected<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: (sorry im late)<br /> [11:30] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Welcome, UBit<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: so if I search for Sandbox knowing I want to go to that region the one it selects is one that alphabetically comes before that<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's a viewer thing though<br /> [11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Ubit.<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Needs to sort exact match first and then fuzzy ones imo, that's what I would expect it to do at least, maybe that's just me though<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, Cuga had some news related to work he and Misterblue are doing on BulletSim physics.<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, You can ask Ubit about updating the libraries.<br /> [11:31] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Shall I recap?<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Sure.<br /> [11:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: MrBlue and I have been busy meeting and making a plan for Bullet<br /> [11:32] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: We're going to work on a new version that is updated to the latest 3.25 and contain bug fixes<br /> [11:33] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: we discussed which patches to use and then we are now hard at work trying to build them<br /> [11:33] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oce built, we will set up some testing regions, and ask others to test<br /> [11:33] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: after testing, they will replace libs in trunk, so everybody has parity<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I also discovered that the Mac versions of Bullet currently in trunk are missing some bug fixes that were already applied to Linux and Windows by MrBlue<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Gavin didn;t include them<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So I have a new version of Bullet 2.86 that includes that patch<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Also, learned that the Mac Bullet libs from Gavin ere 2.86 since 2017<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So the same version as recent arm64 libs, by accident<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: ok Cuga.Rajal<br /> [11:36] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: it;s documented in an old Mantis http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=8232<br /> [11:36] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: But<br /> [11:36] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit you and I need to talk about using universal binaries<br /> [11:36] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: maybe not today but sometime soon<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: universal?<br /> [11:37] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I am making universal binaries now with x86_64 and arm64 combined, and testing them on my production x86_64<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: guess you mean universal on mac world<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:37] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: There are no issues, and it's the common/preferred way on the Mac for other sw<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: and older macs?<br /> [11:38] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: correct, thats the nomenclature that Apple uses<br /> [11:38] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: they have been doing this since 2005 with &quot;universal binaroes&quot; for Power{C and Intel back then<br /> [11:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So, Apple dropped support for 32 bit in their dev environment since 2019, in their hardware since 2011<br /> [11:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I honestly dont think there are any 32 bit Mac users out there,<br /> [11:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: It's my opinion that we dont need to build for 32 bit Mac<br /> [11:39] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Linux might be another story<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most of the small arm dev boards are 64bit now too<br /> [11:40] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: even Raspberry Pi is 64 bit lol<br /> [11:40] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: If you can get it<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: ok mayber when you have them done, make a mantis with this reasoning and the libs?<br /> [11:40] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok<br /> [11:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The Mac version has a special problem<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: ill them change the .config things and commit them<br /> [11:41] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: cuga - what problem?<br /> [11:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: bc Gavin didnt include the &quot;floating prim&quot; patch, so all Mac users are seeing a major bug<br /> [11:41] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Afdter talking to MrBlue this week I know how to fix it<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: htat is a low level bullet fix?<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: he made a patch, but it didn;t get communicated out well<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so I re-built the Mac Bullet with that patch a couple days ago and that;s ready to swap into trunk<br /> [11:42] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats the old version with just that patch added<br /> [11:43] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yes it is a low lever Bullet fix, that really should get submitted to the Bullet team<br /> [11:43] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ok ty<br /> [11:43] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so the new mac lib brings parity to the Msc version finally with othewr platforms<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Michael.<br /> [11:43] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hello :|)<br /> [11:43] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'll open a Mantis for the new bug fix Bullet lib fro Mac<br /> [11:43] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: cuga - is that for intel mac or m1?<br /> [11:44] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Well, the bug exists for all Mac Bullet libs, and has been there since the current one was built in 2019<br /> [11:45] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: My bug fox version, I built iyt as a universal library, x86_64 and arm64, so it will work on both<br /> [11:45] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: But that would require a change in the configs that Ubit has been working on<br /> [11:45] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: and the question of universal libs pans out to Openjpeg and ubODE too<br /> [11:46] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: What we have now works fine, so no need to change it<br /> [11:46] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but going forward, as we update Mac libs, I suggest replacing with arm64/x86_64 universal binary<br /> [11:47] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit has some concerns because the architectures are so different, and some concern how the loader in dotnet handles the universal lib loading<br /> [11:48] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: But this is an old trick in the mac world, also, I've done testing on the same file on both architectures, and it works<br /> [11:49] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: My feeling is if there is some issue with library loading using the universal binary, I could build separarte files, but I bet Ubit $5 that will never happen<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ubit, whats your feeling about using the universal libs going forward?<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for Bullet, I can;t build 32 bit anyway, so the choice is 2 separate libs for x86_64 and arm64, or one universal lib<br /> [11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I sort of need to know this no or soon-ish for submitting the Bullet fix<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: if they work.. ok<br /> [11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: it's a little easier<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: only that :)<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: bc those are basicly like a tar file with all :)<br /> [11:53] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: simpler configs too<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: yeha the os does the select at load time, we hope<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: so far its working<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I did put the new universal lib, that I built on my arm64 machine, onto my x86_64 production machine, and it loaded fine<br /> [11:55] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK so I'll open a mantis and get you a new Mac universal binary for Bullet with the bug fix<br /> [11:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I also have a universal binary for Openjpeg if you want, although nothing is currently broken there, but maybe for consistency?<br /> [11:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: up to you<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: if not broken why break it?<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:57] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: consuistency<br /> [11:58] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000 whispers: up to you :)<br /> [11:58] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: If ubODE needs an update, that will fall into the same issue/solution<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but no need to change until an update is needed<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: unless you want to change them all now for consistency<br /> [11:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: this would be a Mac-only change<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, I think you just answered the question about whether to update the other library.<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: &quot;no need to change until an update is needed&quot;<br /> [12:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: uless you care about consistency, inwhich case, you might want to change all now<br /> [12:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the configs that point different archs and OS's won;t be consistent across all the libs for Mac<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: It is a bit of a toss up. Consistency is fine but as long as it isn't likely to break something in which case it can be better to leave well enough alone.<br /> [12:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Bullet will be different<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: So I just wanted to bring that up and confirm thats what Ubit wants :)<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks nod<br /> [12:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We really need to find someone with the same enthusiasm to update the database connectors and OpenSim.Data projects<br /> [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: maybe when I get caught up I can look, tho Im not a C# programmer...<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour. Before we talk any more about physics, are there any other questions for today?<br /> [12:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: not today<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: contractor here. gotta go ttyl<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. That was partly a question for you, Michael, as you came in late.<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Anyone lately seen prims they deleted return after a region restart?<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Cuga. Thank you for the update.<br /> [12:04] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I have, a few times<br /> [12:04] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: im talking t lisa abouthelping with sdcenegate<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I haven't seen that problem in quite a while.<br /> [12:04] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: so once i get into it i may have more ??s<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have only seen that maybe 5 times in the last couple years, but I did stumble across it again yesterday<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, Good luck with that. I'm sure they will be happy for the help. It is a big project.<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It usually is with things that were linked and unlinked, some weird thing internally most likely<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Bad lock or timing would not surprise me<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: True voodoo heh<br /> [12:06] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Vincent, I have randomly seen prims appear that didn't belong where I saw them. I wasn't sure if it was ones I previously deleted, or what, so I haven't submitted anything<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I don't think I've seen that issue since I've been using 0.9.x but I haven't been building that much lately.<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: With deletions it could be inventory related given that's what delete actually does, send to inventory<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But I did see it with a prim that I just changed and didn't delete<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, what database are you using and what version of OS?<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: mariadb with master dev on mono<br /> [12:08] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I have also had persistence issues, when a deleted prim didn't disappear, but with two different opeople looking ones saw it, one didn't<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Clearing viewer cache makes no difference to the issue?<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I wrote a command a while back to check on delete queue and other operations related to this, but even running that to clear those before shutting the region down it didn't report anything. So I have no clue where it gets stuck at<br /> [12:09] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: At least once it was still there when one of us logged back in<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just strange behavior and completely random it seems<br /> [12:09] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Not very frequent<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: When you build a lot and have a lot of people go through a region it does show more often, but that's not guarantee either<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: In the past I have had the issue in regions with little traffic.<br /> [12:12] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I never have traffic, but lots of build/change/move around stuff<br /> [12:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It restores them from the database since they are still in there so the delete there must have failed, but that train of code is pretty long before it gets to that. I have to find all those parts and add debug output I guess, see what it says<br /> [12:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Fun log spam that will be<br /> [12:13] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: oh how fun that sounds<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, another option would be to track SQL commands issued to the DB.<br /> [12:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I checked whether there were failed queries and I saw nothing reported<br /> [12:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: This is like that timing lock all over again or the viewer objects cache, just voodoo<br /> [12:16] Andrew Hellershanks: I think you have another &quot;fun&quot; project on your hand tracking down that issue.<br /> [12:16] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: I sure haven't been able to find any ryme or reason when it has happened to me. Nothing in common except that most of the time there was a server restart<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah no amount of running backup on the console will help with that it seems<br /> [12:17] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Nothing showed up there<br /> [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Is it possible the DB delete request didn't get passed to the DB engine before the region restart?<br /> [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Another thought is a possible cache related issue.<br /> [12:18] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: ok Bye Selby.<br /> [12:18] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Peace, Selby<br /> [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Merry Christmas to you<br /> [12:18] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye!<br /> [12:18] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode whispers: merry chirstmas!|<br /> [12:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I had stopped building on that region a day before, by then cache should have cleared out<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, one would hope so.<br /> [12:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I could try disabling it though and try to force it to occur to check<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Any updates should have been flushed to the DB by then.<br /> [12:19] Kayaker Magic: Gota run, Buy All!<br /> [12:19] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye1<br /> [12:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's either inventory delete fail or something with committing changes to db getting blocked or breaking<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: I didn't get a chance to say bye to Kayaker.<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Internal blacklisting or something too many minor changes trying to be committed<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is so much code in that pipeline<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: hay in a stack of needles<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: If anyone is able to reproduce the problem with any consistency pass your information on to Vincent.<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah first step is reproduction conditions, then I can either try tracking or at least mantis it for others to help with<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Anyway that's all I had this week<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Having experienced the problem in the past getting a set of steps to reproduce the issue with any consistency will be difficult.<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: ty, Vincent.<br /> [12:22] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i'd better get going to my next one too<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: As the time is getting late I will wrap up todays meeting.<br /> [12:22] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i was about to say see younext week - but will anyone be here lol<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Merry Christmas, Happy holidays, Seasons greetings, etc. to all. I hope you enjoy sometime off to spend with friends and family. See you all again in a week from today.<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-12-20T20:25:27Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-11-29 2022-11-29T20:17:34Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Ubit and Vincent.<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Michael<br /> [11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode whispers: Hello!<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Orbert<br /> [11:01] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Hello, folks<br /> [11:02] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: Hey, Andrew<br /> [11:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: Love the greeting, wife and I just re-watched Lucy last night :))<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Good movie.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hey, Kayaker<br /> [11:02] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: How's everyone been? been so buried for so long i've missed a lot<br /> [11:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hey Ubit!<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Michael. We still meet her on Tuesdays so just drop by when you can.<br /> [11:05] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: need to get my phone attendance capacity back up &amp; running so I dont have to make it back here<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: If Christmas, New Years day, or the day befare those days happens to be a Tuesday we may skip meeting then.<br /> [11:06] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: I didn't even get time to prepare a presentation this year :(<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, um... ok. I don't understand what you just said.<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: You have been presenter at the OSCC in past years?<br /> [11:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: under Michael Christopher<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: That's coming up soon. It is the weekend after this one coming up.<br /> [11:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: im the one that presented from inside the tornado zone last year lol<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: That's dedication to your commitments.<br /> [11:08] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: my word is gold ;)<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: well about last week code changes..<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: hmm none it seems :)<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: onl some more work on the dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: i also did create a dotnet6 branch on out fork of libopenmetaverse<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: and did update it with the changes i made to it so far<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Good idea.<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: it is still a bit &quot;hard&quot; to comple<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: complie<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: parts of with with only compile for windows now<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: because dotnet does not include parts it needs like win forms<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: for other OS other then windows<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: theis means the project files need some hand tunning to set the target platform to windows<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: once that is done, all should compile (on vs on windows )<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: the 4 files needed for opensim shoudl compile as is, even if there is a ton of errors relative to the other files..<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: their are at my repo and at bitbucke<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: namely<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Only compile on Windows, but Microsoft loves linux /s<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse/src/master/<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: there is no forms for linux i thing<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: ms is making a new GUI code fro all pratforms calles MUI or something<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/libopenmetaverse/commits/<br /> [11:17] Kayaker Magic: pratfall on the platform<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: is some very compacted changes on it<br /> [11:18] Orbert.Tatham @hg.zetaworlds.com:80: MAUI is a bit of vaporware so far<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Forms always makes me think of something GUI related. Where does it factor in to the backend?<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: like play witgh some SIMD (sse) code on UUIDs.<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: things like<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: Vector128&lt;byte&gt; input = Unsafe.As&lt;char, Vector128&lt;byte&gt;&gt;(ref Unsafe.AsRef&lt;char&gt;(val));<br /> + Vector128&lt;byte&gt; upper = Ssse3.Shuffle(input, Vector128.Create(0, 4, 8, 12, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff));<br /> + Vector128&lt;byte&gt; lower = Ssse3.Shuffle(input, Vector128.Create(2, 6, 10, 14, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff, 0xff));<br /> +....<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: That certainly feels unsafe.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: a uuid parse with that is done in abotu 12.5ns versus to abotu 35ns with previus code<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and also around 35ns with ms Guid..<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: but a Guid IS not a UUID<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: well overdetails :)<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: not mushc gain .. as you see,, but well gain is gain<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: uuid to string also uses simd now<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: simlilar preformance gain<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: and performance<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well at least the need changes for libomv to work under dotnet6 are stored also outside my disks :)<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: ( you can applause now ... )<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: danng.. :)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't think I have any applause gestures in this grid.<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:25] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode whispers: :))<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: /app2<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: (¯`v´¯) (¯`v´¯)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: `*.¸.*´ `*.¸.*´<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: ¸.•´¸.•*¨) ¸.•*¨) (`'·.¸(`'·.¸ A P P L A U S E¸.·'´) ¸.·'´) (¨*•.¸ (¨*•.¸`•.¸<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: (¸.•´ (¸.•´ .•´ ¸¸.•¨¯`• •`¯¨• ¸¸ `•. `•.¸) `•.¸)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I do. :)<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: thy thy :)<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: yw :)<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you for the progress report.<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: I would have greeted you earlier but your chair was behind my chat window.<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I really have to get stuck in and get those tests back working on dotnet, though I seemingly can't even fix them up properly on mono at the moment<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Talking to Andrew last couple days trying to make sense of a strange test failure, am still no further with that, things keep popping up so I have little time<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's like trying to herd cats<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: you did took dependency i xengine already?<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: ..on...<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's a test that uses the mock script engine<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: well as i sa said on previus meetings tests are not on my priority list currently<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: i fact i have no machine where to run them<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: possible could use github actions<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Before we can even attempt to run them first have to figure out the prebuild so they don't mess up the build order and fail to build<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: but those do have cpu time limit on free accounts<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Then it's changing them up for the new nunit3 or 4 or whatever<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: i did set them only do compile on master<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: also no tests<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I am still fixing up things in mono just to have a baseline to work with<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: yabn not even sur ei can mk github accept nunit2.x tests<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: ( for master )<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: don't thing dotnet will accept nunit2 either<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well I don't yet know how I will make jenkins run nunit4 either<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So a work in progress, but I value tests, they have had uses in the past<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If only for minor regression testing<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: All in time, first need to get this damn notecard test to stop being a princess<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: on ocasion tests did spot my typos :)<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: so some are useful<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Or missing files or casts, the codebase is complex, can't always find all the cases<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: well compiler spots most of those<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Last thing tests caught was a problem with serializations being dependent on system locale, causing issues with decimals<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Though that only shows up on tests, runtime works fine<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: possible a bug on tests ;)<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Bit like visual studio complaining about naming schema and so on, minor things in terms of code quality<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I just always like to pay attention to that, less warnings make it easier to spot the really bad ones<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Cuga<br /> [11:36] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi cuga<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not seeing the forest for all the trees kinda thing<br /> [11:37] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hello, sorry late. Nothing new here, just wanted to sit in.<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, have you put in debug messages at the start and end of the subroutines to see if that helps narrow down where it is hanging up?<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Cuga.<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's my next step, I been reading other tests today so see if anything looks vastly different that might explain what is going on<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: oh i also did commit cuga dlls for M1<br /> [11:38] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ahh ok<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I also tried to combine the test that is stuck with the one that runs before it, hoping it just a cleanup issue, but no dice<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Poking at it until it throws another error<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: ofc it they work or not is another story ;)<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, ok. I only noticed one difference in the set up for the NC test that I mentioned the other day but it may not have anything to do with the issues you are experiencing.<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: that was part for my dllmap support code<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: think i told about it last week?<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Unfortunately from reading the documentation I have not found a way to make the test timeout and just repeat if it does, timeout seems a hard fail<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: I will mention that Vincent said the tests only seem to fail on occasion when run by Jenkins.<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I make a code change they run three times or so then fail, just getting stuck until build timeout<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Bewildering<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: in our box several tests also fail just because mysql timeouts<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: when the box is overloaded<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: i had to extend some fixed wait times on several to the rudce chance of that<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I added a bunch of asserts to the test to make sure the setup has worked and those pass, so I guess that part is fine, leaving the subroutines<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: On mono branch at least I got the script engine tests back in, for both engines and the general independent tests, performance tests, up to spawning thousands of NPCs and 200000 objects<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Minor changes to get that stuff working, thankfully visual studio still has a working test adapter<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: well on mono branch they where there<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: well ok except the ones i just killed :P<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think it was somewhere around 300 tests, I have managed to get over 500 working now<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well apart from that particular one heh<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If I restart jenkins after each build it's fine, but course that's not exactly ideal lol<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: well sadly a few are just plain wrong, or useless<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: as i said, tests should not me made by same coder<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: but by other using higher level abstration on how something must be<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: most our tests just test how that code did this or that..<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: that coder..<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: and on several cases that was.. well not correct<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: wle rome also took sometime to build..<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some of the more abstract things are a piece of work to understand<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Only new test I managed to write thus far was running a LSL spec test script and recording the results<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Course that's crude in basically setting up an entire scene to do so<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Think that mock script engine basically only exists for tests<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Just under 10 minutes left in the hour. Is there anyone here with some other topic or question(s)?<br /> [11:52] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: none from me<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: I see Kayaker typing then Vincent.<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Uh oh, we should add a tag for dotnet6 to mantis at some point<br /> [11:53] Kayaker Magic: I am looking for suggestions to fix another problem, every time I do a 'generate map' I loose a chunk of memory.<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, are you using Warp3D?<br /> [11:54] Kayaker Magic: Yeah.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: That's why.<br /> [11:54] Kayaker Magic: Strange thing is, it was not doing it on one server, moved to a new server and this problem started.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: AFAIK, it might leak a bit of memory. I thought I had read that was fixed but it might not be depending on which version of code you are building.<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: mono/dotnet never releases all memory back<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, Same version of mono?<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: it just leaks things<br /> [11:55] Kayaker Magic: I think mono went up a vew decimal points....<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Cached memory is not lost memory, if you see free report less free memory doesn't mean you have less available, it remains cached and recycled when needed<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. That is not that likely to cause a change in behaviour.<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can force clear the caches, but in rare cases it makes mono unhappy, normally is safe though<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Make sure you have the most recent version of libgdiplus<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: If it just cached memory then running it a second time should not use any more memory.<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can test if that leaks with dynamic textures also<br /> [11:57] Kayaker Magic: How do I do that? is there an opensim console command to force a cache clear?<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: free is a linux command for showing memory distribution, if that shows a lot of memory in cached buffered then you can clear it<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Somewhere in sys proc there is a drop_caches, just echo a 1 into that and it will start clearing it up<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Course if you have a region going ham on memory you might just pull the rug under it, though that is rare<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Normally it will just fetch what memory it needs from the cached pool as well<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you have a leak regarding the texture generation for the maptile itself that will show with dynamic textures as well<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I recall an issue with libgdiplus a while back that leaked a lot of memory<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Was eventually fixed<br /> [12:00] Kayaker Magic: I've got a slideshow that uses cynamic textures, I'll give that a try.<br /> [12:01] Kayaker Magic: *dynamic<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: libgdiplus | 6.0.5 or 6.0.4 should be fixed, anything below that might cause trouble<br /> [12:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can check available versions with apt-cache on debian systems and apt will give you a return on what's installed<br /> [12:02] Kayaker Magic: Ubuntu should hve that<br /> [12:04] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: I think most distros do<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some use yum... *shudder*<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: I used to use a system that used RPM based package management.<br /> [12:05] Kayaker Magic: Just checked libgdiplus, V 6.0.5<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other questions, Kayaker?<br /> [12:07] Kayaker Magic: No, I'll just keep plugging away at this system...<br /> [12:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :)<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Or throw household objects on IRC until someone helps heh<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, good luck with it. Next week you can let us know what you learned.<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [12:08] Kayaker Magic: I used to run 12 mapgens on 12 regions at once on the old system, on the new hardware the memory dissapers and regions start crashing.<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, Good luck with your test issue.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: We are a little past the hour. If there are no other last moment questions or comments I will wrap up the meeting.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [12:10] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode whispers: sounds good - Have a great week everyone!<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-11-22 2022-11-23T16:57:12Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:05] Kayaker Magic: I've been asking for help getting a grid started the last few meetings, I'm happy to report that everything is working now.<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: good<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.<br /> [11:06] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, good to hear. Did it turn out to be just a few incorrect ini settings?<br /> [11:07] Kayaker Magic: Yes, it was confusion caused by moving a grid from one server to another, having to change the address.<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: The last problem was ExternalHostName in the Regions.ini files. I thought that was unimportant, so I left it with the old address.<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: But apparently no avatars can log on without it.<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: I thought it was only for the LSL GetURL function.<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: ExternalHostName is one of the more important settings.<br /> [11:09] Kayaker Magic: I left it with the old address, because eventually the domain name moved to the new server and then I had to change it back again.<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: yeah but a name change can take more the 8 hours to propagate<br /> [11:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gotta love dns caching<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been lucky. I usually find DNS changes propagate rather quickly. I think it depends a little on the host where the changes are being made and how often they send out changes.<br /> [11:11] Kayaker Magic: We tested on the new server with the IP address, then with a different name, then changed the DNS of the old name at the last minute to switch over.<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: oh dotnet6 can have again the old mono thing on dns cache<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: bby default some things will not expire it<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: them<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: the samm httpclient they want us to use now<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: great for a simple web client<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: useless as we use httpwebrequest<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: but thats another ghost waiting on the full update to net6<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's something it took from windows, that nasty habit of caching dns even if you set the ttl to 5 minutes<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: ewl many decided to use tls of 1 min<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: namely all dynips and google servers<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: forgeting that dns alone is a big part of all internet trafic<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: total flood without caches<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: At some point really should figure out what to do for testing on dotnet6 to make sure we don't have other hidden regressions elsewhere<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But that's a loaded question<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: well and abotu regressions, last week code changes :p<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: i did fix a issue on attachtemp premissions<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, using it helps. Automatic tests won't guarantee that all regressions are caught.<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: mantis 9039<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: the permissions where lost when attaching to other than ower<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: i mean script permissions<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Over the last two years or so I have seen tests fail maybe three times, each time hinting at a potential problem, so they have some use. Though I do agree the current tests aren't great, but they aren't useless either. Makes figuring out what to do with them more difficult.<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: some still fail just because timing issues<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did get most of them fixed up for the mono branch at least, even the performance tests<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: a few take ages just to avoid that<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: are there just waiting :)<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: but bahh all need to be updated to at least nunit 3.0<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even made new ones for YEngine and for LSL compliance testing<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: or xunit or.. something<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: many consider nunit guess what.. obsolete :)<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah that's the big question, update the current ones or write them from scratch. What's easier to do. I so far only managed to get the old ones to build with dotnet6 of course they cannot be run as is<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: well they are a lot<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: yep<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: still ignoreing them on dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's funny they build, but neither nunit2 nor 3 will run them xD<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: did some code for it, but still chaning bc commit<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: a manual replacement for mono dllmap<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: something ms just did not port to net5+<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: well never had it<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: they just did add something that allows to &quot;manualy&quot; set &quot;hooks&quot; so code does load a unmanaged lib when needs<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: so adding a parser for the mono dll.confing things for that<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: liek others did<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: by manua li mean that we do need to add calls on the relevant assemblies<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: while mono did that automaticly<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: cuga did end up getting dotnet6 branch to work natively on M1 mac if I recall, the info is posted on mantis<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: yes the main issue was to compile the native libs<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: he finally did that<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: for ubode, bullet and openjpeg<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: well openjpeng-dotnet<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: well openjpeg-dotnet<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: also fixe a timing initialization<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: had it on original miliseconds and stayed that way whne i changed everywhere to seconds tine unit :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: but was a self healing issue<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Prebuild now copying the system.drawing as well, nice bit of automation for building :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: wel that is temporary thing<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: need to put that on load code somewher<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: ugly thing :(<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That or rewrite everything that uses it to be system dependent...<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: as i said, seems ms now considers we must do one package per target platform/cpu<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: like we need to do on cpp<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah they want to push nuget, so that you can make a mess like npm requiring hundreds of dependencies for just log output or whatever<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: while our code is like it was, one shared managed code base, same for all, with a few native parts loaded at runtime<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: that dllmap code i told about, is abotu this issue ofc<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: but that system.drawing...dll is managed<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: windows has its own that glues directly to win native code<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Someone was asking about postgres on irc the other day, made me remember what a mess nuget just making excuses for bad code really. When I tried updating the postgres connector with a new version from nuget it blew up everywhere. Not sure what MS is thinking, but this whole dependency thing with nuget just invites bad and lazy code. Kind of an unsure future in regards to the database connectors still<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: while linux needs more code to glue to libgdiplus<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well i did some updates on libs from nuget<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: got the packets, and took out the libs i wanted<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: that system.drawing was sunc a case :)<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: same for mysql etc<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: i just consider nuget a pure nonsense<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: WE DO NOT WANT AUTOMATIC updates EVER<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: that is a huge software security hole<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just like npm pretty much<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: security on a more broad sense, like getting fresh new bugs<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: without knowing about it<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: automatic updates are jsut BAD<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: ms ofrces them on windows ofc<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: but on win they are just needed<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In case of updating the postgres connector it required additional dependencies even just one version up, if I went to latest it was dependencies galore. Total mess and still wouldn't work right.<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: but ms does that on YOUR machine<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: o hope they do not update all the code base used on win like that :)<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is performance to be gained with better database connectors, but the expense is unsafe code and hacks that cause a mess<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: wel some of those hacks are more legal o n .net6<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: in fact used everywhere on it<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: another stupidity<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I been wanting to update them, but every time I look I just lose hope at the mess I would have to untangle<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: see... they have rules..<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: like arrays bounds checks, etc<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: then add tricks to work around that<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: and do even suicidal things<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Why do data checks, no one ever could possibly attempt to parse bad data...<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: like tell compiler that a string is after all a array of floats<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: just bad..<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: drop_table:students all over again<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: they are doing a mess, because nonsense religion dogmas like forced array bounds checks<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: a lot of ppl would just not use unsafe code if could tell jot to not do them on a legal form<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For postgres the connector code is not too complex, one could try to write those parts out, but then we would be maintaining even more code which is kinda the point of these not to have to maintain them as well<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: return Unsafe.As&lt;byte, short&gt;(ref Unsafe.Add(ref MemoryMarshal.GetArrayDataReference(bytes), pos));<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think in mono 5 postgres works fine, starting somewhere with mono 6 it stopped working, not sure which version exactly<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: and to do that is a a must lol<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: My eyes have fallen out of their sockets<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: eek<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: thats does same as unsafe{fixed byte* b = &amp;bytes[pos]; return *(short*)b<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: or more or less that :)<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: but doign it on managed domain, not doign the full fixed things<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: ofc will blow up if bytes[] is not hold in place and gc takes it out :)<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: .net6 gc did learn a bit more abt such things<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: that prettly code ends up as 2 machine code instructions<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: or 3<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I feel like some of that nonsense ultimately just drives people to things like Rust<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ( in release mode and with ful jit opt)<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: well those lines where from current libomv :)<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: i change several parts from the &quot;fixed&quot; to that<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: master libomv uses fixed<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: this things are a must on binary serialization<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: for example<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: that was from public static unsafe short BytesToInt16(byte[] bytes, int pos)<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They probably think runtime errors aren't so bad, cause you can just restart, but for OpenSim runtime errors is what we have to avoid as much as possible<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Indeed<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: well soft is a huge mess<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: and will not get any better<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: complexity just grows<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: but damm silly religion like those array bounds.. GRRR hate it<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: fortran and c never had it.. cobol did<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: and its fine for cobol market<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Clawed a lot of stability back though over the years, losing that to some suicidal code in dependencies is not nice<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: alos fine if by default c does it<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: bt why not a damm metadata telling jit to not do it<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: like the inline has:<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: [MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.AggressiveInlining)]<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: why not a damm MethodImplOptions.NoBoundsCheck<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: bah irritating issue<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: to see bounds change take more cpu time than actual work on many cases<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Between a rock and a hard place with those things, no good way out without making some concessions which is annoying yeah<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: well and they make JIT waste time looking to a few failed cases where it does take the checks automaticly<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: well nm<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: just very low end things :)<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Lot of development moves that way lately, tons of dependencies, some lazy code and let the hardware apologize for the shit code<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: An odd shift in priorities<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: well cpus are damm complex things now also<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: and pretend to be clever<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's why arm is so fast, less bloat<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: we tell them do a then do b, and they do b than a<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: and a old issue<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: that in part killed DEC<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: with the dec alpha cpu<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: we told it int a = 4;<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: b = a + 3;<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: and the damm cpu did b = a +4; a = 4<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: with a undefined... bahh<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: and this already in 90's<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: wel lpossible some big machines did it also in late 60's :)<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Like javascript, just worse lol<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: thats 'aout of order execution optimization&quot; at cpu<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: out of order..<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: compilers need to fix those issues.. fun<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, they should.<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: but what news do you have abt opensim ?<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Anyways I had a look at groups code finally, did find two things that had me go &quot;huh?&quot;, have to dig a bit see if I can rewrite those things, think they are part of the reason why it is slow. Though in the sql parts at least there is nothing immediate I could see, so I need to dig deeper into those parts<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: goups v2 has a lot of &quot;huh?&quot;<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The database connector for it is very generic so it ultimately does nothing to improve queries<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: flotsam also.. just a bit less<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Have to see if I can rewrite parts of that so it can use sql more effectively<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just a big task to understand the thing enough to do that and my time isn't unlimited sadly<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: effectively and sql fit on same text line?<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It does a generic select *, which might not be the fastest way to get the data it needs for the call it has to run<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: unless &quot;sql is pure deny of effectively&quot;<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: There are some complex queries in groups.<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: say it only needs to get data from two tables, joining them at sql level is often faster than in code<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Course all depends on situation hence first trying to understand the whole thing<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: unless user decides to put them on dif mysql<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: as some tell to do...<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ideally it would run on a document db, just fetch the document by uuid, but I don't want to do that just yet<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: the opensim idea of &quot;microservices&quot;<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: ~that ofc fails a lot more than &quot;those&quot;<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think just changing the database connector to not be just doing generic query select * might already help quite a bit<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: bc databases interdependecies kill it all<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: well to not do searchs wit uas could help a lot<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: searchs by...<br /> [12:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It needs to do a few strategic joins and only select the data it actually needs instead of everything each time, adjust the code to fetch things and store them with less type conversions<br /> [12:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That alone might double the speed<br /> [12:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Database itself is fast getting data, even on millions of rows, kinda their purpose so they do that well<br /> [12:11] Kayaker Magic: I need to boogie, RL calling.<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: who did test dotnet 6 here?<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: any?<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Kayaker. Thanks for droppping by.<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: u can tell him that next week :)<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: It is now a quarter past the hour. Are there any other last minute items for today?<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit :)<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: I didn't hear Kayaker's transporter noise before he left.<br /> [12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, you have your work cut out for you if you want to tackle those SQL queries in groups.<br /> [12:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I am starting to see the light of sql lol<br /> [12:14] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, bye Selby.<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: cya<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: As there isn't any last minute items for today I'll conclude this meeting.<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-11-23T16:56:43Z

