Chat log from the meeting on 2014-11-04

[2014/11/04 10:31] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [2014/11/04 10:52] Nebadon Izumi: hello Marcus [2014/11/04 10:52] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: they are coming [2014/11/04 10:52] Marcus Llewellyn: Heya Neb :) [2014/11/04 10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Vegaslon [2014/11/04 10:53]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: hey [2014/11/04 10:53]  Marcus Llewellyn: Hey jcc :) [2014/11/04 10:53] Nebadon Izumi: hey Justin [2014/11/04 10:53] Justin Clark-Casey: hey folks [2014/11/04 10:53] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow that airship is nice [2014/11/04 10:53] Nebadon Izumi: why dont you unpack that osgrid avatar i sent you [2014/11/04 10:53] Nebadon Izumi: and then put staff shirt on with that avatar [2014/11/04 10:53] Justin Clark-Casey: one moment, want to check console stuff [2014/11/04 10:53] Nebadon Izumi: ok [2014/11/04 10:53]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 10:53] Marcus Llewellyn: He's got a new shirt on. That's like... amazing progress right there! ;) [2014/11/04 10:53] Nebadon Izumi: lol [2014/11/04 10:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 10:54]  Marcus Llewellyn: Hey Blue [2014/11/04 10:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hello [2014/11/04 10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi bluewall [2014/11/04 10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: neb: will some users of the conference grid have scripts in their attachments active? [2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: only local users in presenters group [2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: everyone else will not be able to run scripts [2014/11/04 10:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok. But they will also run on keynotes? [2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: who? [2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: presenters? [2014/11/04 10:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes [2014/11/04 10:55]  Nebadon Izumi: only presenters group members with presenters group active can [2014/11/04 10:55]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: the streaming team has camera huds? [2014/11/04 10:55] Nebadon Izumi: make sure you activate Presenters [2014/11/04 10:55] Nebadon Izumi: no need to have staff active anymore [2014/11/04 10:56] Marcus Llewellyn: Streaming team is part of the Presenters group. [2014/11/04 10:56] Nebadon Izumi: yes vegaslon [2014/11/04 10:56] Nebadon Izumi: we have an awesome hud this year [2014/11/04 10:56] Justin Clark-Casey: did you rez zomsthing a mionute ago? [2014/11/04 10:56] Nebadon Izumi: it will be available to everyone as a freebie [2014/11/04 10:56] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 10:56]  Nebadon Izumi: havent rezzed anythining since ive been here [2014/11/04 10:56] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: better then that bojan hud? [2014/11/04 10:57] Nebadon Izumi: not sure what Bojan hud is [2014/11/04 10:57]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: bijocam [2014/11/04 10:57] Nebadon Izumi: actually justin [2014/11/04 10:57] Nebadon Izumi: oh nevermind i fixed it [2014/11/04 10:57]  Nebadon Izumi: last week this region was set so anyone could run scripts [2014/11/04 10:57] Nebadon Izumi: either I or Fleep turned that off [2014/11/04 10:57] Nebadon Izumi: so nevermind :) [2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: did you move cache for this region as well or just keynotes? [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: just Keynotes [2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: we could clear this region cache [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: right now if you want [2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: no don't worry [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: ok [2014/11/04 10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: hmm actually, if it's very simple might as well [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: ok [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec [2014/11/04 10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: we should all rebake once im done [2014/11/04 10:59]  Mata Hari: @Neb, came across another instance of the "denied" teleport like the one you and I experienced but it was apparently because the other *grid* cached my old port number so it was trying to connect to 10000 instead of 9100 in spite of the map search being correct [2014/11/04 10:59] Nebadon Izumi: ok everyone rebake [2014/11/04 10:59] Justin Clark-Casey: can oscc vip run attachment scripts? [2014/11/04 10:59] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 10:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok because it appears to be happening [2014/11/04 10:59] Mata Hari: when the user at that end did console unlink aine.x64.me:10000 it cleared it from the grid's cache and he was able to tp [2014/11/04 10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: where? [2014/11/04 10:59] Justin Clark-Casey: if you look a bit furthe rup in console, I think scripts in mata hari's objects [2014/11/04 11:00] Mata Hari: that was between Seth's standalone and mine [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: scripts alwaysn compile [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: but they dont run [2014/11/04 11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: garter chain, pony tail [2014/11/04 11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: don't we expect to see yellow warnings when they don't run? I see that elsewhere [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: not that i recall [2014/11/04 11:00] Mata Hari: oh yes, I have a couple scripts in what I'm wearing...sorry [2014/11/04 11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: mata: do you know if they are working right now? [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: when you have it so only group can run scripts [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: no errors should be generated [2014/11/04 11:00] Mata Hari: let me check [2014/11/04 11:00] Nebadon Izumi: that would be insanity [2014/11/04 11:00] Mata Hari: nope, they aren't [2014/11/04 11:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have definitely seen errors though for taht kind of thing [2014/11/04 11:01] Justin Clark-Casey: ok [2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: yes [2014/11/04 11:01] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: hello :) [2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: maybe it was for local avatars only... [2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi alicia [2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: its probably when a HG user tries to rez a scripted object [2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: ah... mata isn't hg! [2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont think attachments fail the same way [2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: in this case I'm on local account [2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: did you log in directly here? [2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok good, that explains what I#'m seeing [2014/11/04 11:01]  Nebadon Izumi: Mata probably has god powers [2014/11/04 11:01]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi all [2014/11/04 11:01]  Mata Hari: I parked myself here earlier in the day [2014/11/04 11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: level 100 [2014/11/04 11:02] Mata Hari: then logged in directly [2014/11/04 11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: Seeing console messages I would only expect for a direct login :) [2014/11/04 11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok, cool [2014/11/04 11:02]  Mata Hari: kk...glad mystery is solved [2014/11/04 11:02]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online [2014/11/04 11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: you guys see the OpenSim blimp circling us? [2014/11/04 11:03]  Mata Hari: at any rate, why does the grid need to cache (permanently) the IP and port that someone tped to in the past? [2014/11/04 11:03]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: yes it is very nice [2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: thats one of the MetaQuest prizes :) [2014/11/04 11:03] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: now i see [2014/11/04 11:03] Marcus Llewellyn: Nifty :) [2014/11/04 11:03]  Mata Hari: or, if it needs to cache it, does that cache *have* to be pulled and overide a current tp attempt? [2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: http://conference.opensimulator.org/2014/program/openmetaquest/ [2014/11/04 11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Andrew and Jak [2014/11/04 11:04]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: cached where, in a landmark? [2014/11/04 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: wow. This region rezzed a lot faster than it usually does when I HG TP to here. [2014/11/04 11:04]  Jak Daniels: Hi [2014/11/04 11:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi jak [2014/11/04 11:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: its fast with hg todo to [2014/11/04 11:04]  Mata Hari: let me check which table it's in [2014/11/04 11:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: Hello everyone [2014/11/04 11:04]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi andrew [2014/11/04 11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: or perhaps in a griduser table? [2014/11/04 11:04] Nebadon Izumi: cool Richardus, better than normal? [2014/11/04 11:04] Marcus Llewellyn: I think a night of dining and dancing with Nebadon should be one of the prizes. >:) [2014/11/04 11:05] Nebadon Izumi: lol [2014/11/04 11:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: What are you trying to findinone of the tables? [2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: lol marcus [2014/11/04 11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm.. its hard to say. last time i popped late in when it where more full [2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps if you cover your travel expesnes ;) [2014/11/04 11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: and buy the dinner ;) [2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: the taqble is regions [2014/11/04 11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: as long as its sushi and break dancing im game [2014/11/04 11:05]  Marcus Llewellyn: In world, of course. lol [2014/11/04 11:05]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it feeled faster [2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: oh right, you mean hg link caching [2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:05]  Nebadon Izumi breaks out the cardboard matt [2014/11/04 11:05]  Mata Hari: and it's persists forever [2014/11/04 11:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: mata: possibly taht's a an implementation weakness [2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: so it you attempt to tp there after a port change it will fail [2014/11/04 11:06]  Justin Clark-Casey nods [2014/11/04 11:06]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, soujnds like we should really clean them up [2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: it requires a console unlink command to remove it [2014/11/04 11:06]  Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:06] Mata Hari: maybe only allow it to persist until shutdown? [2014/11/04 11:06] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: did you drop prims there? [2014/11/04 11:06] Mata Hari: no [2014/11/04 11:06]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 11:06] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok [2014/11/04 11:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Is there some teleport device with your region on it there? [2014/11/04 11:07] Mata Hari: I have OSCC entries in that table for my HG account, for instance [2014/11/04 11:07] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: hi [2014/11/04 11:07]  Mata Hari: nope [2014/11/04 11:07] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok [2014/11/04 11:07]  Mata Hari: all it takes is tping there [2014/11/04 11:07] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi [2014/11/04 11:07]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hi Dahlia [2014/11/04 11:08] Mata Hari: the strange thing is it only happens with certain destinations [2014/11/04 11:08] Mata Hari: I've tped to a dozen different regions in Metro and there's no Metro entry [2014/11/04 11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, hypergrid linking inserts an entry [2014/11/04 11:08] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I have a region that I have teleported out of that has no other regionslisted. [2014/11/04 11:08] Mata Hari: but I have 2 entries for OSCC [2014/11/04 11:08] Mata Hari: and 1 for AVW [2014/11/04 11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: I would guess as an effective cache so that there isn't repeated lookup, though I doubt it makes a huge difference with all the other requests.... [2014/11/04 11:08] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: maybe it was restarted since then [2014/11/04 11:09] Mata Hari: it's been restarted dozens of times since the last time I tped to OSCC [2014/11/04 11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: the entries are identical? [2014/11/04 11:09] Mata Hari: it persists permanently [2014/11/04 11:09] Mata Hari: 55a5b0cf-9d1d-4f30-8dcf-b25de6eeae69 1367792464953344 http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ temp1 7975857349740800 cc.opensimulator.org 0 http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ [2014/11/04 11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: those are entries to two different sims [2014/11/04 11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: regions [2014/11/04 11:10] Mata Hari: those recods have been there for a couple months at least [2014/11/04 11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: happens sometimes, after a while a double HG dissapears [2014/11/04 11:10] Mata Hari: yes...that's in regions table [2014/11/04 11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm [2014/11/04 11:10] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: the region I just came here from has a linked region [2014/11/04 11:10] Mata Hari: and if you ever changed port I would never be able to tp until I delete those entries [2014/11/04 11:10] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, those entries should not persist [2014/11/04 11:11] Mata Hari: so for average use that could be something of an issue [2014/11/04 11:11] Justin Clark-Casey: I kind of doubt their value tbh but don't fully know the itnernals [2014/11/04 11:11] Justin Clark-Casey: I know there was also an option to peramentnly link a region [2014/11/04 11:11] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: not sure if avarage user is going to use linmk. not see much in link still for myself [2014/11/04 11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: brb... cat is making a fuss [2014/11/04 11:11] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Maybe that is is jcc - I loose them over time, or restarts here [2014/11/04 11:11] Justin Clark-Casey: link came from the early hypergrid days [2014/11/04 11:11] Mata Hari: I have never linked to OSCC [2014/11/04 11:11] Mata Hari: yet there are 2 entries there [2014/11/04 