Chat log from the meeting on 2015-05-26

[11:02] Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: Huhu Rich, Huhu Neb :-) [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: hello [11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi neb, sheera,m [11:03]  BlueWall Slade: Hello [11:04]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002 waves [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: hello :) [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: i remembered to restart the region today [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: just in time too it finished starting up with like 1 minute to spare [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: light attendnace today it seems, maybe people catching up from the holiday [11:06] BlueWall Slade missed it [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: Aine I saw you posted on divas mantis thread that your inventory is working good now? [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: that is good news [11:07] BlueWall Slade: ++ [11:07] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: yes, it's extremely fast and so far not a single case of it hitching on me [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: nice [11:07] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: and that's with about 30-40 logins [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: hello Skye and Dahlia :) [11:08]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi [11:08]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: so I think if it were going to happen it would have by now [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: ya when i made 3000 test links in my inventory [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: it took almos 3 hours to get to about 95% downloaded [11:08]  Skye Goodfellow: Good afternoon. [11:08]  Pebbles Flintstone: good afternoon [11:08]  BlueWall Slade: Hello [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: after the fix took about 1.5 minutes [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Pebbles [11:08]  Skye Goodfellow: Perhaps I can get some help from one of you? [11:08]  Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: AFK for a while ... [11:08]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: well....in my *own* self-hosted region 21k inventory took <120 seconds to fetch [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: nice [11:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: But i did it other not smooth movement problem. like i have seen with terrai to. something seems to be in the whole opensim code. with parameters fast my prim is not moving smooth. tried to view it in video http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7580 [11:08] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: vs previously on the rare occasion it didn't hang it would take 20+ momutes [11:09] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: so it's a drastic improvement [11:09] RegionReady v4: Region Ready Processed on SeaPrior Plaza @ 2015-05-26T18:09:50.8279920Z UTC [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: hmm it doesnt seem that much different than SL Richarus [11:09] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: Richardus, I saw that but was afraid to post any "observations" since I didn't want Diva to get pissed off at me [11:09]  Pebbles Flintstone: Is anything up with the asset servers? a lot of people at LBSA are reporting missing things in inventory [11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what have diva todo with that. it's the problem i have seen and found in more parts. it seems to like me because it's coming always back [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: heh its ok to post Observations Aine, I dont ink diva was upset with you on that mantis [11:10] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: llSetPrimitiveParams* isn't meant to be used for smooth movement [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: it was someone else who was posting nonsense really [11:11] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: well apparently if you report what you experience it's "chatter" and makes the report be ignore [11:11] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: *ignored [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: well that mantis got out of hand [11:11] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: well, KeyFramneMotion start to annoy me. becasue opensim scripting is not as good as SL so it just works only short right. and pos is reliable send the same amount of updates. [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: it was like 8000 comments [11:11] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the 2nd one with 4 posts in it? [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: that was a continuation of the first one [11:12] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: and there no other good movement commands. [11:12] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: no, the new one from AI [11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe I didnt see that one I don't know [11:12] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: AI is trying to provide details about what is happening but apparently that's not desired [11:12] BlueWall Slade: what is the # Aine [11:13] BlueWall Slade: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/my_view_page.php ?? [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: well try not to take things personally, just need to be objective and concise is all [11:13] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=7567 [11:13] BlueWall Slade: oops [11:13] BlueWall Slade: yeah, ok thanks [11:13] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: Diva: "It's absolutely unhelpful to dump a bunch of random observations or beliefs regarding a particular commit. The signal to noise ratio becomes very low. The more I see reporters wandering off the main issue in a mantis, the less I pay attention. You may feel that you are helping by adding more information, but information is not always helpful, and in many cases it is actually unhelpful because it adds noise and distracts from the real issue. " [11:13] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: so [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: well if you have something that pertains to the problem at hand then its fine to post it, but I kind of have to agree with diva on that paritcular post, it seemed like Ai was posting info thats not really related to the problem [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: but don't take what diva says personally either [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: thats just her opinion [11:15] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: She was probably a bit annoyed at the time. I would need to take that comment with a grain of salt. [11:15] BlueWall Slade: there was more ... So if your goal is for me to pay attention, please do what I say. Again, I'm *this* close to stop paying attention to this particular mantis if people don't stay on focus of what has been originally described by Ai. [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: it is not the rule of law [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: and again her frustration mostly carrying over from that gigantically long out of control mantis [11:16] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it's shame we don';t have ketframemotion command that works with coordinates. move from .. to ... would make things so much more easy [11:16] BlueWall Slade: The purpose of the mantis is to collect information, but it is good to really focus on the single issue to narrow things down to a particular spot. [11:16] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002 whispers: in that "out of control" [11:17] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: movetotarget would be good. if it hold's the stable speed and not start and stop slow [11:17] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: in that "out of control" Mantis we were supplying information because Justin had specifically requested it a year ago when we were first discussing the issue [11:17] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: ~ hallo ~ [11:17] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: the nothing happened with it for many, many months [11:17] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: so then it all looks like spam [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: yea I know, just try not to take it personally Aine [11:17] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi [11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: she is not saying that you are not allowed to [11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi [11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: she is just saying that when a mantis gets flooded with comments [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: developers tend to stop looking [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: and its counter productive [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: likely why justin stopped looking [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: to be frank [11:18] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: tl;dr effect [11:18] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: kk [11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: devs will gripe [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: just something we have to deal with [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: if you have trouble with a particular dev [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: you can always come to me [11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: and let me be the buffer [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: you know I am good at that [11:19] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: we seldom get paid so we deserve to gripe :) [11:19]  BlueWall Slade: in a case where it is said that commit # so and so I see this thing happeing now, there should be attached a git bisect log [11:19]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: a book "understanding devs" for dummies could be usefull sometimes :) [11:19] BlueWall Slade: Actually we never get paid [11:19] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: it's just frustrating to try to be a useful reporter, to then be asked for more specific details, and then have your ass chewed out for providing too much information [11:19] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: so take your pick [11:19] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: well on rare occasion some get paid [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: well I dont think her intention was to chew anyone out [11:20] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: what hapens in OSG ? [11:20] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ? [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: diva just isnt the most diplomatic person [11:20] BlueWall Slade: Aine - can you team with someone that knows how to maneuver around git? [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: she is very straight forward [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: and lacking time [11:20] BlueWall Slade: You have a knack for spotting things [11:20] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I could [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: just don't take it personally [11:20] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: but what's the point at this juncture? [11:20] BlueWall Slade: but, (don't be offended) you sometimes drift to other areas. [11:21] BlueWall Slade: << that is simply looking for an answer I guess. [11:21] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I have open *serious* Mantis reports from 2+ years ago that are still open and as far as I know have never been looked at [11:21]  BlueWall Slade: But this is all complicated as hell [11:21] BlueWall Slade: and it really helps to narrow things down to a particular spot if at all possible... [11:22]  BlueWall Slade: Because we are all very busy ... [11:22]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Aine, there are very few of us and most of us do this in our spare time and are unpaid. We can't spend time on every mantis [11:22] BlueWall Slade: And when we ahve time to dig into this, it really helps to have very concise reports that can focus us into the trouble spot. [11:23] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: that's why it's open source [11:23] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: so the community can help [11:24] BlueWall Slade: I am fortunate to be working in an OpenSim related position right now so I can keep being involved in this, but it is a startup with really limited funds adn I make very little and I usually go 12-18 hours a day [11:24] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yiks [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Nice on one hand. Sucks on the other. [11:24] BlueWall Slade: I suppose others in this field are the same boat, (unless in government funded situations) [11:25] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I can't focus on anything for 12-18 hours a day for long, my mind just goes elsewhere and I can't stop it [11:25]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Did you finaly got your test setup finished bluewall ? [11:25] BlueWall Slade: So what time we have cna't be spent reading throgh milions of lines of code guided by 500 unrelated comments in a mantis. [11:25] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: It's hard this days to focus on anything [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: yea there are a lot more bugs than there are devs [11:26] BlueWall Slade: lol Dahlia, me too sometimes [11:26] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: bugs piling up... [11:26] BlueWall Slade: we accept good patches [11:26] BlueWall Slade: we allow users to create documentation on the wiki. [11:26] BlueWall Slade: we are here almost every week. [11:26] BlueWall Slade: But ... [11:26] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: and if patches aren't so good we usually try to help people make them better [11:27] BlueWall Slade: back to the main topic. Aine, you are good at finding bugs and some are good at debugging. [11:27] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: unfortunately sometimes this is viewed in a negative light, but it really isn't [11:27]  BlueWall Slade: teamwork is needed so we can all move forward. [11:27] BlueWall Slade: I have been tlaking to some about Hypergrid issues. [11:28] BlueWall Slade: And I am thinking about how we can make teams to debug and focus on trouble spots. [11:28] BlueWall Slade: So, any suggestions about how we can organize debugging teams? [11:28] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I'm sure SL has quite a few Jira entries which are never addressed ;) [11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: yea there is probably about 1000 open bug reports on mantis right now [11:28]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oops dahlia [11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: some are dupes of course [11:28]  BlueWall Slade: HAH, the 4096 bug I reported there was just closed "Will not fix" [11:29]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sadly yes dahlia [11:29]  Andrew Hellershanks: The first step is getting people that know enough about the source tree [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: I wish I had more time myself, I dont have the time I used to [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: trying to prevent homelessness [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:29]  BlueWall Slade: no kidding [11:29]  BlueWall Slade: really [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: I have been really damn close a few times [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:29] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: LL never fixt the UI scaling bug. TPV some did. but LL, put head in the sand. and im afraid new grids make the same mistakes [11:30] BlueWall Slade: I like the way the Linux Kernel devs do [11:30]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: how is that? [11:30] BlueWall Slade: they have (I think) people that are working in their different areas, then people submit patches to them [11:31] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: are there some changes in the config-files in latest Version ???? [11:31] Nebadon Izumi goes into Linux mode and