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2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-11-01 2022-11-04T06:01:35Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Arielle<br /> [11:01] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: yes and no... The horns are still original.. I exported... modded... &lt;or atleast tried&gt;..then reimported as a new version...<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: again that time of year, hour changed here<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: usa will change next sunday?<br /> [11:01] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: already? we change this coming weekend<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I was going to point out that clocks change this weekend in North America, IIRC. Where have they already changed?<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: yeah usa always does it at arong time<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Only one more time change for the US (in the spring) and that will be the last time, IIRC.<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: we do it on last sundays of march and octuber, if i remember<br /> [11:02] Arielle Popstar: oh that right/<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: usa will stop changing?<br /> [11:03] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: we'll see... @andrew... I haven't heard any chatter about it, from our elected officials<br /> [11:03] Arielle Popstar: what about ontario?<br /> [11:03] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: there was a huge push.... earlier in the year.. if I remembre correctly.. then is fizzled out<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah, ok. I thought Europe changed clocks two weeks after (or was it before) they changed in North America. I remember we usually have about two meetings affected by clock changes.<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: eu decided to stop change like 3 yrs ago...<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: then forgot about it :)<br /> [11:04] Arielle Popstar: used to be 2 weeks before but this time just a week<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Canada will probably do what they do in the US but I haven't heard anything about no more clock changes.<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: ofc if we used UTC on opensim grids, no issues with hour changes :)<br /> [11:05] Arielle Popstar: Ford waiting for the state of New York he said<br /> [11:05] Kayaker Magic hates daylight wastings time<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: I did hear that New York was part of the key to the stopping of clock changing.<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: some love it<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: it seems<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm not a morning person so I like it when the sun sets later in the day.<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: only bothers me because it throws out the schedule between my partner and I<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: well think my own gov, decided to keep changing when eu was telling to sotp<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: well now my clock is at UTC + 0 :)<br /> [11:07] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi all<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: Hi Jamie<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: so.. what news do you have?<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: about opensim..<br /> [11:08] Arielle Popstar: what did you fix this week?<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: a bug i made on ubode :)<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: spoted by ppl at vincent grid<br /> [11:09] Arielle Popstar: broke and fixed the same day?<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: sadly no.. took many hours<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: they did a lot of test and did pinpont the exact commit<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: More a &quot;missed file&quot; type deal I would say given it was just a minor change in the end, with big impact<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: yeha some typos are like that<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: but hard to spot<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: unless you sail crossing regions all day :)<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Basically wasn't removing the physics properly so after a while it clogged up the system as if there were a lot more physical objects there<br /> [11:10] Arielle Popstar: lotsa lag<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: yeahh just a tiny little bit of physics part<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: things on collisions &quot;map&quot;<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: so it added more and more things to tests.. so lag...<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: well bugs...<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So far no more reported issues, so the fix seems to work<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: don't worry, i will break something soon<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks grins<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Shows the importance of knowing the commit that caused it making it in the end just a few hours of debugging to figure out<br /> [11:12] Arielle Popstar: keeps you busy<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: ahh fixed a old bug on LSL also<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: algo reported by vicent ppl and the very next day here lol<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: seems a script did turn very popular<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: that one, not sure if mine.. it was there for ages<br /> [11:14] Arielle Popstar: dont need Priscilla Kleenex with that sort of bug<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That was a fun one to figure out, lots of bad LSL code hiding a weird little bug of being a bit too liberal with types<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: yeah that line of code on the script was just bad..<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: but well did hit a bug we had, not doing proper cast of a velocity vector to lsl vector<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: the cpu and memory we waste bc that decision to use doubles on lsl grrr<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: whatever<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably a good thing YEngine unearths this stuff in a more drastic manner though<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Maybe it'll mean less bad LSL code in future, one can dream<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Scripts some people write to work at all<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: also made more useless changes on dotnet branch<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: inc removing a bit more of XEngine that was still there<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One way making code run faster is removing parts of it, so it's progress heh<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: and a thing OSSLPrim that i totally forgot the use it had, if i ever did :)<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: ( well that one i left in comment in case anyone remembers that needs it badly )<br /> [11:20] Arielle Popstar: what breaks with removing xengine code?<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: for some reason OSSL was keeping a copy of several props of prims, encapsulated on that<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: possible for that other thing i did remove some yrs ago<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: Yengine sintaxe is more correct and less forgiving<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: OSSLPrim goes back to at least September of 2008.<br /> [11:22] Arielle Popstar: more correct?<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: yes<br /> [11:22] Arielle Popstar: do9es it matter?<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: more by ll rules<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: well even programming rules<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: see now Yengine does have break<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: actually do did XEngine LOL<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: ?<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: bug just bc XEngine did fail to detect it was a error<br /> [11:24] Arielle Popstar: so it worked anyway in spite of bug?<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: and did jsut copy it to the intermediate c# code<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: so... kinda worked<br /> [11:24] Arielle Popstar: fault tolerant?<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: just accident<br /> [11:24] Arielle Popstar: more code should be fault tolerant<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: well someone was using it and was suprise Yengine did list it as its own new feature<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: it also did things like llDie;<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: forgot to check for the ()<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: YEngine does tolerate some bad code design. Example you can use the same variable name globally and in local context and it does actually know which is which, at least until you start mixing them into each other<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: and ofc did fail to parse some math<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: like &lt;3,4,5&gt; - &lt;a,b,c&gt;<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: or similar ( there are several mantis on it )<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, other programming languages let you do that. Not advisable unless one really knows what one is doing as it can be the cause of subtle bugs.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: we had to put () there<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: vicent that is standard<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yep, but XEngine will bark at you for using the same names regardless of context<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: and a reason why all tell to avoid globals on programs<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: and added namespaces, etc<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: heh<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just shows the different ways things parse, XEngine looking globally and YEngine being aware of context<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: if use same name on a local, then only that will be used, ignoring the global<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: standard thing<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: wil be used on that scope/method ofc<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: In some compiled languages you may get a warning about that type of use.<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: YEngine being closer to LSL standard should improve quality of scripts, given you no longer have to work around the XEngine quirks<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Actually using sleep in a somewhat non-destructive manner is really nice<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: well and llSleep is safe :)<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: ofc not perfect.. but.. neither is vincent<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Birds of a kind flock together, must be some reason I attract all the bugs lately<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: but well 2 fixed<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: so i can make more<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I got some more stuff on mantis to re-test and see so may have some more minor changes depending on the results<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The whole double float thing has been tripping up minor rounding errors for years<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: yeah now and then ppl have surprise bc diferent round<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: but well what to say<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: it was even c# mentality<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: C3 as floats but the math lib only did double<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: c# has..<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: sure the intel FPUs where kinda double only<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: in fact a bit more than double<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: so they did all at same higher res<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It does make sense given the larger regions to have as much precision as possible though I would argue<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: but storage was difent saving 4 bytes per number<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: well but on region code all uses float<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: only LSL uses double<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: so.. bahh whatever<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: well the old FPU is now replaced on recent cpus my the SIMD math silicon<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: and on that, floats get own instructions<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: still most take the same time as double.. but a few are faster as float<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: so that no .net added a new math lib<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: MathF<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: ie math with floats<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: ( for now a lot is just calls to the old one :P )<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: well ages ago i changed our terrain storage from double to float<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: so on some blogs im considered a very bad programmer<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: ( i maybe... but not exactly bc of that :P )<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Time consuming to change, breaking existing scripts and losing precision on larger regions, kinda speaks heavily against change it now. I was thinking about adding some form of alternative math and just override the concerning LSL functions, but I don't think that is possible via modules<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: that was other spot where ppl decided to use doubles<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: to represent something that has like 16bits of precision on viewers<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: duhhh<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: and is sent with a loosy jpeg like compressor<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: well details<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Worlds prettiest dumpster fire heh<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well but our worse things are the XML based protocols<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: we cant' do anything about the ones to/from viewers<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: but ours are even worse<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: see a asset binary data ie sent from assets server to regions uuencode<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: ( ie base64 encoded)<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: that makes it 4/3 larger<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: plus all the time encodign and decoding..<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: so it fits on a ... ofc XML blabla<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: but again.. XML was the best thing for many back in first decade of 2000's<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Which internally isn't even as strict as it is supposed to be, so other parsers have trouble with it<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Search has been a pain to get right<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: ms also did love it<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: a bit better.. sure :)<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For some stuff it makes sense, but when you have more structure than actual data it becomes bloat<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: shh don't tell them that the 'j' on json means JAVA, that they hate...<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, in what way has search been a pain?<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you recall I redid most of it to figure out how it works and how to properly parse the data it gives<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There has been some nasty errors in parsing because of special chars and structure not being entirely correct<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I fixed most on the web end, but I been meaning to look over datasnapshot itself to find the structure issues<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: well protocols are a mess<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: dotnet offers several things to make microservices blabla<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well the better threading that comes along with that might mean we can load regions more before they crash<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: some use protobuffers, other use MessagePack, etc..<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: i just don't like any of those to start changing<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: At least the documentation is being updated along with it for the most part, that used to be neglected so it was trial and error whenever a change was made<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: doc what? what is that?<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: heh<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They still do the &quot;this is deprecated now&quot; without a word on what else to use or how one could work around it<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just, it's gone, now f off lol<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: you will seen.. soon they will also do commits &quot;cosmetics..&quot;<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: will see<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: &quot;Code in haste, document at leisure&quot;<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: yup<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: what version is digi using mot?<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: well ofc own naming etc..<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Another project says &quot;this is deprecated. Use blah&quot;<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: well i did hide a lot of such messages on dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: shhhh don't tell<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: like all the bitmap things.. bahh<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: ah hi did update the build instructions on that branch BUILDIND.md<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim/src/dotnet6/BUILDING.md<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I noticed there had been changes to that file.<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: once can run opensim without mono installed now<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: ... run it on windows :p<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: kidding, on linux, installing dotnet and libgdiplus<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Still need to get the mess that is dotnet installed, plus the other dependencies usually shipped long with mono<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: only libgdi that debian 11 has as .deb<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: it seems<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Technically all just files so can fetch them from existing mono thing if need be<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: yeah it is there if mono is installed<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: dotnet itself can be tricky to install I have found, dependency tree not setup well, but eventually you get it working<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: this boxes are on debian, installed easy<br /> [12:06] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: must fo -- bye all<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: cya<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: tc Selby<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: me too<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: well its time<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: 19:00 utc<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: 19:07<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour. did someone else have any question/comment to make before we pack it in.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see any signs that someone is typing so I will take that as a no.<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Don't forget that clocks change in North America this coming weekend. If you forget you will be an hour early for next weeks meeting.<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-11-04T06:00:32Z

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2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 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2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-10-25 2022-10-25T19:40:26Z

<p>Kcozens: Forgot pre tag</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so abotu last week changes on code :)<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i kept doing changes on the dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a lot just code style changes, a few with performance impact<br /> [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: some, both on main code and libopenmetaverse with more direct performance impact<br /> [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: using some new features of .net.6 like readonlyspan, etc<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on both main and dotnet i added 2 new LSL functions<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for compatibility with sl<br /> [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: llSHA256String() that i just like osSHA256 we already had<br /> [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and llObjectGetLinkKey<br /> [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like name says allows to get the uuid of a prim or sitting avatar on another linkset<br /> [11:19 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I have a question about HG settings: On a small grid with HG access, in the GridCommon.ini of every region, in the [HGAssetService]<br /> section, I set DisallowExport =&quot;Unknown, Texture, ...&quot; to prevent copybotting. It worked, we can't give anything to any HG visitors. What doesn't work is: I commented that line out in one region as a transfer location to give stuff to HG vistors. Restarted, still cannot give anything to HG visitors. Is there a good reason why I can't turn this off? (It is not set in Robust.ini)<br /> [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly that works at low level<br /> [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: assets transfer. people may get broken inventory items<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: We get an viewer pop-up with a message about unable to transfer that item or some such.<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it not present, assets should be allowed<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The viewer error is &quot;Not allowed to transfer this item.&quot;<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and console?<br /> [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes and region console?<br /> [11:28 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: looking...<br /> [11:29 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: No error, I get just the atempt to transfer: &quot; [INVENTORY TRANSFER]: (giving) Inserting item 5565ded4-0512-494e-afe8-59d29b9ae5bf into agent 95c7aca2-1965-4df9-af94-cdcbe7afed0a's inventory<br /> &quot;<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure the peer ahs allowed import ?<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I created several cubes with full perm to test with.<br /> [11:32 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I tried the same transfer in a region with DissallowExport and without, I see the same transfer message and the same viewer error.<br /> [11:34 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Tried several destination avs, including this one here in OSGrid<br /> [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well on my test regions i also have that comment out and tranfers work<br /> [11:35 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I've never uncommented it before, have seen transfers work on another grid, was happy when they did not on this one (since that was the plan)<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also check the urls<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Arielle! Welcome!<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi Kayaker :)<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi all<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HomeURI there<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: [HGAssetService] HomeURI<br /> [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: still confusing that one<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also be sure that the SRV_ entry on origin grid is correct<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: That appears in several sections, I'm using the default: HomeURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah but confusing, because may be diferent things<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in same places may be the global thing, on others relative to that service<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: ?What is the SRV_entry?\<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc no fun if that was simple and clear :p<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: .<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on robust.ini<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: SRV_HomeURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_InventoryServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_AssetServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_ProfileServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_FriendsServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_IMServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_GroupsServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and on StandaloneCommon.ini<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: why does the IM server not store offline messages from friends in another grid?<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Ah, that is in Robust.ini. I am using those defaults as well.<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can you fix it?<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: possible issues with potencial unkown ids<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HG visitor ids are not very presistent<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: if the message arrived when i am online it seems it should be available to be stored when i am not<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even on friends<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try to look<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: thank you<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Report it in a Mantis!<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha mantis alwyas helps<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.I was at my workbench so I didn't notice the time and then my cat wanted play time.<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: not really a bug as it has always been that way<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ;)<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah, guess there is a deeper reason, somewhere :)<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: diva might know<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I've noticed there is a different message if you try to send to a HG user who is on-line than when they are off-line.<br /> [11:48 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The off-line message says &quot;unable to deliver&quot; or something that inidicates the message was lost.<br /> [11:48 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes seems like that<br /> [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well a lost one can't be stored on recepient offline, ofc<br /> [11:49 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: My solution has been to HG jump the the destination grid, then send an IM and it is stored (somewhere) and the destination AV get it on next login<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is a dif issue, possible<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes, done the same but a bit of a clunky workaround<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but need check<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: may happen target offline returns that<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: there is also a off grid spam issue<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: potencial spam issue<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: the viewers have spam protection?<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: inside a grid the sender uuid is known<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: via HG, they are not known<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: but if they are listed as a friend then not really unknown<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and IMs can't go waste time checking friends everywhere<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes my friends are deeper on another service and another db<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just checking is opening a big DDOS door<br /> [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but well need check<br /> [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess we also only have some ddos checks sender side.. not or recvrs<br /> [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( ie msg throttles )<br /> [11:54 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can that be instituted receiver side?<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: (busy response): Unable to send instant message. User is not logged in.<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: are messages UDP?<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: udp is only use to viewers<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: all damm heavy http elsewhere<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: what the advanytage with http then/.<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that was the msg o got here sending a im to me at my grid :)<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ppl just love http<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll is moving all udp to http<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ir http on top of tcp<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: at same time google moved http 3 to udp<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes i was reading that a while ago<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is a lot industry &quot;fastion&quot;<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: back in 2010 or so, it was all http and xml<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: xmlrpc or rest etc<br /> [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: now many just replaced xml by json<br /> [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: others like google some binary protocol again, like google protobuf<br /> [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so opensim APIs where made with 2000, 2010 ideas<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly so current new SL apis<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: for example profiles are current broken on fs beta<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and other viewers<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: Beq already spent hours fixing it, but still issus<br /> [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just LL totally killed it<br /> [12:02 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing that<br /> [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll had no code for &quot;legacy profiles&quot; only web ones<br /> [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: added again the &quot;legacy&quot; but with a very bad http api that i just refuse to add<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc would mean changes from regions to grid backend<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: inc other profile modules<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but as i said Beq already did fi most of them<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just a few issues with picks et<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i'm on the newest beta but it isnt working here<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we actually should make a fs jira on those<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it does show several things<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: where?<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: profiles<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i've gotta go yall have a great day<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i just looked at your profile and nothing but your name<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: hmm ok when i r-click on you and select profile i do<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok maybe just needs more time then it used to to fill<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: oops<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: lol<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sorry closed the wrong viewer :)<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: fs 6.6.5.68123 does show most<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ubit test profile blank<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: not picks<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: and no notes<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: https://gyazo.com/ea97bd261b8c636906157c7dd50a1995<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Test: is that the version i told?<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: thats on 64.6.6.6.68324<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: 666, the number of the beast!<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ohh mre recent than mine?<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yah noticed that<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well them possible there was a regression<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc on tht 6.6.5 most was working<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm on 6.6.3 and I can see my own profile.<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There is even profile data in the web tab.<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes LL code was merge after 6.6..3<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and deleted all the good code fs had<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: feed works for me<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange how 6.6.6 is worse that 6.6.5<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: mergede with s/l viewer code?<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: 6.6..5 i have has Beq fixes<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: putting back most the lludp code we need<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: only on the opensim viewer?<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [12:13 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: RL calling, gota go. Thanks all!<br /> [12:13 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tc Kay<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wle Beq knows the issue and is working on it, when has time :)<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hope other viewer devs also<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc really the now LL API is just BAD<br /> [12:15 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the new, i mean<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so sad how the replace some really good lludp byt pretty bad http xml crap<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but in case of this API is even worse.. is to do a lot more trafic<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:17 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: This is another reason we need our own viewer so we don't have to worry about how LL might make things worse.<br /> [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well fear future merge of dotnet6 into master will be a big pain<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the way i moved BOTH at same time<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: merge will be a big pain :)<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: cant we use the FS opensim one<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but at this point im keeping 2 diferent code bases<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we do use fs for opensim ofc<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or any other viewer version for opensim, if they have both<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes but why not from before their latest merge?<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the last release ins 6.6.3<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and that is bf merge<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: betas do have the issue<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc we can stay on 6.6.3 until there is a fix<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but that is bad<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: why?<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we all miss also code like rendering improvements<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: no new features is there?<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well there are those.. rendering performance improvements<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: have those been an improvemtn in opensim/./<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: its render side.. same as sl<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so between a rock and a hard place<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well i hope Beq will find the time to fix the last issues<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: my 6.6.5 is almost there<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: as i said only picks and notes still bad<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange that 6.6.6<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure its for opensim?<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so you cant save any nasty notes about me<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i use paper on that<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: supposedly according to the one i picked<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: postits all around the monitor even<br /> [12:24 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: haha hard copy, good idea<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Not a good idea for me. The cat would start trying to play with them and knock them off on to the desk.<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is also possible ?? all Beq work is still not merged into main fs ???<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: it came up on a web page<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing i can find it in history<br /> [12:26 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i see the 6.6.6 notice at sl<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well dunno<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try that 6.6.6<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: not seeing. I was surprised it triggered a web page though<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: had a list of different beta versions<br /> [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: S/L windows, linux etx<br /> [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: as well as Opensim<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: nothing in e-mail<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i see it on a SL group<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel Beta versions are that... working test versions<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Osgrid concurrency is really increasing<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing 188 online<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: bet a lot of s/l people are worried<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: with the Tilla spin off<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: tilla?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tilia<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the money thing?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: what's that?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: they are a seperate company now<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: sorry..haven't been in the SL realm for awhile now<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The payment processor being used by LL for SL.<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sl made a companie to run the currency<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc legal reasons etc<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ah... interesting<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: they where already another company<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but on same group<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I need to go. Will you post the meeting log?<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: then got investments from Chase Manhatten bank<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: interesting... found their site<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cant you do it later?<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess meeting is over now<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I can. I'll wait a while until the chat logger is turned off.<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well meeting is over :)<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hehe<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Thank you all for coming. See you next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-10-25 2022-10-25T19:39:27Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>[11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so abotu last week changes on code :)<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i kept doing changes on the dotnet6 branch<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: a lot just code style changes, a few with performance impact<br /> [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: some, both on main code and libopenmetaverse with more direct performance impact<br /> [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: using some new features of .net.6 like readonlyspan, etc<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on both main and dotnet i added 2 new LSL functions<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: for compatibility with sl<br /> [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: llSHA256String() that i just like osSHA256 we already had<br /> [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and llObjectGetLinkKey<br /> [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like name says allows to get the uuid of a prim or sitting avatar on another linkset<br /> [11:19 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I have a question about HG settings: On a small grid with HG access, in the GridCommon.ini of every region, in the [HGAssetService]<br /> section, I set DisallowExport =&quot;Unknown, Texture, ...&quot; to prevent copybotting. It worked, we can't give anything to any HG visitors. What doesn't work is: I commented that line out in one region as a transfer location to give stuff to HG vistors. Restarted, still cannot give anything to HG visitors. Is there a good reason why I can't turn this off? (It is not set in Robust.ini)<br /> [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly that works at low level<br /> [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: assets transfer. people may get broken inventory items<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: We get an viewer pop-up with a message about unable to transfer that item or some such.<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it not present, assets should be allowed<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The viewer error is &quot;Not allowed to transfer this item.&quot;<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and console?<br /> [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes and region console?<br /> [11:28 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: looking...<br /> [11:29 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: No error, I get just the atempt to transfer: &quot; [INVENTORY TRANSFER]: (giving) Inserting item 5565ded4-0512-494e-afe8-59d29b9ae5bf into agent 95c7aca2-1965-4df9-af94-cdcbe7afed0a's inventory<br /> &quot;<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure the peer ahs allowed import ?<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I created several cubes with full perm to test with.<br /> [11:32 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I tried the same transfer in a region with DissallowExport and without, I see the same transfer message and the same viewer error.<br /> [11:34 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Tried several destination avs, including this one here in OSGrid<br /> [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well on my test regions i also have that comment out and tranfers work<br /> [11:35 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I've never uncommented it before, have seen transfers work on another grid, was happy when they did not on this one (since that was the plan)<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also check the urls<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Arielle! Welcome!<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi Kayaker :)<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: Hi all<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HomeURI there<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: [HGAssetService] HomeURI<br /> [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: still confusing that one<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also be sure that the SRV_ entry on origin grid is correct<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: That appears in several sections, I'm using the default: HomeURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah but confusing, because may be diferent things<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in same places may be the global thing, on others relative to that service<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: ?What is the SRV_entry?\<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc no fun if that was simple and clear :p<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: .<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on robust.ini<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: SRV_HomeURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_InventoryServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_AssetServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_ProfileServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_FriendsServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_IMServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> SRV_GroupsServerURI = &quot;${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}&quot;<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and on StandaloneCommon.ini<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: why does the IM server not store offline messages from friends in another grid?<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Ah, that is in Robust.ini. I am using those defaults as well.<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can you fix it?<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: possible issues with potencial unkown ids<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: HG visitor ids are not very presistent<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: if the message arrived when i am online it seems it should be available to be stored when i am not<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: even on friends<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try to look<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: thank you<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: Report it in a Mantis!<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeha mantis alwyas helps<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.I was at my workbench so I didn't notice the time and then my cat wanted play time.<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: not really a bug as it has always been that way<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ;)<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah, guess there is a deeper reason, somewhere :)<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: diva might know<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: I've noticed there is a different message if you try to send to a HG user who is on-line than when they are off-line.<br /> [11:48 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: The off-line message says &quot;unable to deliver&quot; or something that inidicates the message was lost.<br /> [11:48 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes seems like that<br /> [11:49 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well a lost one can't be stored on recepient offline, ofc<br /> [11:49 AM PT] Kayaker Magic: My solution has been to HG jump the the destination grid, then send an IM and it is stored (somewhere) and the destination AV get it on next login<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is a dif issue, possible<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes, done the same but a bit of a clunky workaround<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but need check<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: may happen target offline returns that<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: there is also a off grid spam issue<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: potencial spam issue<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: the viewers have spam protection?<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: inside a grid the sender uuid is known<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: via HG, they are not known<br /> [11:51 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: but if they are listed as a friend then not really unknown<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and IMs can't go waste time checking friends everywhere<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes my friends are deeper on another service and another db<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: just checking is opening a big DDOS door<br /> [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but well need check<br /> [11:53 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess we also only have some ddos checks sender side.. not or recvrs<br /> [11:54 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ( ie msg throttles )<br /> [11:54 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: can that be instituted receiver side?<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: (busy response): Unable to send instant message. User is not logged in.<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: are messages UDP?<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: udp is only use to viewers<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: all damm heavy http elsewhere<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: what the advanytage with http then/.<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that was the msg o got here sending a im to me at my grid :)<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ppl just love http<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll is moving all udp to http<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ir http on top of tcp<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: at same time google moved http 3 to udp<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes i was reading that a while ago<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is a lot industry &quot;fastion&quot;<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: back in 2010 or so, it was all http and xml<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: xmlrpc or rest etc<br /> [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: now many just replaced xml by json<br /> [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: others like google some binary protocol again, like google protobuf<br /> [12:00 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so opensim APIs where made with 2000, 2010 ideas<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sadly so current new SL apis<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: for example profiles are current broken on fs beta<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and other viewers<br /> [12:01 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: Beq already spent hours fixing it, but still issus<br /> [12:02 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just LL totally killed it<br /> [12:02 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing that<br /> [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ll had no code for &quot;legacy profiles&quot; only web ones<br /> [12:03 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: added again the &quot;legacy&quot; but with a very bad http api that i just refuse to add<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc would mean changes from regions to grid backend<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: inc other profile modules<br /> [12:04 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but as i said Beq already did fi most of them<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: just a few issues with picks et<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i'm on the newest beta but it isnt working here<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we actually should make a fs jira on those<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it does show several things<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: where?<br /> [12:05 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: profiles<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i've gotta go yall have a great day<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: i just looked at your profile and nothing but your name<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by<br /> [12:06 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: hmm ok when i r-click on you and select profile i do<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok maybe just needs more time then it used to to fill<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: oops<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Test: lol<br /> [12:07 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sorry closed the wrong viewer :)<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: fs 6.6.5.68123 does show most<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ubit test profile blank<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: not picks<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Ubit Test: and no notes<br /> [12:08 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: https://gyazo.com/ea97bd261b8c636906157c7dd50a1995<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Test: is that the version i told?<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: thats on 64.6.6.6.68324<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: 666, the number of the beast!<br /> [12:09 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ohh mre recent than mine?<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yah noticed that<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well them possible there was a regression<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc on tht 6.6.5 most was working<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm on 6.6.3 and I can see my own profile.<br /> [12:10 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: There is even profile data in the web tab.<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes LL code was merge after 6.6..3<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and deleted all the good code fs had<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: feed works for me<br /> [12:11 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange how 6.6.6 is worse that 6.6.5<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: mergede with s/l viewer code?<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: 6.6..5 i have has Beq fixes<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: putting back most the lludp code we need<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: only on the opensim viewer?<br /> [12:12 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [12:13 PM PT] Kayaker Magic: RL calling, gota go. Thanks all!<br /> [12:13 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tc Kay<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wle Beq knows the issue and is working on it, when has time :)<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: hope other viewer devs also<br /> [12:14 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc really the now LL API is just BAD<br /> [12:15 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the new, i mean<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: so sad how the replace some really good lludp byt pretty bad http xml crap<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but in case of this API is even worse.. is to do a lot more trafic<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:16 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:17 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: This is another reason we need our own viewer so we don't have to worry about how LL might make things worse.<br /> [12:17 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well fear future merge of dotnet6 into master will be a big pain<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the way i moved BOTH at same time<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: merge will be a big pain :)<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: cant we use the FS opensim one<br /> [12:18 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but at this point im keeping 2 diferent code bases<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we do use fs for opensim ofc<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: or any other viewer version for opensim, if they have both<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes but why not from before their latest merge?<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the last release ins 6.6.3<br /> [12:19 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: and that is bf merge<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: betas do have the issue<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc we can stay on 6.6.3 until there is a fix<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but that is bad<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: why?<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: we all miss also code like rendering improvements<br /> [12:20 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: no new features is there?<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well there are those.. rendering performance improvements<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: have those been an improvemtn in opensim/./<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [12:21 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: its render side.. same as sl<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so between a rock and a hard place<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well i hope Beq will find the time to fix the last issues<br /> [12:22 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: my 6.6.5 is almost there<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: as i said only picks and notes still bad<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: strange that 6.6.6<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sure its for opensim?<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: so you cant save any nasty notes about me<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i use paper on that<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: supposedly according to the one i picked<br /> [12:23 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: postits all around the monitor even<br /> [12:24 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: haha hard copy, good idea<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Not a good idea for me. The cat would start trying to play with them and knock them off on to the desk.<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: it is also possible ?? all Beq work is still not merged into main fs ???<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: it came up on a web page<br /> [12:25 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing i can find it in history<br /> [12:26 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: oh i see the 6.6.6 notice at sl<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well dunno<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: ill try that 6.6.6<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: not seeing. I was surprised it triggered a web page though<br /> [12:27 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: had a list of different beta versions<br /> [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: S/L windows, linux etx<br /> [12:28 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: as well as Opensim<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: nothing in e-mail<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: i see it on a SL group<br /> [12:29 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: ok<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: wel Beta versions are that... working test versions<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Osgrid concurrency is really increasing<br /> [12:30 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: seeing 188 online<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: bet a lot of s/l people are worried<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: with the Tilla spin off<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: tilla?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: Tilia<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: the money thing?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: what's that?<br /> [12:31 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: yes<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: they are a seperate company now<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: sorry..haven't been in the SL realm for awhile now<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: The payment processor being used by LL for SL.<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: sl made a companie to run the currency<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: bc legal reasons etc<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ah... interesting<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: they where already another company<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: but on same group<br /> [12:32 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I need to go. Will you post the meeting log?<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Arielle Popstar: then got investments from Chase Manhatten bank<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: interesting... found their site<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: cant you do it later?<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: guess meeting is over now<br /> [12:33 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I can. I'll wait a while until the chat logger is turned off.<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Ubit Umarov: well meeting is over :)<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hehe<br /> [12:34 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Thank you all for coming. See you next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-10-25T19:38:16Z

