HyperGrid Team/Chat Logs/2009.0408

[11:14] Tiffany Sicling: you're right [11:14] Richardus Raymaker: yes warin [11:14] eaglefx Binder: evenning [11:14] Richardus Raymaker: hi eaglefx [11:14] Warin Cascabel: Hello, eaglefx [11:14] eaglefx Binder: Hi [11:15]  Warin Cascabel: Hmm. [11:15] Richardus Raymaker: after mmeeting need to test other [11:16] Tiffany Sicling: ok [11:16]  Warin Cascabel: All right, so it looks like it has to be unlinked. [11:16] Richardus Raymaker: hi jos [11:16] Tiffany Sicling: greetings jos and eagle [11:16] eaglefx Binder: HI [11:16]  Jos Joszpe: hi all [11:16] Warin Cascabel: Hello, Jos [11:16] Tiffany Sicling: I have some example gates here [11:16] Tiffany Sicling: the one without a ring is just to show a hollowing effect [11:16] Jos Joszpe: hey Warin, nice to meet [11:17] Warin Cascabel: in which case I'd suggest having the gate rez the event horizon when you rez the gate, then using osMessageObject to communicate with it so there's no crosstalk between objects. [11:17] Warin Cascabel: Likewise, Jos [11:17] Tiffany Sicling: Warin helps me with scripting at times, especially when I mess them up lol [11:17] Warin Cascabel: Heh :) [11:17]  Jos Joszpe: lol .... [11:17]  eaglefx Binder: heh [11:17]  Jos Joszpe: I'm no help [11:17]  Tiffany Sicling: What I have done so far.... [11:18]  Tiffany Sicling: is look at different ways to make the gate appear when ready to TP, and disappear when not [11:18]  eaglefx Binder: like the real stargate ;) [11:18] Tiffany Sicling: my last option was to rez the prim when ready and derez it when gate is off [11:18] Tiffany Sicling: yes [11:18] Tiffany Sicling: but without the tornado effect [11:18] Warin Cascabel: awwww. :)( [11:18] Jos Joszpe: all my sims have jpeg bug anyways [11:19] Jos Joszpe: I do not understand why ... [11:19] Richardus Raymaker: what svn ? [11:19] Tiffany Sicling: hrm [11:19] Tiffany Sicling: oh yea, I forgot, every now and then, the terrain makes you go into falling animation [11:19] eaglefx Binder: i jumped up to mono 2.4 and 9045 on all last night [11:19] Richardus Raymaker: aha. almost thinked it come from staying i front of a gate [11:20] Tiffany Sicling: since I don't know how to make the tornado effect, if anyone wants to do that, please do [11:20]  Warin Cascabel: :) [11:20]  eaglefx Binder: idk eiither [11:20]  Warin Cascabel: Mmm, particles. [11:20]  Jos Joszpe: not me :/ [11:20]  eaglefx Binder: well i guess u can live without ;) [11:20] Tiffany Sicling: personally, that was the least liked effect about stargate for me lol [11:20] Jos Joszpe: sure can [11:20] Warin Cascabel: Aww, I like the "whoosh". [11:20] Jos Joszpe: please lt me explain quickly [11:21] eaglefx Binder: heh [11:21] Jos Joszpe: I almost certain have a new home [11:21] Jos Joszpe: I will be busy rl alot [11:21] Jos Joszpe: so lesss opsg [11:21] Tiffany Sicling: ok [11:21]  Richardus Raymaker: nice jos. [11:21] Jos Joszpe: cannot do much over the next month [11:21] Tiffany Sicling: thsi gate here I thought of doing a hollow to make the gate shut down [11:21] Jos Joszpe: and hope I will not fall without internet for a few weeks [11:22] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:22] Jos Joszpe: so now you know [11:22] Warin Cascabel: That'll certainly work, Tiffany [11:22] Tiffany Sicling: but since it would be better to have a gate and ring that are linked somehow [11:22] Richardus Raymaker: if you have adsl from the same isp as phone it will move at the same time. normally [11:22] Tiffany Sicling: so they are aligned [11:22] Warin Cascabel: yeah, easier to move them around [11:22] Tiffany Sicling: just place and adjust one object [11:22] Jos Joszpe: no will take new contract [11:22] Richardus Raymaker: hmm, intressting ping stats. its not my nic [11:23] Tiffany Sicling: I think the rez idea is the best [11:23] Richardus Raymaker: ohh.. that can be a downtime jos [11:23] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [11:23] Warin Cascabel: LOL [11:23] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:23] Jos Joszpe: the gates look great [11:23] Richardus Raymaker: its not possible to make a command to turn com on and off ? [11:23] Richardus Raymaker: one that only listen to master avatar [11:23] Tiffany Sicling: yes there is [11:24]  Warin Cascabel: Sure, that's pretty easy - just pass the owner's UUID in the llListen call. [11:24] Tiffany Sicling: now the gates I have with the rings [11:24] Tiffany Sicling: those turn the event horizon transparent [11:24] Tiffany Sicling: touch is just for the demo [11:25] eaglefx Binder: nie [11:25] eaglefx Binder: c [11:25]  Tiffany Sicling: in working condition, it would be controlled by another prim which give you selection of destination, then gate opens and destination would be set [11:25] Jos Joszpe: yes [11:25] Tiffany Sicling: just walk in and go [11:25]  eaglefx Binder: hehe [11:25] Jos Joszpe: very cool [11:25] Tiffany Sicling: if a sim is down, you will get a message to that effect [11:25] Jos Joszpe: great [11:26] Jos Joszpe: cool ! [11:26] Richardus Raymaker: lol, looks weird and funny [11:26] Richardus Raymaker: cool [11:26] eaglefx Binder: i hope the flys will stay out when i enter [11:26] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [11:26] eaglefx Binder: 2 at a time [11:26] Tiffany Sicling: try it [11:26]  Tiffany Sicling: 2 at a time [11:26] Jos Joszpe: 1 [11:26] Jos Joszpe: 2 [11:26] Jos Joszpe: 3 [11:26] Tiffany Sicling: ready? [11:27] Warin Cascabel: Interesting. [11:27] eaglefx Binder: lol [11:27] eaglefx Binder: seems to be