11:12] Justin Clark-Casey: I would think entires get inserted on tp [2014/11/04 11:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - did you do a map search for it? [2014/11/04 11:12] Mata Hari: so something else is triggering it being storec [2014/11/04 11:12] Justin Clark-Casey: you do not need to explicitly link [2014/11/04 11:12] Mata Hari: yes, that was map search [2014/11/04 11:12] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, map serach probably does it [2014/11/04 11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have such entries myself [2014/11/04 11:12] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok, there should be a link there [2014/11/04 11:12] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: a map search will link a region [2014/11/04 11:12] Mata Hari: it needs to not persist beyond perhaps sim restart [2014/11/04 11:12] Justin Clark-Casey: and I have never explicitly created a link [2014/11/04 11:12] Mata Hari: if that url changes it's a problem [2014/11/04 11:13] Justin Clark-Casey: sure [2014/11/04 11:13] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I notice when I log into my own grid, then teleport here, then go back to my own grid I cant use the map to teleport to any other regions on my grid [2014/11/04 11:13] Mata Hari: not that it happens all that often, but it does happen (particularly with smaller HG standalone installs) [2014/11/04 11:13] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: it says something like invalid regions [2014/11/04 11:13] Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:13] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I need to relog to get it to work [2014/11/04 11:13] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I havent' seen that [2014/11/04 11:13] Mata Hari: it thinks you're still in OSCC [2014/11/04 11:13] Andrew Hellershanks is back [2014/11/04 11:13] Mata Hari: you have to relog to clear that [2014/11/04 11:14] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: but the map is my grid [2014/11/04 11:14] Mata Hari: yeah...it's bizarre [2014/11/04 11:14] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok, I just restarted the region I came here from - no linked regions [2014/11/04 11:14] Nebadon Izumi: wait is the problem you have a persistant hypergrid link on map search? [2014/11/04 11:14] Mata Hari: I've encountered that though, but not enough to reliably reproduce it [2014/11/04 11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: are you running Divas Distro and Wifi? [2014/11/04 11:14] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: So, there is somehting you are doing different to make them persist [2014/11/04 11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: I thoguht just tp would get them to persist..... [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: perhaps you made a hard Hypergrid link with Wifi [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 11:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: although there's also a possibilty that a region crash might fail to clean them up or something... [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: if you restart region they get cleared [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: but [2014/11/04 11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: I didn't think tht was the case though [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: you can program hard HG links in via Divas wifi [2014/11/04 11:15] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: map search, osTeleportAgent, Picks, landmarks [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: those never go away [2014/11/04 11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: right, though I have link entries and I never constructed such hard links [2014/11/04 11:15] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Nebadon, I'm running core opensim, not diva [2014/11/04 11:15] Mata Hari: Neb...if you changed the OSCC to port 9002 at some point in the future I would not be able to tp to anywhere in OSCC until I delete all references from that table that contain the old port [2014/11/04 11:15] Nebadon Izumi: what table? [2014/11/04 11:16] Mata Hari: regions [2014/11/04 11:16] Nebadon Izumi: map search entries dont get stored [2014/11/04 11:16] Nebadon Izumi: so not sure what you mean [2014/11/04 11:16] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata, do you have some setting in your ini to persist them? [2014/11/04 11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: it's happening somehow sometimes, I've got them myself [2014/11/04 11:16] Mata Hari: afaik, no [2014/11/04 11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: even after a restart? [2014/11/04 11:16] Mata Hari: and I only have 3 entries [2014/11/04 11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: yes [2014/11/04 11:16] Nebadon Izumi: odd [2014/11/04 11:16] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: They go away here after I restart my rtegion [2014/11/04 11:16] Nebadon Izumi: ive never experienced that [2014/11/04 11:16] Mata Hari: Seth (who had the issue) checked and had 50+ entires in there [2014/11/04 11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: this is on the service console [2014/11/04 11:17] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: region console [2014/11/04 11:17] Mata Hari: maybe a race condition causes it not to clear when it should? [2014/11/04 11:17] Nebadon Izumi: a restart should clear it though [2014/11/04 11:17] Mata Hari: nope [2014/11/04 11:17] Nebadon Izumi: then its not a race condition [2014/11/04 11:17] Mata Hari: or not reliably anyway [2014/11/04 11:17] Nebadon Izumi: those should only be in memory [2014/11/04 11:17] Nebadon Izumi: i dont think they get stored in the db [2014/11/04 11:17]  Nebadon Izumi: do they? [2014/11/04 11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: who knows. WIthout looking it's pointless guesswork [2014/11/04 11:17] Mata Hari nods [2014/11/04 11:18] Mata Hari: I have not made a tp to OSCC since the last time I restarted my sim and I have both entries still there [2014/11/04 11:18] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: should look in your ini to see if you are persisting the links [2014/11/04 11:18] Mata Hari: so they're persisting over a restart [2014/11/04 11:18] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: this in regards to the verify identity issue on HG jumps? [2014/11/04 11:18] Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:19] Mata Hari: it says unable to verify identity and refuses the tp [2014/11/04 11:19]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: om the .8.0.2 release [2014/11/04 11:19] Mata Hari: and that's even if you're map searching the correct port [2014/11/04 11:19] Nebadon Izumi: maybe its something with friends list [2014/11/04 11:19] Nebadon Izumi: honestly changing your port is bad [2014/11/04 11:19] Nebadon Izumi: if your hypergrid [2014/11/04 11:19] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know how we could get around that [2014/11/04 11:19] Nebadon Izumi: without weaking security considerably [2014/11/04 11:20] Nebadon Izumi: allowing port change means you cant spoof check [2014/11/04 11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: theproblem is persisted links [2014/11/04 11:20] Mata Hari: I change my port because several grids just rejected my inbound tp from 10000 [2014/11/04 11:20] Nebadon Izumi: yea [2014/11/04 11:20] Mata Hari: whereas they take it from 9100 [2014/11/04 11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: on the web it's not such an issuein a way, it's not quite so critical if a link breaks [2014/11/04 11:20] Nebadon Izumi: that is another really wierd issue [2014/11/04 11:20] Nebadon Izumi: the 10000 problem [2014/11/04 11:20] Mata Hari: so if that problem didn't exist I wouldn't have changed port and wiped my friends list [2014/11/04 11:20] Nebadon Izumi: well [2014/11/04 11:21] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: didn't we say last week that that is probably some internal ISP issue? [2014/11/04 11:21] Mata Hari: however.... [2014/11/04 11:21] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: 10000 problem? [2014/11/04 11:21] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: yes [2014/11/04 11:21] Nebadon Izumi: well we were guessing [2014/11/04 11:21] Nebadon Izumi: we dont know for sure what the problem is [2014/11/04 11:21]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: it is something with .8.0.1 [2014/11/04 11:21] Mata Hari: if you set up 2 standalones in the same server, one using 9100 and one using 9200, it can also cause problems [2014/11/04 11:21] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: The only way to rule it out would be to ask them, I guess. [2014/11/04 11:21] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: people still use 0.8.0.1 ? [2014/11/04 11:22] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: metro [2014/11/04 11:22] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: hmm, how is that Mata? [2014/11/04 11:22] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oh. always use plain opensim [2014/11/04 11:22] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I run several grid, standalones here somethines in the same box. [2014/11/04 11:22] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and jumping from there to a grid on .8.0.1 doesnt generate the error in my testing [2014/11/04 11:22] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: so metro is useing a bad version with permission problem on inventory give. [2014/11/04 11:22] Mata Hari: there are a scary number of people still using 0.7.6 because HG stiff was a lot less broken in it (friends worked, groups worked, etc) [2014/11/04 11:22] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: to .8.0.2 i mean [2014/11/04 11:23] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: im running 0.8.0.2 [2014/11/04 11:23] Nebadon Izumi: really? [2014/11/04 11:23] Nebadon Izumi: HG in 0.7.6 was worthless to me [2014/11/04 11:23]  Mata Hari: most of the new HG bugs introduced since 0.7.6 are still there [2014/11/04 11:23] Nebadon Izumi: so frustrating [2014/11/04 11:23] Mata Hari: I agress [2014/11/04 11:23] Nebadon Izumi: not sure how anyone could say its better [2014/11/04 11:23] Mata Hari: but there are a lot of people out there using it [2014/11/04 11:24]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and