<p>Kcozens: New meeting entry</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-10-18 2022-10-18T19:40:49Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:00] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 grins.<br /> [11:01] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Hiyas. :)<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Marcus.<br /> [11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: hmm something tells me ocss time is arriving<br /> [11:01] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Teehee.<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: oscc even<br /> [11:02] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yes, the wheels are in motion. And as always, we'd love to have all of you there. :)<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I've mentioned it a couple of times recently. It is being held on Dec 10 and 11.<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:03] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 waves to Kayaker. :)<br /> [11:04] Kayaker Magic: Ubit! We missed you last week!<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: btw sorry about last week, i was not feeling well, so missed it<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: missed the meeting, i mean<br /> [11:04] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, looks like you still have a burning in your throat<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: oh? dang.. :)<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: wel abotu opensim code changes... not many<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Sorry to hear you weren't well last week. I wondered what kept you away from joining us.<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Most of the past weeks changes were making use of changes in C#.<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: more changes on the dotnet 6.0 branch a lot just updating some code stylem witgout any meaningfull improvements other than maybe readability<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: but a few shound have some performance impact, even if small<br /> [11:07] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yay for dotnet6 branch! :)<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie.<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: since visual studio messages help find some cases, i do the less useful just to clean the messages list<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: for example list a = new list();<br /> [11:08] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everybody<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: can now be list a = new();<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: questionable.. and visual change only<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: but ive done several, as i said to take those messages out of vs list so easy spoting others<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: this region is on that branch, and so far we are alive :)<br /> [11:10] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Cool. :)<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: osgrid decide to move all their regions to it also<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, it is waiting for us to get in to an interesting discussion before it will crash. ;)<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: so lbsa, event plaza, sanfboxes.. all on dotnet6<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Wow. I would have thought that is taking a bit of a chance.<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: wright... all osgrid regions<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: seems very visible savings on resources like CPU and ram<br /> [11:12] Kayaker Magic: What OS is this server running? Linux? MicroSquishy?<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Sounds good. How significant are the savings of each?<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: like ram usage average down to 1GB from 4GB on one case<br /> [11:13] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Nice.<br /> [11:13] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I imagine that the entire build process has been overhauled on the dotnet branch? (sorry, I'm way behind on this news.)<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Wow. I wasn't expecting it to be that significant a change.<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah Marcus it is a breaking change<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, you need to be here more often. :)<br /> [11:13] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Probably should yeah. :P<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: i did update prebuild so part of the migration is automatic<br /> [11:14] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: What about modules that rely on Mono's add-ons? (mautil) Diva's Wifi, for example.<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: but then we still need to copy at least one dll by hand, for the local platform<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: no idea<br /> [11:14] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I'll take that up with Crista. :)<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: we also use mono addins, and those are still as compiled to framework<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: and so far working<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: ofc Diva makes a deeper use of them.. so.. no idea<br /> [11:15] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: So just takes some extra finesse?<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: possible<br /> [11:16] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 noda amiably.<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: i didn't look much to robust<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: but thing osgrid also did migrate it<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: think<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: it a big breakign change, but a lot on limited areas<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: like no appdomains...<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: on a lot of code, it just does it fine<br /> [11:18] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Sounds good to me. It's a change that has to happen. Eventually Mono will fade out.<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: if not i would be porting opensim to c++ :p<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We talked about this, no self-harming xD<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: ofc we lost several things<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: like XEngine that makes no sense without appdomains<br /> [11:19] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods amiably.<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: all out automaitc tests need deep rewrite<br /> [11:20] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I've already got AvaCon grid using YEngine, and plan the same for the OSCC grid.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: they where already on obsolet nunit 2.0<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and many do depend on xengine, for example<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: I just checked and 2.0 is rather old. It is possible to download Nunit 3.13<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: ofc tests are only useful as development code validation<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: have no impact on real runtime code<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They have been useful a few times lately<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Detecting some potential edge cases and such<br /> [11:22] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: That validation has played in important roles for things like permissions in the past, IIRC.<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: yeah they have limited use... but not null<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: so.. on TODO.. one day :P<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well sadly they are a lot more limited<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: That would be another way for a new contributor to help out.<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: bc they are made as direct image of the current code<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I spent last week fixing up the tests we do have as best as possible in prep to have them at least all working again before attempting to port to nunit3<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: if that code is wrong, so they are<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: permissions is such a complex case<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: they are made as &quot;current idea&quot; of what this or that permission should be, not how is actually is :)<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is still something broken somewhere with export permissions as well<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: in other words, they are made based on current code implementation so that code does pass, not based on a higher level of the funcionality<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: that makes them a lot useless<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: sadly a lot of them are like that<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: doen after the code so THAT code does pass<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: see what i mean?<br /> [11:26] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yup<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: A few are very basic indeed only loading relevant paths of code and testing if conversions or something are running as designed. Less testing more like &quot;does math.ceil work&quot;<br /> [11:27] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Pass/Fail only says it doesn't crash, not that it works as intended.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: well reason why i killed several in past..<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In regards to the script tests at least I did figure out how to basically start a near full scene to check if the output of a script matches<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: they where plain wrong :)<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, that would depend on the tests. I've written tests for a project that check that code works as expected.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: now all disabled on dotnet6 branch :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: for now...<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The notecard line test that I been having trouble with is just checking if adding lines to it shows up in the assets data for example<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Fairly useless test cause unlikely that ever fails<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Annoyingly that one test keeps getting stuck for no reason as well breaking builds<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, Definitely not going far enough.<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: i did little changes on both master and dotnet<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: like fix a old setting on HG and killing respective warnin<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think apart from the notecard tests I have gotten all tests we have and did have working again<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: mantis 9032<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even the performance tests<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: ohh fixed a bug on ubode<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: fy = m_mass * fy + m_force.Z + m_forceacc.Y;<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: was not cool :)<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: another of my c&amp;p typos<br /> [11:31] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 pretends he knows what that refers to and looks horrified. :)<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: That does look a little suspect<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: this was a recent bug.. so only a few got it<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: well fixed<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is still another bug somewhere in there causing massive lag with mesh physics, but I am still tracking down which commit introduced that specifically. Think I mentioned that before. Annoyingly it's time consuming testing commit by commit so will be a while<br /> [11:32] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yay!<br /> [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: Vincent, you can't use bisect to help track it down?<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: possible that bug is on the side of the mesh creator :p<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: With how I do builds no I gotta do one by one<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think it's something with meshing actually, triggering not immediately<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: there where changes also on unmanaged ubode<br /> [11:35] Andrew Hellershanks: Too bad. Bisect was meant to reduce number of code builds needed to track down when a bug was introduced.<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: but those impact all meshes<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's just 20 or so, that's not a big deal really, had worse<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: bisec is just a binary search<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I have used it on very rare occasions to find the source of a bug.<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: and region still alive! ;)<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's odd, it only triggers after a certain amount of time, not immediately. I think something is causing re-meshing of physics mesh or something like that. Region crossing does make it appear pretty instantly. Also not on all regions either, some are totally fine<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: well its like 3rd week on dotnet 6 no?<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: ofc several changes..<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I never get the easy stuff, I get the bugs that demand hours of work to track down and fix, just my luck<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, it wouldn't be half the fun if it was easy. :)<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: i made a &quot;deep&quot; change on ubode<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Makes fixing them more satisfying that's for sure<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: indeed.<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: moved the avatars broadband phase to managed code<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: so saving a lot of managed/unmanaged crossings..<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: wel some.. :)<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: i may go on doing that on other cases<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: since dotnet 6.0 math code is now closer to c++<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: at least on intel cpus<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: sadly we can't use all improvements<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: for example they added Vector math, sometime ago that does use SIMD automaticly<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: in System.Numerics<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: that is alrady old news.. there since net4.5 or so<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: and was pretty bad... a lot worse than our Vector3 on libomv<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: but they keep trying and improving.. so now it may be a bit better<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: but we just can't use<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: bc all out code does depend on our Vector3<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: bahh fun fun<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: and on things like this we cant ever make a vector3 as good as native one<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: bc MS ( like mono did ) does cheat<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:45] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 wonders if there's a good equivalent to numpy for C#.<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: the JIT code generator knows ONLY about those native types and does optimizations, even replacing entire code, only on those<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: the opensim source c# of vector3 is just totally igoned at runtime<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: JIT sees it is a vector3 and replaces it all by c++ made code<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just under 15 minutes to the top of the hour. Before we continue Marcus has something to say about the upcoming OSCC event.<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, go ahead if you are ready.<br /> [11:48] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I'd like to invite everyone to attend! :) As Andrew mentioned earlier, it will be held on Decemeber 10-11 this year. We're still accepting proposals (one of you has already submitted one, yay!)<br /> [11:48] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: We're also still planning on highlighting work by core devs, so would love to have you guys again. :)<br /> [11:49] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I plan to upgrade the OSCC grid to 0.9.2.1. I am just waiting on Diva, because we rely heavily on one of her modules as part of conference registration.<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: oh 0.9.2.1.. so old<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: but guess there will not be a 0.9.2.2 net4.6 release soon<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: It will be good to have that grid updated to a new version of code. It should have been updated to a newer release a couple of years ago but circumstances prevented that from happening.<br /> [11:50] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: It's the last stable release. I would love to run the latest and greatest, but only have the mental bandwidth to use a build designated as stable. Too many other tasks. :)<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: but 21 guess is ok :)<br /> [11:51] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: It was upgraded for last year's conference.<br /> [11:51] Kayaker Magic: Yeah! I recall it was running YEngine last year@!<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... I must have last checked what version it was running before it had been updated.<br /> [11:51] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: You asked for it, and you got it. ;)<br /> [11:51] Kayaker Magic: hehe<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:51] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Well, we're always far behind master.<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: well for a reason we do have the so called &quot;releases&quot; :)<br /> [11:52] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yeah.<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: It was at one point when 0.9 had been out for a year or two and the OSCC grid was stlil on 0.8, IIRC.<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: master can be suicidal :)<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: wel 0.9 had a lot of resistence<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, there was also that.<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: still many out ther on 0.8.x<br /> [11:53] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I inherited grid admin duties for OSCC, but not sudo access at that time. That's all been cleared up.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, I don't know if I should say congratulations or commiserate with you. :) Fortunately the OSCC grid isn't that large.<br /> [11:54] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Oh, and I spose I ought to refer a link to the conference. https://conference.opensimulator.org/<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, good idea. ty<br /> [11:55] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Hehe. OSCC isn't too bad, no. I reworked a of the scripts that automate things.<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: Are you talking scripts that automate things in-world or on the servers, or both?<br /> [11:56] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: bash scripts on the server side.<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: ok.<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: It takes time to work out ways to make it easier to admin a lot of regions for a grid.<br /> [11:58] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I mostly just have a bunch of scripts that fire up regions grouped into custom .screenrc files. Some other stuff for backups, auto-kicking bad HGers, etc.<br /> [11:58] Kayaker Magic: And every grid manager rolls their own management code....<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, so true.<br /> [11:58] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yeah. neb and my ways aren't too dissimilar, fortunately.<br /> [12:00] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: And I like using ANSI codes. ;)<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm only dealing with a very small grid that has about a half dozen regions. I use some shell scripts to maintain it. When I was dealing with three servers and several hundred regions I had a C# program that provided a web based system to aid in the management of the regions.<br /> [12:01] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I've thought about doing a server/agent style management system in C#. Never got around to it, and I'm inclined not to fix what ain't broke. Heh.<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, It probably isn't worth the effort for a grid the size of the OSCC.<br /> [12:01] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods amiably.<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: (that did remind me on dotnet6 the performancegap btw debug and release mode is larger)<br /> [12:02] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Good to know.<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: ( well also large on .net 4.6 / mono... not as on old days where was abotu the same )<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, good luck with your admin duties and on the OSCC. Was there anything else you wanted to say about the event or the dates for any events leading up to it?<br /> [12:04] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Just to please check out the website! We'd love to see people there either as presenters, volunteers (we can always use more greeters!) or as an attendee! :)<br /> [12:05] Kayaker Magic: Wasn't the deadline for presentations YETERDAY?<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll be at the Keynote if it is once again with the core devs. I'm just glad the times for the OSCC are west coast times. I've seen RL conferences that have their Keynotes starting at 8am. I'm not up that early. :)<br /> [12:06] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: It was. It's been extended, and we've pretty much always been relaxed about late submissions anyway.<br /> [12:06] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Some people are never on time. ;)<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: True.<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you again, Marcus.<br /> [12:07] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Sure thing!<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: We are now just past the top of the hour. Did anyone else have any questions/comments for todays meeting before people need to leave?<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If anyone is interested to help out a little we have mantis issue numbers 3535, 3644 and 2357 concerning texture position and rotation behavior that evidently at one point did not work correctly. I have re-tested them and couldn't find any issue, but it would be useful to have some more feedback in order to verify that it is fixed.<br /> [12:07] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I have an annoying grid issue I can't figure out with baking, if I may pick some brains? (braaaaains)<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: mantis 3k was what opensim 0.6.x ?<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks, Vincent.<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Last update on them claimed bug still present in .7x and I had issues that said the same and were broken still<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Ouch. That would make them extremely old bugs. BTW, nunit 2.0 is from 2002.<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: The mantis issues Vincent mentioned are from 2008 and 2009.<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, you can go ahead with your issue about baking.<br /> [12:10] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Thanks. :)<br /> [12:12] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: So, about two months ago AvaCon grid has a catastrophic RAID crash. Happily, I had offsite SQL backups. Everything seems to be fine except that avatar baking is really bad. It isn't like there is all that much to XBakes, so I'm been banging my head againast my desk trying to figure out what I might be missing.<br /> [12:13] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: That grid is currently on 0.9.2.1<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: Xbakes is basicly a cache<br /> [12:13] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Right. And I see hits to it, and no errors. But agents don't seem to be getting the baked textures of other agents in a timely manner, if at all.<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: using last fs release?<br /> [12:14] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yup, latest FS.<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: well dunno.. remember we had a came back of bakng issues some time ago<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: but think all viewer side<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: and mostly related to Universal wearable etc<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: What viewer are you using, Marcus?<br /> [12:15] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Firestorm 6.6.3.67470<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: well ofc HG tps still do a mess :)<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: but most time a manual rebake does fix<br /> [12:16] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Hehe, yeah, that's HG. :) But this is with local accounts.<br /> [12:17] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I dunno. I'm clearly missing something to the point where I'm questioning if my Mono version os bad, or maybe the version of libgdi or something.<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: shoul dbe on last mono stable<br /> [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, If Ubit is right about the baking issues that came back are (mostly?) all viewer side have you tried using an older viewer to see if it makes a difference?<br /> [12:17] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I haven't. I can give that a go.<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: and no.. rebake is viewer side operation.. no libgdi used<br /> [12:18] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Okay, so that's good.<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: server only servies files<br /> [12:18] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I'm on Mono 6.12 right now.<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [12:19] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Anyway, was hoping this might be somethings like, &quot;Oh yeah, I remember that we had that problem and we fixed it!&quot; or something, but seems I'm not so lucky. hehe. I'll just keep banging on it.<br /> [12:19] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Appreciate the time. :)<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: missing assets or very slow service of them.. can bbe several things<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: i don't remember if 0.9.2.1 did had a issue<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: well nothing on mantis<br /> [12:20] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Everything else on the grid is served really quick! It is truly puzzling.<br /> [12:21] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I'm sure I've done something boneheaded (or forgot to do something.)<br /> [12:21] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Anyway, thank you guys. :)<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, I would also check the consoles just in case there are any odd messages that might provide any additional hints.<br /> [12:22] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, I do that for sure. It hasn't been volunteering any good clues. :P<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: viewer logs may help also :)<br /> [12:23] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Hmm... viewer logs. Good idea!<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Or run the viewer from the console to see what messages roll by if you want to see them in real time.<br /> [12:24] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods amiably.<br /> [12:24] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Great idea. I'll try that. :)<br /> [12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, let us know how you get on. There is the mailing list and IRC if you need to follow up with any information/questions before next week.<br /> [12:24] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yes, I'm on the mailing list still, and I know where IRC is, even if I haven't been there in quite a while. :)<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: for sanity check and also try a 0.9.2.2 region<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [12:25] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Er... did I miss a point release?<br /> [12:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Good idea. No point looking for a problem that might have been fixed by a change in a more recent version of code.<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: i really don't remember if i had to make any region side code changes<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: since ..2.1 on rebakes<br /> [12:25] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:26] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Laters! :)<br /> [12:26] Andrew Hellershanks: We will be wrapping up this meeting shortly as it is almost half pas the hour.<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: miss release point? no<br /> [12:26] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods affably. :)<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: master<br /> [12:26] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Ah... lol<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: it is been stable<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, You will be busy for a while with all those avenues to pursue while tracking down what may be causing the baking issue.<br /> [12:27] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yeah, I guess if all else fails, I can try master.<br /> [12:27] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: great meeting thanks yall<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: yw, Jamie.<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: we we don't see any severe rebake issues<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: even most HG ones self heal<br /> [12:28] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I figured if there had been, it would have been news. So I broke something. Prolly.<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: Xbakes kicks in doing tps btw in grid regions<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: You could also paste part of your ini files for review if you think it might be as simple as a config issue.<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: as i said it is a grid side cache<br /> [12:30] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Maybe. I've looked at the INIs until my eyes cross. lol! But sometimes it's one little char that your eyes just refuse to see. I'll let you know. :)<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: but just saves region having to ask viewer to remake them all again<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: something pretty damm heavy<br /> [12:30] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: I'm currently thinking it might be inventory corruption.<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: well its rebake :)<br /> [12:31] Ubit Umarov: get all ladies naked for inspection<br /> [12:31] Andrew Hellershanks: It probably won't be the issue but you can also check CPU and memory usage on the system to make sure they have nothing to do with the issue.<br /> [12:32] Ubit Umarov: well broken COF sure will cause issues<br /> [12:32] Kayaker Magic: I've heard women claim that was a conspiracy of the male developers to see them all naked.<br /> [12:32] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Yeah, and while not the beefiest grid server, it doesn't seem to be a resource issue.<br /> [12:32] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:32] Ubit Umarov: ohh really kayaker ?<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: how did they foud abotu that, i wonder..<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [12:33] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Not interested in the ladies myself. ;)<br /> [12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: There are a couple of ways to interpret that but let's not go there. :)<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: but inv issues would possible be localized to this or that avatar<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: not all<br /> [12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Right<br /> [12:35] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Sooner or later I'll have a Eureka moment. I hope. :)<br /> [12:35] Ubit Umarov: or have everyone white during oscc :)<br /> [12:35] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Anyway, thank you for the meeting, and letting me talk about OSCC. :)<br /> [12:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, np. Drop by any time. Let us know about your progress in solving the problem.<br /> [12:36] Marcus.Llewellyn @grid.avacon.org:8002: Will do. Take care, guys. :)<br /> [12:36] Andrew Hellershanks: On that note, I will call this meeting to a close as we are now past the half hour mark.<br /> [12:37] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-10-18T19:39:31Z

<p>Kcozens: New meeting entry</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 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the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting 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2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting 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'''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-10-11 2022-10-11T19:05:30Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.<br /> [11:08] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent and I were just talking about how I jinxed things by showing up early only to find almost no one else is here.<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Either you are late or everyone else huh<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: More evidence we live in a simulation<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I had a fun little fight with mono/.net differences this week trying to load files<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Turns out mono loads them without any order while .net by default goes alphabetical<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Mono also reads a different part of the ttf font files I was giving it so it failed to see some variants as different fonts<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Interesting change. On the surface no difference but there could be instances where it does make a difference.<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Sorting is easily handled, but the naming thing, not sure where it pulls from still. On .net the Ubuntu font variants load fine, on Mono it sees them just as Ubuntu and assumes duplicate<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: The font issue sounds odd.<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well I say duplicate, but the font collection loads them fine, just I cannot refer to them by their actual name, would have to either use the file name, which is not ideal or add 1 2 3 to them and that's not what they report as their name when you open them manually<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So I have no way forward short of fixing the fonts<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I just removed the duplicates now, went with just one Ubuntu variant and so on<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Collected over 200 fonts, that should be enough<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: It still picks up on the basic variants of bold, italics, etc?<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have not tested that part actually, in the vector render module the code for that is a bit odd so I don't know if loading custom fonts works with that at all<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The system installed fonts have their styles baked in, some of the custom fonts I don't think have styles at all<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: I do have some fonts where there is a separate file for different styles.<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It recreates the font when you change style, size and type, so it might also need to be done after you load the font otherwise it overrides<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: On .net it allows fallback to Arial, Mono doesn't do that so some fonts with just capital letters don't render lowercase<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Drawing is rather system dependent<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gives trouble with dotnet6 also, so that will be fun<br /> [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie.<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: I was starting to think that people had been partying hard yesterday as it was a holiday Monday yesterday in Canada and the US and that is why so few are here. :)<br /> [11:18] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Normally you get drunk for the meeting not the day prior xD<br /> [11:20] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i know i'm late but not that late<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, :) I was thinking about too much partying people were still feeling the effects today. ;)<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit isn't currently in IRC so I don't know if he will be attending todays meeting.<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I hope he is ok.<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably collecting his sanity over dotnet6 changes<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Could be.<br /> [11:22] Kayaker Magic: Have I missed much?<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, nothing much.<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Only one code change to the main branch of OS and mention of a couple of issues recently found in dotnet6.<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: No sign of Ubit in IRC, and I need to leave soon after the top of the hour today.<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, did you have any questions for today?<br /> [11:26] Kayaker Magic: Nope!<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did some cleaning on Mantis again last two weeks, there should be some bumps on older issues if any of you want to help test them and provide feedback. Especially the older confirmed and acknowledged issues are of interest, if they are still problematic in current master code.<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you for doing that, Vincent.<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Any questions or comments from Jamie, or Selby?<br /> [11:32] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: none<br /> [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, np. :)<br /> [11:33] Kayaker Magic: Perhaps we'll even get to leave early!<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Very likely.<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: I was just going to have a look at the dotnet6 branch of Ubits to see what has been happening there this past week.<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: From what he has told me dotnet6 is shaping up to make things a bit faster and the upgraded code standard means some functions will be slightly faster too. Might even stray into realms of actual measurable performance improvements, but time will tell<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: While I think it is good to keep things up to date, it remains to be seen if the broken parts can be replaced, because I bet not many want to upgrade if they lose a vital part of something they use each day<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: A few commits where made this past week related to changes in recent versions of C#.<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: != to is not, which is funny, but apparently faster and easier to read<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: libOMV was updated to version 6.0.<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Imagine that branch is still high potential for fireworks heh<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: Some of change code changes make use of newer ways (ie. new libraries) in C#. There was a minor change to the logging of information to the console on startup.<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: The README file was updated with information about building/using the dotnet6 branch.<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: Vincent, yes, it would certainly not be considered anywhere near production ready.<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks wonders why the viewer is showing I'm whispering<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The one thing I hope it will do is offer more system independence<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Mono/.Net can be a minefield of differences<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But it's MS in the end, love for linux not exactly on their agenda despite what they say<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I ran in to a similar thing with HP. They were part of a group supporting Linux but they still did a very poor job in providing any drivers for their products to ensure they would work properly from Linux.<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Short of making a change to break an open source driver, then release their own worse version of it, not the first time<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't think there is much more we can talk about today without Ubit here. If there is no objections I can close todays meeting early. I'll stay until the top of the hour in case any last moment visitors arrive.<br /> [11:52] Kayaker Magic: Only 8 more minutes!<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: True.<br /> [11:52] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Ok -- bye all<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Just another reminder that the OpenSimulator Community Conference is coming up soon. IIRC, they are currently accepting proposals for panels for this years event.<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, bye Selby. Thanks for being here.<br /> [11:54] Kayaker Magic: OK, I'm off as well, ned to make some videos....<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Kayaker. Have fun.<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Only five minutes and two other people remaining. I'll close this meeting today.<br /> [11:55] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a great day yall<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. Thanks for dropping by.<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: To make it official, thank you for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-10-11T19:04:59Z

<p>Kcozens: New entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-10-04 2022-10-05T14:05:05Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [10:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [10:59] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [10:59] Jagga Meredith: waves<br /> [11:00] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: hey everybody<br /> [11:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In this weeks news, Ubit working on dotnet6 support and I'm trying to figure out why physics are broken<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, hold off for now. I was going to wait to see if Selby or some other people are on their way.<br /> [11:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I ain't got much, still trying to figure out what exactly broke in the first place since there are like 20 physics related commits to audit<br /> [11:02] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, sounds like some rounds with git bisect are in your future.<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: well physics is not broken elsewhere<br /> [11:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah it's weird thing that, it happens on certain regions and not others<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, which physics engine is broken at your end?<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: so possible sem use case that needs some more debug Vincent is telling is doing<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: some..<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: well you may some something diferent in this region air<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: also on the text over the bottle to my right<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: thing is that this region is running on dotnet 6.0, not mono<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: rest in peace XEngine<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: i did changes so it can compile and then run under dotnet 6.0<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: did commit them to the branch dotnet6<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: so others can test<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: as i otld here before, ms made this a big breaking change<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: dotnet6 lile core, etc is not a direct upgrade to .net framework 4.8<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: so we already lost some features, like XEngine and a few stats<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Which stats were lost?<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: thngs that did depend on code no longer present on the framework or jsut windows only<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: some that did depend on performance counters<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: only a few<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: The FPS and Script LPS stats still exist?<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: yes<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: where a few &quot;exotic ones&quot;<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: note that i said i made code compile and run in dotnet6.0 in fact, dotnet 60 plus a few support libraries<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, good. *FPS and Script LPS are the main ones of concern. Some of the other ones aren't of much interest for mostpeople.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: like System.Drawing.Commun<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: that where removed on dotnet7.0<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: but at least we have a foot on dotnet<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: and dotnet 6.0 has like 3 or 5 years of support still<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: while mono is just dead<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Sounds good. Minor annoyance if you have to make more changes to handle .net 6 to .net 7<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: that will be a even bigger change<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'm sad to see mono die like this frankly, it had some good things going for it<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: to replace al Bitmap code<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: ah hon linux, libgdiplus is needed<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: the simple way to get it is install mono 6 still :)<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: guess it has install packages on several distros, or can be localy compiled, somehow<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: something to see in near futute<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: not laso that ofc our code is mostly .net 1.0 that jsut happens still run on dotnet 6 :)<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: a lot of that code has now diferent ways of doing the same, in many cases faster<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: but that is optimization stage..<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: First need to get the most vital parts back in working order heh<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: well System.drawi replacement will be a pain<br /> [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: also on libopenmetaverse ofc<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: all the openjpeg support needed even to lludp textures send, map etc<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: and realy draw like on dynamic textures<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: that may just mean a major rewrite using another library<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: meanwhile.. who knoes maybe ms decides to suport it<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Wouldn't hurt maybe we can then finally get drawing on existing textures<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: the are also making a new UI thing to replace windows forms etc<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: called MAIU<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: is fi remembet<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Lots of potential for the introduction of bugs during the transition. It will require a lot of testing.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: that will need Some kind of drawing tools<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: so.. we may just win by waiting<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: the news is that we did gain that time and can replace mono<br /> [11:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You said the other day http and logging was broken as well<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: or gained some more time<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: yeha but to a lesser extent<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: we are using things they want us to replace by new ones<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: but the ones we have are still on .net7 i think<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: so a lesser issue<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: looging, ofc hey added own logging now<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: they<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Does the new stuff have all the features needed, it's MS half expect deprecating old stuff and not providing one to one replacements is kinda their thing<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: well they kinda hard killed System.Drawing on 7<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: even did it on 6<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: but still a flag to allow it<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: ofc i mean killed for linux..<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: it is there windows only<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But MS loves linux (sarcasm)<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: well they have a valid reason<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: Drawing is mostly a wrapper to windows libgdi++<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: mono used/made? the libdidplus to emulate that windows one<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: and that seems to be a very confusing code that depends or other linux libraries like pango and cairo, etc<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: so a big rats nest for ms devs to dig into and assume full responsability<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: see?<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: that is they main &quot;excuse&quot; and makes sense<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: their..<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Oh noes, actual work... yeah they get paid to dig through that -.-<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: just a big issue for us :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: ofc in the middle of all the other breaking changes.. just another one<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: ofc if we could jsut decided to remove XEngine because AppDomains are gone, we can't do the same for openjpeg2k suport etc :)<br /> [11:30] Kayaker Magic: I'm fine with removing XEngine!<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: and we could do that because YEngine seems fine<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: kay this region is running in dotnet6<br /> [11:31] Kayaker Magic: Cool!<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: like that fisrt line of test to yr left tells<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: of text!!<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: There will be people who will complain about the disappearance of XEngine.<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: ... X64/Unit/Dotnet<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: i added x64 also<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: bc dotnet6 can see some cpus<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: well tell<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well that is mostly all recent code work<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: don't remember if did any fix on master<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: so to recap, branch dotnet6 id for dotnet6.0<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: will smoke badly on mono :p<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Don't think it even compiles on that anymore<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim/src/dotnet6/BUILDING.md<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: i changed prebuild so it creates project files for dotnet<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: as i said big deep breaking change<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: very bad news..<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: all modules out there will not work etc<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Ouch.<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: they also need to migrate<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: in same cases not that hard<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: as you can see on git, nly a few changes where needed<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: dotnet 6.0 does rum (most) .net 1.0 code :)<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: even runs<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: plug modules osgrid uses for example do compile with just warnings<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: search and mutes that osgrid uses<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: andrew here :)<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Good to know.<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: think i don't have them here, but lbsa is using them<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Needed to redo some of my modules anyways<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Is there any guide about migrating to .net 6/7? ]<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: lbsa is running this for hmm let me see<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: Server has been running since Sunday, 2022-10-02 15:59:40<br /> That is an elapsed time of 1.19:40:45.2235274<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: still alive :)<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: i can see that dotnet 6 GC is slower to react<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: does let memory usage go higher<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: but does seem to release memory a lot better<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: in mid to lopng term<br /> [11:41] Kayaker Magic: I missed the start of this meeting, did you talk about image support on dotnet? Isn't bitmap not supported on Linux?<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: mid to long<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: still supported on dotnet 6 + extra libraries<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: and we need to install libgdiplau<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: and we need to install libgdiplus<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: the simpler way is just to still install mono :P<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: it is a lot of libs for me to try to add to our distro<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: but a possibility<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: no idea abotu macs<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: lets see if gavin and others can try and give some feedback<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: i did found some breaking changes like o strings compare, indexof etc<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: made a few fixes even for lsl<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: posible more will be needed<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: well that is a breaking change ms does assume<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I will need to lookat how I would update my machine to .net 6. I may have to leave that until I update my installed distro to something more recent. The distro people broke the upgrade system so it pretty much forces a fresh install to upgrade.<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: very silly<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm thinking of switching to a Debian based distro.<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: like ..indexof(&quot;\0&quot;) does return 0, even where there is no char 0<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: used to return the correct -1<br /> [11:48] Kayaker Magic: I updated one of my Ubuntu 18.04 systems to dotnet, need to recall how to do that again...<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: nad more cases on special utf8 chars<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: its on url i pasted<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/opensim/src/dotnet6/BUILDING.md<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: That will introduce &quot;bugs&quot; in to lot of programs.<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: that is file BUILDIND.md on branch dotnet6<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: so jsut a few apt comands<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: to set the source of the debs<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: then get the sdk and runtimes<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, I have built mono in the past. I was hoping it would be a simple download of .net 6/7 packages but I can see what happens if I try and build it on my machine.<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: hrere we do have the sdk 6.0.401 i think<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll need to do that at some point to eliminate the warnings in some addon modules<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: and NET Runtime 6.0.9<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: opensim.log now does tell that<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: 2022-10-03 22:38:52,448 INFO [STARTUP]: version: OpenSim 0.9.2.2 Yeti Dev <br /> <br /> 2022-10-03 22:38:52,449 INFO [STARTUP]: Operating system version: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.22621.0, .NET platform Win32NT, Runtime 6.0.9<br /> 2022-10-03 22:38:52,452 INFO [STARTUP]: Processor Architecture: X64(le 64bit)<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: on my win :p<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I gave up a few days ago trying to get jenkins to play ball with dotnet6 it just didn't want to, have to revisit that at some point get some builds automated for testing<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's almost as if MS is trying to make it difficult to get it to work on linux<br /> [11:53] Kayaker Magic: NO!<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: 022-10-03 14:45:15,098 INFO [STARTUP]: version: OpenSim 0.9.2.2 Yeti Dev bf257a9<br /> 2022-10-03 14:45:15,099 INFO [STARTUP]: Operating system version: Unix 4.19.0.21, .NET platform Unix, Runtime 6.0<br /> .9<br /> 2022-10-03 14:45:15,099 INFO [STARTUP]: Processor Architecture: X64(le 64bit)<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: here<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: ahh all tests are dead :p<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: nuit ones<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: the script tests will be a pain<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: all depend on XEngine<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: well and all will be a pain because are for obsolete nunit2.0<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'm sure Andrew can help us with that<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: as you can see this region is using 493MB<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: hint hint shove shove<br /> [11:57] Kayaker Magic: lol<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: like 100 more than did on mono during meetings ?<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Nice seeing real memory usage stats.<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: but gc seems a lot better than mono.. like the windows one<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: also does not leak threads as mono was doing<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: just lets memory use go higher before acting<br /> [11:58] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Must go -- bye all<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: this also means a bit less cpu use<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the top of the hour. Are there any other questions before we wrap up todays meeting?<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Selby. Thanks for dropping by.<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: like now<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: it did not considered that selaby did left and released memory :)<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: selby<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: It dropped now<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: but well memory usage still grows in time.. it is GC still<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I took a look at groups finally, well I changed all the tables over to a different charset and all<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: How does memory usage behave when using Warp3D?<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: just peaks a bit more<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So far nothing has blown up, but it doesn't seem faster either<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If I can find the time I'll dig some more<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: like 100MB or less here<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: It used to be known for memory leaks. I was hoping that it is no worse under .net6 than before.<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: MEMORY STATISTICS<br /> Heap allocated to OpenSim : 102 MB<br /> Heap allocation rate (last/avg): 0.247/-0.125MB/s<br /> Process memory: Physical 495 MB Paged 0 MB Virtual 69281 MB<br /> Peak process memory: Physical 830 MB Paged 0 MB Virtual 78561 MB<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: nah hi fixed warp leaks ages ago<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: i know no real memory leak on our code<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: GC just loses memory<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I do seem to remember that they were fixed at last. Not a major issue if the memory usage peaks a little higher when using Warp3D with .net6 if it settles back down after the tiles have been generated.<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: yes it is just because GC is slower to act<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: so save cpu<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: so to save..<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is some leakage somewhere in scripts still, but that might be down to bad LSL code too. Have not been able to find the cause of that, just deleted a ton of scripts and then it stopped, not really keen on looking through about 1000 of them<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Usually it's list operations and state changes that cause memory to grow<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Copy operations mainly<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: script memory usage report does nto count<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: will nver be exact<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Over the course of a day it gained like 10% cpu and 200mb so some script was royally out of whack<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: ok<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not really something we can fix anyhow, just bad LSL code in the end<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 99% of regions run fine<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: well dilemas now is where do keep devel<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: some code is now diferent<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: because diferent c# version 6 to 10 ?<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: or 11<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: and diferent framework<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: so the way of programming is diferent in some cases<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Maybe get dotnet6 branch working with all the core functionality, then backport what's possible to master, do a final release for 4.8 and then continue with dotnet6<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Sounds like a plan.<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: ofc next release will be master<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: mono etc<br /> [12:09] Kayaker Magic: RL is calling me! Good meeting, glad to see dotnet progress!<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That way it has a nice closure and we can do breaking changes without everyone losing their minds heh<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: not sure how many ppl outthere have machines that do not suport dotnet<br /> [12:09] Kayaker Magic: buy all!<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: fill my paypar<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: paypal<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Kayaker. See you next time.<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We can't support everyone, especially not on platforms so ancient they are out of security updates<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: then i may buy something :p<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: duhh no 32bit on dotnet :(<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: I need somethings from Amazon but I'm not going to get all.<br /> [12:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Anyone running 32bit these days should have their computers taken away<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: duhhh<br /> [12:11] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: have a great week yall<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: opensim runs great and uses less mem on win<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Bye Jamie.<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: on win64 in 32bit<br /> [12:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: What's next, support for powerpc and ibm mainframes lol<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: as i said many times<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: z80 will be a bi thard<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: I'd go for a 6809. ;)<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: yeah that was better<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: just arrived 2 late and 2 expensive to get a big market share<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Similar thing happened with the 68000.<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: All righty. Time to wrap up todays meeting.<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-10-05T14:03:29Z