starts screaming and cursing at everyone [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: Linus mode* [11:31] BlueWall Slade: Linus has the repo, I think [11:31] BlueWall Slade: we have more than one committer which is good. [11:31] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: ya but they also have a lot more devs [11:31] BlueWall Slade: but, they ahve that flow that seems to work [11:31] BlueWall Slade: yeah, that too Dahlia [11:31] BlueWall Slade: We have run off some good ones in the past [11:31] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: are there some changes in the config-files in latest Version ???? [11:32] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hi everyone :) [11:32]  BlueWall Slade: Hi Alicia [11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what version did you use before ? [11:32]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: somehow it's a status symbol to have one's name as a linux contributor, not so much for us unfortunately :/ [11:32]  Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: i mean the latest Version [11:32]  Nebadon Izumi contemplates a name change [11:32]  Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: 2 Days ago [11:32]  BlueWall Slade: Dahlia, I was using web to dev applications for a good while before everybody wanted it :) [11:33] BlueWall Slade: Maybe this is a little more complicates and takes longer to get more users? [11:33] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: ok# [11:34] BlueWall Slade: complicated** [11:34] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: i make Update when ever it comes, but since the latest its fuck up ! [11:34] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: did you compared the ini's [11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: you would need to diff your ini files against the latest Basil [11:35] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: yes [11:35] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: thats my question [11:35] Nebadon Izumi: I cant really think of any recent breaking ini changes though [11:35] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: are there changes in the .ini's [11:35]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: not since OSSL perms got moved [11:35] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: that's the last ini change I can think of [11:35]  Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: ok, thanks [11:35] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: other than a couple tweaks to values in opensimdefaults.ini [11:36] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: last time I changed any region ini was for the ossl perms [11:36] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: i can login to my region [11:36] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: but TP from Lbsa to my region isnt posible [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: 0.8/0 to 0.8.1 I think there were some additions to the ini files [11:36] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: since then, too, Andrew [11:37] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: 0.8 to 0.8.1 need new ini files [11:37] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: i now [11:37] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: but lasts change that required a user in adjustment was when osslEnable.ini was added [11:37] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: or at least compare and add the misisng parts or replace [11:38] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: 0.8.1 is History lool [11:38] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Not for me [11:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: I ran diffs on the ini and found some new settings. Most everything else stayed the same. [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: what exactly are you experiencing Basil? [11:38] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: cause i cant TP to my Region from Lbsa or from Wright [11:39] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: on the new version [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: What version are you running? [11:40] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: the latest [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: latest released code or git master? [11:40] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: 0.8.2 bla bla [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: ok [11:40]  Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: .net [11:40] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: WIN -stupid [11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: Grrr... darn cat is calling for me again. *sighs* bbiab [11:41] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.8.2.0 Dev        abb3bb6: 2015-05-23 08:14:28 -0400 (Unix/Mono) [11:41] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: last time i tried to tp from here to my grid it failed, i had to go to another os region first before i could tp out [11:42] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: TRUE [11:42] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: !!!!!! [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: hmm are you on DHCP Basil [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: does your IP address change a lot? [11:42] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: no [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: ok just wondering [11:42] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: my IP is constant [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: there have been some problems with that [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: I cant think of any reason in configuration why you wouldnt be able to get from Lbsa or Wright Plaza [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: that is wierd [11:43] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: ok, we'll see...it will be fixt [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: yea let me know how that goes [11:43] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: The only time i hav eseen Teleport problems where when i change domain name settings. parts on internet where still remember the old settings. day later it woirked fine [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: yea thats the DHCP problem i was thinking of Richardus [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: its a problem with newer monos [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: I am contemplating downgrading mono [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: there seem to be other issues maybe as well on these plazas [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: with very high memory usage on mono 4 [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: which is wierd [11:44] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: now i run my own Grid, works fine... [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: because none of my own regions do it [11:44]  Nebadon Izumi: only the plazas [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: must be something with high traffic [11:46] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I've been experiencing an interesting new HG-bug.....if a script in the region I'm visiting throws an error *I* see it, even though it's not my script [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: hmm have you experienced that on viewers other than Firestorm? [11:47] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: haven't tested that [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: would be good if you can [11:47] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Hmm, i think i have seen that in SL to. but not sure [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: I have a feeling that is either a firestorm bug [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: or something in the newer code [11:47] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I haven't tried mono 4 but 3.99.x had the best memory use I've ever seen in any mono so far [11:47] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: and i use FS in SL [11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: that might effect all the latest v3 based viewers [11:47] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: Firestorm Viewer nows not mutch about Opensim lool [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: I dont think its happening with Replex or Singularity though [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: its likely something changed on the newer LL code [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: that we are not accounting for [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: maybe serialization or something changed [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: something out of order [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: so everyone sees it [11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: I know they are changing stuff in some radical ways [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: unfortunately they dont always announce they are either [11:49] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i get the feeling the try to implement some sansar stuff in SL or at least the look and feel [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: so we find out after stuff starts acting funny [11:51] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: what about Melanie Thielker, whats her profesion in OSG ? [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: OSgrid? [11:51] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: yes [11:51] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: she is Avination, not OSG [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: She just volunteers to help out like all of us do [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: ya she has her own grid Avination [11:52] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: she's helping out with the asset servers, if that's what you mean [11:52] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: but i saw developing at files [11:52] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: from her [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: you mean OpenSim in general? [11:52] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: yes [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: Melanie is one of the top commiters to opensimulator [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: she hasnt been as active lately but she has commited a good bit of code [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: shes worked on a lot of stuff [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: xengine, permissions issues [11:53] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: but in Avination is mutch trouble [11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uhuh. i hav eread [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: don't know I doubt many of us here use Avination [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: Avination is serving a nitch purpose [11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i looked there in the past. need to admit not loked much there anymore [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: its definitley not really representative to this project as a whole [11:54] Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: ok# [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: its competing directly with SL [11:54]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it looked empty there [11:54] BlueWall Slade: what different grids do is not really much to do with OpenSim [11:54] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: except prims [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: Richardus most OpenSim grids look empty [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: that doesnt mean they arent being used though [11:55] BlueWall Slade: OpenSim is just the core "operating" system the everybody modifies for their onwn ends. [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: Aine, I've seen script exceptions for scripts that aren't mine in 0.8.0 so it isn't a new issue. [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: heck i got o SL [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: and i'll be damned if i can find anyone [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: that isnt just standing there doing nothing [11:55] BlueWall Slade: Contributions come back from different workd like Avination to teh project though. [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: honestly I have more luck finding people on OSgrid than I do in SL [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:56] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: @Andrew: I don't recall having experienced it in the past although I could be mistaken.....been seeing it a lot in the last few weeks [11:56] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Hmm, you do sometyhing wrong neb :O [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: well to be fair most of the places in SL with people [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: i wouldnt touch with a 10 foot prim [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: not my kind of fun [11:57] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002 hands Neb a box od surgical gloves [11:57] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: they have 64 meter prims in SL now :) [11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: most of the places that seem interesting to me are void of people [11:57]  Basil.Sosides @basil.selfhost.me:8002: thanks a lot for Info, see you next wekk...bye [11:57]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: try a 200 foot prim neb [11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: no problem Basil [11:57]  BlueWall Slade: bye [11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: see ya [11:57]  Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: (prims are measured in meters ;)) [11:58] BlueWall Slade: ohm meters [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Aine, I've seen it recently and I'm mostly using Singularity. Not sure why I was seeing the errors. Could be a viewer bug that shows everyone the debug channel regardless of whose script it was that tossed a debug message. [11:58] BlueWall Slade: resistance is futile [11:59] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah meters, that's readable [11:59] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: could even be a "feature" of some kind [11:59] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: inteersting....so if you're seeing it with Sing then it's more likely something in the new V3 code [11:59] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: or something that got borked recently in OS code [11:59] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I only seem to see it when HGed so far though [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Could be. I run Singularity Alpha most of the time but I use Phoenix Firestorm sometimes as Sing messed up voice chat (yet again) [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: AIne, I'd say its more likely viewer related as I see it in 0.8.0 OS [12:02]  Andrew Hellershanks: seen it with 0.8.0 [12:03] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: okies...well I'm off to try to do something vaguely productive...have a good week all [12:03] Nebadon Izumi: ok see you Aine [12:03] BlueWall Slade: take care Aine [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: I have code changes to make to a project but I can't use XP on my machine to build the code so I've been trying to find a way around that. [12:04] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Andrew XP in virtual machine ? [12:04] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh you use linux ? [12:05] UUID Speaker: Prodyck.Theas @ipsofacto.ddns.net: 74c854bd-98ff-42f9-94d6-c5a13d2caba2 [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, yup. Most of the time I'm in Linux. [12:05] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: still can use virtualbox with xp [12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: VM perhaps but I'd have to copy over the compiler tools, and the source code for the project and a support library. [12:06] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: bye all :) [12:06]  BlueWall Slade: bye Dahlia [12:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: bye dahlia [12:06]  Sarah Kline: bye [12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: bye, Dahlia