the ripping off of all attachments is a rewal pain [2014/11/04 11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: HG worked best in opensim 0.4 [2014/11/04 11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: I swear [2014/11/04 11:24] Marcus Llewellyn: There will always be people unwilling to change their old, familiar bugs for new ones. New bugs means "broken", while old bugs means business as usual. [2014/11/04 11:24] Nebadon Izumi: lol [2014/11/04 11:24] Nebadon Izumi: ya there were no HG bugs in 0.4 at all :P [2014/11/04 11:24] Mata Hari: some of the most basic aspects of HG definitely worked better in 0.7.6 [2014/11/04 11:24] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: just TP ones? [2014/11/04 11:24] Mata Hari: friends worked [2014/11/04 11:24] Nebadon Izumi: no HG didnt exist in 0.4 lol [2014/11/04 11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: it was all better in the old days [2014/11/04 11:25] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i dont want to HG with 0.,7.6 [2014/11/04 11:25] Marcus Llewellyn: We barely had physics in 0.4 ;) [2014/11/04 11:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe [2014/11/04 11:25]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i know but tp's were the precursor [2014/11/04 11:25]  Mata Hari: but other stuff is vastly improved [2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: all i remember from back then [2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: was everyone was gas clouds [2014/11/04 11:25]  Mata Hari: hehe...yes [2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: so good luck wiht 0.7.6 [2014/11/04 11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [2014/11/04 11:25]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: OpenSim -0.1 had absolutly no bugs but I don't use it any more [2014/11/04 11:25]  Marcus Llewellyn: Bullet has been a very hard sell for me with some people unwilling to upgrade. They don't want all their old vehicle scripts broken. [2014/11/04 11:25]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ahh the good ol days when we sat in Lbsa plaza wagering whether the plaza would crash in 5 minutes or 15 ;) [2014/11/04 11:26] Nebadon Izumi: i think most people are just either to scared to upgrade afraid to break it [2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: or just being lazy [2014/11/04 11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: How about the days where prims > 10m on a side came with built-in trampolines [2014/11/04 11:26] Justin Clark-Casey: ode exists just as it did in 0.8.* [2014/11/04 11:26] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: some people keep to 0.7.6 because of vehicals, they made their scripts to handle the bugs and are angry that those bugs got fixed and broke their scripts [2014/11/04 11:26] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol [2014/11/04 11:26] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well partly too with the breaking of megas [2014/11/04 11:26] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah. YOu're damned if you fix bugsand damned if you don't sometimes :) [2014/11/04 11:26] Mata Hari: they want it (ODE) in larger regions so also means they're sticking to megas [2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: and then ppl want you to support everything for ever [2014/11/04 11:26]  Marcus Llewellyn: Yup, but just having bullet there puts a few off. Don't ask me to explain why, cuz I ca't. [2014/11/04 11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: even hacks like megas [2014/11/04 11:26]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: there's also a lot of rumors floating around about various versions [2014/11/04 11:26]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: makes me annoyed that people dont upgrade lol [2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: yea im not buying the ODE argument [2014/11/04 11:26]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: ya like the whole sitting bugs [2014/11/04 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: ODe was a mess [2014/11/04 11:26] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: fixing one bug so often creates another [2014/11/04 11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: or stops hiding another [2014/11/04 11:27] Nebadon Izumi: again laziness [2014/11/04 11:27] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: But, the rumors - do they make reports? [2014/11/04 11:27] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: wedll, someday its bye bye with mega's i guess [2014/11/04 11:27] Nebadon Izumi: people not wanting to upgrade their scripts [2014/11/04 11:27] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: var better [2014/11/04 11:27] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Any debugging efforts? [2014/11/04 11:27] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Patches? [2014/11/04 11:27] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: not wanting Meb or not knowing how [2014/11/04 11:27] Justin Clark-Casey: to be fair, the reports also pile up :) [2014/11/04 11:27]  Marcus Llewellyn: What I hear most is, "I like the old way." [2014/11/04 