<p>Kcozens: New entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-09-27 2022-09-27T18:53:35Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: welcome<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... small group tonday.<br /> [11:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: today also<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: hi selby.Evans<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: wel to start, during last week i made a small code change on llCreateLink permitions<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: added a few more needed restrictions, that for somereason where not there till now<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: like the script cannot be on a attachment<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: and both objects need to have MOD rights<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Good catch<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: yeah.. been without those till now<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: guess not much use<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: and what news do you have?<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker has arrived. :)<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: I've been lost in RL<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: yeha bad RL<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Glad you found your way out of RL.<br /> [11:11] Kayaker Magic: hehe<br /> [11:11] Kayaker Magic: Anything happened while I was gone?<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: There were a couple of meetings that got in to some long discussions on a topic.<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: ohh time flies<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: oscc is already calling for proposals<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: for oscc 2022<br /> [11:14] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I saw that!<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: &quot; Please post your #OSCC22 proposal by October 17, 2022. https://conference.opensimulator.org/speakers/call-for-proposals/ &quot;<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: The year is getting closer to the end. I hadn't thought about OSCC.<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: I just looked up the dates for this years conference. The website says December 10 and 11.<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:21] Kayaker Magic: With a party on the 9th<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: and what news do you bring kayaker?<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: I was thinking of asking what questions he brings. :)<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: party before?<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, I think they often have one.<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: danggg missed all<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well we should release 0.9.2.2<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: just because :p<br /> [11:24] Kayaker Magic: I've been camping in the wilderness, helping my GF with honey-do tasks, just got back Sunday, have not picked up the threads of my opensim projects yet. So no questions yet.<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, np Kayaker.<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: wel 0.9.2.1 was release in march<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: not that long ago<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: not sure if 0.9.2.2 will be the last for .net framework<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: sure will next wil be at least .net framework 4.7.2 or 4.8<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: change to dotnet is a a breaking change<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: hard to keep code that runs on both<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: even not using dotnet6.0 and c# &gt;= 8.0 features<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: and we will lose features, like XEngine as i said..<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: Same stats based on performance counters, also gone, except for windows<br /> [11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: It will be a good time to retire X.<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: well move to dotnet 7 will be even worse<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: since a few things 6.0 still tolerates, will be gone<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Not sure how much more we have to talk about today.<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: i made also a minor change on console code duhh to a mantis issue<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: but seems that issue was local to the reporter<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: but a few extra checks for null on low use code are always good<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, they are<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: If there are no other questions or comments for today I will wrap up this meeting early. No point just sitting here for another 15 minutes twiddling thumbs. :)<br /> [11:48] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-09-27T18:52:47Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-09-20 2022-09-20T19:03:55Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi<br /> [11:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: This beer tastes funny, but it was free<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: beer? jezzz yr so dead<br /> [11:00] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: that is so so old..<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: All beer tastes funny<br /> [11:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: True, but all the Rum is actually gone<br /> [11:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Let's see this week we had a few minor commits I think Ubit can best describe what they were I haven't really looked<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: oh? there where commits?<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: one or two. :)<br /> [11:02] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: ahh yes<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: change some code using things that will be gone from .net<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: some in fact obsolete for ages<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: other that i seen that will no work he same way<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: so i changed before i forget :)<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: good idea<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: one that would totally stop working is our local console code<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: in fact looking to the ms changes, one can question how it did work<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: thing is that despite ms claims so far, console code is actually not that thread safe<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: namely using console.readkey<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: i meant using that at same time onther thread reads or changes cursor positions for exampel<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: in later frameworks ms added locks, so readky will block<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: i added a workaround that seems working<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Their changes make me wonder what they think the usecase of .net is as I would say what OpenSim does isn't particularly &quot;out there&quot;. MS making changes to please &quot;someone&quot; or themselves perhaps not making logical changes, only changes that work for their usecase everyone else be damned huh.<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: sadly adds some lag to console typing, and makes a thread awake up every 100ms when in past it was possible just sleeping waiting for a signal<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: well on this, thing is that console is a bit complex thing<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: in fact, at least on linux, the framework does connect to a terminal<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: kinda like old rs232 connections to a vt100 terminal<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: to read a cursor position means sending a control sequence of chars and getting a answer back<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: on the same virtual serial link...<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: ms found they could not &quot;interleave&quot; that on waiting readkey<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: so they added locks to serielize that..<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: totally breaking code like ours<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: if that is a realy issue ms did found, or just a big ms mistake,, can't tell<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Sounds like a sledgehammer through door kinda fix on their end<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: fact is that they changed the code, and refuse any fixes<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: did told they would change consose on .net7.0.. but seen nothing<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: At this point you can basically expect such &quot;fixes&quot; from MS, seems their modus operandi in terms of .net and most other things<br /> [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: NIH syndrome?<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: well with this, i do have opensim running compiled to .net6.0 and under its runtime<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: both on windows and linux<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well most of it, not everything<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: sadly still some hand made dlls changes<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: since all we had for mono, will just not work<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Then again I think XEngine has served us well over the years, but YEngine just works so much better<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: and ofc course we lost things like Xengine<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: also i have like 570 warnings abotu obsolete code<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did some scripting past week and it's so nice to just refer to spec and things work as intended not having to massage every piece into place like XEngine had a tendency to<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: that will not work on .net7.0<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: 570 warnings? Eek. That will take a while to sort out.<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: like the bitmaps, fundamental to us<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: not reay<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: its like 3 or 4 things<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: like All Image code...<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Andrew just disable all the pragma stuff and you get a ton of warnings using .net4.8 already. Only some of them are really hinting at issues<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and of httprequest they consider dead<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and a few simllar things<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: but those will work on .net6.0 adding some extra dlls<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: will not on net7 as i said<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: i have zero warnings now after adding orders to ignore some warnings :)<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: &lt;SuppressWarnings&gt;CA1416,SYSLIB0011,SYSLIB0014&lt;/SuppressWarnings&gt;<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: &quot;Jesus take the wheel&quot; type coding xD<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: is there any other form of coding with ms ?<br /> [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Always have to be careful when you ignore warnings. You need to be sure which ones are safe to ignore.<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well on opensource<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: remember that mono was a big disaster also<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some of the warnings it spews even on 4.8 are stupid, like it complains about events, but how else are you supposed to handle that stuff, even MS doesn't offer a replacement when you look for the warning id<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: mono 4 was a huge fail for us<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: well those warnings are on another class of warnings<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: the ones im talking abotu are really thigns will will need to fix someday<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: fact this things do work on net6 means thats a few more years<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: hopefuly<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well take everything MS says with a grain of salt these days<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: &quot;Windows 10 is the last windows&quot;...<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: well meanwhile, some are using a new fs beta<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: that only has the new SL stupid profiles code<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: so profiles are all broken<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent; yeah, we know how that turned out.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: does not have the fixes Beq made to recover llUDP; like i said last wee<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: possible similar issues with other beta viewers out there<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That profile thing I really don't get, it makes sense to only send partial updates sure, but then sending them over http... instead of oh idk caching and waiting till they are done making edits every two seconds and sending a full update then over unblocked udp<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: no it makes no sense<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One step forward two steps back<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: their changes are just... well whatever<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Right idea, horrible execution, as usual<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: and for us, a lot harder to implement, as i said<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: not even right idea<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: ahh hey removed Interest also<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: that tab is gone<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: &quot;interests&quot;<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well I am not sure how many did use that in earnest to be fair, but it is nice to have and doesn't hurt anything<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: at least on that Beta fs<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Far as I remember it's just some bit field thing in the db anyways, so not like it takes up that much space<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: I know I set that flags in my profile but I rarely if ever looked at those entries in the profile of someone else.<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: well LL had delete all this profiles<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: using only web ones<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: now decided to put them back, using firestorm code.. but changing he protocol<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: mas made a stupid protocol<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: sorry the &quot;stupid&quot; but that is a exact description :p<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Trying to do everything, succeeding at nothing, that's what it feels like lately<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well it is ll, not our thing, except that we get the effects<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: lets hope Beq can add her fixes to it<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is not quality control internally I feel, nothing that says &quot;hey let's think for a minute&quot;<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: nah hthe have control<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: they break things on a very controled way!!<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: lol<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: That's another reason we need OS specific viewers that don't depend on LL for their main code base.<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: possible this where the server side guys...<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: whatever...<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: i will not add the caps<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: viewers for opensim MUST use current api<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: well at least in near times<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: i mean will not add in near time<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always treating their changes as long term tests, often enough they reverted or changed to something more logical later on<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: as i told would need to add a very twisted caches collectorm to make a entire new API from the viewer cap to all the databases<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: because our protocol only suports changes on a block of data they now did split<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: protocols even<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: ofc and there are profiles modules<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: that wil be dead also<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: The change affects the third party profile modules?<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: :P<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ultimately it's what, same behavior just 30% more traffic used for some minor profile update<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: less behavior<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: no interests<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: really LL think http is a instantaneos crap<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: current coders could even add a cap to send a char by char on local chat<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well whatever..<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: sad we get the effects of their things like this..<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: as i said Beq already spent time putting our API back...<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: lets hope it gets on fs for opensim viewers soon<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: and others keep it also<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: We can but hope. :)<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: It is now quarter to the hour. Cuga has an announcement.<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Go ahead, Cuga.<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... have we lost Cuga?<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Let me get my poking stick<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: While we wait for Cuga, did anyone else have a question/comment for today?<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: I can mention one minor news items. This past weekend Kitely grid celebrated their 14th anniversary.<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: already 14? time flies<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: I know. I didn't realize they had been running that long. One of the last events was a live music performance done via a media stream. The video had the audio and video of the person performing their music live.<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: sorry<br /> [11:50] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: some was at door<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: back<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Cuga. You may go ahead with your announcement.<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I was just going to mention that I re-wrote the HG authentication module that I was asking about 3 weeks ago<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I put it on a github repo<br /> [11:51] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: https://github.com/cuga-rajal/hgauth<br /> [11:52] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: it's for inbound HG TPs, like the form they use at OSCC party<br /> [11:53] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: forces a form to be signed before allowing inbound HG<br /> [11:53] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: hopefully useful to others<br /> [11:54] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats all I had<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm sure otherse will find it useful. You can let us know how much of a response you get to the project.<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: ty, Cuga.<br /> [11:55] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I got one star already LOL<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: That's a start.<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: Five minues left. Any other comments/questions/announcements for today?<br /> [11:57] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: great meeting yall<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Anyone seen Kayaker recently? It seems a little unusual for him to be absent several weeks in a row.<br /> [11:57] Jagga Meredith: *snores quiet;y*<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. tc. Thanks for coming.<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: It there is nothing more I will wrap up todays gathering.<br /> [11:58] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: think he's traveling<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. That would explain it.<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: That will do it for this week. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-09-20T19:03:08Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-09-13 2022-09-13T19:11:07Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: welcome to another weekly meeting :)<br /> [11:09 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: During last week there where code changes commited<br /> [11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i did spent sometime playing with dotnet 6.0 migration issues<br /> [11:10 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in fact got my first win11 BSOD in the process<br /> [11:11 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Bah. Was deep in to some coding of a threaded interpreter language. Wasn't looking at the clock.:P<br /> [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but with several hacks i did manage to compile and run a region in windows compiled and mostly using .net6.0 runtime<br /> [11:12 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:12 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in the process i had to remove Xengine, that does depend on features no longer present in dotnet<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also some of out threading contol lost the ability to stop threads, something dotnet did remove, because they decided it is bad<br /> [11:14 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so there is no way to stop a thread stucked anywhere and try to recover from it<br /> [11:15 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in a automatic way..<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well can understand why they removed, seems they actually never did it right, if that is even possible..<br /> [11:16 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hopefully we may live without it.. but it is another lose..<br /> [11:17 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: i did compile out main code in .net6.0, warp3d and libomv<br /> [11:18 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: adding 2 extra dlls.. one to extend the support for image/bitmap to .net6, other to have a component needed for log4net, that they also removed, but still possible to add back<br /> [11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so as i said i did run a basic standalone on sqlite, even did load a oar and tested a car under yengine and ubode<br /> [11:19 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the tested on WSL, the windows linux &quot;emulator&quot;<br /> [11:20 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: first time i fired opensim i got my first win11 BSOD<br /> [11:21 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: thing mostly a WSL issue... i was out of ram, and WSL did blowup instead of normal use of swap space etc..<br /> [11:21 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: think..<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: othen ofc opensim just failed to load sqlite low level dlls<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: showing that we need to rewairte he entire way how dlls are loads<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: dotnet, fails to do what mono does fien<br /> [11:22 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: fine<br /> [11:23 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so im stil far to check if the image code does still work in linux on dotnet6.0<br /> [11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they did remove it, but they added a flag to allow it again. if one adds the extra dlls<br /> [11:24 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that are ofc diferent from the windows ones...<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: making cross platform even more fun<br /> [11:25 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:26 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so.. lots of work to get less features and getting into a lot more unreliable software base<br /> [11:27 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ofc this is also only try to compile and run the software<br /> [11:27 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hard to tell and fix all the hidden breaking changes they made all over the code base<br /> [11:28 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: soll well that was some code work during last week... a very frustrating experience<br /> [11:29 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: meanwire there was a new FS release<br /> [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: seems working, just profiles images fail to load in full resolution a lot<br /> [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: told Beq abotu it, she may look<br /> [11:30 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: meanwhile the had some work on profiles for the next release<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I downloaded the latest FS for SL and OS this past week. I haven't used either of them much. What I'm noticing right now is that my CPU load seems lower than before.<br /> [11:31 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: FS did merge new LL code for profiles that did kill all profiles for opensim<br /> [11:32 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: replacing all the lludp based protocol by new ( BAD) http caps based<br /> [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: Beq was busy putting back support for opensim, and last time we talked, 2 days ago? she had it mostly done<br /> [11:33 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: meanwhile i did look to the new profiles protocol,, and it is just really BAD<br /> [11:34 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: not easy to jsut add it, without changes from region code up to grid databases apis<br /> [11:35 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: since Beq did recover the lludp, guess i will not try to add that new nonsense ll protocol<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: see.. change from lludp is change, means use of TCP that is a lot slower and heavy<br /> [11:36 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: means changign from a very compact information serielization, to LLSD based one, and XML based oen<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that means that 90% of the data payload is XML support only..<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: but in this case they made it worse<br /> [11:37 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: in profiles, a packet did include several changes<br /> [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: like abotu text, UUIDs if pictures etc etc<br /> [11:38 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so most of the edit on he profile was local on viewer, and only commited to region at end<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and sent all in a nice packet<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: now the new procole makes a CAP call per item changed...<br /> [11:39 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: as we do the changess<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: ir as soon we change about test, it sends it to server..<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: the uuid of a pocture..<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: etc<br /> [11:40 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: picture<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: that is a extra overhead on comms<br /> [11:41 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: and ofc all out code from region to grids only handles that packet with all information<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: so we would need to add APIs to all the tine changes all over the code base<br /> [11:42 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: (ine == tiny)<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: this does not include things like pics, classified etc<br /> [11:43 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: they forgot abotu those and they are still lludp<br /> [11:44 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well.. so it is possible to support this changes, btu a lot of work for absulutly no gain<br /> [11:45 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: since Bq did restored old API; other viewers can do it also, so i will not try to add those changes, for now at least<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: some more as expected as LL find more things usin lludp and moves to http waste<br /> [11:46 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: well this are last week code news<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: what abotu you.. what news do you have?<br /> [11:47 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you for that summary of the past week, Ubit. Was a busy week.<br /> [11:48 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing new on my end as I was still working on code needed for an industry trade show that started yesterday.<br /> [11:50 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We have a few less people here today compared to our usual complement. Does any one have any questions or comments for today?<br /> [11:52 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Are we going to finish early for a change?<br /> [11:53 AM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: looks like<br /> [11:54 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: I should have some time to do some more testing on FS this coming week. I want to check where the latest FS really has lowered the CPU load.<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: My frame rate also seems a little higher than it was last week.<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yes las fs release does include some performance changes ll did<br /> [11:55 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: on the rendering etc<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I read that in the release notes. It does appear to have made a noticeable difference on my machine.<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sad teh profiles images<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: nine too<br /> [11:56 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: sad..<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: hopefully Beq or other will find why and fix,<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: My profile image came in right away and looks ok.<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: yeah it is more on load conditions<br /> [11:57 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: also at SL<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: maybe changes on fetch priorities and timeouts<br /> [11:58 AM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We can provide further reports about the latest FS next week.<br /> [11:59 AM PT] Ubit Umarov: only looked to one or 2 of the new features and they seem to work here also<br /> [12:00 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the top of the hour. Time to call this meeting to a close. My cat will be happy. She is meowing at me. :)<br /> [12:00 PM PT] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-09-13T19:10:41Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat 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2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-09-06 2022-09-06T19:19:37Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: Andrew's cat arrived<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:24] Jagga Meredith: You're late. Current topic SQL optimization<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: hi Andrew, welcome to this week opensim meeting<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: I was working on some software that needs to be ready for a trade show in about a weeks time. The data format got changed on me at the last minute and now I'm still trying to get the code to realiably read the data. :P<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'll add the earlier conversation to the log no biggie<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: &quot;realiably&quot; is optimisitic :)<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In other news no more TryParse crashes, some issues with avsitter I cannot reproduce, so something might be awry still, but just as lost to the cause as before. At least doesn't crash, which is positive<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: You finished the discussion about SQL optimization?<br /> [11:33] Jagga Meredith: I'm done<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most of that is down to doing research on the current queries and how code then combines the data etc. Figuring out the &quot;is&quot; to plan the &quot;should&quot;<br /> [11:35] Andrew Hellershanks: There are online query analyzer tools that help you optimize queries.<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: From the few glances I had at the db connector there are not many complex ones in there so I think most of problems is code that fetches tons of smaller pieces of data and then combines them rather than letting SQL do the heavy lifting<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So it's down to figuring out what data it needs, how it currently fetches it and if that can be combined to a single query then to be broken up into the format it needs going forward<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: That seems likely.<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's &quot;get this than these things for each&quot; vs. &quot;get that inner joined with this&quot; or some form of that<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The code itself also hasn't been touched in a while and probably has some slower methods in there or could benefit from better integration with other code and modules<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I only started looking a bit at that over the weekend, no deep diving yet, submarine is still out for delivery heh<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hasn't been much happening otherwise for me at least<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: That level of deep diving is going to take time before it yields any useful information. Thank you for taking the time to do the diving.<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah it will. Groups is one of those things that seems slow despite having no real reason for it, given the amount of data other parts juggle just fine, so something is awry in there either conceptually or just old code. It &quot;shouldn't&quot; be this slow even considering the data structure<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Groups is one area of the code that could be doing multiple queries to get to the wanted data due to the database structure.<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's programmers intuition perhaps telling me something is not quite right in there somewhere, finding it is another matter and I certainly don't want to rewrite the whole thing if I can help it<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: I've always thought the groups data structures seemed a little odd.<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: adn we do have 2 groups services in use<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They are not that outlandish given the data it needs, but I think it does nothing to handle it gracefully and just brute forces what it needs<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: some grids use the older flotsam one<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: like osgrid<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: Right<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I thought they moved away from that?<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Or was that just flotsam profiles?<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: core profiles are ok<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: they moved to them<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: None core profiles module doesn't use flotsam.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I just looked at the phpxmlrpc based groups code and it does have some queries that use JOIN.<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's remarkable how much faster those can be compared to individual queries and joining data in code. I noticed that with ossearch getting the additional data from classifieds and such to show profile data was ten times faster in SQL compared to two queries and php doing the work<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Sure it puts more load on the database, but there are query caches and indexes that help with that a little bit<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Also a bit easier to throw hardware at SQL than OpenSim given the way things operate<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Oh right, for anyone that has taken a copy of the Hypergrid Wall I made a while back, I been working on a new version that greatly reduces the script load from 600 down to a single script. So a new copy should be available on the ZetaWorlds welcome region soon(ish).<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the top of the hour. Is there anyone who has a question they wanted to ask before they need to leave?<br /> [12:00] Jagga Meredith: I'm done RL calls<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jagga. Thanks for dropping by.<br /> [12:01] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: thanks yall good meetinh<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: yw, Jamie.<br /> [12:02] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: meeting :-)<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: ok, rl also calls me. I was a bit quiet bc a bit indisposed rl<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, np. Hope you feel better soon.<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: see u next week<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: thnx<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Ubit.<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: seems osgridn groups is having issues<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: strange how that still did impact local chat and other region http<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: strange, need to take a look<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh? Do they say what sort of issues? They have been having a number of problems.<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is a mantis about it basically stopping a region dead if it takes long to fetch group data<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: failed commes on console<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Forgot the id<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... that seems a bit strange.<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: mb just a net glitch<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: also to presence<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: possible just tempory glitch<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: the strange part is how that did block local chat<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: That's possible.<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: shoud be o dif threads<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: but well all using the .net http code.. that may do t<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: groups refresh isn't async it's a block<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: they had limitation lik eonly allow 2 connections etc<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: If the code related to those functions has not changed the next question is to ask what has changed if it isn't some temporary network issue. Did they recently update .NET, for example?<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: wel dunno.. filed on TODO :)<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: we are on mono<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: cya ppl<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. But what version is osgrid using and did they do a recent update? Perhaps there is another bad version of mono.<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: With it being the top of the hour and with Ubit just left I'll close the meeting for today.<br /> [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-09-06T19:19:08Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. Lets try to keep it moving even at the expense of getting all questions answered as we have a limited time.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting is scheduled for 11:00 grid time (19.00 UTC if grid time is PST or 18:00 UTC if it is PDT) at Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach in OSGrid (osgrid.org). http://hg.osgrid.org:80:Dev&amp;nbsp;Outreach'''<br /> <br /> '''NOTE:'''<br /> If there are problems with the Dev Outreach region the meeting will be held in Hurliman Plaza.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> &lt;!-- <br /> Don't forget to add the new chat log to [[Category:Office Hour Logs]] !<br /> Also, wrap the log in &lt;pre&gt;&lt;/pre&gt; tags, so that you don't have to add so many &lt;br /&gt; tags.<br /> --&gt;<br /> <br /> === 2022 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-02-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2022-01-04]]<br /> <br /> === 2021 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-12-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-30]]<br /> * No meeting was held on November 23 as osgrid was down for maintenance.<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-11-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-10-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-30 2022-08-31T01:37:50Z