a delay [11:27] Tiffany Sicling: guess there is [11:27]  Tiffany Sicling: there's a 5 second delay [11:27] Warin Cascabel: Oh, shoot, you know what it is? [11:28] Tiffany Sicling: but two at a time won't work ? [11:28] eaglefx Binder: Pretty sexy [11:28] Warin Cascabel: I did it quick-and-dirty, and just teleported the first detected avatar, I didn't loop through everyone who was found. [11:28] Tiffany Sicling: ahhhh [11:28] Jos Joszpe: yes pretty sexy [11:28] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:28] Tiffany Sicling: now there is a new gate being developed [11:28] Richardus Raymaker: as long we dont get scrambled [11:28] Tiffany Sicling: that makes this one look so noobish [11:28] eaglefx Binder: lol [11:29] eaglefx Binder: oh in your lab? [11:29] Jos Joszpe: very pretty much more sexy LOL [11:29] Warin Cascabel: Tiffany: change PerformTeleport( llDetectedKey( 0 )); [11:29] Warin Cascabel: to: while (foo--) PerformTeleport( llDetectedKey( foo )); [11:29] Tiffany Sicling: no no, someone who sleeps dreaming about making sculpties is doing it [11:29]  eaglefx Binder: oh and that is ? ;) [11:30] Warin Cascabel: I have a suspicion she's talking about me [11:30]  Warin Cascabel: but I'm not sure. :) [11:30] eaglefx Binder whispers: LOL [11:30] Tiffany Sicling: hrm [11:30] eaglefx Binder: anyways [11:30] Tiffany Sicling: do you dream about making sculpties, Warin ? [11:30] eaglefx Binder: lol [11:30] Tim Prowse is Offline [11:30] Warin Cascabel: Not usually - usually I'm fighting with regular prims that won't stay where I put them. [11:31] Jos Joszpe: = not saying what he is dreaming about :/ [11:31] Richardus Raymaker: hmm. thats strange warin [11:31] eaglefx Binder: well okay so i guess there wont come any more meet people now [11:31] Jos Joszpe: anybody knows ? [11:31] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:31] Jos Joszpe: it has been a mess [11:31] eaglefx Binder: we made a small agenda so it wouldent be too troublesome [11:31] eaglefx Binder: to get thru [11:32] Tiffany Sicling: ok, I made that change to the gate [11:32] Warin Cascabel: 3 [11:32] Warin Cascabel: 2 [11:32] Warin Cascabel: 1 [11:32] Warin Cascabel: Still didn't work? [11:32] Tiffany Sicling: nope [11:32] eaglefx Binder: nr. 2 delays [11:32] Warin Cascabel: Hmph. [11:33] Tiffany Sicling: I went into it twice [11:33] Tiffany Sicling: and I was TP'd 2 times after delay [11:33] eaglefx Binder: should we test this on a real HG region? [11:33] Warin Cascabel: Hmmmm. [11:33] eaglefx Binder: i mean the Standalone [11:33] Warin Cascabel: I'll debug this with an alt, and see what I can come up with. [11:34] Tiffany Sicling: ok [11:34]  Tiffany Sicling: agendas [11:34] Tiffany Sicling: * script distribution: to whom, how to distrubute, ... * registering HGs from the web: what should the process be? * communication with Dev: future of HG, up-coming developments, features * list of team of commited team memebers * anything else??? [11:34] eaglefx Binder: yes [11:34] Tiffany Sicling: the first item, script distro [11:35] eaglefx Binder: well it was mainly to have a goal of meet [11:35] Tiffany Sicling: we want to keep the database secure at this point [11:35] eaglefx Binder: it is here on the wev [11:35] eaglefx Binder: web [11:35] Tiffany Sicling: yes, that's where I copied it from :) [11:35]  Jos Joszpe: lol [11:36]  eaglefx Binder: yes i know only so the others know where to look it up [11:36]  Tiffany Sicling: registering from the web, we have a very crude one so far, and no error checking [11:36]  Richardus Raymaker: still loading [11:36]  Tiffany Sicling: but it works [11:36]  eaglefx Binder: i think thats the test think i gave kidd [11:36]  eaglefx Binder: or? [11:36]  Tiffany Sicling: kidd took the info you gave and expanded it to more fields [11:36]  Richardus Raymaker: ok, not muich new [11:36]  eaglefx Binder: ok gr8 [11:37]  Tiffany Sicling: we're trying to see if a model sorta like xstreetsl will work [11:37]  Jos Joszpe: I think for registering sims to th HG we are "buyilding they should have a minimal uptime [11:37]  Jos Joszpe: I tried some sims that never were on so far [11:38]  Tiffany Sicling: and what I see as a goal is to make it where a person can register their name, etc. [11:38]  Tiffany Sicling: then when they put in their sim information, give them a code to activate the gate [11:39] eaglefx Binder: yes sounds like a good idea [11:39] eaglefx Binder: lol [11:39] Tiffany Sicling: and want it easy enough for a noob to register, get a gate, place it and activate it [11:39]  Richardus Raymaker: always a bit scary with mysql & input [11:39] eaglefx Binder: yes well register on the page and post the HG [11:39]  Jos Joszpe: yes :) [11:40]  Warin Cascabel: As long as you sanitize your inputs, there should be nothing to worry about that. :) [11:40] eaglefx Binder: sounds like a neat idea, so the gate they will recieve at a hub? [11:40] Tiffany Sicling: according to their input for the coordinates... will determine which OSG gate will carry their TP info [11:40] Tiffany Sicling: yes [11:40] Tiffany Sicling: for coordinates out of range of a gate on here, would be reserved for a gate closer to them [11:40] Tiffany Sicling: i.e. in OSG [11:41] Richardus Raymaker: aha, sim hopping [11:41] Warin Cascabel: Will it be a nearest match, or will any hub gate within "range" be able to get to it? [11:41] Tiffany Sicling: only gates specifically setup as hubs [11:42] Tiffany Sicling: since osTPA is now making link-region dynamic like the secondlife://.... [11:42] Tiffany Sicling: there needs to be a return gate at the destination [11:42] Tiffany Sicling: because HOME does NOT work [11:42] Jos Joszpe: ohw ... [11:42] eaglefx Binder: home key? [11:42] Monk Zymurgy is Online [11:42] Warin Cascabel: Ctrl-Shift-H key. [11:42] Tiffany Sicling: HOME does work if using llmapdest [11:43] eaglefx Binder: woo i better look into all those llsomething ;) [11:43]  Tiffany Sicling: since that causes the sim to make a more permanent link... I dunno if there's a delay there or not [11:43]  Tiffany Sicling: but dynamic linking does die off after a few mins [11:43]  Tiffany Sicling: so going to HOME causes you to see 'not found' [11:44]  eaglefx Binder: can these ports be linked static? [11:44]  Jos Joszpe: so return gates ... sounds no problem to me, .. kinda cool .. [11:44]  Tiffany Sicling: the workaround for that is to secondlife://yourlogingrid/region:xxxx/ [11:44]  Tiffany Sicling: and click that [11:44]  eaglefx Binder: yes well, thats easy for us but will the nøøb's know? [11:45]  Tiffany Sicling: dynamic is the way to go simply since we don't want sims to have tens or hundreds of perm link-regions, it will bog and/or crash the sim [11:45]  eaglefx Binder: yes and u can keep them in the prim? [11:45] Tiffany Sicling: for noobs [11:45] Tiffany Sicling: we want them to only select a destination and go [11:45]  eaglefx Binder: yes [11:45] Tiffany Sicling: and arrive at another gate there [11:46] Richardus Raymaker: thats good tiffany [11:46] Jos Joszpe: sounds cool [11:46] eaglefx Binder: script distribution: to whom, how to distrubute, ... [11:46] Tiffany Sicling: that way it's easy for them to come back [11:46] eaglefx Binder: so this point is kinda clear [11:47] eaglefx Binder: well well thats okay we also have to apply to the opensource idea anyways aka like opensim [11:47] eaglefx Binder: but for starters i guess it is fine [11:47] Tiffany Sicling: so that is what made me figure out two different kinds of gates [11:47] Tiffany Sicling: hubs and clients [11:47] Jos Joszpe: okay [11:48] Jos Joszpe: okay [11:48] eaglefx Binder: ok [11:49]  Tiffany Sicling: hehe [11:49] eaglefx Binder: haha [11:49] Richardus Raymaker: relays & clients ? [11:49] Jos Joszpe: lol [11:49] Tiffany Sicling: well, I see it this way [11:49] Tiffany Sicling: if there are hubs on OSG [11:49] Tiffany Sicling: that's the corridor from/to OSG [11:49] Tiffany Sicling: other grids can have their own HUBS for their sims [11:50] eaglefx Binder: yes on specific regions, or anyones? [11:50] toto Sonnenkern: hello [11:50] Warin Cascabel: Hello, toto. [11:50] Jos Joszpe: hi toto [11:50] toto Sonnenkern: how are you [11:50] Tiffany Sicling: anyone [11:51] Jos Joszpe: yes [11:51] Richardus Raymaker: hubs oor gateways ? what sounds nicer [11:51] Tiffany Sicling: I'll give you an example [11:51] Tiffany Sicling: someone gave me some code to help me do something [11:52] Warin Cascabel: "gateways" might be confusing. [11:54] eaglefx Binder: so well i think we need to write a little on how this gets distributed e.t.c. [11:54]  Tiffany Sicling: anyone that gets a HUB gate on their sim would be able to see the code in it [11:54]  eaglefx Binder: unless it is on specific regions [11:55] eaglefx Binder: maybe also easier [11:55] Tiffany Sicling: in SL, there is a stargate network [11:55] Tiffany Sicling: but certain scripts in it are no mod no trans [11:55] Warin Cascabel: A luxury we don't have, alas. [11:55] eaglefx Binder: only problem is that it gets to static and people wil just make thair owns then [11:56] Richardus Raymaker: hmmhmm [11:56] Tiffany Sicling: well, it's great to have opensource [11:56] eaglefx Binder: sure [11:56] Tiffany Sicling: and I support that fully [11:56] eaglefx Binder: idea flows better [11:56] Tiffany Sicling: yes it does [11:56] toto Sonnenkern: yeah, the best thing on opensource is the community [11:56] toto Sonnenkern: a working or living one [11:57] eaglefx Binder: yes [11:57] eaglefx Binder: well on the todo list with it [11:57]  Tiffany Sicling: one way, registering at the website, is to give the new user an activation code [11:57] eaglefx Binder: yes [11:58] Tiffany Sicling: if they don't put that activation code in the gate, or on a channel, don't activate the gate [11:58] eaglefx Binder: i was thinking a litle like SLExchange worked [11:58] eaglefx Binder: in world and out world [11:58] Tiffany Sicling: right [11:59] eaglefx Binder: yes neath [11:59] eaglefx Binder: that could work [11:59] eaglefx Binder: where did jos go? [11:59] Warin Cascabel: And the transmission of the UUID doesn't even have to be in the lsl/ossl script [11:59] toto Sonnenkern: an item in world with a special uuid? [11:59] Warin Cascabel: since it's transmitted automatically. [11:59] Richardus Raymaker: its a good start [12:01] eaglefx Binder: well now it gets a bit advanced ;) [12:01]  Tiffany Sicling: I recommend keep it locked for now until we get this part worked out [12:01]  eaglefx Binder: lol [12:03]  Tiffany Sicling: anytime I cross and have a script running attachment, I see it compiled on the other side [12:03]  eaglefx Binder: so would you guys like to try this out on a rela HG or di you alredy Tiffany? [12:03]  Warin Cascabel: Right, Tiffany - both regions have to have script sharing AND binary transfers enabled [12:03]  Tiffany Sicling: but I haven't tried with just the binary [12:04]  Warin Cascabel: at least locally on the same grid. Not sure if that's implemented across hypergrid yet. [12:04]  Richardus Raymaker: if its closed md5 can work good [12:04]  Tiffany Sicling: we could use a one-way hash like linux passwords [12:04]  Richardus Raymaker: binary on is not safe the say. so.... [12:04]  Jos Joszpe: sorr power pout here [12:05] Warin Cascabel: That's fairly easy to do - pull bits out of the owner UUID, object UUID, and timestamp to create a one-time pad. [12:05] eaglefx Binder: ;) [12:05]  Tiffany Sicling: lots of things to think of as this goes on and gets better for sure :) [12:05] eaglefx Binder: yes well maybe we should keep it simple to start with ;) [12:06]  Tiffany Sicling: for now, my task is to get the gates ready for use for some full testing :) [12:06] Warin Cascabel: Keep it simple, but plan for complexity. :) [12:06] eaglefx Binder: hehe [12:06]  eaglefx Binder: yes [12:06]  Jos Joszpe: lol [12:06]  Tiffany Sicling: I think the rezzing the prim on gate activation is best [12:06]  Warin Cascabel: I tend to agree. [12:06]  Richardus Raymaker: yes [12:06]  Tiffany Sicling: select destination... then gate goes to work to provide pathway [12:06]  eaglefx Binder: yes so web/inworld work together [12:06]  Warin Cascabel: Though the hollow thing would work fine too. [12:07]  toto Sonnenkern: can i see an example of this, web inworld thing [12:07]  toto Sonnenkern: ?? [12:07]  Tiffany Sicling: yes, but what about ramifications about it being linked up ? [12:07]  toto Sonnenkern: e.g. xstreet or what you mean [12:07]  eaglefx Binder: no xstreet was just an idea on the workflow of it [12:08]  Warin Cascabel: toto, if you go to Quirm and get the Graphophone out of my shop, that is an interface between an inworld object and a Web-based MySQL database. [12:08] Warin Cascabel: As to the ramifications of it being linked up [12:08]  Warin Cascabel: the event horizon would have to be the root prim [12:08] Warin Cascabel: which is no big deal. [12:08] Tiffany Sicling: yes, but that also makes the ring teleport you too [12:08] Warin Cascabel: Does it? [12:09] Tiffany Sicling: let me link this one [12:09] toto Sonnenkern: ok warim i will visit Quirm now, how do i find you store? [12:09] Jos Joszpe is Offline [12:09] Sherlock Reinard is Offline [12:09] Event Horizon v1.2: Gate: Transporting. [12:09] Event Horizon v1.2: Gate: Idle. [12:09] Tiffany Sicling: hrm, I guess not [12:10] toto Sonnenkern: ok later [12:10] Tiffany Sicling: either the ring as root or the gate as root [12:10] Tiffany Sicling: one of them made the ring TP [12:10]  Tiffany Sicling: ahh [12:10] Warin Cascabel: Rats, can't rez here. [12:10] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:11] Warin Cascabel: Thanks :) [12:11]  Tiffany Sicling: yw [12:11]  Primitive: Script running [12:11]  eaglefx Binder: who is toto? [12:11]  Richardus Raymaker: dont know.. [12:11]  eaglefx Binder: seems like they ran of both ;) [12:14] Richardus Raymaker: maby distribute the gate in a rezzer box ? [12:14] eaglefx Binder: okay so did we get the stuff covered enougt for that firs tpoint? [12:14] eaglefx Binder: i mean so that testng can continue [12:14] Tiffany Sicling: yes [12:15] Tiffany Sicling: any suggestions/complaints/praises so far ? [12:15] eaglefx Binder: ypu guys agree we post full log on wiki? or edited? [12:15] eaglefx Binder: no we need some more readable written so everybody can say yes or no ;) [12:15]  eaglefx Binder: or come with ideas whatever [12:16]  eaglefx Binder: bur well i think this log has alot of things on it [12:16]  eaglefx Binder: yes [12:16]  Richardus Raymaker: yes warin [12:16]  toto Sonnenkern: is there a url to see my gramaphone sihn on a web page? [12:16]  Tiffany Sicling: I think for future meetings, if we have demos, then call part of the meeting a lab [12:17]  eaglefx Binder: yes on a HG [12:17]  Warin Cascabel: No, toto. The Graphophone uses the Web to store and retrieve messages in a database. They're not displayed on the Web. [12:17]  eaglefx Binder: yes gooid idea [12:17]  eaglefx Binder: well okay we can check laters if all should be posted [12:17]  Tiffany Sicling: I would kinda say we did lab and talk but mixed [12:17]  toto Sonnenkern: the you must send me a screenshow of it ;) [12:18] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:18] Warin Cascabel: There's no screenshot, toto. [12:18] Warin Cascabel: It stores and retrieves text messages. [12:18] Warin Cascabel: You sent the message "greetings from germany t" to my Graphophone. [12:18] eaglefx Binder: okay lets say thats enough for 1. agenda, next is [12:18] eaglefx Binder: 2. registering HGs from the web: what should the process be? [12:19] eaglefx Binder: do we have the ideas on that proper set or we need kidd to participate too [12:19] Tiffany Sicling: They register on the web with their name [12:19] eaglefx Binder: yes and get a "activate" code to post thair HG [12:19]  eaglefx Binder: to get a Gate, kinda like that in owrld [12:19] eaglefx Binder: inworld [12:20] Tiffany Sicling: are given a code and they go in-world and type that code to a prim which associates their online account with their in-world UUID [12:20] toto Sonnenkern: is this a mssql db or what kind of db? [12:20] eaglefx Binder: okis that was quick ;) [12:20]  eaglefx Binder: lol [12:20]  Tiffany Sicling: hehe [12:20]  eaglefx Binder: yes mysql [12:20]  Warin Cascabel: Or make it part of the Stargate itself, with "Activate" and "Deactivate" buttons as part of its menu? [12:20]  eaglefx Binder: yes better [12:20]  Richardus Raymaker: or php there some command to strip variables. and if i remeber good one to stipt some characters.. would be good to remove the = / + etc. from input [12:20]  Tiffany