11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: ya megas are dead [2014/11/04 11:27]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Neb^ [2014/11/04 11:27]  Justin Clark-Casey: THere are more than enough actualo [2014/11/04 11:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: more tan enough actually reported bugs to deal with [2014/11/04 11:28]  Marcus Llewellyn: And if they're hanging onto old viewers, it gets even worse. [2014/11/04 11:28]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: If things are improved, then it breaks something else, sticking back is bad [2014/11/04 11:28]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Justin, do you not mis the old paper reports and the paper schredder ? :) [2014/11/04 11:28] Mata Hari: and dogs eating reports :p [2014/11/04 11:28] Nebadon Izumi: well holding back development because people are death clutching scripts that were never 100% anyway [2014/11/04 11:28] Nebadon Izumi: its just not going to happen [2014/11/04 11:28] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I liked megas, They had their benefits [2014/11/04 11:28] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i hate ode [2014/11/04 11:28] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: me too [2014/11/04 11:28] Justin Clark-Casey: to be fair, I don't think they hold back dev... you just get people complaining [2014/11/04 11:28] Marcus Llewellyn: Megas are awesome, until they're not. ;) [2014/11/04 11:29] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - the persisted hypergrid links, I cann't see any settings in the ini yet fore those [2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: which is part and parcel of writing any used open-source project, unfortunately [2014/11/04 11:29]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: there are some things which work better in ode [2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, physiocs engine are complex [2014/11/04 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: right im not saying they do hold us back [2014/11/04 11:29]  Mata Hari: nor can I...I just went through my ini and didn't see anything [2014/11/04 11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: and the integration of such with other code [2014/11/04 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: but they act as if moving forward has ruined opensimulator [2014/11/04 11:29]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what about var regions and parcel data. i hear thats a bit buggy ? already fixt ? [2014/11/04 11:29] Nebadon Izumi: not a good way to convince me personally [2014/11/04 11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: heh [2014/11/04 11:29] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: You shold look for the same behavior in a bare region [2014/11/04 11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, there are always such people I think [2014/11/04 11:30] Marcus Llewellyn: Bullet still needs a lot of adjustment We went through this back inthe day with ODE too. My feet are funkly. I ain't colliding right. I can't walk up tha hill. etc. [2014/11/04 11:30] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Start looking for things that might cause them to persist. [2014/11/04 11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: but there always free to fork if they can't persuade why such and such a thing is bad [2014/11/04 11:30] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: justin physics engines are complex because you need to be compatroible with a not own made viewer [2014/11/04 11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: there isn't really a loc of interaction of physics with a viewer [2014/11/04 11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: it's more compatibility with the sl environment [2014/11/04 11:30] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Justin, they usually arent coders [2014/11/04 11:30] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ahh the "fork em'" argument :) [2014/11/04 11:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: right, so what's the answer? [2014/11/04 11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: people they don't pay should work for them for free? [2014/11/04 11:31]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 ignores most of it [2014/11/04 11:31]  Marcus Llewellyn: It's physics behavior that's tricky, and the viewer doesn't influence that a lot, I don't think. [2014/11/04 11:31]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: some measure of backwards compatibility? [2014/11/04 11:31]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: We def. have greater advantage if we move ahead together [2014/11/04 11:31]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: better documentation of whats being moved to? [2014/11/04 11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielles; and so there is. It won't be perfect [2014/11/04 11:32]  Mata Hari: just shut down the simulator and those entries are still there [2014/11/04 11:32] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: does not help much that some people want to start what is basically a Opensimulator owners union [2014/11/04 