<p>Kcozens: Removed Meeting Logger lines</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:04] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi Andrew<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Arielle<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: welcome arielle AO<br /> [11:05] Arielle Popstar: Hi Andrew Hi Ubit<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: hi everyone<br /> [11:06] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: And Janie, Jagga, Shelby and Vincent<br /> [11:06] Jagga Meredith: hi<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: Jamie^<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: Hi Ludo<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: ( and andrew's cat =<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: not seeing the cat<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: You won't see my cat any time soon. She is sleeping on my bed.<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: you can bring the avatar cat<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: you mean keeping the bed safe until your return<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: ofc when you do she may tell, go away the bed is mine...<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: There has been a lot more activity in the OpenSim code base this past week. One change was so good it had line repeated multiple times in the commit message. :)<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Few commits this week, mostly some adjustments to make code a bit more sane here and there. Biggest change was to handling of http requests in scripts.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: well in fact not even a opensim change lol<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some new toys to play with<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. Many of the changes mention libomv.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: we do have a repo at github<br /> [11:10] Arielle Popstar: wwhat are useless changes?<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: i activated some of its actions ( still very crude) so it does compile the code also<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: it does it on last mono and with .netframework 4.8 target<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: also lets us get that last build<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: sadly to update the github actions one needs to push them to the same repo<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Currently doesn't run tests so any regression testing still up to Jenkins for now<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, &quot;useless changes&quot; are usually ones that don't change the logic but may shave a tiny bit of time here and there. Sometimes they may be just to make the code easier to read.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: so.. ofc tons of commits with same name, fixing my types and bad tries<br /> [11:12] Arielle Popstar: thx Andrew<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: well this ones made it harder to read<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: bc where abotu adding the use of c# pointers ( so the unsafe )<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Commit edc90fd434 repeated &quot;Update msbuild48.yml&quot; 12 times.<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeha thats github things<br /> [11:13] Arielle Popstar: is that like trial and error?<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: is there other way? :p<br /> [11:14] Arielle Popstar: heh<br /> [11:15] Arielle Popstar: didnt there used to be a beta FS download link here?<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: also did add a few more things to llGetObjectDetails<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: updating it<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: no, fs betas are not public<br /> [11:15] Arielle Popstar: well they used to have a link here<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: don't thing we had ..<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: but ok<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Rebuilt the script syntax as well so that's up to date as well which is useful<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: the last official release is having issues<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: well they are on a pre release of next one already<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: used to be right in front of the Meeting chat prim on the counter there<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm using the last release for Linux and haven't noticed any issues so far.<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: public const int OBJECT_ACCOUNT_LEVEL = 41;<br /> public const int OBJECT_MATERIAL = 42;<br /> public const int OBJECT_MASS = 43;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT = 44;<br /> public const int OBJECT_REZ_TIME = 45;<br /> public const int OBJECT_LINK_NUMBER = 46;<br /> public const int OBJECT_SCALE = 47;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT_COLOR = 48;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT_ALPHA = 49;<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: this are the added things to llgetobjectparameters<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: seeing it not releasing avatar animations forcing me to use stop avatar animations and revoke permissions<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: redundant things most, but well to keep a bit in sync with ll lsl on that<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: i only use the default anims, do noticed no issues<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: so..<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Same here.<br /> [11:20] Arielle Popstar: so no ao ?<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: https://github.com/opensim/opensim<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: that is the repo<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, no. I don't use the one in the viewer nor one in world.<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: also added similar things to my own, where libopenmetaverse lives<br /> [11:21] Arielle Popstar: how do you test your code contributions then?<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: why would i do that? they are perfect!<br /> [11:21] Arielle Popstar: trial and error remember :p<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: https://github.com/UbitUmarov/libopenmetaverse<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't contributed code to FS and I have never made a change to the OS code base related to animations.<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: the repos on bitbucket to have al the things..<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Spread around everywhere for redundancy<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: ao's are scripting intensive<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: yes lag intensive<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: noone wants to walk around like a noob<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: you called andrew a noo?<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: A lot of AOs were made in SL and they weren't done properly.<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: but even ll knows how bad they are, did try to make the server side ones..<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: but no one seems to use, guess because more limited<br /> [11:25] Arielle Popstar: well if they had made better default walks stands and sits, people would use them<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: server side has a fixed set of avatar states, that do not incluse swim for example<br /> [11:26] Arielle Popstar: but s/l prefers creators to make them then they having to do any work in updating animations, avatars etc<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: viewers take the fly state and compare water level to change to swim<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: etc<br /> [11:27] Arielle Popstar: wasnt there talk at one point of updating the default avatar hgere ?<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: i also stopped creating assets for new inventory items<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, there was work being done on Ruth / Roth avatars.<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: yes but they werent intended to be put as default<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: like the ruth<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: system avatars<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: so, scripts and notecards set the item asset to shared assets<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: others just set to nothing<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: ie the ones most of you are wearing :)<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: viewers do pre upload assets for many, sadly<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: so those are they where<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: new gestures are the ones i seen now set to uuid zero<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: this will save a lot of useless garbage assets creation on grids<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hard drives everywhere rejoice in glee over that I hear<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: petty viewers keep uploadind new clothes, bodies etc<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: also all new assets with same data<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: we could just set them all to shared assets like notecars and scripts now<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not even just the asset servers that have to deal with the load, I got an IAR the other day, 56GB in size, with nearly a third of all the assets within already existing locally, well hash of the data being the same<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well think those where the code changes<br /> [11:33] Arielle Popstar: back on .8.2 iars used to be like a 1 or 2 gb now they up to 10GB for same sized invemntory<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Was something in there about terse updates as well<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: plus the &quot;useless ones&quot; abotu saving a few ns of cpu time here and there<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: yeah terse updates, move code to unsafe pointers<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: unsafe in ms .net terminology ofc<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gave me flashbacks to the viewer object cache incident when I read the commit message xD<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: hat they call unsafe, is just the normal on c++ and other languages<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Whatever new LL bug we shall discover this week heh<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: so fun how ms keeps turning c# the Wrong tool or any job<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: (not) fun<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: After the whole rollback and then going back to mainline I haven't seen another TryParse related crash, so whatever combination of mono and libomv updates seems to have fixed that. Still gonna track that for a while longer though<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: so what news abotu opensim do oyu have?<br /> [11:39] Arielle Popstar: well i see a lot of things that dont work here<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: you looking for s/l bugs but meanwhile we have stuff that simply doesnt work<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I thought we've mostly covered any news.<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: like teleport history links that are useless foor getting back<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: maps not opening on show on map<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: that is viewer side<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: many still fail on HG<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: it is but it is dependent on the server code to trigger it properly<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: not really<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: server keeps no history<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: it fails more now then it used to though the viewer works fine in s/l<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: that is viewer side<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: and also has issues with large regions<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: that says it is server side here<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: Beq and Rye made some improvements not long ago<br /> [11:43] Arielle Popstar: do you coordinate with Beq to resolve some of these things?<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: many viewers still have wrong math with region handles etc<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, if you are using FS then you are talking about two different versions of viewer.<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: one ocasions did yes<br /> [11:43] Arielle Popstar: i use the opensim version for both s/l and here<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: even made fs patch lol<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well not a formal patch<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: details<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: the hop protocol also still not that reliable<br /> [11:44] Arielle Popstar: they vbiewer devbs sit with the lindens tyo discuss these things<br /> [11:44] Arielle Popstar: who even uses the hop<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: but well tons of thigns jsut fail with HG<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: other then FS?<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: fs<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: and they shouldnt and didnt used to as much<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: i see increasing problems with HG<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: though the jumps are still good<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: most issues are still around large regions and HG<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: well so bugs<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: in Opensim<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: and viewer side<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I find the FS viewer for SL won't even remember my password.<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: we have opernsim specific viewers and several of the vierwer devs are interested in maintaining compatibility with us<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: opensim can't detect if a viewer sends the wrong pair (handle, offset )<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: same issue with me Andrew<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: on just one account<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: are you updating them on changes that might change behaviour in the viewer?<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: but as i said not that long ago (months Beq and Rye made a few more fixes<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: our tp code is stable for hm years?<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: wel the main code<br /> [11:48] Arielle Popstar: tp maybe yes but there is also the LM's and other feratures which arent<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: features<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: most server side handle/offset global coords issues where fixes on 0.9.x<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: early 0.9x<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: lm similar issues..<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: sdo what broke?<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: in fact to avoid some issues, server does ignore data sent by viewers on lms<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:50] Arielle Popstar: ok so a opensim issue<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: you are the one telling it is brokne<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: I have seen TPs fail when I accept a teleport offer from someone. The TP progress bar gets stuck part way. Don't know if that is related to issues in FS, server side, or both.<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: there is noting on mantis<br /> [11:50] Arielle Popstar: well are you testing that stuff Ubit?<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: yes same Andrew<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: though happens in s/l too<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: teleports can fail bc a ton a reasons<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Andrew, usually that fixes itself after a reboot, haven't had that fail reliably yet<br /> [11:51] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: I had some issue like that but I think it come from the region server<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: like network issues<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: faild dns<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: etc<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Ubit<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: openism is not a nice closed controled thing like sl<br /> [11:52] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Issue is linked to the region setup<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Teleports do run some async things too, if they get lost somewhere you get random failures on retry it then just works fine<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: except a few grids with a infrasture compared to sl<br /> [11:52] Arielle Popstar: no but cant just wash hands of it and blame network or viewer every time<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: lie kitely, etc<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: can't expect tps to wokr 100% of time on home regiosn<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: or regions spread all over the world like osgrid<br /> [11:53] Arielle Popstar: and I dont and i am not really even on about the tp fails but the mess with LM's<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: what is the mantis issue about that lms problem?<br /> [11:54] Arielle Popstar: you already know and admitted there are problems with the HG and teleport history<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: yes, viewer side<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: it need something to account for HG then<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: and it used to work<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: something in Opensim has changed<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: also told some fixed by beq and rye, code in fs and alch, etc<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did also fix the handles recently and had some code done to get hop working a little bit better<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:56] Arielle Popstar: so that needs changes by the viewers Vincent?<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: I know of something else that &quot;used to work&quot; but no one else seems to have either noticed or think it an issue to worry about. I haven't determined if the issue is viewer side or server side.<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: i also did add more information on teleports<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: to make easy for viewers to know what grid they are on, etc<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: FS did adjust hop as well to work more reliably, but with the setups of grids out there it's hard to get it working in all cases<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: teleports are very sentive things<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: a ton of things neet to work fine for them to happen<br /> [11:58] Arielle Popstar: does the viewer automatically convert an HG map search to a hop?<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: should ask that to viewer devs :p<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: but ofc.. at least do try<br /> [11:59] Arielle Popstar: do all the tpv viewers use the hop protocol?<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: i dont use all tpvs viewers, only a few<br /> [12:00] Arielle Popstar: the ones you do then?<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: of the ones i use, think only fs<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, Probably not. Some TPVs haven't had their code updated in a long time.<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: well i basicly only use fs, and test a few others<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: singu and alch have other protocol<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: xsomething<br /> [12:01] Arielle Popstar: do you go to the TPV meetings in s/l Ubit?<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: they are once per monht<br /> [12:01] Arielle Popstar: oh they changed from bi weekly?<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: go now and then, and see the videos<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: but those are SL things.. not opensim<br /> [12:02] Arielle Popstar: do yuou speak with beq regular?<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: now all mor eon the new renderinf changes etc<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: well the new fs is really faster<br /> [12:03] Arielle Popstar: yes seeing that<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: with the ll changes to rendering<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour. Before we continue on the viewer issues, is there anyone else here waiting to ask a question or make a comment?<br /> [12:04] Arielle Popstar: guess just me whining<br /> [12:05] Arielle Popstar: all good in kitely?<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks waits for Vincent to finish typing something.<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Teleport history has been a trouble maker for a while now. If there are reproducible issues then it should be easy to resolve if reports are made outlining what the intended behavior is. We haven't seen such reports on mantis, but it's mostly a viewer side thing anyways<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Landmarks have all manners of broken data on them, mostly because of age and changes to OpenSim breaking them<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: it is 100% viewer side<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: heh<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: servers have nothing to do with it<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: tp history i mean<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: the server must store the history though<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always attempts made to move forward with things so old data has a tendency to just go bad when it sees fixes to OpenSim<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, why should the server store TP history?<br /> [12:07] Arielle Popstar: well othgerwise it would be found in the data stufgf<br /> [12:07] Arielle Popstar: stuff<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is no teleport history on OpenSim, it only knows where you are or where you have gone, what happens after that is out of its range<br /> [12:08] Arielle Popstar: need a spell checker too :)<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Once one grid hands you off you are gone for that grid until you return<br /> [12:08] Arielle Popstar: yah that sucks too]<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: The only TP history I'm aware of is the messages in the chat window saying I TPed from some place.<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: why do offline messages from the HG not get stored?<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: a viewer message<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If the entire system knew where you were last I could log back into here when I select Last Location on the login screen, but it puts me back onto my home region, cause that's where I was last on it<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: look under World&gt;teleport history<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: last location on login is also viewer side<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: ALT+H<br /> [12:10] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: C:\Users\Ludo\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\ludo_davis.sheikah\teleport_history.txt<br /> [12:10] Arielle Popstar: take any of those LM histories and r-click and select show on map<br /> [12:11] Arielle Popstar: Ahh thank you Ludo<br /> [12:11] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: No worries<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: mine working fine<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The entries in that file are global positions i.e. handles, which we recently did fix up a bit to work better so that might now work<br /> [12:12] Arielle Popstar: oh ok<br /> [12:12] Arielle Popstar: weba<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: duhh did tp to one<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The problem otherwise is down to what the viewer thinks it needs to enter, especially on larger regions that might fail as it assumes regular sizes<br /> [12:13] Arielle Popstar: do you have an hypergrid one?<br /> [12:13] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Work with HG on my side<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Clicking an entry in World-&gt; TP history and selecting Show on map seems to be working fine.<br /> [12:13] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: But map don't show picture. Expected I think<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: why i we need to repeat that hg fails a lot on viewers history ?<br /> [12:13] Arielle Popstar: ok, i'll start bugging beq<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: many don't even had HG code on history<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: their history knows nothing abotu hg<br /> [12:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you notice in that file there is no information on the grid the link is from, just the position<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: possilbe not even recent fs<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: bc that is &quot;2 much opensim&quot; for viewer devs to waste time on<br /> [12:15] Arielle Popstar: doesnt beq have an opensim grid?<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I'd say you are right. I found a rare HG TP in my history and &quot;show on map&quot; says invalid location.<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: they never did add HG to history<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If there is a manually set hyperlink it might work actually since that's a fixed coordinate<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: not sure abotu recent changes..<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But we randomly assign them each time so they won't stick<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: but sure not on any tpv dev priority<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Now adding the grid url to that you are in the same territory of the hop link issue with grids using split gatekeeper and login service urls<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So even if that gets added chances it still doesn't work right all the time<br /> [12:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: HG is a mess with all the different setups so that you can get places is priority still, convenience is mostly viewer side anyways<br /> [12:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most reliable way remains the World Map<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: when i do hg i mostly only to tp home<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: everything else ( otthe than recent lms) will most likely fail<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: to home and recent lms should work<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: tp<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: well assuming you did set home :)<br /> [12:20] Arielle Popstar: think you have to or be more fails<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ubit drags me around places from time to time and so far even on my overly complicated testing setup that seems to work fine, surprisingly<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Lot more stable than it used to be some years ago<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: No more blood sacrifice needed for the second teleport to work<br /> [12:21] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:22] Arielle Popstar: lol<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: and well network issues keep poping up<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: lbsa ISP kept having a broken router kiiling all net<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: another isp in EU is nice for EU ppl, but usa ppl has more problems..<br /> [12:24] Arielle Popstar: contabo<br /> [12:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: North American hardware remains problematic or very expensive, strange culture difference that<br /> [12:24] Jagga Meredith: Rogers Canada sent out a corrupt routing table. Every router forgot every other router. Took them nearly 24 hours to fix<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: remember than opensim network packets need to wait for all twitch, youtube, facebook etc to pass first<br /> [12:24] Arielle Popstar: oh is that what that outage was about?<br /> [12:25] Jagga Meredith: yup<br /> [12:25] Arielle Popstar: glad I had my cell data plan<br /> [12:25] Arielle Popstar: on Telus<br /> [12:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks for the info. I never heard them say what was the cause of their problems. Interesting how routing tables affected both Internet and cell phone services.<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: it is all packets now<br /> [12:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Glorified wifi routers those things<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: some cells use same lines<br /> [12:27] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, a lot of the &quot;smart&quot; cell phones have access to all sorts of network related services.<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:27] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: I'm going too. Take care everyone<br /> [12:28] Andrew Hellershanks: We are almost half past the hour. I need to be going soon.<br /> [12:28] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye<br /> [12:28] Arielle Popstar: TC Ludo<br /> [12:28] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Bye Ludo.<br /> [12:28] Arielle Popstar: time for a late lunch for me<br /> [12:28] Jagga Meredith: moving computers around. need to go buy cabling<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: ok also need go rl<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: cya around<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Before we lose many other people I'll call this meeting to a close.<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-30 2022-08-31T01:36:54Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:03] Telehub: Welcome back to, Dev Outreach, Andrew Hellershanks.<br /> **During meethings, all chat is logged.**<br /> This Region Running, OpenSim 0.9.2.2 Yeti Dev 91b76da (Unix/Mono)<br /> &quot;Only two of my personalities are schizophrenic, but one of them is paranoid and the other one is out to get him.&quot;<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: This is interesting. The entire bar is missing.<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah, here it comes. :)<br /> [11:04] Meeting Chat Logger V4: Meeting chat logging has been enabled.<br /> [11:04] Meeting Chat Logger V4: Be sure to stop and clear the log at the end of the meeting, this will create the archive @ https://outreach.blight.media/archive/<br /> [11:04] Meeting Chat Logger V4: You can view the log at: https://outreach.blight.media/index.php<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:04] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi Andrew<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Arielle<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: welcome arielle AO<br /> [11:05] Arielle Popstar: Hi Andrew Hi Ubit<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: hi everyone<br /> [11:06] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: And Janie, Jagga, Shelby and Vincent<br /> [11:06] Jagga Meredith: hi<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: Jamie^<br /> [11:06] Arielle Popstar: Hi Ludo<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: ( and andrew's cat =<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: not seeing the cat<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: You won't see my cat any time soon. She is sleeping on my bed.<br /> [11:07] Arielle Popstar: you can bring the avatar cat<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: you mean keeping the bed safe until your return<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: ofc when you do she may tell, go away the bed is mine...<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: There has been a lot more activity in the OpenSim code base this past week. One change was so good it had line repeated multiple times in the commit message. :)<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Few commits this week, mostly some adjustments to make code a bit more sane here and there. Biggest change was to handling of http requests in scripts.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: well in fact not even a opensim change lol<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some new toys to play with<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. Many of the changes mention libomv.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: we do have a repo at github<br /> [11:10] Arielle Popstar: wwhat are useless changes?<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: i activated some of its actions ( still very crude) so it does compile the code also<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: it does it on last mono and with .netframework 4.8 target<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: also lets us get that last build<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: sadly to update the github actions one needs to push them to the same repo<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Currently doesn't run tests so any regression testing still up to Jenkins for now<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, &quot;useless changes&quot; are usually ones that don't change the logic but may shave a tiny bit of time here and there. Sometimes they may be just to make the code easier to read.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: so.. ofc tons of commits with same name, fixing my types and bad tries<br /> [11:12] Arielle Popstar: thx Andrew<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: well this ones made it harder to read<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: bc where abotu adding the use of c# pointers ( so the unsafe )<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Commit edc90fd434 repeated &quot;Update msbuild48.yml&quot; 12 times.<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeha thats github things<br /> [11:13] Arielle Popstar: is that like trial and error?<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: is there other way? :p<br /> [11:14] Arielle Popstar: heh<br /> [11:15] Arielle Popstar: didnt there used to be a beta FS download link here?<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: also did add a few more things to llGetObjectDetails<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: updating it<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: no, fs betas are not public<br /> [11:15] Arielle Popstar: well they used to have a link here<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: don't thing we had ..<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: but ok<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Rebuilt the script syntax as well so that's up to date as well which is useful<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: the last official release is having issues<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: well they are on a pre release of next one already<br /> [11:16] Arielle Popstar: used to be right in front of the Meeting chat prim on the counter there<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm using the last release for Linux and haven't noticed any issues so far.<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: public const int OBJECT_ACCOUNT_LEVEL = 41;<br /> public const int OBJECT_MATERIAL = 42;<br /> public const int OBJECT_MASS = 43;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT = 44;<br /> public const int OBJECT_REZ_TIME = 45;<br /> public const int OBJECT_LINK_NUMBER = 46;<br /> public const int OBJECT_SCALE = 47;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT_COLOR = 48;<br /> public const int OBJECT_TEXT_ALPHA = 49;<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: this are the added things to llgetobjectparameters<br /> [11:17] Arielle Popstar: seeing it not releasing avatar animations forcing me to use stop avatar animations and revoke permissions<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: redundant things most, but well to keep a bit in sync with ll lsl on that<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: i only use the default anims, do noticed no issues<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: so..<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Same here.<br /> [11:20] Arielle Popstar: so no ao ?<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: https://github.com/opensim/opensim<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: that is the repo<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, no. I don't use the one in the viewer nor one in world.<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: also added similar things to my own, where libopenmetaverse lives<br /> [11:21] Arielle Popstar: how do you test your code contributions then?<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: why would i do that? they are perfect!<br /> [11:21] Arielle Popstar: trial and error remember :p<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: https://github.com/UbitUmarov/libopenmetaverse<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't contributed code to FS and I have never made a change to the OS code base related to animations.<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: the repos on bitbucket to have al the things..<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/opensimulator/<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Spread around everywhere for redundancy<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: ao's are scripting intensive<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: yes lag intensive<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:23] Arielle Popstar: noone wants to walk around like a noob<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: you called andrew a noo?<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: A lot of AOs were made in SL and they weren't done properly.<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: but even ll knows how bad they are, did try to make the server side ones..<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: but no one seems to use, guess because more limited<br /> [11:25] Arielle Popstar: well if they had made better default walks stands and sits, people would use them<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: server side has a fixed set of avatar states, that do not incluse swim for example<br /> [11:26] Arielle Popstar: but s/l prefers creators to make them then they having to do any work in updating animations, avatars etc<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: viewers take the fly state and compare water level to change to swim<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: etc<br /> [11:27] Arielle Popstar: wasnt there talk at one point of updating the default avatar hgere ?<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: i also stopped creating assets for new inventory items<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, there was work being done on Ruth / Roth avatars.<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: yes but they werent intended to be put as default<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: like the ruth<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: system avatars<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: so, scripts and notecards set the item asset to shared assets<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: others just set to nothing<br /> [11:28] Arielle Popstar: ie the ones most of you are wearing :)<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: viewers do pre upload assets for many, sadly<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: so those are they where<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: new gestures are the ones i seen now set to uuid zero<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: this will save a lot of useless garbage assets creation on grids<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hard drives everywhere rejoice in glee over that I hear<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: petty viewers keep uploadind new clothes, bodies etc<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: also all new assets with same data<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: we could just set them all to shared assets like notecars and scripts now<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not even just the asset servers that have to deal with the load, I got an IAR the other day, 56GB in size, with nearly a third of all the assets within already existing locally, well hash of the data being the same<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well think those where the code changes<br /> [11:33] Arielle Popstar: back on .8.2 iars used to be like a 1 or 2 gb now they up to 10GB for same sized invemntory<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Was something in there about terse updates as well<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: plus the &quot;useless ones&quot; abotu saving a few ns of cpu time here and there<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: yeah terse updates, move code to unsafe pointers<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: unsafe in ms .net terminology ofc<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gave me flashbacks to the viewer object cache incident when I read the commit message xD<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: hat they call unsafe, is just the normal on c++ and other languages<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Whatever new LL bug we shall discover this week heh<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: so fun how ms keeps turning c# the Wrong tool or any job<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: (not) fun<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: After the whole rollback and then going back to mainline I haven't seen another TryParse related crash, so whatever combination of mono and libomv updates seems to have fixed that. Still gonna track that for a while longer though<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: so what news abotu opensim do oyu have?<br /> [11:39] Arielle Popstar: well i see a lot of things that dont work here<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: you looking for s/l bugs but meanwhile we have stuff that simply doesnt work<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I thought we've mostly covered any news.<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: like teleport history links that are useless foor getting back<br /> [11:40] Arielle Popstar: maps not opening on show on map<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: that is viewer side<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: many still fail on HG<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: it is but it is dependent on the server code to trigger it properly<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: not really<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: server keeps no history<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: it fails more now then it used to though the viewer works fine in s/l<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: that is viewer side<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: and also has issues with large regions<br /> [11:41] Arielle Popstar: that says it is server side here<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: Beq and Rye made some improvements not long ago<br /> [11:43] Arielle Popstar: do you coordinate with Beq to resolve some of these things?<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: many viewers still have wrong math with region handles etc<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, if you are using FS then you are talking about two different versions of viewer.<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: one ocasions did yes<br /> [11:43] Arielle Popstar: i use the opensim version for both s/l and here<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: even made fs patch lol<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well not a formal patch<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: details<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: the hop protocol also still not that reliable<br /> [11:44] Arielle Popstar: they vbiewer devbs sit with the lindens tyo discuss these things<br /> [11:44] Arielle Popstar: who even uses the hop<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: but well tons of thigns jsut fail with HG<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: other then FS?<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: fs<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: and they shouldnt and didnt used to as much<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: i see increasing problems with HG<br /> [11:45] Arielle Popstar: though the jumps are still good<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: most issues are still around large regions and HG<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: well so bugs<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: in Opensim<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: and viewer side<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I find the FS viewer for SL won't even remember my password.<br /> [11:46] Arielle Popstar: we have opernsim specific viewers and several of the vierwer devs are interested in maintaining compatibility with us<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: opensim can't detect if a viewer sends the wrong pair (handle, offset )<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: same issue with me Andrew<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: on just one account<br /> [11:47] Arielle Popstar: are you updating them on changes that might change behaviour in the viewer?<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: but as i said not that long ago (months Beq and Rye made a few more fixes<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: our tp code is stable for hm years?<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: wel the main code<br /> [11:48] Arielle Popstar: tp maybe yes but there is also the LM's and other feratures which arent<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: features<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: most server side handle/offset global coords issues where fixes on 0.9.x<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: early 0.9x<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: lm similar issues..<br /> [11:49] Arielle Popstar: sdo what broke?<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: in fact to avoid some issues, server does ignore data sent by viewers on lms<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: dunno<br /> [11:50] Arielle Popstar: ok so a opensim issue<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: you are the one telling it is brokne<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: I have seen TPs fail when I accept a teleport offer from someone. The TP progress bar gets stuck part way. Don't know if that is related to issues in FS, server side, or both.<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: there is noting on mantis<br /> [11:50] Arielle Popstar: well are you testing that stuff Ubit?<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: yes same Andrew<br /> [11:51] Arielle Popstar: though happens in s/l too<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: teleports can fail bc a ton a reasons<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Andrew, usually that fixes itself after a reboot, haven't had that fail reliably yet<br /> [11:51] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: I had some issue like that but I think it come from the region server<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: like network issues<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: faild dns<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: etc<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Ubit<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: openism is not a nice closed controled thing like sl<br /> [11:52] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Issue is linked to the region setup<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Teleports do run some async things too, if they get lost somewhere you get random failures on retry it then just works fine<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: except a few grids with a infrasture compared to sl<br /> [11:52] Arielle Popstar: no but cant just wash hands of it and blame network or viewer every time<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: lie kitely, etc<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: can't expect tps to wokr 100% of time on home regiosn<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: or regions spread all over the world like osgrid<br /> [11:53] Arielle Popstar: and I dont and i am not really even on about the tp fails but the mess with LM's<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: what is the mantis issue about that lms problem?<br /> [11:54] Arielle Popstar: you already know and admitted there are problems with the HG and teleport history<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: yes, viewer side<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: it need something to account for HG then<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: and it used to work<br /> [11:55] Arielle Popstar: something in Opensim has changed<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: also told some fixed by beq and rye, code in fs and alch, etc<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did also fix the handles recently and had some code done to get hop working a little bit better<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:56] Arielle Popstar: so that needs changes by the viewers Vincent?<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: I know of something else that &quot;used to work&quot; but no one else seems to have either noticed or think it an issue to worry about. I haven't determined if the issue is viewer side or server side.<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: i also did add more information on teleports<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: to make easy for viewers to know what grid they are on, etc<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: FS did adjust hop as well to work more reliably, but with the setups of grids out there it's hard to get it working in all cases<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: teleports are very sentive things<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: a ton of things neet to work fine for them to happen<br /> [11:58] Arielle Popstar: does the viewer automatically convert an HG map search to a hop?<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: should ask that to viewer devs :p<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: but ofc.. at least do try<br /> [11:59] Arielle Popstar: do all the tpv viewers use the hop protocol?<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: i dont use all tpvs viewers, only a few<br /> [12:00] Arielle Popstar: the ones you do then?<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: of the ones i use, think only fs<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, Probably not. Some TPVs haven't had their code updated in a long time.<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: well i basicly only use fs, and test a few others<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: singu and alch have other protocol<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: xsomething<br /> [12:01] Arielle Popstar: do you go to the TPV meetings in s/l Ubit?<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: they are once per monht<br /> [12:01] Arielle Popstar: oh they changed from bi weekly?<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: go now and then, and see the videos<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: but those are SL things.. not opensim<br /> [12:02] Arielle Popstar: do yuou speak with beq regular?<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: now all mor eon the new renderinf changes etc<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: well the new fs is really faster<br /> [12:03] Arielle Popstar: yes seeing that<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: with the ll changes to rendering<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour. Before we continue on the viewer issues, is there anyone else here waiting to ask a question or make a comment?<br /> [12:04] Arielle Popstar: guess just me whining<br /> [12:05] Arielle Popstar: all good in kitely?<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks waits for Vincent to finish typing something.<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Teleport history has been a trouble maker for a while now. If there are reproducible issues then it should be easy to resolve if reports are made outlining what the intended behavior is. We haven't seen such reports on mantis, but it's mostly a viewer side thing anyways<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Landmarks have all manners of broken data on them, mostly because of age and changes to OpenSim breaking them<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: it is 100% viewer side<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: heh<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: servers have nothing to do with it<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: tp history i mean<br /> [12:06] Arielle Popstar: the server must store the history though<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always attempts made to move forward with things so old data has a tendency to just go bad when it sees fixes to OpenSim<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Arielle, why should the server store TP history?<br /> [12:07] Arielle Popstar: well othgerwise it would be found in the data stufgf<br /> [12:07] Arielle Popstar: stuff<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is no teleport history on OpenSim, it only knows where you are or where you have gone, what happens after that is out of its range<br /> [12:08] Arielle Popstar: need a spell checker too :)<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Once one grid hands you off you are gone for that grid until you return<br /> [12:08] Arielle Popstar: yah that sucks too]<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: The only TP history I'm aware of is the messages in the chat window saying I TPed from some place.<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: why do offline messages from the HG not get stored?<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: a viewer message<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If the entire system knew where you were last I could log back into here when I select Last Location on the login screen, but it puts me back onto my home region, cause that's where I was last on it<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: look under World&gt;teleport history<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: last location on login is also viewer side<br /> [12:09] Arielle Popstar: ALT+H<br /> [12:10] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: C:\Users\Ludo\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm_x64\ludo_davis.sheikah\teleport_history.txt<br /> [12:10] Arielle Popstar: take any of those LM histories and r-click and select show on map<br /> [12:11] Arielle Popstar: Ahh thank you Ludo<br /> [12:11] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: No worries<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: mine working fine<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The entries in that file are global positions i.e. handles, which we recently did fix up a bit to work better so that might now work<br /> [12:12] Arielle Popstar: oh ok<br /> [12:12] Arielle Popstar: weba<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: duhh did tp to one<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: lol<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The problem otherwise is down to what the viewer thinks it needs to enter, especially on larger regions that might fail as it assumes regular sizes<br /> [12:13] Arielle Popstar: do you have an hypergrid one?<br /> [12:13] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Work with HG on my side<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Clicking an entry in World-&gt; TP history and selecting Show on map seems to be working fine.<br /> [12:13] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: But map don't show picture. Expected I think<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: why i we need to repeat that hg fails a lot on viewers history ?<br /> [12:13] Arielle Popstar: ok, i'll start bugging beq<br /> [12:13] Ubit Umarov: many don't even had HG code on history<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: their history knows nothing abotu hg<br /> [12:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you notice in that file there is no information on the grid the link is from, just the position<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: possilbe not even recent fs<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: bc that is &quot;2 much opensim&quot; for viewer devs to waste time on<br /> [12:15] Arielle Popstar: doesnt beq have an opensim grid?<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I'd say you are right. I found a rare HG TP in my history and &quot;show on map&quot; says invalid location.<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: they never did add HG to history<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If there is a manually set hyperlink it might work actually since that's a fixed coordinate<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: not sure abotu recent changes..<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But we randomly assign them each time so they won't stick<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: but sure not on any tpv dev priority<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Now adding the grid url to that you are in the same territory of the hop link issue with grids using split gatekeeper and login service urls<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So even if that gets added chances it still doesn't work right all the time<br /> [12:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: HG is a mess with all the different setups so that you can get places is priority still, convenience is mostly viewer side anyways<br /> [12:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most reliable way remains the World Map<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: when i do hg i mostly only to tp home<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: everything else ( otthe than recent lms) will most likely fail<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: to home and recent lms should work<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: tp<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: well assuming you did set home :)<br /> [12:20] Arielle Popstar: think you have to or be more fails<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ubit drags me around places from time to time and so far even on my overly complicated testing setup that seems to work fine, surprisingly<br /> [12:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Lot more stable than it used to be some years ago<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: No more blood sacrifice needed for the second teleport to work<br /> [12:21] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:22] Arielle Popstar: lol<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: and well network issues keep poping up<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: lbsa ISP kept having a broken router kiiling all net<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: another isp in EU is nice for EU ppl, but usa ppl has more problems..<br /> [12:24] Arielle Popstar: contabo<br /> [12:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: North American hardware remains problematic or very expensive, strange culture difference that<br /> [12:24] Jagga Meredith: Rogers Canada sent out a corrupt routing table. Every router forgot every other router. Took them nearly 24 hours to fix<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: remember than opensim network packets need to wait for all twitch, youtube, facebook etc to pass first<br /> [12:24] Arielle Popstar: oh is that what that outage was about?<br /> [12:25] Jagga Meredith: yup<br /> [12:25] Arielle Popstar: glad I had my cell data plan<br /> [12:25] Arielle Popstar: on Telus<br /> [12:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks for the info. I never heard them say what was the cause of their problems. Interesting how routing tables affected both Internet and cell phone services.<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: it is all packets now<br /> [12:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Glorified wifi routers those things<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: some cells use same lines<br /> [12:27] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, a lot of the &quot;smart&quot; cell phones have access to all sorts of network related services.<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:27] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: I'm going too. Take care everyone<br /> [12:28] Andrew Hellershanks: We are almost half past the hour. I need to be going soon.<br /> [12:28] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye<br /> [12:28] Arielle Popstar: TC Ludo<br /> [12:28] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Bye Ludo.<br /> [12:28] Arielle Popstar: time for a late lunch for me<br /> [12:28] Jagga Meredith: moving computers around. need to go buy cabling<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: ok also need go rl<br /> [12:28] Ubit Umarov: cya around<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Before we lose many other people I'll call this meeting to a close.<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-08-31T01:36:19Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [10:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [10:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Let's see this week we had more of Ubit beating things into submission hehe<br /> [11:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Is much left on that?<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: that was a minor thing<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: changes of the type &quot;useless changes&quot; uff<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: looking to code, clear time saved<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: in use.. bahh<br /> [11:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Not entirely useless if they make things easier to read<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: there was there a O(n^2) now a O(nlogn)<br /> [10:56] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: HI guys<br /> [10:57] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi cuga, hey selby<br /> [10:57] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [10:58] Kayaker Magic: Hello Jamie, Guga, Selby, earlybirds!<br /> [10:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi kayaker<br /> [10:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Maybe I can ask a question before the mtg starts<br /> [10:59] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ask away!<br /> [10:59] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Can anyone point me to a good resource for enforcinf a web page form TOS to be agreed before inbound HG TP?<br /> [11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: to disallow inbound HG TP unless someone fills out form<br /> [11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: like they do at OSCC music sim<br /> [11:00] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: is there something already written for that<br /> [11:00] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:01] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Hi Jamie<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi jamie - and cuga, good question. if they do it for oscc music then someones already done it - the question is who :)<br /> [11:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Ive seen it done in more than one grid<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: what may i ask?<br /> [11:02] Kayaker Magic: Lots of tasks for OpenSim grid management are home-rolled by the admins.<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: wlel yeah not much core code for grid admin<br /> [11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I wouldnt know where to begin, Gatekeeper.cs<br /> [11:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ubit - the question was: to disallow inbound HG TP unless someone fills out form<br /> [11:03] Kayaker Magic: So you probably won't find an open-source HG ban system lying aobut...<br /> [11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: hate to r-0invet the wheel<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: ah yes many grids have that, bc silly EU things<br /> [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. I wound up at out backup location when I logged in today.<br /> [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, but every grid manager ends up having to re-invent several wheels.<br /> [11:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: well its just signing TOS before entering, not really a ban<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: Bill made one of the first i seen<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: wel, bill now lost to RL<br /> [11:04] Kayaker Magic: If you find a grid manager who is willing to share, it will be code that assumes things about how the grid is set up, will need to be modified heavily. There are no standards.<br /> [11:05] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: it might be easiest to just ask a grid admin on one of the grids you find it on if they will share with you how to do it. most grid admins i've met are always happy to help<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: thing is abotu EU regulations where you need to tell you accept some storing of oyur date<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: or something like hat<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: that<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not really<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most if not all the data OpenSim sends is process-related so falls outside of those regulations<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: date? data!<br /> [11:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: the only data is the avatar URL and uuid<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... I think I have code for that GDPR thing.<br /> [11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: If theres a sample I could adapt that would be ideal<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Have a look at https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife/projectsasha.git<br /> [11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thanks.. looking<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: yeah but many did block HG unless ppl do go to a page and accept<br /> [11:06] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: says repo not found<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Like a webserver you have to know the IP to send data back to, can't get around that, it's how the internet works, so that's outside of gdpr. You only need that if you plan to do anything with that data other than process-related things such as sending a website back.<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, I don't know if that will still work with the latest version of OpenSim but it should get you going. I haven't tried using it in a long time.<br /> [11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: says repo not found?<br /> [11:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife/projectsasha.git<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/OpenSimLife seems gone<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: think it was bill's thing?<br /> [11:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: The way I've seen them work is the initial TP gives them a rejection dialog in viewer with a link to a web page. They fill it out, thewn the next TP works<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: something on gatekeeper login<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: yeah<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: guess a flag added to a db<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats how I would do it<br /> [11:09] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: also seen it done with filesystem<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: My copy of the project code was last updated June of 2018<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: already done by many<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I just need to find one to share<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: OK thanks I'll ask around<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can write that quite easily, the rejection stuff you can copy the code that's already there, rest is interface with griduser table and making some sort of key for a webpage to read and set acceptance flag.<br /> [11:10] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I wouldnt know where to start<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: If the code is no longer in any public repository I can add it to my list of github projects.<br /> [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that would be awesome<br /> [11:11] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: seems it would be a needed code bit for many people<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'm not really a C programmer but I do sql, php and JS in my sleep<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: but I'll learn what I need of get help<br /> [11:12] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: or*<br /> [11:13] Kayaker Magic: I think PHP / SQL will do you well.<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: yeah think bill did close that bitbucket repo when he closed the grid<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see who wrote it. It is just showing osC2 Dev Team.<br /> [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that part I can write no prob<br /> [11:13] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: its the OS code Im not sure about<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: There is no source code other than just some PHP files and a .sql one for setting up the database table.<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Adding something like that for gdpr compliance when it isn't needed is a bit silly, could be useful to get people to read rules, but I don't go to peoples houses and immediately destroy the furniture so good behavior as guest should be common sense I would hope...<br /> [11:14] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can set that up<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: many did that back then<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: think several girds demand that<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: in fact even seen a site that just refuses EU<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It did great for the internet, cookie popups everywhere and sites load ever slower -.-<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: because of gdpr<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, people outside the EU are being forced to comply if it is expected that you will have users from the EU.<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: and now the cookies crap is just irritating<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: How do I configure Gatekeeper or whatever to check for avatar X in database Y as a condition to allow inbound TP?<br /> [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, very<br /> [11:16] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I can do the php part<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: you need to change some of our code on hg login to do that<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: thats the part I need help with<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: think no hook there to use<br /> [11:17] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: if you can do the php part, since OS runs on databases, wouldnt it be as simple as a SELECT?<br /> [11:17] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: for llokup yes<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is code in Gatekeeper that checks existence in grid user table, you can add conditions after that based on the data in there, a flag for allow TP inbound for example. If set to false just give them a popup. Code for that is in the rejections further down that check against mac bans for example. It's C# code, not that much different from PHP<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not as complex as it may seem at first<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Can always ask on IRC or the mailing list for more help<br /> [11:19] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Is that in OpenSim/Services/LLLoginService/LLLoginService.cs ?<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: GatekeeperService is for HG, Login is for local users<br /> [11:20] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ah ok<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: In [modules] you set AuthorizationServices and in [AuthorizationServices] you set AuthorizationServerURI to point to a PHP file that is part of the Project Sasha repo.<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: AuthorizationServices = RemoteAuthorizationServicesConnector<br /> [11:22] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: taking notes<br /> [11:23] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: dont forget these are recorded and posted so you can come back if you forget a piece<br /> [11:24] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Does the PHP file just exist to fill out and add theor avatar to the DB, or does it also handle each inbound TP check as a handoff?<br /> [11:25] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: where is the Project Sacha repo?<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Don't know. It either has been deleted or it has moved to some other location. I've been trying to find it.<br /> [11:26] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I could definitely use that code and adapt it<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: The main adaptations would be to be able to access the database tables for your grid.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: well abotu last week code changes<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: a few more abotu try to save a few ns here and there<br /> [11:27] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes, what got done while i was working on the food platform?<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: also created shared assets for a default scritp and a empty notecard<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: so now when we create a new one in viewer inventory, the new item points to those<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: and will not create a new asset with same data over and over again<br /> [11:30] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that will help cut down on orphaned assets?<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: guess a few more cases can have this, but on several the viewers to preupload a new asset, so cant' avit that<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: yes will cut down a lot<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: wel or same<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: the new scripts are usually made on a region, so do not polute the assets service imediatly<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have not looked too deep into osMakeNotecard, it might still create a new asset even if the data inside the notecard is the same, but that's more a fault of bad LSL code than that function<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: bu tdo fill up the region cache etc<br /> [11:33] Kayaker Magic: If a HG visitor arrives and rezzes an object, doesn't it get swept into the main asset system in a few minutes?<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: hard to avid that<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: well this shared will also work on those cases<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: well one day when more regions know abotu them<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Cuga, I just sent you a link to a private place for the GDPR files. There are a couple of text files in it that tell you how you use it.<br /> [11:34] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: got it<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: that has the PHP code but not the OS code mods<br /> [11:35] Andrew Hellershanks: There are no code mods, AFAICT. You just change an ini file.<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh, even better<br /> [11:35] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: Thanks I'll take a closer look<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: yeah for what plug typed, it replaces a core service by a php one<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I mentioned the two settings earlier.<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: added a minor integer log2 thing<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I think I need a new mouse or mouse cable. It is not behaving itself properly.<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Should go without saying to avoid using osMakeNotecard if you can save the data to Prim description instead, because this all came about after I found some SF_animal notecards, 37 million in total, clogging up an asset server, which is just bad coding on the part of the script that made them. Suppose they ran on a timer saving positional data or something to a new notecard each time or something like that.<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: that is a little faster than using full float log<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: we did add a json store or something<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: had<br /> [11:37] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: andrew - have you tried using a trackball style? only problem i ever hit is when dust builds up around the ball on the sensors and a qtip fixes that in seconds<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, That is one of the reasons that the function has the threat level it does have and why it isn't enabled by default.<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I been thinking about adding a bigger disclaimer to the wiki on the results of overuse of that function as well, though not sure how many really read that as is<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: MichaelOmega: Years ago I had a keyboard with built-in trackball. It stopped working properly land I've never seen another like it since. I would love to have a keyboard with built-in mouse like device so I can sit back in my chair and still use a mouse.<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: that integer log2 is something that dotnet &gt; 5 does really fast on a intel cpu<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: because it does match a cpu instruction<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: so they did add it well on some dotnet version, system.numerics<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: that ofc we cant' use<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: so i added the managed code alternative<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: even to faster than the Math one<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: but well only used in no critical places so far<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: lie on warp3d map recreation<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Ludo<br /> [11:44] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Hi everyone<br /> [11:44] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hi ludo<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: ..<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: const double log2inv = 1.4426950408889634073599246810019;<br /> bitWidth = (int)Math.Ceiling((Math.Log(terrain.Width) * log2inv));<br /> bitHeight = (int)Math.Ceiling((Math.Log(terrain.Height) * log2inv));<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: is now<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: bitWidth = Util.intLog2((uint)terrain.Width);<br /> bitHeight = Util.intLog2((uint)terrain.Height);<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Minor savings in cpu over time go a long way when they add up :)<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: well this ones like 1ns per month :p<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One less carbon atom in the atmosphere<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: i may use it on ubode<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: not sure<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: well already do<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: so 1 more ns per region start!!<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: with all sititing this region physics is very light<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: 3us per frame :)<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: so like 30us per second<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ohh no... last was 4us<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Just over 10 minutes until the end of the hour. Anyone else have a question/comment for today?<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ppl love to be at lbsa standing<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: to sit is a big lag reduction thing<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: That's why we are asked to sit in the Keynote areas during the OSCC.<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's gotten a lot better, was throwing 1500 balls from one region to another the other day and no physics of sim fps drops at all<br /> [11:50] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: peaking of, how close are we getting to starting planning fo rthis years OSCC? times running away weith me this year<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: oscc has own team<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, I haven't heard anything yet. I would think some planning is already under way.<br /> [11:51] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: smh. yea, need to ask lyr or joy probably<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: don't remember when ttehy call for participants.. early Nov, Oct ?<br /> [11:53] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ok good, still got some time to decide which direction i want to focus this years talk, got too many irons in the fire<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Last year the call for proposals went out on September 27.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: That should give you about a month, Michael.<br /> [11:54] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ty<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: yw<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: yeha seems they ask at octuber<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I went back to mainline mono last Friday and since then it did not go back to crashing on TryParse again, knock on wood it stays that way. Removing mono entirely I noticed a few folders with data left in them in /etc and /usr/lib so perhaps it was loading some old things causing issues. Will have to see what new binaries on that version behave like<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: October even<br /> [11:55] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Sunday, September 25, 2016<br /> 2016 HG: OpenSimulator Community Conference 2016: Call for proposals.<br /> Call for proposals. OSCC 2016<br /> OpenSimulator Community Conference 2016<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Nothing in my testing environment ever ended up crashing so perhaps the 182 release already fixed what was wrong, time will tell<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gotta love these illusive bugs<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: https://conference.opensimulator.org/call-for-proposals/<br /> [11:56] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :)<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: that was for 2021 :)<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: ohh but<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: September 27, 2021 – Announcement of the Call for Proposals!<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: MariaDB also finally added ubuntu jammy to their repo list so you can get the latest stable now instead of some older version<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, I know and I said that. I was trying to provide some idea of the timeline we can expect for this year.<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: its a good reference. proposal deadline beginning of Nov. gives plenty of time to finalize schedule and fill in entertainment<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Just a couple of minutes left in the hour. Last call for questions/comments.<br /> [11:59] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: none else here<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: ohh no..<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: we should have a release before that?<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, Could be worth it if there have been enough changes and/or bug fixes. It is something to think about.<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gotta give the latest changes some time to be tested before another release<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: guess for now only a 0.9.2.2<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing like the upcoming OSCC to make one think about a new release. :)<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: ( our release is 0.9.2.1 i case you don't remember ;) )<br /> [12:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: who needs time tot est for bugs before a public release? look at microsoft! (ok maybe that was a bit too far)<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: tot est ?<br /> [12:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: to test<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: to test<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: oops ofc tot est<br /> [12:02] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: What are the main issues to watch out for in trunk?<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: That's the new buzz phrase for here. ;)<br /> [12:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :))<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: well the changes we speak about each week :)<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: and others we doen't<br /> [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ok :)<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The changes to physics code and the notecard/script stuff could cause trouble, I don't expect them to, but some edge case might be there hard to know without looking everywhere<br /> [12:03] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have a lot of test cases for physics<br /> [12:04] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: are they mainly in obODE or also Bullet?<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We got some unit tests for the most grave things, though we could use more of those too<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: i did place a box with those assets at lbs<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: did remove the eep ones..<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We did find some problems through those actually, part of the changes this week even<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: but any grid can HG to lbsa and take a copy of that box, so getting the assets<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: oh the eep is updated?<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'll have to grab that for my standalone<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: its where the eep ones where<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I remember, I got the original<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: no change on eep<br /> [12:05] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: ohh<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: so that i did remove the box that was there with the eep assets<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: hmm and another one with assets i forgot :)<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I'll give physics a thorough shakeout on trunk.<br /> [12:07] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: I have test cases MrBlue said he never saw before and couldn't believe they actually worked :)<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: but getting any object with such asset here at osg, will make that asset be transfered<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: or any grid with current 0.9.2.2<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: well grids that do use core assets services<br /> [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: should I delete that asset that cane from OSG?<br /> [12:08] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:08] Cuga.Rajal @rajal.org:9000: is it included now with the distro?<br /> [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye selby!<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: others need to put them also on their assets services<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans<br /> [12:09] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye Selby<br /> [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: oh shoot just noticed time<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby<br /> [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i'd better run too before im late again :))<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, we are past the hour now.<br /> [12:09] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: have a great week and ttys!<br /> [12:09] Ludo.Davis @sheikah.org:8002: Bye everyone<br /> [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: You too, Michael.<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Unless anyone has a last minute item I'll wrap up todays meeting.<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: I see no one typing so I will say my usual closing remarks. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-08-23T19:19:57Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-16 2022-08-16T19:38:28Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [10:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [10:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Let's see this week we had more of Ubit beating things into submission hehe<br /> [11:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Is much left on that?<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [11:00] Ubit Umarov: that was a minor thing<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: changes of the type &quot;useless changes&quot; uff<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: looking to code, clear time saved<br /> [11:01] Ubit Umarov: in use.. bahh<br /> [11:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not entirely useless if they make things easier to read<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: there was there a O(n^2) now a O(nlogn)<br /> <br /> The meeting was moved to Hurliman Plaza due to a problem with the region or its host machine.<br /> <br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That was the OpenSim experience brought to you by the year 2010<br /> [11:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: lol<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Brings back memories<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: well even yesterday dan told he is considering not renew the rental of that box<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: but today, dev meeting, lbsa etc where on it<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: they say they have a bad router<br /> [11:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Used to happen a lot back in the days that I could still reach my toes<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: and keep doing that for like 2 months<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Who is providing that box you know?<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: forgot :)<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: let me go start lbsa on another<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have not found a single provider in north america that was decent, most of them seem to be run by some dudes out of some basement or so it feels at least<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: I've used servers in NAm run by OVH and didn't have a problem with them.<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah they are like the only one worth anything in that price bracket<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: this is a cheaper isp<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For a place also home to silicon valley you'd think there would be more decent options<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most are way more expensive and you get barely any hardware in configurations usable for OpenSim type load<br /> [11:15] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: can't log in as myself. I'm here as my Aviworlds avatar<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Jagga.<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: nothing like a tp to change gender :p<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: yeack :p<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Rofl<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: remember in 2007 at sl we seen as male, and everyone else seen as female with beard?<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: so irritating :)<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Those were the days<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Feels like yesterday<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: wel possible it is back again<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: yeah it is back again<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I had a region eat my hair last week cause it was running on some ancient release of 7.x, that was fun to restore<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: well i have to move outreach to other box<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: uff<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: We might as well stay here to save time.<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: yeha lets go on<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I seriously considered implementing something to block hypergrid on major version difference to prevent the ticket flood from broken inventory<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: the usuals are here :)<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: I've sent IMs to Selby and Kayaker.<br /> [11:20] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I am here<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: well box is unreachable again<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Welcome, Selby.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: and there is kayaker<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:21] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Before the forced changed in venue we had started discussing the recent changes to the code. Mostly changes affecting ubODE.<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: ofc the the machine was fine.. had to lose comms when i was telling very important things<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: that now i forgot<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well I am wondering if you have a lot more still to be committed or if I should pull the changes and start testing<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, you were talking about changes to make clearer and to save time. You mentioned a change from O(n^2) to O(nlogn).<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: last week code changes again of the class &quot;useless changes&quot;<br /> [11:23] Kayaker Magic: That sounds like somethint llCastRay needs!<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: ie try to save a few ns here and there<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: this time on avatar/avatar collisions<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: no i do the broadband phase in managed code<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: ie the AABB boxes checks<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: as i say the algo that was there before was even a O(n * n)<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: now it is a O(n * log n)<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: also has less unmanaged/managed code crossings that are a bit heavy<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: ofc code that here now we are not using at all, bc sitting avatars do not get it LOL<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: if oyu look, physics time per frame is 2us here :)<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Said as if collisions and physics are slow these days. I was testing object crossing and have hurled thousands of prims across region borders without much trouble. I guess at those scales it might even become measurable heh<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: sitting avatars have no physics, so physics here does nothing :)<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: what is the relation btw collisions and crossings??<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: duhh :p<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well they do collide with each other before they and while the cross apparently, prim spheres flying everywhere hehe<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: so as i said, this changes i made are only on avatar to avatar collisions,<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: if on physics, so, standing avatars<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: prims are like before..<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: did got a few changes in recent weeks<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: on the dll code changes<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: this last are diferent, because instead of changing code on the dll, i moved it to managed code<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: since with some care JIT does good code<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: but one change that was ok on win, made mono more tha 20x slower<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: duhhh<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: a situation that used 10us on physics went to close to 300<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: insane<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: ouch<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not the first time JIT is being stupid<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: the code change to fix it was commit<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: 2ba53faa5c688c9378e21b108da97e8583089890<br /> <br /> * ubode: try ot make mono happy again<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: I remember seeing that commit message.<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Has a tendency to blow up massively whenever it does fail<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ubit put some aot scripts in there a while back even for those that want to bypass jit entirely for whatever reason<br /> [11:34] Ubit Umarov: yeha rays to avatars maybe the next thing i move to manage only<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: not the avatars are simpler<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: because the way viewers work, they are always vertical<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: evne when we fly and see horizontla, physics is still a veritcla capsule<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: so the colliders for avatar do not need to rotate them<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: saving some cpu also<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That's good to hear<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: ofc for now they all do rotate..<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: but on the ray code i may add, that rotation will be out<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Over the last few years the memory usage has massively reduced, but cpu load still remains a large factor so every bit helps<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: well cpu load is also operation costs of a grid<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: does matter<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: contrary to what coders told in 2010's<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: specially teachers<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: many did write that a 10% performance improvement is useless<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: OpenSim's resource profile is quite dissimilar to most others so finding machinery geared towards that can be difficult and costly yeah<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: High CPU load says you may be doing something the wrong way.<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: fun how we all so unhappy with 10% inflaction<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Stands to reason less memory means less for the cpu to shift around too so it has improved through that as well<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: whatever .. other 10&amp; thing :)<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: but fun... then google started to worry abotu performance<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: telling how xml is a total crap..<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is some form of cpu leak, if that can even be a thing, that I was looking at a few months ago, over the course of a day the average cpu load on that region went up by 3% like clockwork<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: and then all start telling how performance matters<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: isn't ppl so ... well whatever<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: xml in some cases in OpenSim is 90% structur<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: wlel physics engine is a area where performance always matters<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: ll still did not got that menu<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Landtool for example, just a single success keyword and tons of useless structure around it<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: well the new materials will use JSON<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Vincent.<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: as if that is a great improvement :)<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: ms also now changed to json<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: on the .net things<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'm somewhat inclined to call for changing notecard storage while making the changes for that so empty notecards stop taking up new assets each time, but of course that would be quite difficult to get compatible<br /> [11:44] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: can you make empty notecard a pointer to one asset?<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: An empty notecard has a timestamp in the description, which is part of the data, so a new asset is made<br /> [11:45] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: ah<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Ideally we'd save that part in the asset table rather than the physical data on disk in case of fsassets so it could indeed just point to a single asset<br /> [11:45] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: you should also look at default box<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: well is more silly than that<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But doing that change would break compatibility<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: to make a not card we need to create a new one<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: that creates a new asset with empty data<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: when we do edit and add something, ofc a new asset is done<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: we can't change that.. it is how viwers want it<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I cleaned over 30 million notecards out of assets from some script that was creating them<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: ( similar happens with landmarks etc )<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: that is viewer bad design<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: People seem to forget you can save data on prim description as well instead of using notecards<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: well we can' consider that a option LOL<br /> [11:48] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: and you can read/write prim description programmaticaly<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ofc new scritps on inventory do the same<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: also on prims<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: but on prims those assets stay region only longer<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: well not scripts<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah but most are not as crazy as me and write a osMakeScript function, so most problematic is still just osMakeNotecard thankfully<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I been thinking about adding some stream handler or something to ask a region to find assets and if they cannot find it, it doesn't exist on inventory either, then it is virtually orphaned and can be deleted<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Cleaning routines like that could work, but are complex to implement and slow, plus all the overhead from doing that all the time on region comms<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most are just very unaware of these things and never clean their databases or assets and then wonder why they balloon to massive proportions<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Running grids is fun...<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But fixing, if even possible, notecards is something for whenever we break hg protocol or something<br /> [11:58] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: have there been any major changes to llParticleSystem since SL last updated the Wiki? I'm building a tutorial.<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: no idea<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: sl does update their wiki<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Should be operating to spec when I last checked that about a year ago<br /> [11:59] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: last week the topic of documentation was brought up. I LOVE writing documentation. What needs doing?<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: cna compare with the old one<br /> [11:59] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: ok<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is a list on the opensim wiki about what functions are implement and not, that needs checking and changes according to what's currently working<br /> [12:00] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: ok<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Might also provide a good way to see if there are changes to that we need to make or things not working right<br /> [12:01] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: yup<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the top of the hour. As we had a late start due to the region problem I'll keep this meeting going a bit longer.<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, you have a couple of questions.<br /> [12:02] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: that was them<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Speaking of particle system that reminds me I was trying to create a way to spawn particles in a radius and have them move towards a target prim without changing their course<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, I have noticed in the past some issues with the behaviour of particles. Some effects don't show up the same way as in the past. Not sure if that has anything to do with grid code or whether it is more of a viewer issue.<br /> [12:05] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: I'm noticing some inconsistenciees<br /> [12:05] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: hence my question<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: regions only store things<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: many times don't even look to what they are<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well particles are mostly viewer side so yeah even making changes to force them along the vector of origin to target they still move, cause that's viewer rendering<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: in particles guess it does so lsl can work<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: but viewer rendering did change a lot<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: specially recently<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: like ALM is mandatory now<br /> [12:07] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: We used to be able to make particle TVs to play media on, think that's gone now too iirc<br /> [12:07] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: i'll check<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: last viewers have also a performance improvment effort<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: like 2x the fps improvemnt<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: heh yeah five years too late, but still at least it is finally happening<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: that ofc may mean some things will look diferent<br /> [12:08] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: yup<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: nad a lot more changes with PBR<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: but have no viewer with those still<br /> [12:09] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably the best part of it all given how &quot;flat&quot; the world looks, now we only need materials on terrain textures and some higher resolutions<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: fs beta does have some of the performance changes<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: well the materials a a great need mess in the workings<br /> [12:10] Ubit Umarov: each is a new full asset<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: 4 more textures per face..<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: fun fun<br /> [12:11] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That getting a rework might finally mean they stop randomly disappearing though, which I still cannot track down the cause of<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: no idea why but a prim can have like 14 materials<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: guess for avatars<br /> [12:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Gonna need that detail when you stare at your avatars behind all day<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: wlel all sçl users where crying for those<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: most have now idea what a materials is, but since all games now have PBR option, SL must have also<br /> [12:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Buzzwords are a hell of a drug<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: well lets see what code if any does show up viewers for opensim<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: .. up on...<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: oh hi neovo<br /> [12:16] Neovo Geesink: Hello Ubit, and everyone :-)<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: osgrid is having a meeting here?<br /> [12:16] Neovo Geesink: No, I just wandered in beceause I saw quite a few Avatars here. :-)<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: ok<br /> [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: np. :)<br /> [12:17] Neovo Geesink: :-)<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: this is our meeting backup region<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: plaza14 box is out again<br /> [12:17] Neovo Geesink: Ah, Thats why. Dev Outreach is downb?<br /> [12:17] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: is this working towards NFT's?<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: so was lbsa :p<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: i moved it<br /> [12:17] Neovo Geesink: Oopsie....Lbsa is allso acting up again.<br /> [12:17] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: (PBR)<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: well it was at plaza14 machine also..<br /> [12:18] Neovo Geesink: :-)<br /> [12:18] Neovo Geesink: Then Sandbox Plaza III and Event Plaza are allso affected.<br /> [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Someone should define PBR as I'm sure it doesn't mean Pabst Blue Ribbon in relation to OpenSim. :)<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: possible on it laso<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: i only moved lbsa<br /> [12:19] Neovo Geesink: :-)<br /> [12:19] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: well started on other box..<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: cya Selby.Evans<br /> [12:19] Neovo Geesink: Bye Selby<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at the hour mark from when we started here. Any last minute questions/comments before we wrap up todays gathering?<br /> [12:19] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: (rewording) Is the movement towards PBR's an attempt at implementing NFT's?<br /> [12:19] Ubit Umarov: nft ?<br /> [12:20] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: non-fungible topen<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Non-fungible tokens?<br /> [12:20] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: yep<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: ewww(?)<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: guess is just a better way to represent how light and materials interact<br /> [12:20] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: oh, ok<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: previus models where kinda &quot;empirical&quot;<br /> [12:21] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: ah<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Physically based rendering is what PBR stands for, it's applying a material to a texture to create things like bricks or wooly carpets without having to create polygons<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Like bump and normal maps on steroids<br /> [12:21] Ubit Umarov: pbr os physics based rendering, tries to use physics grounds<br /> [12:21] Jagga.Meredith @login.aviworlds.com:8002: kewl<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: NFTs are... stupidity<br /> [12:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, ty. It helps others know what is being discussed who may be reading the transcript of this meeting.<br /> [12:21] Ubit Umarov: well more play with light and shadows to improve 3d feeling<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: same way as a painter in 2d paper uses shadows to make it look 3d<br /> [12:22] Neovo Geesink: Leaving now... I cannot add value since this is way above my knowledge.<br /> [12:22] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Have a great week yall<br /> [12:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: PBR is the thing everyone now uses in order to make it easier to create nice looking environments and objects by just stringing together different modifiers in something like substance painter<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, np Neovo. Nice to meet you.<br /> [12:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's commonly used in most popular game engines since the overhead is lower than actual geometry and it can be easily scaled back for lower end systems<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: thkn is that is another thing not for amatuers<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: its now a simple thing<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: like 4 of 6 textures per face..<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: hmm 4 ?<br /> [12:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Oh it is a pain in the neck to figure them out and most of the programs that can create them are paid software there only exist a handful that are free<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: if you do use that, you just flood a region<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: need to know very well how to use and when<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: for most ppl is just BETTER to use a higher res mesh than a bump map<br /> [12:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The upside is we only need to provide them, viewer does the rendering, at least we don't have to maintain that shader code<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: well that means you will need to understand what a LL material is<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: bc sure will not be as a autodesk one<br /> [12:26] Ubit Umarov: or blender..<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: ie render like..<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: sl can't make skies render the same way<br /> [12:27] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [12:28] Kayaker Magic: How are bump and specular maps stored now? Hacked into the Extra blob?<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: well opensim made that a extra material also<br /> [12:29] Ubit Umarov: but they are stored as textures extensions at sl<br /> [12:29] Kayaker Magic: Is that an LL structures? Or did the guy who wrote it for opnensim just not know how to do relational databases?<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: the new ones will be on the Extra blob<br /> [12:30] Ubit Umarov: ir the uuids<br /> [12:31] Andrew Hellershanks: On that note let's call this meeting to a close.<br /> [12:32] Andrew Hellershanks: We will meet at the usual location next week unless we have a problem with the region like we did today. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-08-16T19:36:08Z