Sicling: if it's good for XStreetSL, then they have a proven way to do it [12:20]  Warin Cascabel: (although probably "register" and "unregister" would be better terminology) [12:20]  Warin Cascabel: stripslashes [12:21]  Warin Cascabel: or is it stripcslashes? I forget. [12:21]  Warin Cascabel: Oh, there's both. :) [12:21] eaglefx Binder: we should also consider make the DB/php a modular thing maybe to the webinterface [12:21] Tiffany Sicling: Register at website. Take code in-world, activate their AV at a 'terminal' [12:21] Richardus Raymaker: you have also trim [12:22] Tiffany Sicling: take copy of gate [12:22] Tiffany Sicling: place it [12:22]  Richardus Raymaker: its anyway good to do it modulair from start use includes. i like it always to split it up in smal parts [12:22] Tiffany Sicling: touch gate to turn it on [12:22]  eaglefx Binder: yes ok [12:23]  eaglefx Binder: right we shouldent mess too much with peoples UUID's ;) [12:23]  Tiffany Sicling: verifying their UUID proves who they are [12:23]  eaglefx Binder: yes [12:25]  Tiffany Sicling: they can get on the website and see how many gates they have [12:26]  Warin Cascabel: And the user simply uses the same activation code with all gates, rather than having a different activation code for each gate? [12:26]  Tiffany Sicling: well [12:26]  Tiffany Sicling: I think the activation is to activate their avatar [12:26]  Richardus Raymaker: only for the same grid, or .. [12:26]  Warin Cascabel: OK, Tiffany, I think I understand. [12:27]  eaglefx Binder: brb [12:27]  Tiffany Sicling: once the avatar is activated... then any gate they rez will pass their UUID info [12:27]  Warin Cascabel: Richardus, I think it would have to be per-grid - because people might have different UUIDs on different grids. [12:27] Tiffany Sicling: yes [12:28] Richardus Raymaker: yes [12:28] Tiffany Sicling: to activate another avatar on same account, I would think they can go request another activation code [12:28] Tiffany Sicling: go in-world and link that av to the account [12:28] Tiffany Sicling: I think [12:28] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [12:29] Warin Cascabel: I don't know if that would be necessary for this particular application, but it's easy enough to do. [12:29] Tiffany Sicling: hrm [12:29] Richardus Raymaker: can yoiur read the avatar owner from the object ? [12:29] Warin Cascabel: Yes. [12:30] Richardus Raymaker: then you have the activation i think [12:30] Tiffany Sicling: I think the problem would be activation from different grids unless the gate would also act like a terminal [12:30] eaglefx Binder: sorry back had to put my boy to ebd [12:31] eaglefx Binder: bed [12:31] eaglefx Binder: ok what did i miss ;) [12:31]  Tiffany Sicling: I think as we go along, the right solution will land at our feet [12:31]  eaglefx Binder: yes [12:31]  Warin Cascabel: Yeah, the problems will arise on their own. :) [12:32] Warin Cascabel: As things become more clearly defined, the issues will become apparent (and, hopefully, the ways to overcome them). [12:32] Tiffany Sicling: Communication with the Devs [12:32] eaglefx Binder: yes, did any of you communicate to HG Dev? u tiff? [12:33] Tiffany Sicling: I have talked with a Dev and am updated on progress from them [12:33] Tiffany Sicling: HG groups are being looked at [12:33]  eaglefx Binder: which is this point ;) [12:33]  eaglefx Binder: communication with Dev: future of HG, up-coming developments, features [12:33]  Tiffany Sicling: HG group chat that is [12:34]  Tiffany Sicling: Inventory is being played with [12:34]  Warin Cascabel: Groups are being looked at by a number of different bunches of people, apparently. :) [12:34] eaglefx Binder: yes we did some nasty testing on my sim u remember [12:34] Tiffany Sicling: dynamic osTPA is functional [12:34] eaglefx Binder: i actually lost that boot after you moved it ;) [12:34]  Tiffany Sicling: oh ? [12:34]  Tiffany Sicling: ouch [12:34]  eaglefx Binder: well dont worry i had a copy ;)) [12:34]  eaglefx Binder: hehe [12:35]  eaglefx Binder: but it was corupted [12:35]  Tiffany Sicling: eagle had his perms set to false [12:35]  Tiffany Sicling: so I moved his boot off his foot and put it back [12:35]  eaglefx Binder: yes i couldent wear it after [12:35]  Warin Cascabel: In his own sim? [12:35]  Tiffany Sicling: yep [12:35]  eaglefx Binder: in a HG [12:35]  Warin Cascabel: Oooooh, that's nasty. [12:35]  eaglefx Binder: yes [12:36]  eaglefx Binder: i actually would like to see after this if all 5 could go there to see the performance, cuz it is a smaller server on winnie [12:36]  Tiffany Sicling: sure [12:36]  Warin Cascabel: Sounds good. [12:36]  Richardus Raymaker: aha [12:36]  eaglefx Binder: okay great, so: [12:36] eaglefx Binder: communication with Dev: future of HG, up-coming developments, features [12:36] eaglefx Binder: did we cover this? [12:37] Tiffany Sicling: future of HG [12:37]  eaglefx Binder: i guess it would be cool to meet the Dev is she inworld? [12:37] Tiffany Sicling: I think it has a great future [12:37] Warin Cascabel: Yes, she goes to the Tuesday meetings, usually. [12:37] eaglefx Binder: oh name? [12:37] Tiffany Sicling: yes, on tuesday [12:37] Warin Cascabel: Diva... what the heck is her last name? [12:37] eaglefx Binder: ah yes ok [12:37]  eaglefx Binder: canto [12:37] Tiffany Sicling: I don't remember right off [12:38] eaglefx Binder: canto i think [12:38] Warin Cascabel: I'm so bad with names. [12:38] Tiffany Sicling: gosh, that's bad lol [12:38] eaglefx Binder: haha [12:38] eaglefx Binder: Diva