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2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-09 2022-08-09T19:07:17Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: Quiet bunch today<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: indeed.<br /> [11:11] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: i don't fear the drivers. They are much more likely to work than FS<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: vincent has a rl thing now..<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: np.<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Only changes to the code this past week have been some changes to ubODE.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: well about opensim code changes<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: yes that :)<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: again we do not have the bins for macs or linux 32bit<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: since i can't compile on those<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: guess it is getting harder for people to run in linux32bit now<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: most distros do not support it<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: no idea why<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: me nods<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Distros have mostly moved to 64-bit<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: there is still good work silicon out that<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: there<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: working also :)<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: and some do support more rare cpus, no one really has<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: well things..<br /> [11:15] Kayaker Magic: If Gavin were here, we could ask about the status of OpenSim on Raspberry Pi in 32 or 64 bit...<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: yeha no ida<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: he did the compile of ubode several weeks ago<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: for mac 64bit<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: guess there is more intel 32 bit hardware ppl can use than raspberry pi<br /> [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: The only 32-bit compiles I do these days are for an embedded system board.<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: i do compile ubode for win32<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: and as i said many times works great<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: uses a lot less memory.. and similar performance<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: fact cpu has less registers is compensated by less work getting pointers from memory<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: well the changes to ubode where to try to save a few ns<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: nano seconds...<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: those saves are very clear in the code..<br /> [11:20] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hello, sorry im late<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: here.. well.. not really duhhh :p<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Michael.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: welcome<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: we are on the last code, and so far we are alive ;)<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: That's a good thing. :)<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: well lbsa is on it also ok<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: guess that covers all code changes of last week :(<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, it does.<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: How we come to the Q&amp;A portion of the meeting. :)<br /> [11:23] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: im getting ready to start an intern on Opensim code - got a recommendation of where would be easiest for him to start?<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: ( current managed ubode will still work with previus version of unmanaged on macs.. )<br /> [11:23] Kayaker Magic: Start him on the documentation!<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: what documentation?<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: err oops<br /> [11:24] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: rofl - i thought that was the point :P<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Exactly. That's why docs would be a good starting point.<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: not for someone starting :p<br /> [11:24] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: fair enough<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: but guess some of the doc at our site is a good start.. anyways<br /> [11:25] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: maybe start him with something small that he can work on documenting as he goes through it<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Depends on what sort of docs they would be writing.<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: even if outdated<br /> [11:25] Kayaker Magic: I'm trying to write a helper PHP script to decompose a build, list all the prim types and all their textures. As I figure things out I've been adding it to the documentation.<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: bahh to produce code documentation one needs to understand the CODE<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: jezz<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: we don't need more trash on our wiki, thanks<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: and that is very hard actually<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: guess i only understand 1% of opensim code<br /> [11:27] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ^ what ubit said - I'd be having him give it to me to send you to look over and let you post it if it's right<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, what do suggest someone do to get in to doing something related to the code if it isn't docs?<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: that includes 10% of my own code on it :p<br /> [11:28] Kayaker Magic: The Wiki says writing new OSSL function is a good place to start.<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: wel what are is goals?<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: his..<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: produce opensim code? documentation.. what?<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: How many more OSSL functions do we need?<br /> [11:29] Kayaker Magic: Well, we don't need more OSSL functions, but as an exercise for the student, it is a small project they can write and test to completion.<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: what skills are him supposed to improve using opensim ?<br /> [11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Perhaps a region module?<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: (are him?? whatever :))<br /> [11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, how long is the intern expected to be working on the project?<br /> [11:33] Jagga Meredith whispers: jnuhhyyyyyyyyyyyy<br /> [11:33] Jagga Meredith whispers: 10<br /> [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, for a moment I thought a cat walked across your keyboard<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: mine almost did<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: :) I'm not sure where mine is so I'm safe at the present time.<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: hmm michaelOmega is sitting so not killed by ubode.. i hope :P<br /> [11:36] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: I'm putting him on it long term, going to eventually be working on (ideally) making opensim and browsers all intercompatible - horrible description but the quickest way i can think to say it<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: ie a web client<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:36] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: a simple goal, ofc :p<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe... sort of what I was thinking.<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: well seen 2 new viewers under devel in last weeks<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: one in Rust<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: othe using a &quot;game engine&quot;<br /> [11:38] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: maybe it would start with a function to check which browser is being used, then a lot of testing to figure out what differences in browsers need to be accomodated<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: you call the viewer browser?<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: well viewers to tell regions their name version etc<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: do..<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: not much regions can do to guess, otherwise<br /> [11:39] Kayaker Magic: Just writing a dumb WEB page to work on all Browsers is a challenge these days.<br /> [11:39] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes - want to make opensim accessible by both viewers and web browsers<br /> [11:40] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i still insist the future of the web is in 3d, so &quot;web browsers&quot; have to upgrade to be able to see the 3d sites<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: 11:19:49 - [SCENE]: Region Dev Outreach told of incoming root agent MichaelOmega Christopher<br /> Geode 809d9333-6db3-45be-ba50-66f1d41e57ee (circuit code 2086786948, IP 206.214.122.150, vie<br /> wer Singularity Release 64 1.8.9.8338, teleportflags (ViaLogin), position &lt;352.881, 411.425,<br /> 24.6547&gt;.<br /> [11:40] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: so &quot;basic&quot; sites would be a single region, maybe even as small as a single parcel/room<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: ~viewer told its data to the login server<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: err singu is OLD<br /> [11:42] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yea, so much going on in so many directions i often forget to update till the app tells me there is one waiting - and even then it often goes on the endless to-do list :/<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: yeha been there for a few years already :)<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: guess that was also the last working singu<br /> [11:43] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i thought there was already a function to read where a connection came from, which menas next step is him testing each and trying to document the differences in handling between existing viewers<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: I have Singularity Beta 1.8.9 (8382) on my machine.<br /> [11:44] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: *what viewer they are coming in from*<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: well as i said, they do tell ( some lie) at login<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: it is part of the login protocol<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: even a kind of mac address :)<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: yup<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: that can also be something derived from the harddisk serial number etc<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: nd that some viewers also lie about,. ofc<br /> [11:46] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i already know it's a big project, but we want to expand what Diva did to provide a basic flat view page that can interact with the world more than account control/inventory<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: a simplified UI ?<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: like scenegate viewer ?<br /> [11:47] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yes<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: ok<br /> [11:47] Kayaker Magic: I wish Lumiya still worked... that was a useful limited viewer<br /> [11:47] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: did i miss one? Someone else got ahead of me lol?<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, if the intern writes down information as they learn about OS the notes can form the basis of (updated) documentation down the road.<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: miss what?<br /> [11:47] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i know, and i have hgad no luck getting the lumiya developer to reply<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: some told he died<br /> [11:48] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: scenegate - is it a simplified web UI?<br /> [11:48] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ouch - that might be why no response :/<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: hides most things<br /> [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Who was working on lumiya?<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: a russian??<br /> [11:49] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: http://downloads.infinitemetaverse.org/index.php/downloads/viewers/scenegate-viewer-windows<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: one of the goals of scenegat is also a simplified UI<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: but does have all, just hidden<br /> [11:50] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: alina i think<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: it is based on alchemy viewer<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: well someone told me he/se did died<br /> [11:50] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ty for link selby<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: ofc can't confirm<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: i still does work here no?<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: guess not at sl... ?<br /> [11:51] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: maybe i need to force that time into my schedule to figure out how we can get control of that code to resume updating it<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: think that was close source<br /> [11:52] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: yea<br /> [11:52] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I am using scenegate<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: and on mobile phones universe<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, it is a very big project when you will be dealing with both the OpenSim side of things and also the viewer.<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: possilbe that java derivative :)<br /> [11:53] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: very big is an understatement :))<br /> [11:53] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: so easy to get lost in where to go next<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: well lymina had no 3d :p<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: i think..<br /> [11:53] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: it did at once point, just - movement was.....odd<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: ok<br /> [11:54] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: for last yuears conference i had to get teleports because i could see but not move<br /> [11:54] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: 1) To reduce cognitive overload caused by too many menu items and buttons on a new user's screen, a simplified mode was developed and made the default mode. In this mode, a limited number of user menu options are available which also reduces onboarding time.<br /> <br /> 2) Toolbar button defaults presented to new users are also limited to only those needed to learn to use virtual worlds. This effectively applies a bulldozer to the steep learning curve further reducing onboarding time.<br /> <br /> 3) When new users are ready to learn more, they do not need to download and learn how to use another viewer user interface. Extended mode is available in preferences with a few clicks. In this mode, the user is presented with more user interface menu items and toolbar buttons. Their user experience is &quot;extended&quot; rather than changed.<br /> [11:54] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: at least after the tornado hit and I had to do the rest of the conference from mobiles only<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: hope bill did not placed this region in tornados path :p<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at five minutes before the top of the hour. Does anyone have a(nother) question/comment for today?<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: guess its more tsunamis path<br /> [11:57] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: :/ hope you stay safe too<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: No other questions/comments for today? If not we will be able to finish on time.<br /> [11:59] Kayaker Magic: AMAZING!<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: It does happen now and then. :)<br /> [12:00] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: wow lol - I guess everyone have a great week and talok to you all soon!<br /> [12:00] Kayaker Magic: Buy all!<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: evacute solar system :)<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, your intern may want to drop in on these meetings. They should also get on to the IRC channel and dev mailing list.<br /> [12:00] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:00] Kayaker Magic hates IRC<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I can't afford to buy all. ;)<br /> [12:00] Kayaker Magic: hehe<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll make it official. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-08-09T19:06:44Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-08-02 2022-08-02T19:13:20Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.<br /> [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.<br /> [11:01] Kayaker Magic: That quote about 15% of our brain, based on 0% science.<br /> [11:02] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hii everyone<br /> [11:02] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: 15% that much?<br /> [11:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Don't think we had any changes this week apart from stuff done to libraries used by OpenSim. Continue to track problems to determine causes and the heatwave making everyone sleepy<br /> [11:02] Kayaker Magic: Well, perhaps based on observing a lot of people....<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: yeha i did play a bit with ubode native code<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: finaly made the code compiled on a older gcc work again<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: he started getting confused with some legal code.......... things<br /> [11:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did have some fun discussion with the guys responsible for Mono on their discord, basically confirming what we already knew that they don't really care to continue work on Mono. Thankfully being open source the community that actually cares can continue work though, so no reason for alarm.<br /> [11:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Microsoft: Buy, gut, kill as usual<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: wel kinda expected, they are the ones pushing for .net7 also<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: no idea what happened to old mono guys<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I had very little respect for Microsoft and its employees, but it's hit new lows<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: guess ogt nice $ from it and not retired?<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: no idea<br /> [11:06] Kayaker Magic: I heard they all got hired by MicroSquishy<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: yeack typos<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Probably, right after putting MS on the resume to get that sweet consulting money<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: &quot;guess got nice $ from it and now retired?&quot;<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: but well mono still works<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The apt repo they maintain is quite a bigger mess than I thought seeing as it doesn't clean up after itself, so all deprecated code is left around on machines requiring to either reinstall or manually clean old stuff out, because if you don't it does its best to still load it<br /> [11:09] Kayaker Magic: That NGC fork of OpenSim, they got it to compile and run on .net on MicroSquishy servers, but not on .net on linux servers<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: no they did not<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: it is .net4.8<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Getting it compiled and it running properly are worlds apart. I got it compiled on ReactOS a while back, but oh boy did it blow up at runtime<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: no idea what they changed from our code, other than name<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: and they have several projects<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: one is really move to dotnet<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Maintaining a fork over just patches or modules usually goes nowhere, the workload is a lot higher than most anticipate<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Michael<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Back merging with core takes way too much effort I find<br /> [11:13] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: hello<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Putting things on top a lot easier<br /> [11:13] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: gave up and created on OSgrid avatar to get here, still cant figure out how to make it over from ossc grid :)<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Plus you have the module structures for anything you want to add that doesn't need deep changes<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Those can even overwrite a lot of built-in modules, not all though<br /> [11:14] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: and hi vincent and andrew, been too long lol<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Michael, glad you got here.<br /> [11:15] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ty<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Development of any kind is a good thing though, better than stagnation, at the very least creates a dialog... of some sort...<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Having done from scratch development on Mono though I don't see what supposedly is bad about it. It's actually quite easy to get an application off the ground and working cross platform. You can compile with msbuild and it will run on Mono or .net or you just mkbundle Mono into it and it becomes fully portable without any dependencies.<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Good to know there are people out there that still care about Mono and are willing to continue working on it.<br /> [11:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Things done with it work, with .net to Mono you never really know, but Mono to .net tends to just work, which makes things a joy to write<br /> [11:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Less headache over whether stuff is going to blow up at runtime, even things like filesystem are surprisingly easy to deal with<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: well only a limited set of .net &quot;universe&quot; does run on mono<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: and a lt was only fixed when ms did get in, in version 6<br /> [11:22] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: Hi Ubit, somehow didnt see you lol<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: ofc ms did that so to use it as core of dotnet for linux<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: names like monoCLR there<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: named<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Buying Mono, gutting it for the good stuff, then just leaving it to die in the dust, MS being MS<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: well they also stopped .net4.8<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The Electronic Arts of enterprise software<br /> [11:24] Misterblue Waves: I think the main things keeping OS from converting to dotnet are the dependent libraries (libomv, ...)<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: and that is a lot of opensim :p<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: and lost xengine, etc<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Just like we have occasionally (jokingly) talked about rewriting OS in something other than C#.<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: not clear if Yengine will work also<br /> [11:26] Misterblue Waves: it's a gigantic job, but then, if we'd started it 10 years ago when we first talked about it, it would be more than done now :)<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: everything that is outside of what ms team considers a normal app... whatever that is, is in troubler<br /> [11:26] Misterblue Waves: what might yengine be using that isn't in dotnet<br /> [11:26] Misterblue Waves: ?<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: dynamic code<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: is not &quot;normal application use&quot;<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: on a blog one of those did check the use of image code on normal apps, and found it was not used, except on a few thigns to gen QR codes..&quot;<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You'd have to effectively create some sort of virtualization to &quot;run&quot; things in and at that point you are back to a runtime, which is what Mono is so re-inventing the wheel<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: so.. image is not part of normal applications dor them, so not suported<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Overgeneralization of the century there lol<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: well t be honest the major issue they have with it is libgdi++<br /> [11:29] Ubit Umarov: the mono hack to replace real windows gdi<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: C# is quite commonly used for dynamic code actually. I recall writing some C# plugins for some games that dynamically loaded as soon as you saved your code, which makes development really easy<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: that does depend on a lot of other linux lins like pango<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some game engines are built with that in them as well<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: in fact there is at least a incompatibility on how alpha is handled by pango<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: i had a small fight with that on dyn textures<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: and as you remember linux was doing alpha the opositite of windows<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: wlel od something like that :)<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: so yeah libgdi++ always had issues<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If that code was easy to modify or change we'd have dynamic textures on existing textures already, blending them together, but oh boy that code is spaghetti<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: so they jsut refuse to try to mantain it<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: One of those things you gotta write in one go while high on energy drinks and coffee<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: and so no Imagor code for linux<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: meanwhile they added it back, windows only<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: so 99% of computer are happy :p<br /> [11:33] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: rofl@energy drinks and coffee - the coffee part is too weak, it just slows you back down ;)<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Dynamic textures ideally like bakes should be done on the viewer, just receiving the calls. Viewer usually has GPU... you know.. a graphics processing unit... but that's asking the clouds from sky<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: i also found a few diferences on dotnet APIs<br /> [11:35] Misterblue Waves: I'd still like to find the time to make a libomv-lite that could be made dotnet. There is a lot in that library OS doesn't use<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: suposed to be same as .net... but not really<br /> [11:35] Ubit Umarov: remember .net core 1 was made clear as a big breaking change<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: as a brave new thing<br /> [11:36] Misterblue Waves: then to start re-working OS to just dotnet-6 it<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: guess it took ms management to step in and force them<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: so in Core 3 then made a major efford to recover some compatibilty<br /> [11:37] Misterblue Waves noticing that &quot;dotnet-6&quot; is too close to &quot;deep 6&quot;ing it ;-)<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: such was that they where forced to rename it .Net5<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks grins at Misterblue<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: telling it was just a name change lol<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Never mind that I am not convinced that even MS knows where they want to go... where is the oh so great .NET Enterprise that supposedly was a thing they were building... yeah gotta wait for them to make up their mind of crash the cart into the wall first before committing something as large as OpenSim to a course<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: nahh it was to try to clear the image that Core was a major breaking change<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: if you read Core early docs, it as just a brave new thing.. now a upgrade to .net<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: but alot stayed out<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: and a lot looks the same, but it is not..<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: ofc not impossible to convert<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: like several more months of unpaid work for no good reason...<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: with hard debug<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: see?<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I wonder who thought about that in the first place. Think it's fairly clear these days that most rather keep legacy stuff around than spend the time to re-develop unless there is a clear benefit that can be quantified into cash<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: and it can't be a partial change<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Banks still running on systems from the 70's<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: it will take a lot of code fix, bc anything starts tiking again<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even SAP still has tons of code written before I was born<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: bc == before<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: olf code is good<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: CERN stayed in fortran bc of that<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: they had tons and tons of just the best math code made<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Re-inventing the wheel just for the sake of say being able to spell wheel with one less e isn't really a good use of time and resources<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: losing all that just bc useless languages changes??<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: ppl real good programmers are a rare thing..<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: most code is pure trash..that kinda does things..<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: you do not send to trash code made by real good coders..<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Quantifiable difference is key, just upgrading to newer standards when it ends up doing the same things in the same time is wasted energy<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: specialy on not trivial math code with error handling etc<br /> [11:44] Kayaker Magic: I have a saying: &quot;A bad programmer can write FORTRAN in any language&quot;<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: btw fortran bc it was really the best to produce optimized code<br /> [11:45] Misterblue Waves: the part of OS that scares me is all that modular plumbing mel and diva put in for all the versions of hg/robust/etc... that is a tangle of interlinked, dynamic loading dlls with just enough exceptions for &quot;performance&quot;<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: its rigid structure allowed for compilers to make less &quot;mistakes&quot;<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: yeah those modules.. well<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I was looking at monitoring stuff, something to show load average and memory, kept getting results for all manners of projects most using graphana which is a pain in the neck to get working right natively. rrdtool and collectd are ancient by todays standards, but work just fine to show the data and are lightweight.<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: we still have that need for postPostPostInit?<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Look at Gitlab, started as replacement for bloat and slow bitbucket and github and now itself is borderline bloatware that is becoming slow and annoying to deal with<br /> [11:46] Misterblue Waves: OS has more than one stats systems LOL<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: well remmeber os was made as a framework<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did extend jsonsimstats a bit actually so the others are almost pointless now<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: in fact should not even run<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: we have that stated on some docs..<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: only a few crazy devs decided opensim should try to do something :p<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: ( wel the author of those docs also did )<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Still a lot easier to fiddle with than some other code doing far less<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: on modules the most irritating situation for me now is grid login<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: there is none<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I like to be able to see stats without having to mentally parse json code.<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well the data from json things is not really useful for anything statistics related as it isn't reliable still<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Scripts count keeps jumping to weird numbers<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: a region is only checked if allowed when it is all loaded even map uploaded<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Still haven't found what's fubar with that<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: and we can't do it that earlier<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: because the region does not have any comms modules loaded until that stage mosttly<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: bc cooms modules are like all the others<br /> [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: why is jsonsimstats not gettings its data from the sample place(s) as used by webstats?<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think it mostly does, script count is internally broken somewhere, cause sim status in lsl get the same wrong numbers<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: like MB told we have several stats engines<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I haven't started digging too deep cause it's not a critical thing, just a stat<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: come on.. opensim has no fingers,.. how can it count scripts?<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Avatar count also reads NPCs still and I am not quite sure why<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I recall the fix for that, but might not have been enough or missing a flag<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If the day had 48 hours I might get around to it<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: That makes the point of NPC count should be available as a separate stat. Sounds like a flag isn't being checked somewhere in avatar counting.<br /> [11:54] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ^ that right there. there just arent enough hours in the day<br /> [11:54] Misterblue Waves: jsonsimstats was built so one could have a scripted web page to display the stats (JS that reads the JSON and builds tables for display)<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: thnkg is that some devs did consider we should see no dif btw npcs and avatars<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Andrew that actually is in there now, but something is still not quite working as intended<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: so not we need go trace all spots where there should be a diference<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did change this what almost two years ago now I think<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: remember NPCs where added for same reason as bots in SL<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: to pretend that regions had people<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It checks for obvious NPCs, but I suspect if they are marked to be treated as avatars it still counts them, something like that<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: well that are counted diferently in most places now<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: ( bc a dev arrived that hates NPCs as human replacements :P )<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:57] Misterblue Waves: on a different subject... does anyone remember someone building an S3 based asset storage system?<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: s3 ?<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: To do what? Introduce more layers of failure to it?<br /> [11:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: i know someone talked about an S3 system at one point - dont know if it got built by anyone else<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: The stats code shouldn't have to work out how to count avatars/NPCs as here should be a core callable function that would return the correction information (possibly requiring a flag to say whether to include NPCs or not).<br /> [11:58] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Must go -- Bte all<br /> [11:58] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye selby!<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: cya<br /> [11:59] Misterblue Waves: bye selby<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: amazon s3 ?<br /> [11:59] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: ubit - yea<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Andrew that's the easier to fix part I imagine, given we do track that properly, but I think the stat code just grabs the wrong data or something like that. Bigger problem is active scripts which can be all over the place, even negative for some reason<br /> [11:59] Misterblue Waves: some s3 interfaced DB -- there are a lot of S3 storage servioces that are WAY cheaper than Amazon<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: like what sl uses?<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: mb kitely is using something like that also<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: fun SL now is as secure as MOSES told opensim was not<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: LOL<br /> [12:01] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: lol<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: moving to systems like that turns all assets public and unprotected<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: at least real implementations in use<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: ofc in our case also kills local assets like dyn textures<br /> [12:02] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: because encryption takes too much time/reseources to use something actually secure?<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: no.. anyone can get them even without any login<br /> [12:02] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Have a great week yall<br /> [12:03] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: you too jamie<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: You too, Jamie.<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: We are a little past the top of the hour. Any final questions/comments for today?<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: see the old MOSES thing about osgrid security.. it now means SL also :P<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: they did kept a few things on LLUDP so kinda still safe<br /> [12:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Security by obscurity that well not entirely<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: that is the only one that actually works<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: LOL<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: but nothing about obscurity<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: is access control.. or lack of any<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: If there are no other questions/comments for today I will call this gathering to a close. My cat will be happy about that. She is looking for attention from me. :)<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [12:07] Kayaker Magic: Buy all!<br /> [12:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: I think I'm good - lots of thoughts/projects but nothing ready to share yet<br /> [12:07] MichaelOmega ChristopherGeode: bye everyone!<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-08-02T19:13:02Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-07-26 2022-07-26T19:09:58Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:01] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everybody<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:02] Kayaker Magic: I'm not all that happy with Ubuntu: The sound drivers are terrible, plug-and-pray keeps changing my choices of sound device choices, setting up icons on the screen is a pain.<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Sound drivers have been a problem ever since Pulse Audio came along.<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: no idea i have no machine to really try a linux<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: some 2 yrs ago i had debian 10 on a machine, and was working fine<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: then the machine died<br /> [11:03] Ubit Umarov: bahh<br /> [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Oh and on Ubuntu there is some UI thing called Snap that half the programs use, it creates a new logical device for every application, filling up my real device list.<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I dropped Ubuntu when they added Unity for their desktop.<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not many changes to OpenSim lately. Minor stuff in libomv as we are fishing for whatever might be wrong with the whole TryParse crashing deal. Of course testing on latest mono none of the previously crashing regions have done so yet so I am back to square one on that. Will probably just go back to latest and see what happens, must be something other than just scripts causing that, perhaps people.<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Unity? Hm... that might not be the right name.<br /> [11:05] Kayaker Magic: I have an OpenSim question: I got a request to run OpenSim 0.8.2 on one region. Got it from the archives, it crashes and won't run. Probably some mono issue. Anyone have a suggestion what I can try?<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: What does it crash on?<br /> [11:06] Kayaker Magic: Hold on, looking that up<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: If you are using 0.8.2 on one region what version of OS are the other regions running?<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: I'm running a fairly recent master Yeti on the rest, all connected up to OSGrid.<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: Here's the error:<br /> [11:08] Kayaker Magic: 2022-07-23 06:18:59,121 ERROR (Heartbeat-(Esses_Workshop)) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Failed on region Esses Workshop with exception Object reference not set to an instance of an object at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.SceneGraph.UpdatePreparePhysics () [0x00006] in &lt;35ba7167b3194ad9abe7c1bc9afcecb6&gt;:0<br /> at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.Update (System.Int32 frames) [0x00140] in &lt;35ba7167b3194ad9abe7c1bc9afcecb6&gt;:0<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:59,124 ERROR (Heartbeat-(Esses_Workshop)) - OpenSim.Application [APPLICATION]: ^M<br /> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs^M<br /> ^M<br /> [11:09] Kayaker Magic: Running XEngine, ubODE<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't think that error message is very helpful.<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, Which version of mono are you using?<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: But that's what I think of all error messages from opensim! None of them are very helpful!<br /> [11:10] Kayaker Magic: I'm running mono 6.12<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: well, some of them are more helpful than others.<br /> [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: How far does it get in the region startup process before that error pops up?<br /> [11:11] Kayaker Magic: It looks like it is about to start, says &quot;Started tracking thread Heartbeat<br /> [11:12] Kayaker Magic: The region is brand new, no prims, no scripts, pimple island terrain.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: what is 0.8.2?<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Is that all there is? Can you pastebin the remaining parts and maybe a few lines before that. Have you tried another combination of scripts and physics?<br /> [11:13] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The releases are tagged in git so you can also compile from source under newer mono to see if that helps<br /> [11:13] Kayaker Magic: Here are a few lines (all lookiing good) before the crash:<br /> [11:13] Kayaker Magic: 2022-07-23 06:18:58,795 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySQLSimulationData [REGION DB]: Loaded 0 objects using 0 prims<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:58,801 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Data.MySQL.MySQLSimulationData [REGION DB]: Loaded inventory from 0 objects<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:58,802 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Loaded 0 objects from the datastore<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:58,803 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Region.CoreModules.Framework.UserManagement.UserManagementModule [USER MANAGEMENT MODULE]: Caching creators' data from Esses Workshop (0 objects)...<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:58,806 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Loading land objects from storage<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:58,932 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Services.GridService.GridService [GRID SERVICE]: Region Esses Workshop (9b145e2a-5c81-4803-ab84-381904b61f69, 256x256) registered at 2294,9495 with flags RegionOnline<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:59,114 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Initializing script instances in Esses Workshop<br /> 2022-07-23<br /> [11:13] Kayaker Magic: 06:18:59,114 INFO (1) - OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene [SCENE]: Initialized 0 script instances in Esses Workshop<br /> 2022-07-23 06:18:59,115 DEBUG (1) - OpenSim.Framework.Monitoring.Watchdog [WATCHDOG]: Started tracking thread Heartbeat-(Esses_Workshop), ID 42<br /> [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: If you had asked me last week I would have still had a copy of 0.8.2 on my machine to try as I have mono 6.12 installed.<br /> [11:14] Kayaker Magic: No, I have not tried YEngine and other combinations....<br /> [11:14] Kayaker Magic: Was there a YEngine back then?<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: No YEngine in 0.8.2<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: no<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well it crashes on physics so trying Bullet would be a start<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Beyond that I think that version was still compiled on mono 2.10 so that's a big jump<br /> [11:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: When in doubt compile from source<br /> [11:16] Kayaker Magic: I tried compiling from source, got 21 warnings, then ran that copy, same error<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Heartbeat fail should not cause application termination unless there is something else wrong<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: You have double checked the configuration of the region to make sure it isn't a typo in an ini file?<br /> [11:18] Kayaker Magic: If I switch to Yeti master, it comes up fine with an almost identical INI file.<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Compile in debug so it gives you line numbers and then start directly so you can fetch the full Stacktrace to see where it goes wrong, the log errors are not always descriptive enough<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: It is the &quot;Object reference not set to an instance of an object&quot; error that is of concern.<br /> [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: One thing that came to mind is a possible error in a database configuration string.<br /> [11:21] Kayaker Magic: There is a stack trace in the log after that error, should I dump in here?<br /> [11:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The part under managed stacktrace that points to the code directly, skip the memory dump<br /> [11:23] Kayaker Magic: I mean more stuff in the log after that error message, here I will paste it:<br /> [11:23] Kayaker Magic: 2022-07-23 06:18:59,124 ERROR (Heartbeat-(Esses_Workshop)) - OpenSim.Application [APPLICATION]: ^M<br /> APPLICATION EXCEPTION DETECTED: System.UnhandledExceptionEventArgs^M<br /> ^M<br /> Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object<br /> at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.get_TimeDilation () [0x0000b] in &lt;35ba7167b3194ad9abe7c1bc9afcecb6&gt;:0<br /> at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.Update (System.Int32 frames) [0x0050e] in &lt;35ba7167b3194ad9abe7c1bc9afcecb6&gt;:0<br /> at OpenSim.Region.Framework.Scenes.Scene.Heartbeat () [0x0000c] in &lt;35ba7167b3194ad9abe7c1bc9afcecb6&gt;:0<br /> at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart_Context (System.Object state) [0x00014] in &lt;de882a77e7c14f8ba5d298093dde82b2&gt;:0<br /> at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal (System.Threading.ExecutionContext executionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback callback, System.Object state, System.Boolean preserveSyncCtx) [0x00071] in &lt;de882a77e7c14f8ba5d298093dde82b2&gt;:0<br /> at<br /> [11:23] Kayaker Magic: System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run (System.Threading.ExecutionContext executionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback callback, System.Object state, System.Boolean preserveSyncCtx) [0x00000] in &lt;de882a77e7c14f8ba5d298093dde82b2&gt;:0<br /> at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run (System.Threading.ExecutionContext executionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback callback, System.Object state) [0x0002b] in &lt;de882a77e7c14f8ba5d298093dde82b2&gt;:0<br /> at System.Threading.ThreadHelper.ThreadStart () [0x00008] in &lt;de882a77e7c14f8ba5d298093dde82b2&gt;:0 ^M<br /> ^M<br /> Application is terminating: True^M<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Are you building the code as a release? You need to run it compiled for debug mode to get a stack trace with tile and line numbers.<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Why does someone want to still us 0.8.2 if the rest of the regions are 0.9.x? Does the person have a script that won't run in 0.9?<br /> [11:25] Kayaker Magic: I thought the default build was debug. I just did ./runprebuild.sh and xbuild<br /> [11:26] Kayaker Magic: Person thinks that mesh uploads work different in 0.8, has not been receptive to &quot;let me teach you the correct way to upload mesh&quot;<br /> [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah, ok.<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I would not even entertain that level of stupidity, enabling that is not the way to go<br /> [11:27] Kayaker Magic: Now that I think about it, she probably remembers how Bullet builds physics models for you.<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: So then upload bad mesh and pollute everything with potentially corrupt data causing other regions to crash even, fun<br /> [11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: There have been database migrations between 0.8.2 and 0.9 which might also be an issue.<br /> [11:30] Kayaker Magic: OK, that gives me a few ideas to try: Give her 0.9 with Bullet, force her to listen to mesh upload suggestions...<br /> [11:31] Kayaker Magic: Try bringing up her 0.8 with Bullet... Enough about this today. I have other questions!<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: (at phone..)<br /> [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: That would be a better idea thatn trying to get a 0.8 region running in a grid running mostly 0.9<br /> [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other questions, Kayaker?<br /> [11:35] Kayaker Magic: I'm trying to figure out when things are written to the region assetcache. If I rez an object in a region, I don't see it in that cache. When does that happen? Only after a successful fetch from the main fsassets?<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: That sounds like a qusetion for Ubit, once he is off the phone.<br /> [11:37] Kayaker Magic: And if you rez two copies of something, each one gets its own UUID, right?<br /> [11:39] Kayaker Magic: but each object has to have asset UUIDs for all its textures, are those cached in the assetcache by their asset UUIDs?<br /> [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: yes to both.<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: uuid is the identifier of any asset<br /> [11:40] Kayaker Magic: by asset UUID I mean the UUID in fsassets, is a texture cached in assetcashe by the same UUID?<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: as i said the identifier of a asset is only its uuid<br /> [11:43] Kayaker Magic: I guess what I am asking is: If I look in the region database I see an object stored by its rezzed UUID, but is the only thing stored in the assetcache the atomic parts of it stored by the fsasset UUIDs?<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: a object does lost uuids of the textures ( materials etc) it uses<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: does list<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: a object can be stored as a asset also, ofc<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: that stacktrace is strange<br /> [11:45] Kayaker Magic: If I create a new object, say out of two cubes, is that object in the fsasset yet? WHen does it get saved the first time?<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: something very worng with that region<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: no a diference in objects is that are on the region db only ( own format )<br /> [11:46] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Prims are not assets, textures, mesh, animations, scripts, etc are assets. You cannot create an asset just rezzing a prim<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: they turn into a asset where taken to inventory<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: when..<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yup<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: just because implementation, in a region there are scene parts and scene object groups :)<br /> [11:48] Kayaker Magic: So if I rez a cube, nothing happens in fsassets or assetcache, if I put a new texture on it, the texture comes from fsassets, and is saved in assetcache.<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: that have own storage on dbs<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: yes<br /> [11:48] Kayaker Magic: OK, I think I'm getting the idea.<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: on the oposite, textures are directly uploaded into grid ( fsassets)<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That is if they are not textures from the library which each region supplies, so you'd probably have to use a texture that you uploaded yourself<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ( except dynamic ones )<br /> [11:49] Kayaker Magic: I see<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: so when we apply one to a face, viewer will ask for it<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: vuia assets service<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: via<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: on 0.9.2 via ViewerAsset cap<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: well since some 0.9 when i added that cap support .)<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: objects also have own paths to viewer<br /> [11:51] Kayaker Magic: NP, I always use 0.9.x unless dragged kicking and screaming back...<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: object viewer cache, that fun thing<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: special protocol to send &quot;objects&quot; to viewer as such..<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: well porotocols,.. object viewer cache uses other udp protocol, one could say<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah don't use old viewers you gonna have a bad time lol<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: objects inside other objects are assets ofc<br /> [11:53] Ubit Umarov: btw fs did a release<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: primitems pointing at the assets<br /> [11:54] Kayaker Magic: FINALLY!<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: not that many diferences<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: grid status button now works<br /> [11:54] Kayaker Magic: Well that Vivox fix was needed to prevent crashing when HG TPing between some grids.<br /> [11:54] Ubit Umarov: now library does use own caps<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: i had added those caps like in 2018 then removed since no viewer used them<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: alchemy asked me to put them back, so the worked on it, now also fs<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: no big dif<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: just when all viewers do it, region code can be simplified<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well slightly cleaner code too so that's good, so many areas really needing a review<br /> [11:56] Ubit Umarov: removing the hack of giving library on the normal inventory caps<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: no idea if i missed any question<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: phone had to ring jsut at start of meeting, ofc<br /> [11:58] Kayaker Magic: I got usefull replies to my two questions.<br /> [11:58] Kayaker Magic: Hogging a lot of time again! Thanks guys!<br /> [11:58] Ubit Umarov: ahh<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can hop on irc if you need help, don't have for the meeting to roll around<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: i made several (useless) changes on ubode and did commit to git<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: but currently that is kinda broken :p<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, but what would we talk about if all the questions are handled via IRC during the week? :)<br /> [11:59] Ubit Umarov: somehow the old gcc i was using generates code that fails to do raycasts<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: compiled on win and debian11 gcc, works fine<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: s oa pretty nice bug.. impossible to find<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: gcc jsut went nuts<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: duhhh<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Where is the source for that? Been meaning to ask<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: opensim-libs<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Maybe I'll get a completely different cryptic error... knowing my luck<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Wow. What and odd sort of bug.<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: wlel no error<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: just raycasts fail<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: no error ... nothing..<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: raycasts used internally to terrain collisions, kinda work till they don't :9<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: then the prim gets odd collisions<br /> [12:02] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Didn't we have a problem with that a while back as well?<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: gcc just lost some code path<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It killing cpu<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: a failed init, it used to do.. a lost reference.. no idea<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Maybe it's optimizing it away<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: on a recent gcc, same code.. no issues<br /> [12:04] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: Have a great week yall<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: but i can't compile it on very last gcc, or many will no be able to run it<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: so.. duhhh a bit stuck for now :)<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Jamie. Thanks for coming. See you again next week.<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: 2 late :)<br /> [12:05] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Selby. See you next week.<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: have fun sleby<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Revert back to working version and then go step by step, time consuming but probably simplest way<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: nad sleby<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: dannng<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: and selby<br /> [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just past the hour mark. If there aren't any last minute items for today then we can wrap up todays meeting.<br /> [12:06] Ubit Umarov: yeah i have rl waiting also<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. In that case I will call this meeting to a close. I also have a couple of things I need to get back to.<br /> [12:07] Ubit Umarov: have anice week ppl<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-07-26T19:09:27Z

<p>Kcozens: Added entry for latest meeting</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quicklinks}}<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> = Meetings =<br /> <br /> OpenSimulator has weekly meetings to discuss parts of the project<br /> <br /> == Tuesday - '''Office Hour''' ==<br /> This meeting is a general technical meeting for the opensim community. All are welcome to participate, but be forewarned that it is developer focused, so attention is mostly given to near term development goals of the project, and those that are contributing code to meet those goals.<br /> <br /> In general, we tend to follow a fairly simple agenda format for our one hour.<br /> <br /> * First, developers are encouraged to bring up any subjects they wish. Helping the developers focus our efforts is #1.<br /> * Second, testers and users are encouraged to bring up items of community interest that will help development.<br /> <br /> At this meeting, anything previously mentioned is fair for discussion for the balance of the meeting. 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<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:04] Ubit Umarov: ahh andrew's cat did remember the meeting<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm on a phone call,<br /> [11:04] Misterblue Waves: we got up to 48c last summer -- the plants didn't do well<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: Ohh ok we wil type softly<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: yeah but 48 here is rare.. like 45years rare<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: well about opensim, again not much<br /> [11:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Two changes last week, another cleanup on libomv and a fix for fsassets not properly using its folders. I rolled back mono to 122 on Friday and am now awaiting what that does to regions. So far haven't heard of further crashes, but will have to leave it for a bit to make sure. FS has a new beta out with support for the grid status rss now supported in OpenSim.<br /> [11:06] Misterblue Waves: same for us -- getting above 100F is rare<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: i did a little commit related to a fsassets flag<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: or option, actually not that good...<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: to run several instances of fsassets will just not work<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: unless you do have a network disk as storage<br /> [11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: .0<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: fs just writes things on a disk.. has no idea abotu multi instances<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: the metadata does depend on mysql doing the multi server thing, that seems not that good either<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: so, not that usefaull that option..<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: or useful<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: hmmwhat was the other? libomv?<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: hmm guess minor thing also<br /> [11:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Is the fsassets thing mostly file locking or what's the problem there?<br /> [11:11] Ubit Umarov: ah yes.. was using a generic c# exceptionto report bad string on parse<br /> [11:12] Kayaker Magic: One problem with multiple fsassets is there is small chance of two of them generating the same UUID at the same time.<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: changed to FormatException to match ehat .net guid does<br /> [11:12] Ubit Umarov: fs does not gen uuids<br /> [11:12] Kayaker Magic: OK, then multiple Robusts.<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: the thing with multiple robusts is that you do need a shared storage<br /> [11:13] Ubit Umarov: fs as no provision for any on that<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: each instance will just read and write from own disk<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: something that will not work that all, unless it is a special shared network disk<br /> [11:14] Ubit Umarov: or you are running all that on same machine, not that useful either<br /> [11:15] Ubit Umarov: on that fsassets is worse than just normal assets, that at least depend on mysql/maria only<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: fsassets multiinstances that did work, where done by spliting as per a few bits of the asset UUID<br /> [11:16] Ubit Umarov: thing we still have code for that, not sure<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: ofc does not work that well with the &quot;random&quot; guid type we are using<br /> [11:17] Ubit Umarov: not that random<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: this is why osgrid is running on own proprietary assets..<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: was using a variant of fsassets, that actually also did smoke if using more than one instance<br /> [11:18] Ubit Umarov: now using somthign else<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: ofc no issue if you have a nove NAS machine and a 100Gbit network ;)<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: a nice NAS..<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Given the simplicity of what that has to do in the end it's easier to write in something else that supports proper file locking out of the box I guess. Ideally directly in C to get the most speed<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: file lock actually seems to fail on linux<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: that fsassets code also runs several instances on a single robust...<br /> [11:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's not built-in so whatever language or code needs to handle it on its own<br /> [11:21] Ubit Umarov: one as assets main instance, others as slaves that connect to it<br /> [11:21] Misterblue Waves: the GUIDs are not random enough or is the content hashing not being unique?<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: there was still a lock issue, bc several maintnance threads could be fired in that case..<br /> [11:22] Ubit Umarov: that should be ok now...<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: my comments where only when ppl did tried to run several assets service instances on dif machines..<br /> [11:23] Ubit Umarov: as i said, that is a fail, unless they are usiign a network shared disk<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Or something that emulates the behavior of one I suppose<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: yeah<br /> [11:24] Ubit Umarov: then ofc one needs to compare the added latency to the latency of just one...<br /> [11:25] Ubit Umarov: on this, region and viewers caches are fundamental<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: in nomral cases, only region caches should be used<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: in cases on users that spend most time on a few regions, even viewer caches<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: From what I log on disk io I rarely see more than a few mbit when assets are moving, so it's not a big load until you get to hundreds of gigabytes<br /> [11:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Bigger problem is backing up millions of files in thousands of directories<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: well many ppl even totally forgot that fsassets uses mysql and disk files<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: and lost the disk files :(<br /> [11:28] Kayaker Magic: oops! I hate it when tht happens!<br /> [11:28] Misterblue Waves: would something like S3 be better -- not AWS but one of the compatible interfaces of modern hash buckets<br /> [11:28] Ubit Umarov: sadly happened a few times<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It should probably use even more sql on that, things like notecards saving their description to the assets means even if they are empty the hash always differs so it creates tons of empty notecard assets<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: AWS is overpriced junk you'll be paying more running that than just some decent bare metal and when they lose your data you are sol<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: several large grids are running fine<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: some mb with own solutions<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: well i nev4er did like fsassets<br /> [11:31] Misterblue Waves: agree on AWS, but a lot of other places are providing S3 compatible storage (DigitalOcean, ...)<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: sure mysql is possible a bad choice<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Toying with the idea of crawling all notecards for empty &lt;data&gt; lines and just nuking them or setting their hash to a single one instead<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: inworldz did used other db engine, if i remember<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: a more direct key,value thing<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: guess non sql even<br /> [11:32] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For a few things a few data structures in OpenSim things like mongodb would work, potentially even better than sql, but then you have another db system to maintain and deal with also, so a trade off<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For avatar data and groups it might be faster, but means whole new db connector etc<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Already a pain to maintain the ones we have<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well our dbs are a disaster<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some, not all<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: guess a good example on how to make things as slow as possible<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: region db ... duhh what a waste<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Inventory might also benefit from document style db rather than large table<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Anything bound to a single user or uuid I suppose<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Useless for assets, want a proper table with keys and indexes there<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Come to think of it I meant to check if different charset and collation had a performance impact on groups as it did with griduser data<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Seems mixing those things is a fail on mariadb<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Needs all uniform ones to speed up inner join<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: seems mariadb is a fail on anything large<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: even mysql<br /> [11:36] Kayaker Magic: I have some stuff set up at OpenSim Fest, and one of the regions stopped working. Scripts froze, I was not allowed to compile my own scripts or rez more objects. Shelenn told me it was caused by an OpenSim bug that Ubit already knew about. Which bug was that?<br /> [11:36] Ubit Umarov: only a few forks of mysql do hold, i was told<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Development has picked up pace lately so maybe that will be change positively in future<br /> [11:37] Misterblue Waves: I've used MariaDB successfully for small deployments (that's what I use for my Docker based regions)<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: no idea<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: they are running a thing called opensim-ngc<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you overload a region with too many scene updates the queue for that fills up and it just stop processing completely<br /> [11:37] Ubit Umarov: that ofc does claim to be better than core<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not much can be done on that though<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: so you do need to ask them :)<br /> [11:38] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: scene update queue has a fixed size, once full it's full and just dies<br /> [11:38] Ubit Umarov: i do not remember such issue..<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Seen that a few times, always told to remove some heavy scripts, timers and things, no more issues<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: what scene updates??<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The ones generated by scripts, avatars etc. Forgot the actual name, but it's not scripts that die it's scene updates<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: you are imagining thngs again vicent :p<br /> [11:39] Ubit Umarov: events queue?<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: those self limit.. do not stop things<br /> [11:40] Ubit Umarov: ofc many ways a script can still freze a region..<br /> [11:40] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can test if its that by typing commands into the console, if it fails with some error no matter what you type you know its borked<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Reducing script load usually resolves this<br /> [11:41] Kayaker Magic: After they &quot;fixed it&quot; I was able to add more scripted items.<br /> [11:41] Ubit Umarov: well i don't remember that issue on core.. possible.. but don't remember<br /> [11:42] Ubit Umarov: i mean a specific one<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You have to load the regions pretty heavily for that to happen most stay well under that or write scripts that don't cause so many updates to be fired<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well i do remember regions totally down<br /> [11:43] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Doesn't happen often enough to really warrant looking into it that much. Easier to just write better scripts<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: jst because a simple LED scritp<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: we jsut could not tp in the region or nearby ones :)<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: similar script will do the same still<br /> [11:44] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I have only seen this on a region with like 90k prims and over 8000 scripts<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: change glow or color etc on a prim is a full update<br /> [11:44] Ubit Umarov: that region had like 1000 LEDs :)<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: we all see that issue at xmas.. with some bad xmas lights<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Could probably find the queue and figure out what the max size is and add some debug to alert when it gets close to full<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just never looked where that is<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: there you are again with a queue... waht queue??<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: there are several<br /> [11:46] Kayaker Magic: After seeing some bad xmas light scripts, I build some ZERO LAG ones that use texture animation to blink.<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: and none a issue<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: yes blink needs to be done with clever tex anim<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: When a script moves a prim, that gets added to a queue as a scene update, usually gets processed almost immediately unless you have a lot of those updates happening<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: wel it is a old issue, also at SL<br /> [11:48] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not sure where in code that is I never looked much into it<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: lludp updates queue per user??<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: well those are heavy.. but a major issue currently<br /> [11:49] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Possible, all I know is it's something that fills up and then overloads stopping update processing because you can still walk around and chat, but scripts appear as if they are stopped<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: they do not fill up<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ma fill your machine ram :p<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: As it doesn't happen immediately and only when more scripts and people are on the region tells me it's some processing for the updates done on scene<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Usually just writing better scripts and reducing the load fixes this<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: scripts need to be good<br /> [11:51] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can have a region with hundreds of thousands of prims and one script that kills it<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: a single bad script can stop a region, as i said<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: .. still...<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: specially using some OSSL there should had never need added<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: details..<br /> [11:51] Kayaker Magic: A bad programmer can write FORTRAN in any language;.<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Writing stuff for light changing and animations can be insanely heavy<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. Finally off the phone call. :P Last part of it was giving the person directions to the place they were driving to as it turned out they were headed north when they should have been going south.<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Still writing on danceballs and other lighting stuff I check what cpu does, sometimes a poorly written line gives me 100% cpu heh<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, doesn't take much to do that.<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In the same tune if you can figure out what it does internally you can change a color 60 times a second without much load<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I have been helping people do some X and Y engine compatibility tests this past week. Their scripts trigger an exception in YEngine during compilation. Not sure what is causing that. Runtime I was getting an out of heap exception.<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: lol ouch<br /> [11:55] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: That takes some serious effort<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Looking at the OS code I found some ini settings to change heap sizes and that solved the heap issue.<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Still no idea about the compile time error.<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: ohh really?<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: mab next time RTFM ?<br /> [11:55] Ubit Umarov: maybe.. :p<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, yes. There are ini settings for setting stack and heap sizes in YEngine but they aren't listed in the ini file.<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The compiler errors are usually very descriptive unless you broke something internally<br /> [11:56] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You ideally shouldn't need to adjust heap at all<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: If people use old OpenSim.ini settings for YEngine heap sizes, that can cause the problem you describe<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: The error is the generic one -&gt; NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Also I think latest release should have proper heap size calc in there, was a bug on that before<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/YEngine<br /> [11:57] Ubit Umarov: &quot;Memory heap and stack use control&quot; very clear there<br /> [11:57] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always test with release or master code<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I'd be curious to see that script and figure out where it generates all that heap<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: YEngine will accept ini settings to set the stack and heap sizes but those settings are not in the existing ini files.<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Haven't had a single script hit those limits yet<br /> [11:58] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well outside of testing for it specifically<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm not as concerned about the heap issue as much as I am about the exception when trying to compile the code.<br /> [11:59] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yeah that you kinda need to have a debugger connected to it I guess<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: I found the YEngine has some settings for debug modes but the debug ones that are supposed to save the original script and save the IL file don't seem to work (or the file was saved somewhere other than I expected).<br /> [12:00] Ubit Umarov: they are at opensimdefaults.ini<br /> [12:00] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Mean like visual studio to see directly in code where it barfs<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, Yes, that is what I was planning on doing. I might add some extra debug code as the backtrace tells me where it dies.<br /> [12:01] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you get anywhere with it feel free to mantis it so others can test as well, more brains the better to figure illusive things like that out<br /> [12:01] Ubit Umarov: yeah to read the IL will help you a lot :p<br /> [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I didn't write the two scripts in question. One is almost 4600 lines line.<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, I know. I was just hoping to find something that might help narrow down what is triggering the exception.<br /> [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: A debugger or adding in extra debug messages may be my best option.<br /> [12:02] Ubit Umarov: x had no control of mem usage<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If they are that long maybe what you are seeing is the fail on the heap allocation itself<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: so it is normal that some scripts will try to eat all memory<br /> [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: It had a 256k stack size setting in the ini but that was about it.<br /> [12:03] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You almost have as bad a luck with bugs as I do lol<br /> [12:03] Ubit Umarov: Y controls stack and heap<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, that's what I'm thinking. it would have been nicer if it had said that in the first place and not just no ref to object.<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, only when it isn't my code.<br /> [12:04] Ubit Umarov: and yes in same cases ppl need to make those very large to run old X scripts<br /> [12:04] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: byr all<br /> [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: This is part of a compatibility test to see what changes (if any) need to be made to the script so it works in YEngine.<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: well assuming it did fail by controled Yengined stach overflow<br /> [12:05] Kayaker Magic: Bye Selby!<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: cya Selby.Evans<br /> [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Selby, ok. Thanks for being here.<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: it may had crash because native stack overflow :)<br /> [12:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well my best guess is that with scripts that long there is probably something in there not up to proper LSL standard and it's barfing on that. I have seen a lot of old scripts written under X perform poorly because they used bad list appends and such things. Fixing those and writing in proper LSL standard you get performance and less issues with memory consumption<br /> [12:05] Ubit Umarov: well when ubode does that, it is very visible :)<br /> [12:06] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Rewriting script that large not so easy of course, might be better to just lint it a bit<br /> [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, That is part of my question. Is it something bad in the script or something in the YEngine code. I wasn't expecting an exception during what I think is just the compilation phase.<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: well it depends on what you call exception<br /> [12:08] Ubit Umarov: &quot;exception&quot; can be a lot of things<br /> [12:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Line 2547 probably and maybe the list append on line 574, need to see the script to determine that really<br /> [12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: What I call an exception is that thing that is reported by YEngine as ...Exception in the error message.<br /> [12:09] Ubit Umarov: it usually tells more<br /> [12:10] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Well null reference errors are something you see on parts of code that try to get properties or iterate for example. It tells you a reference is missing which means whatever code is trying to interact with an object the object has changed format for example. That's just one way that can happen though. Given it runs out of heap perhaps internal structures like list sizes are exceeded when it allocates space for them so the reference to each item falls apart<br /> [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Sure. There is a backtrace.<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: it is on on compile that it has nothing to do with those script memory settings<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: if it is..<br /> [12:11] Kayaker Magic: Andrew: I just looked up YEngine stack and heap sizes, the recommended values are 2048 and 1024, This changed at one point, it sounds like you had the old smaller values.<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: Grrr<br /> [12:11] Ubit Umarov: he now said it is on compile..<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: just need to read the damm message<br /> [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: The first error I ran in to was the Exception that appeared when I told the viewer I wanted to compile the scripts. Once I received an updated version of the code I just got the HeapException error.<br /> [12:12] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: ... we be poking in the dark here without script and logs basically, if you cannot figure it out this week just mantis it :)<br /> [12:12] Ubit Umarov: sure, some are still criptic..<br /> [12:13] Object: Script running<br /> [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Now that I have doubled the heap size I will try compiling the scripts once again on the original version of code in case the no ref to object exception is also heap related.<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: no ref to object is a more severl thing<br /> [12:14] Ubit Umarov: just get the full error<br /> [12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: I would discuss it in the IRC channel but I still can't reach the channel since the nationwide Internet outage on Friday.<br /> [12:15] Ubit Umarov: oh?<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just mantis it if you get nowhere with it this week or something, better get more brains looking over it and I been cleaning up the mantis as best as I can so feel free to add lol<br /> [12:16] Andrew Hellershanks: yea. A major Internet and cell phone provider experience an outage on Friday starting around 5am. I didn't get Internet back until around 10:30pm. Some people were expected to be out as many as 3 days.<br /> [12:16] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: BGP again they say<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: wel in this case, a mantis without the scropt to repo is a problem<br /> [12:16] Ubit Umarov: script..<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: and provide the script, specially a large one, can be a issue<br /> [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, sure. My notes say that even with the larger heap size it still throws an exception when I ask for the scripts to be compiled.<br /> [12:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Script and logs, well steps to reproduce and logs in most cases<br /> [12:17] Ubit Umarov: ohh<br /> [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: If I am allowed to provide the script I will mark it private.<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: it may just be a missing script<br /> [12:18] Kayaker Magic: Finding a small script to reproduce an error is often difficult.<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: that may give a null ref error<br /> [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: To repro the problem just right click object, more, more, scripts, compile (Mono).<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: yeap sounds like a missing script asset<br /> [12:18] Ubit Umarov: read the error message<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: at OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Yengine.XMRInstance.PostEvent (OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.EventParams evt) [0x0001f] in XMRInstRun.cs:69<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Yengine.XMRInstance.PostEvent(OpenSim.Region.ScriptEngine.Shared.EventParams)<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: etc...<br /> [12:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Most obvious problem with that used to be too small packet size on the database to store the asset<br /> [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll see if I can learn anything more about it and mantis.<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: on a post event?<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: odd<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: hm... now that is an intereting thought, Vincent.<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: well can't guess<br /> [12:20] Ubit Umarov: and that is running it<br /> [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: The text of the script as sitting on my computer is 211772 bytes long.<br /> [12:21] Ubit Umarov: or starting<br /> [12:21] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Used to have like 16mb of max packet size on older mysql versions, since then it was increased default value should be much higher now like 1G even on some flavors<br /> [12:22] Ubit Umarov: well scripts used to have a limit of 64k bytes on sources<br /> [12:22] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Was big fail on HG assets back then<br /> [12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, It does look a bit more like it is an issue after the script starts to run. Something to do with llMessageLinked. I am thinking of adding extra code in to LSL_Api.cs to print out what the function receives.<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: but that seems is needs a more detailed debug<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: The Engine is dying and not leaving any useful information about what line of the script it was trying to run at the time it die.d<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: that is not on lsl_api<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: I was hoping one of the Debug settings would help.<br /> [12:23] Andrew Hellershanks: llMessageLinked is not in LSL_Api.cs??<br /> [12:23] Ubit Umarov: and it is that one ?<br /> [12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: That function is mentioned further down in the backtrace.<br /> [12:24] Ubit Umarov: well i can't guess what you didn't told :p<br /> [12:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's like a fox hunt with an invisible fox<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: nahh just very bad problem report<br /> [12:25] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [12:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If you don't get anywhere debugging it mantis it, if they don't want to share set it to private so at least Ubit can have a look at it<br /> [12:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, the script would have to be marked private.<br /> [12:27] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Dirty secrets lol<br /> [12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Proprietary code that is part of a larger system.<br /> [12:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Hopefully not some multi pose animation thing, haven't seen a single one written properly yet they are all massively over complicated and poorly written to the point they consume a ton of resources<br /> [12:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Some just don't even work anymore under Y<br /> [12:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Or use ossl functions that need to be set true<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, interesting that they some don't work in Y (assuming it isn't just perms).<br /> [12:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: They fail on the lists they generate or on typecasts<br /> [12:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Probably not too surprising though.<br /> [12:30] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, right. Probably ones that use the &quot;memory saving trick&quot;.<br /> [12:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Also prime suspects for that &quot;scripts stopped working&quot; thing I mentioned earlier<br /> [12:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Oh yeah when that happens the things like llSetText also don't update so there is a hint at which queue that is<br /> [12:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: But yeah if you don't get anywhere just make a private mantis ticket for it<br /> [12:32] Ubit Umarov: yeha guess that will take some deeper debug<br /> [12:33] Misterblue Waves: gotta run... take care all<br /> [12:33] Ubit Umarov: cya<br /> [12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: As long as I can still access the mantis. Don't know why I still can't access the IRC channels.<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: but that means there are more scripts<br /> [12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Misterblue.<br /> [12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: We are now half past the hour. Unless there is any last minute items I will wrap up the meeting.<br /> [12:34] Ubit Umarov: on the linkset<br /> [12:35] Ubit Umarov: so guess the entire object will be needed to debug<br /> [12:37] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I'll call this one done and dusted. :) Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours 2022-07-12T19:39:03Z