Canto i think [12:38] Warin Cascabel: Not nearly as bad as "Ass Star"... [12:38] eaglefx Binder: something like that [12:38] eaglefx Binder: AHHAHA [12:38] Tiffany Sicling: BlueWall is a grid coordinator/something [12:38] eaglefx Binder: ok [12:38]  Tiffany Sicling: and he also makes patches to the code [12:39] eaglefx Binder: well i think this should be keept at a userlever so it is not limited to a minor group [12:39] eaglefx Binder: level [12:39] Warin Cascabel: jhurliman's also been talking about hypergrid stuff a lot recently in #opensim-dev [12:39] Warin Cascabel: I don't know what his inworld name is. [12:40] Tiffany Sicling: if we can get all this together, we will be better organized :) [12:40]  eaglefx Binder: we should talk/tell about the wiki and the #hypergrid, so we get the ideas same channel [12:40]  Warin Cascabel: Don't look at me for organizational skills. :) [12:40] Tiffany Sicling: lol [12:40] eaglefx Binder: well i aint no boss usually either ;) .. lol [12:41]  Richardus Raymaker: hehe.. dont look at me. [12:41]  eaglefx Binder: but well i guess we can figure, kidd is good a wikis [12:41]  Tiffany Sicling: I've done it, even though I didn't like it lol [12:41]  eaglefx Binder: lol [12:41]  Richardus Raymaker: the moved the svn row to. its now more difficult to compile svn :) [12:41] Warin Cascabel: Oh hey, look at that, #hypergrid. :) [12:41] eaglefx Binder: well if we have to get the word spread i think we need some ideas e.t.c. and recuit people to participate [12:42]  eaglefx Binder: so each houtr from now on we post the wiki url in osgrid and opensim ;)) [12:42]  Tiffany Sicling: Bruce is on another grid, he's interested in being on the team, but I don't see him here today [12:42]  Warin Cascabel: heh [12:42]  eaglefx Binder: he was in the irc yesterday [12:43]  eaglefx Binder: but left wheni saud welcome bruce ;) [12:43] eaglefx Binder: hehe [12:43] Event Horizon v1.2: Gate: Transporting. [12:43] Event Horizon v1.2: Gate: Idle. [12:43] Tiffany Sicling: change that UTC to GMT [12:43] Tiffany Sicling: on the wiki [12:43] eaglefx Binder: yes [12:43] Tiffany Sicling: makes it less confusing [12:43] Richardus Raymaker: next week same time ? [12:43] eaglefx Binder: and i think i will make the Viewer clock in ( viverclock) [12:43] eaglefx Binder: yes [12:43] Tiffany Sicling: yes [12:44] Tiffany Sicling: so in summing up today...... [12:44] eaglefx Binder: so GMT 20:00 (viewer: bla bla [12:44]  eaglefx Binder: we have one more [12:44]  eaglefx Binder: list of team of commited team memebers [12:46]  eaglefx Binder: so how do we make this last point [12:46]  eaglefx Binder: list of team of commited team memebers [12:46]  eaglefx Binder: hands up one? ..LOL [12:46]  Tiffany Sicling: We can make the list of team members [12:46]  eaglefx Binder: hahaha [12:46]  Richardus Raymaker: bye [12:46]  eaglefx Binder: hallo [12:46]  Richardus Raymaker: cool warin. [12:47]  eaglefx Binder: i have that also ;) [12:47] eaglefx Binder: well okay [12:47] Richardus Raymaker: hmm, ahh there's the wave [12:47] eaglefx Binder: ok we can count like this, Rica, Tiff, Warin, Kidd, Jos [12:47] eaglefx Binder: me [12:47]  eaglefx Binder: or? [12:48] eaglefx Binder: how about the other guys? [12:48] eaglefx Binder: Edy e.t.c. [12:48]  Tiffany Sicling: Brude [12:48] eaglefx Binder: bruce [12:48] eaglefx Binder: yes [12:48] Richardus Raymaker: betetr say rich [12:48] Tiffany Sicling: Bruce [12:48] eaglefx Binder: yes sry [12:48] eaglefx Binder: i will make a list [12:48] Tiffany Sicling: Rickardus HGMaker ? [12:48] eaglefx Binder: is all agree? [12:48] eaglefx Binder: toto who are you? new or ? [12:49] toto Sonnenkern: yes [12:49] Tiffany Sicling: kidd helps me with scripting [12:49] Sherlock Reinard is Online [12:49] Tiffany Sicling: warin helps with scripting [12:49] toto Sonnenkern: old mind [12:49] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:49] Tiffany Sicling: I think warin is also working on a nice gate too [12:49] Warin Cascabel: Thanks :) [12:49]  toto Sonnenkern: so maybe i can be betatester? [12:50]  eaglefx Binder: so you guys all is feeling liekyou are on team, well it is free to enter or leave ;) [12:50] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:50] Tiffany Sicling: we always need testers [12:50] Richardus Raymaker: i hope i can help somewhere [12:50] Tiffany Sicling: if you don't mind crashing a lot while testing [12:50] toto Sonnenkern: i running my local sim too [12:50] eaglefx Binder: i just think it makes it easier to know who does what and who is commited to deal woth it [12:50]  Tiffany Sicling: Richardus, what can you contribute ? [12:50] toto Sonnenkern: but only involved in 3d world for a few month [12:50] Warin Cascabel: I will donate my gate to the project when it's finished. [12:50] Richardus Raymaker: dont know.. :O [12:51] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:51] Tiffany Sicling: that's ok [12:51]  Tiffany Sicling: do you have a standalone sim ? [12:51] Richardus Raymaker: its just how relaxed and rested im be in rl [12:51]  eaglefx Binder: well ideas is also a good thingis ;) [12:51]  Richardus Raymaker: in grid and till september a vpps thats a HG [12:51]  toto Sonnenkern: lol, rl is heavy too here [12:52]  eaglefx Binder: ok so we can make a core list, and participants [12:52]  eaglefx Binder: like peopel that wanna deal with ot [12:52]  Richardus Raymaker: at younger age i did more on the pc :) [12:52] Tiffany Sicling: even my own StandAlone (SA) crashes after a while duringtesting [12:52] Richardus