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2021-09-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-09-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-08-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-07-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-06-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-05-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-04-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2021-01-12]]<br /> <br /> === 2020 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-06-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2020-01-07]]<br /> <br /> === 2019 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-31 due to new years eve - happy new year everyone<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-12-24 due to christmas eve - merry christmas everyone<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-12-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-11-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-09-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-08-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-07-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-06-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-05-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-04-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-03-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-02-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2019-01-08]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2019-01-08<br /> <br /> === 2018 ===<br /> * No meeting was held on 2018-12-25<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-12-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-11-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-10-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-09-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-08-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-07-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-06-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-05-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-04-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-03-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-02-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2018-01-02]]<br /> <br /> === 2017 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-26]]<br /> * No meeting was held on 2017-12-19<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-12-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-11-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-10-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-09-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-08-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-07-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-06-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-05-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-04-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-03-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2017-01-03]]<br /> <br /> === 2016 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-12-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-11-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-10-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-09-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-08-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-07-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-06-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-05-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-03-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-16]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-05]]<br /> <br /> === 2015 ===<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-11-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-10-06]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-29]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-22]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-15]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-08]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-09-01]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-25]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-18]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-11]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-08-04]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-07-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-30]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-23]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-09]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-06-02]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-19]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-12]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-05]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-28]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-21]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-14]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-04-07]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-31]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-03-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-24]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-17]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-10]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-02-03]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-27]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-20]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-13]]<br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2015-01-06]]<br /> <br /> Older chat logs can be found on the [[Chat Logs]] page.<br /> <br /> == Saturday - '''Q&amp;A Hour''' ==<br /> '''This meeting is currently not occuring, if you would like to run this meeting please see visit our IRC channel #osgrid on [https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#osgrid libera.chat ]'''&lt;br /&gt;<br /> This is meeting tries to drive testing on OpenSimulator. All members of the opensim community are welcome to participate. Through your testing, we create a better project. Also the possibility to get answers of the questions you would have about setting up your own Grid or connect your region to the OSGrid. This meeting is less structured then &quot;Office Hour&quot; and is focused on the users and adopters rather then the developers.<br /> <br /> * First, any announcements by OSGrid admins.<br /> * Second, any information to share that helps other grids.<br /> * third, any user or tester subjects that anyone wishes to bring up.<br /> <br /> '''This meeting always occurs at 19:00 UTC/GMT (see google calendar below) at Wright Plaza.''' After the one hour is finished, anyone is welcome to continue meeting for as long as they wish.<br /> <br /> == Logs ==<br /> <br /> * [[Chat log from the meeting on 2016-02-27]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Development]]<br /> [[Category:Office Hours]]</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-07-05 2022-07-05T19:05:25Z

<p>Kcozens: Removed Meeting Logger lines</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:03] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hihi<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: hi!<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Xenon<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Is this the dev meet?<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, it is.<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Have a seat.<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: are we voicing or typing?<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Typing<br /> [11:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Let's see, this week we had a fix for OARs not saving looped sounds or sounds in general I suppose. Some more cleaning on mantis. Think that's about it<br /> [11:04] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Xenon<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Hey Selby!<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, right. The second commit with the file that got missed was the important one that actually fixed the issue. :)<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: details :p<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You know it's an important fix when Ubit forgets a file<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: and usually is the most relevant file, lol<br /> [11:07] Kayaker Magic: I'm always afraid I'll grab a copy of the sources just before Ubit submits one with the comment &quot;oops&quot;<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: so what news do you hae abotu opensim ?<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: have... about...<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, quite possible it could happen. :)<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing much in the way of news this week other than what Vincent already mentioned.<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: Ooops commits are usualy important ones :)<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did prompt me to look on mantis if there were other sound issues, actually found and closed one out. Still like two dozen more I need to test and update<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: The only other changes were minor code clean ups changing some &quot;!...IsZero()&quot; to &quot;...IsNotZero()&quot;.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: yeah minor thing.. just reads a little better<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: when jit is clever, code is basicly the same<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: a bit faster when it is not that clever :)<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: I was supposed to push some changes to the OpenSimProfile module last week but got side tracked with some other tasks. I have made a note as to which version of code requires the OSP changes. I hope to get those changes committed and pushed today.<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Similarly been meaning to finish up the work on search to give you that code to update that repo as well, but find myself knee deep in javascript hell the past two weeks<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: I try and avoid JS as much as possible. :) Sometimes it is necessary.<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I thought python was bad, js takes the cake and throws it across the great lakes<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: I also will check whether the changes to the profiles affects the search module. I don't think it does as I don't recall having any compile issues with OpenSimSearch.<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Later this week I'll give mono a good looking at rolling back to older release given the new one seems to be troublesome<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Haven't been able to go through all the commits between the two, either too much code changed or too complicated to read without knowing the codebase<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, is that the 6.12 giving trouble?<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Pretty much the day after the 179 release when I upgraded problems kept rolling in<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always same thing, I did mantis what I have but no conclusive data<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: vicent, andrew is still on the big merge commits review<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I got to 143 then my brain stopped working<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: andrew has like 2000 still ?<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, hehe... yea, one of these days I may finish going through that list. It is around 2k still to go through.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If it turns out rolling back resolves the issues I'ma be a bit cross with mono<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: After that will be reviewing all the other changes made since the big merge.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: well Seems OpensimFest opens next friday<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: guess those are other 2k set :)<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I have the 6.12 182 mono installed and haven't really noticed any issues. Perhaps because I haven't been running my Standalone much in recent days.<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, possibly.<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The more stuff on the region the worse it gets, you can read up on the mantis what it looks like, very strange thing and technically I suppose an impossible crash in a way<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Randomly happens if people are on it otherwise its fine, does a datasnapshot then stacktraces on a uuid tryparse in some lsl list function<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Really strange thing<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, remind me which mantis that is as I have some testing to do this week for compatability with some scripts in X and Y engines.<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 9012<br /> [11:24] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Apologies, I have a work emergency that popped up. :D<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: That is an odd place for an issue.<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Xenon, np.<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's crashing in a try catch, now I don't know the ins and outs of C#, but I thought that was so that wouldn't do that<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Um... if it is inside a try catch it shouldn't crash.<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: ofc we also need to consider that Vicent machines did develop some kind of vodooo :)<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It has started happening on more machines now so annoyingly not just bad hardware<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: Mono looks more like a Vodoo thing, that actual programming ;)<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: The stack trace in the mantis doesn't include line numbers. If it isn't easy to reliably trigger the bug it will be hard to track down the cause.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: worse, does not tell reason for the trace<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I compiled in full debug, even libomv not sure why it doesn't provide line numbers<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. That is an extract of the messages output by the OS instance.<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is no other log, it does a datasnapshot then immediately crashes<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I cannot fathom how that triggers something inside script engine either<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: That raises the question as to whether it happens during the latter part of DS or if DS completed.<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I thought maybe datasnapshot puts a lock on something that then interferes with scripts, but I can't see anything that would do that<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just doesn't fit together at the moment leaving me only the option that seems most obvious, updated mono problems start, so remove that variable first<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: well try again mono ....122<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: to see it is is mono<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: if...<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: you did compile libomv on 179 ?<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yes<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: guess no dif, since that is a runtime issue<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: well mono changes from 122 to 179 seem meaning less<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: one full year of minor commits<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: ofc now they are like that opensim guy and have commits like &quot;several bug fixes&quot;<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I haven't found anything relating to either try catch handling, crash avoidance or the operations done inside tryparse either<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's one of these illusive things I seem to attract for some reason<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Two backtraces reference YEngine. Does the problem also affect XEngine?<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think I only have one region left with that, but I could clone the worst effected region onto that to see if that does anything<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Though they both in the end use the same tryparse<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Might be worth doing to eliminate the script engine as being part of the problem.<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I wish I could turn that hash or whatever into a line number somehow to see which specific line it is it crashes on<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even thought about just going into the lsl api and adding a try catch around all try parse<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not sure that would do anything<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: Those are memory offsets in reference to code blocks.<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If I break open libomv dlls can I then use that to find the line?<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: hm... if the error is in libOMV it would need to be compiled with debugging information to get line numbers.<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did that<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Based on the information in the mantis I have no idea why it is not showing line numbers.<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, Keep plugging away at it and let us know next week how you got on and what you manage to find out.<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If rollback helps I'll spin up some virtual machine to poke more at this on the current mono, add some more try catch everywhere, see if I get a different result<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, sounds good.<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: And then I'll tear mono a new behind<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: We are getting close to the top of the hour. Jagga, you had a couple of questions.<br /> [11:43] Jagga Meredith: Any idea why osTeleportAgent would be the only OSSL thingie broken on a region? Fails silently unless you're the owner of the object.<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: only OSSL thingie broken on a region ?<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: all other OSSL code works<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: The wiki states -&gt; For osTeleportAgent() to work, the owner of the prim containing the script must be the same as the parcel that the avatar is currently on.<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: ahhh<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: also, i lied<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: OSSL Permission Error: osGetSimulatorMemoryKB permission denied.(script: OSSL tester event: touch_start primID:c0d69483-8d32-42da-826b-0bba6530e0d6 at &lt;4.347606, 251.5064, 21.25&gt;)<br /> [11:45] Jagga Meredith: this broke<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: rtfm ?<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: The threat level of that is shown as Severe so permissions may also come in to play.<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You need to update your ini files on that then<br /> [11:45] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Check osslDefaultEnable.ini<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: namely osslEnable.ini<br /> [11:46] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, the one that Ubit mentioned.<br /> [11:46] Kayaker Magic: Doesn't ossEnable over-ride threat levels?<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [11:46] Jagga Meredith: thaat's all i've got<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: ok.I thought you said you had two questions.<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: replaces levels by condtionls, like region owner, etc etc<br /> [11:47] Jagga Meredith: that was2<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: By default that's set to Allow_osTeleportAgent = ${OSSL|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER so the parcel owner, estate owner and estate managers can run that function in objects they own<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, right. Hope that sorts out your issues.<br /> [11:48] Jagga Meredith: perfect<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: threat level is a crude fallback when nothing else is defined on osslEnable<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: well fallback for ossl that do have a threat level..<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: as you know i did add several ossl that jsut have no threat at all<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ie are just like LSL<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, not all OSSL functions have threat levels.<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There are a few silent failure points in there for when the agent isn't on the parcel owned by the object owner that initiates the teleport, if I read that correctly. Also bad region names, presence and other things will cause it to fail without saying anything<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Does the script work on a different region?<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: well this was a opensim policy change.. all ossl used to have threat levels :)<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: also from the ones that did think opensim should be a pure SL clone, even disabling all OSSL<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: well legacy things..<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. The default threat level always allowed some of the OSSL functions that were at or below that level.<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In the end it's just names really<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: It is also possible to allow a given avatar to use a given OSSL function without making the function available for all to use.<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can set avatar uuids, groups as well I think<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't tried it with groups.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: About 5 minutes left in the hour. Any other questions for today?<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just don't set them to true unless you want EVERYONE to have access to them<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, exactly.<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, no questions from you today?<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: hehe, I'm good this time<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. You have been rather question free the last few meetings. :)<br /> [11:56] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: :-)<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: busy in RL<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, one other comment about the OpenSimProfile changes. I will do an initial commit to allow the module to compile. I still need to do additional testing regarding the handling of the publish flags.<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Even if those flags aren't working 100% it isn't that big a deal as I suspect few if any grids are making use of them.<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Any final questions/comments for today as we are now less than 1 minute from the end of the hour?<br /> [11:59] Kayaker Magic: Quitting on time? That never happens!<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: For a moment I thought we might finish a minute early. :)<br /> [12:00] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bye all<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Selby.<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Time to wrap up todays meeting. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

Kcozens http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Chat_log_from_the_meeting_on_2022-07-05 2022-07-05T19:04:35Z

<p>Kcozens: Created</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;pre&gt;<br /> [11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone<br /> [11:02] Meeting Chat Logger V4: Meeting chat logging has been enabled.<br /> [11:02] Meeting Chat Logger V4: Be sure to stop and clear the log at the end of the meeting, this will create the archive @ https://outreach.blight.media/archive/<br /> [11:02] Meeting Chat Logger V4: You can view the log at: https://outreach.blight.media/index.php<br /> [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.<br /> [11:02] Ubit Umarov: hi<br /> [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Hello all!<br /> [11:03] Motoko.Karu @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hihi<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: hi!<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Xenon<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Is this the dev meet?<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, it is.<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Have a seat.<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: are we voicing or typing?<br /> [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Typing<br /> [11:04] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Let's see, this week we had a fix for OARs not saving looped sounds or sounds in general I suppose. Some more cleaning on mantis. Think that's about it<br /> [11:04] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Xenon<br /> [11:04] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Hey Selby!<br /> [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, right. The second commit with the file that got missed was the important one that actually fixed the issue. :)<br /> [11:05] Ubit Umarov: details :p<br /> [11:05] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You know it's an important fix when Ubit forgets a file<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe<br /> [11:06] Ubit Umarov: and usually is the most relevant file, lol<br /> [11:07] Kayaker Magic: I'm always afraid I'll grab a copy of the sources just before Ubit submits one with the comment &quot;oops&quot;<br /> [11:07] Ubit Umarov: so what news do you hae abotu opensim ?<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: have... about...<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, quite possible it could happen. :)<br /> [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing much in the way of news this week other than what Vincent already mentioned.<br /> [11:08] Ubit Umarov: Ooops commits are usualy important ones :)<br /> [11:08] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Did prompt me to look on mantis if there were other sound issues, actually found and closed one out. Still like two dozen more I need to test and update<br /> [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: The only other changes were minor code clean ups changing some &quot;!...IsZero()&quot; to &quot;...IsNotZero()&quot;.<br /> [11:09] Ubit Umarov: yeah minor thing.. just reads a little better<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: when jit is clever, code is basicly the same<br /> [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:10] Ubit Umarov: a bit faster when it is not that clever :)<br /> [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: I was supposed to push some changes to the OpenSimProfile module last week but got side tracked with some other tasks. I have made a note as to which version of code requires the OSP changes. I hope to get those changes committed and pushed today.<br /> [11:14] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Similarly been meaning to finish up the work on search to give you that code to update that repo as well, but find myself knee deep in javascript hell the past two weeks<br /> [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: I try and avoid JS as much as possible. :) Sometimes it is necessary.<br /> [11:15] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I thought python was bad, js takes the cake and throws it across the great lakes<br /> [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: I also will check whether the changes to the profiles affects the search module. I don't think it does as I don't recall having any compile issues with OpenSimSearch.<br /> [11:17] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Later this week I'll give mono a good looking at rolling back to older release given the new one seems to be troublesome<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Haven't been able to go through all the commits between the two, either too much code changed or too complicated to read without knowing the codebase<br /> [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, is that the 6.12 giving trouble?<br /> [11:18] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Pretty much the day after the 179 release when I upgraded problems kept rolling in<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Always same thing, I did mantis what I have but no conclusive data<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: vicent, andrew is still on the big merge commits review<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: ;)<br /> [11:19] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I got to 143 then my brain stopped working<br /> [11:19] Ubit Umarov: andrew has like 2000 still ?<br /> [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, hehe... yea, one of these days I may finish going through that list. It is around 2k still to go through.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: :)<br /> [11:20] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If it turns out rolling back resolves the issues I'ma be a bit cross with mono<br /> [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: After that will be reviewing all the other changes made since the big merge.<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: well Seems OpensimFest opens next friday<br /> [11:20] Ubit Umarov: guess those are other 2k set :)<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, I have the 6.12 182 mono installed and haven't really noticed any issues. Perhaps because I haven't been running my Standalone much in recent days.<br /> [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, possibly.<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: The more stuff on the region the worse it gets, you can read up on the mantis what it looks like, very strange thing and technically I suppose an impossible crash in a way<br /> [11:23] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Randomly happens if people are on it otherwise its fine, does a datasnapshot then stacktraces on a uuid tryparse in some lsl list function<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Really strange thing<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, remind me which mantis that is as I have some testing to do this week for compatability with some scripts in X and Y engines.<br /> [11:24] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: 9012<br /> [11:24] Xenon.Darrow @alternatemetaverse.com:8002: Apologies, I have a work emergency that popped up. :D<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: That is an odd place for an issue.<br /> [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Xenon, np.<br /> [11:25] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's crashing in a try catch, now I don't know the ins and outs of C#, but I thought that was so that wouldn't do that<br /> [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Um... if it is inside a try catch it shouldn't crash.<br /> [11:26] Ubit Umarov: ofc we also need to consider that Vicent machines did develop some kind of vodooo :)<br /> [11:26] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It has started happening on more machines now so annoyingly not just bad hardware<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: Mono looks more like a Vodoo thing, that actual programming ;)<br /> [11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: The stack trace in the mantis doesn't include line numbers. If it isn't easy to reliably trigger the bug it will be hard to track down the cause.<br /> [11:27] Ubit Umarov: worse, does not tell reason for the trace<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I compiled in full debug, even libomv not sure why it doesn't provide line numbers<br /> [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. That is an extract of the messages output by the OS instance.<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There is no other log, it does a datasnapshot then immediately crashes<br /> [11:28] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I cannot fathom how that triggers something inside script engine either<br /> [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: That raises the question as to whether it happens during the latter part of DS or if DS completed.<br /> [11:29] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I thought maybe datasnapshot puts a lock on something that then interferes with scripts, but I can't see anything that would do that<br /> [11:30] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just doesn't fit together at the moment leaving me only the option that seems most obvious, updated mono problems start, so remove that variable first<br /> [11:30] Ubit Umarov: well try again mono ....122<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: to see it is is mono<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: if...<br /> [11:31] Ubit Umarov: you did compile libomv on 179 ?<br /> [11:31] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Yes<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: guess no dif, since that is a runtime issue<br /> [11:32] Ubit Umarov: well mono changes from 122 to 179 seem meaning less<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: one full year of minor commits<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: ofc now they are like that opensim guy and have commits like &quot;several bug fixes&quot;<br /> [11:33] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:33] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I haven't found anything relating to either try catch handling, crash avoidance or the operations done inside tryparse either<br /> [11:34] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: It's one of these illusive things I seem to attract for some reason<br /> [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: Two backtraces reference YEngine. Does the problem also affect XEngine?<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I think I only have one region left with that, but I could clone the worst effected region onto that to see if that does anything<br /> [11:35] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Though they both in the end use the same tryparse<br /> [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Might be worth doing to eliminate the script engine as being part of the problem.<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I wish I could turn that hash or whatever into a line number somehow to see which specific line it is it crashes on<br /> [11:36] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Even thought about just going into the lsl api and adding a try catch around all try parse<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Not sure that would do anything<br /> [11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: Those are memory offsets in reference to code blocks.<br /> [11:37] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If I break open libomv dlls can I then use that to find the line?<br /> [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: hm... if the error is in libOMV it would need to be compiled with debugging information to get line numbers.<br /> [11:39] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I did that<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Based on the information in the mantis I have no idea why it is not showing line numbers.<br /> [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, Keep plugging away at it and let us know next week how you got on and what you manage to find out.<br /> [11:41] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: If rollback helps I'll spin up some virtual machine to poke more at this on the current mono, add some more try catch everywhere, see if I get a different result<br /> [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, sounds good.<br /> [11:42] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: And then I'll tear mono a new behind<br /> [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: :)<br /> [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: We are getting close to the top of the hour. Jagga, you had a couple of questions.<br /> [11:43] Jagga Meredith: Any idea why osTeleportAgent would be the only OSSL thingie broken on a region? Fails silently unless you're the owner of the object.<br /> [11:43] Ubit Umarov: only OSSL thingie broken on a region ?<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: all other OSSL code works<br /> [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: The wiki states -&gt; For osTeleportAgent() to work, the owner of the prim containing the script must be the same as the parcel that the avatar is currently on.<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: ahhh<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: also, i lied<br /> [11:44] Jagga Meredith: OSSL Permission Error: osGetSimulatorMemoryKB permission denied.(script: OSSL tester event: touch_start primID:c0d69483-8d32-42da-826b-0bba6530e0d6 at &lt;4.347606, 251.5064, 21.25&gt;)<br /> [11:45] Jagga Meredith: this broke<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: rtfm ?<br /> [11:45] Ubit Umarov: :p<br /> [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: The threat level of that is shown as Severe so permissions may also come in to play.<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You need to update your ini files on that then<br /> [11:45] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:45] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Check osslDefaultEnable.ini<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: namely osslEnable.ini<br /> [11:46] Jagga Meredith: ok<br /> [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, the one that Ubit mentioned.<br /> [11:46] Kayaker Magic: Doesn't ossEnable over-ride threat levels?<br /> [11:46] Ubit Umarov: ofc<br /> [11:46] Jagga Meredith: thaat's all i've got<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: ok.I thought you said you had two questions.<br /> [11:47] Ubit Umarov: replaces levels by condtionls, like region owner, etc etc<br /> [11:47] Jagga Meredith: that was2<br /> [11:47] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: By default that's set to Allow_osTeleportAgent = ${OSSL|osslParcelO}ESTATE_MANAGER,ESTATE_OWNER so the parcel owner, estate owner and estate managers can run that function in objects they own<br /> [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Jagga, right. Hope that sorts out your issues.<br /> [11:48] Jagga Meredith: perfect<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: threat level is a crude fallback when nothing else is defined on osslEnable<br /> [11:48] Ubit Umarov: well fallback for ossl that do have a threat level..<br /> [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: as you know i did add several ossl that jsut have no threat at all<br /> [11:49] Ubit Umarov: ie are just like LSL<br /> [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes, not all OSSL functions have threat levels.<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: There are a few silent failure points in there for when the agent isn't on the parcel owned by the object owner that initiates the teleport, if I read that correctly. Also bad region names, presence and other things will cause it to fail without saying anything<br /> [11:50] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Does the script work on a different region?<br /> [11:50] Ubit Umarov: well this was a opensim policy change.. all ossl used to have threat levels :)<br /> [11:51] Ubit Umarov: also from the ones that did think opensim should be a pure SL clone, even disabling all OSSL<br /> [11:52] Ubit Umarov: well legacy things..<br /> [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. The default threat level always allowed some of the OSSL functions that were at or below that level.<br /> [11:52] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: In the end it's just names really<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: It is also possible to allow a given avatar to use a given OSSL function without making the function available for all to use.<br /> [11:53] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: You can set avatar uuids, groups as well I think<br /> [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks nods<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't tried it with groups.<br /> [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: About 5 minutes left in the hour. Any other questions for today?<br /> [11:54] Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: Just don't set them to true unless you want EVERYONE to have access to them<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Vincent, exactly.<br /> [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, no questions from you today?<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: hehe, I'm good this time<br /> [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. You have been rather question free the last few meetings. :)<br /> [11:56] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: :-)<br /> [11:56] Kayaker Magic: busy in RL<br /> [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, one other comment about the OpenSimProfile changes. I will do an initial commit to allow the module to compile. I still need to do additional testing regarding the handling of the publish flags.<br /> [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Even if those flags aren't working 100% it isn't that big a deal as I suspect few if any grids are making use of them.<br /> [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Any final questions/comments for today as we are now less than 1 minute from the end of the hour?<br /> [11:59] Kayaker Magic: Quitting on time? That never happens!<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: For a moment I thought we might finish a minute early. :)<br /> [12:00] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bye all<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Selby.<br /> [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Time to wrap up todays meeting. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.<br /> &lt;/pre&gt;</div>

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