Raymaker: did not checked if its up [12:52]  Tiffany Sicling: in fact, my whole computer crashed yesterday lol [12:52] Warin Cascabel: Bah, that reminds me, I can't log into my standalone any more. :/ [12:52] Richardus Raymaker: must be windows [12:52] eaglefx Binder: lol [12:53] Tiffany Sicling: OS X here, but I was like HG about 60 times all over the place [12:53] Warin Cascabel: Not necessarily, Richardus - the Darklight client manages to spontaneously reboot my Linux machine... [12:53] toto Sonnenkern: i have installed 3 linux distris on vmware [12:53] Richardus Raymaker: apple that crash ? hmm thats rare. [12:53] toto Sonnenkern: under my good lod xp [12:53]  Tiffany Sicling: I know, but I think I overheated the GPU [12:53] toto Sonnenkern: lenny, ubuntu and suse [12:54] eaglefx Binder: ok i make 2 lists, HG core team members, like Rich, Tiff, Warin, Bruce, EagleFX, Kidd, Jos [12:54] eaglefx Binder: More? [12:54] toto Sonnenkern: me [12:54]  toto Sonnenkern: too [12:54] eaglefx Binder: Ok [12:54]  Tiffany Sicling: Testers [12:54] toto Sonnenkern: yep [12:54] eaglefx Binder: so testers list is Toto now? [12:54] Tiffany Sicling: always need those to go crashing.... uh... I mean.... HG'n around and trying stuff [12:54] eaglefx Binder: + us ofcause ;) [12:54]  toto Sonnenkern: sorry for not joining dev [12:54]  eaglefx Binder: LOL [12:55]  Tiffany Sicling: that's okay [12:55]  eaglefx Binder: well u can i guess if you wanna, no restrictions reall i think [12:55]  Tiffany Sicling: if we make something and it breaks and you see that, please let us know [12:55]  toto Sonnenkern: yes [12:55]  eaglefx Binder: it is more so the information will flow to members that is commited to it [12:55]  Tiffany Sicling: at one time I want to test how many av's we can get on a HG SA region [12:56]  eaglefx Binder: yes i think your idea of having LAB time is good [12:56]  Richardus Raymaker: do you give free chutes ? [12:56]  eaglefx Binder: 1. go thru list of stuff, [12:56]  eaglefx Binder: 2. lab testing time keep log away from wiki [12:56]  Tiffany Sicling: well, gate addresses [12:56]  eaglefx Binder: unless agreed on [12:56]  Tiffany Sicling: we haven't gotten to that point yet [12:57] Warin Cascabel: OK :) [12:57]  Tiffany Sicling: for the hubs in OSG, I would like to see outside regions coordinates close to a hub near it [12:57]  ARADTech KoolKam is Offline [12:58]  Tiffany Sicling: ok, who is doing most of the wiki updates ? [12:58]  eaglefx Binder: ok last point thne? [12:58]  eaglefx Binder: i do [12:58]  eaglefx Binder: for now i do it maybe in co wrok with kidd [12:58]  eaglefx Binder: but i promised her to do today [12:59]  Tiffany Sicling: ok [12:59]  Tiffany Sicling: if you have time, please post a list of team members [12:59]  eaglefx Binder: yes i made a list on editor [12:59]  Tiffany Sicling: is that okay with all of you ? [12:59]  eaglefx Binder: we need to hear if Edy and those guys is in too!!?? [12:59]  Warin Cascabel: Sounds good to me. [12:59]  eaglefx Binder: or keep this as a OSG one? [13:00]  Warin Cascabel: Suggestion: post the URL to the wiki in the channel topic on #hypergrid [13:00] eaglefx Binder: yes [13:00] Tiffany Sicling: the wiki is on the opensimulator.org, so I would include out-world people too [13:00] eaglefx Binder: we can cange topic [13:00] Tiffany Sicling: which is not specific to OSG unless otherwise stated [13:00] Warin Cascabel: Should be able to - eagleFX, kiddpico and TiffanyS are all ops. :P [13:01] eaglefx Binder: lol [13:01] eaglefx Binder: yes kidd made it [13:01]  eaglefx Binder: but she couldent figure the chanserv [13:01] eaglefx Binder: well we need do deop someimes maybe [13:01] eaglefx Binder: Tiffany is the king ;) [13:01]  eaglefx Binder: LOL [13:02]  Warin Cascabel: I sure can't find it in the wiki... what's the URL? [13:02]  eaglefx Binder: sec [13:02]  eaglefx Binder: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/HyperGrid_Team [13:02]  Richardus Raymaker: do we have a HG irc channel ? [13:02]  Warin Cascabel: #hypergrid [13:02]  eaglefx Binder: yes [13:03]  eaglefx Binder: kidd registered it [13:03]  Warin Cascabel: What the hell, is the wiki's search function case-sensitive? I didn't find that page when searching for "hypergrid". [13:03]  Richardus Raymaker: next login it will be opened here [13:03]  toto Sonnenkern: so HyperGrid Regions arte different region then a normal region [13:03]  eaglefx Binder: yes it sucks [13:03]  eaglefx Binder: we need to make i tlowercase [13:04]  Warin Cascabel: weird thing is, "hypergrid" does exist on the page in all lowercase [13:04] toto Sonnenkern: but iam in : t the Gridnaut [13:04] Warin Cascabel: so it SHOULD have found it. [13:04] eaglefx Binder: yes i had trouble too recent where i didnt hit in the G [13:04]  eaglefx Binder: i will talk to kid about getting it changed [13:04] Tiffany Sicling: yea, the wiki is not the best search engine on the market [13:04] eaglefx Binder: lol [13:05] eaglefx Binder: we take over google then ;) [13:05]  eaglefx Binder: ok last: [13:05]  eaglefx Binder: anything else??? [13:05]  eaglefx Binder: ;) [13:05] eaglefx Binder: lol [13:05] Tiffany Sicling: not that I can think of at this time [13:05] eaglefx Binder: well HG jumping :P [13:05] eaglefx Binder: yay [13:06] Tiffany Sicling: kick the tires [13:06] Warin Cascabel: Heh [13:06] eaglefx Binder: lol [13:06] toto Sonnenkern: what means this: [13:06] toto Sonnenkern: Collaboration Sites

* http://hgteam.sunredbeach.com This is a test [13:06] Warin Cascabel: Somebody said something about getting everyone on a region for testing a performance? [13:06] eaglefx Binder: okay cool guys i will change the wiki e.t.c. [13:06]  eaglefx Binder: yes thats me [13:06]  toto Sonnenkern: ok [13:06]  Richardus Raymaker: ok. to where ? [13:06] eaglefx Binder: would like to see if the pc can handle it [13:06]  eaglefx Binder: sec [13:06] Warin Cascabel: Muah hah hah [13:07] Tiffany Sicling blak [13:07] Warin Cascabel fires up an alt as well [13:07] Tiffany Sicling hrm [13:07] toto Sonnenkern: Cool Collaboration [13:07] Tiffany Sicling: how did you do that ? [13:07] eaglefx Binder: secondlife://opensimhg.sunredbeach.com:9000/ [13:07] Warin Cascabel: do what? [13:07] Tiffany Sicling: on nevermind [13:07] Tiffany Sicling: duh [13:07] eaglefx Binder: that site was a test to see if it was good or not, we aint sure yet [13:07] Little Sister: HAI GUISE WHUTS GOIN ON HEAR!!! [13:07] Richardus Raymaker: hello little [13:07] toto Sonnenkern: nice eagle [13:08] eaglefx Binder: it is ICECore/Kablink [13:08] eaglefx Binder: pretty cool actually [13:08] Tiffany Sicling: uh oh... little sister is here, everybody run! [13:08] toto Sonnenkern: never heard of it [13:08]  eaglefx Binder: but also a bit advanced maybe [13:08] eaglefx Binder: but it has it all for collab [13:08] eaglefx Binder: even doc versioning [13:09] eaglefx Binder: well i talked to kidd about ripping it off, but she said wait, and lets see still if it has any value [13:09] toto Sonnenkern: is it a lite version of the enterprise [13:09] eaglefx Binder: well it is a freeversion [13:09] toto Sonnenkern: nice [13:09] toto Sonnenkern: maybe i will test it [13:09]  Tiffany Sicling: oh yea [13:10] eaglefx Binder: i created all users in that site [13:10] ARADTech KoolKam is Online [13:10] Tiffany Sicling: I forgot [13:10] eaglefx Binder: but they need to login [13:10] eaglefx Binder: and change thair email address [13:10] Tiffany Sicling: what things do we want to do before next meeting ? [13:10] Tim Prowse is Online [13:10] eaglefx Binder: well new agends, i can wrrite and where should i tbe next [13:10] eaglefx Binder: on a HG suggested [13:11] eaglefx Binder: standalone [13:11] eaglefx Binder: but where? [13:12] Tiffany Sicling: I always want to help [13:12] eaglefx Binder: i can set up a HG pretty quick on a turbo server [13:12] toto Sonnenkern: eagle of have set it up under linux? [13:12] eaglefx Binder: but my link could ba a hassle [13:12] toto Sonnenkern: the kablink system [13:12] eaglefx Binder: yes [13:12] Tiffany Sicling: I have one at neo.dontexist.net:9000 [13:12] Warin Cascabel: If I can figure out why my standalone isn't letting me fully connect, I'll offer mine for a meeting site. [13:12] eaglefx Binder: ok we can make a few options then. [13:12] eaglefx Binder: yours HG Tiff! [13:13] eaglefx Binder: orhers that wanna get thair region crashed ? [13:13] eaglefx Binder: lol [13:13] eaglefx Binder: well lets test the one i have then that can be an option too [13:13] Richardus Raymaker: untilmy conenction is ok. uhh no betetr wait. [13:13] toto Sonnenkern: which on is running iCEcore Conference or Kablink Teaming ?or need i both packets? [13:13] eaglefx Binder: 1 Mbps should be enough for 5 av's [13:14]  Richardus Raymaker: i just lost for some reason access to vps. [13:14] eaglefx Binder: can we take that after toto? [13:14] toto Sonnenkern: ok sorry eagle [13:14] eaglefx Binder: i will be happy ot tell ;) [13:14]  Richardus Raymaker: wich region. else i co somewhere else [13:14]  eaglefx Binder: well we can select tiffs as primary and have a backup [13:14]  eaglefx Binder: or here on OSG [13:14]  Tiffany Sicling: secondlife://neo.dontexist.net:9000/ [13:14]  Tiffany Sicling: brb [13:14]  eaglefx Binder: ok [13:15]  eaglefx Binder: i noted that [13:15]  eaglefx Binder: Okay guys if you wanna i can create you as well on the Collab site warin and Toto [13:15]  eaglefx Binder: we can see if it is of any good [13:15]  Warin Cascabel: Sounds good. [13:16]  eaglefx Binder: and if not we crash it [13:16]  toto Sonnenkern: yes [13:16]  toto Sonnenkern: ty [13:16]  eaglefx Binder: it was more that Wikis is not always the best way of communication ;) [13:16] eaglefx Binder: i will give you the information laters then [13:17] Warin Cascabel: OK [13:17]  toto Sonnenkern is Online [13:17] eaglefx Binder: thanks [13:17] eaglefx Binder: Okay cool [13:17] eaglefx Binder: we are thru [13:17] Tiffany Sicling: bak [13:17] eaglefx Binder: wb Tiffy [13:17] JayMaze Yao is Offline [13:17] eaglefx Binder: ok so we selcet your HG tiff [13:17] eaglefx Binder: as next wed [13:17] eaglefx Binder: yes i will [13:17] Warin Cascabel: Seconded. [13:18] Tiffany Sicling: and most of the lab parts [13:18] eaglefx Binder: yes [13:18] Richardus Raymaker: yes [13:18] eaglefx Binder: i will make a note maybe on it first and hand out, thats what Team Kablink is good for [13:18] eaglefx Binder: i make it out on here and u can check it up [13:19]  eaglefx Binder: Ok [13:19]  eaglefx Binder: ur HG then tiff next time? [13:19] eaglefx Binder: same time of day [13:19] Tiffany Sicling: sure [13:20] Tiffany Sicling: This is where I went and back secondlife://neo.dontexist.net:9000/ [13:20] eaglefx Binder: ok [13:20]  Richardus Raymaker: ok [13:20]  Richardus Raymaker: back is then to my home [13:20] eaglefx Binder: ok guys [13:20] eaglefx Binder: if you have time left it would be geat if we can crash this [13:20] eaglefx Binder: secondlife://opensimhg.sunredbeach.com:9000/ [13:20] Warin Cascabel: See you there. [13:20] eaglefx Binder: Ok

Meeting Ended.