11:32] Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: again, you're asking for things tha trequire money and effort [2014/11/04 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: Mata that is strange [2014/11/04 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: we should mention this to diva [2014/11/04 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: let me see if she is alive [2014/11/04 11:33] Marcus Llewellyn: BTW, I think I have an idea on why OSCC staff has to keep reattaching HUDs on teleport. The changed event simply doesn't appear to be firing in HUDs or attachmets when I teleport. [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: Mata your a standalone right? [2014/11/04 11:33] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well maybe we will see something from this grid owner association [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: maybe this is something with standalones only [2014/11/04 11:33] Mata Hari: yes [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: which would be why i never experineced it [2014/11/04 11:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: I think such a group is a great idea [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: ive never setup a HG standalone ever [2014/11/04 11:33] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i seen it in grid mode Neb [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: oh hmm [2014/11/04 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: strange ive never experienced it [2014/11/04 11:33]  Mata Hari: and after restarting the sim, they're still there too [2014/11/04 11:33] Justin Clark-Casey: my system is in grid mode too [2014/11/04 11:33] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: did a lot of testing back and forth with great canadian grid [2014/11/04 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: to be honest [2014/11/04 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: i dont HG much [2014/11/04 11:34] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Same here, i think standalone robvust configs would be better [2014/11/04 11:34] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I'll setup a standalone to test it [2014/11/04 11:34]  Mata Hari: with OSG down I'm HGing *everywhere [2014/11/04 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: but you think id have had it happen once at least [2014/11/04 11:34] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: ya catching alot of bugs in my standalone, but can not be sure they are not something wrong with my configuration [2014/11/04 11:34] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: GCG finally got the issue resolved [2014/11/04 11:34] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: ya Im HGing a lot with osgrid down also [2014/11/04 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: what was it Arielle? [2014/11/04 11:35] Mata Hari: I couldn't get to GCG when I was on port 10000.,...as soon as I changed to port 9100 it worked like a charm [2014/11/04 11:35] Mata Hari: did with Neb [2014/11/04 11:35] Mata Hari: *ditto [2014/11/04 11:35] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: url's....no ip# but hostnames and had to be consistent across gridcommon and robust [2014/11/04 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: oh yea [2014/11/04 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: thats a deal breaker for sure [2014/11/04 11:35] Justin Clark-Casey: that doesn't surprise me at all [2014/11/04 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: because of the HG spoof checking [2014/11/04 11:36] Nebadon Izumi: has to be consistent or checks fail [2014/11/04 11:36] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: maybe a little too secure? [2014/11/04 11:36] Nebadon Izumi: ya right [2014/11/04 11:36] Nebadon Izumi: thats like saying im just going to leave my safe full of diamons open just a little [2014/11/04 11:36] Marcus Llewellyn: I'll watch em >:) [2014/11/04 11:36]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well enough security it will bvreak all connections [2014/11/04 11:37]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: has to be a balance [2014/11/04 11:37]  Justin Clark-Casey sincerely hopes nobody has a diamond-valued region [2014/11/04 11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 11:37]  Mata Hari: @Bluewall...restarted sim and table entries still there so they aren't being cleared on restart either....and they were there prior to me making my most recent build [2014/11/04 11:37]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Nah, you can keep it closed nebadon. but keep the key in :) [2014/11/04 11:37] Nebadon Izumi: proper fix is set up your grid right [2014/11/04 11:37] Nebadon Izumi: i dont understand why people ask us to program around other peoples mistakes [2014/11/04 11:37] Justin Clark-Casey: in some cases, the failure also needs to eb clearer though [2014/11/04 11:37] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: maybe we can move to something like OAuth2 at some point [2014/11/04 11:37] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: use tokens [2014/11/04 11:37] Nebadon Izumi: ya thats true for sure [2014/11/04 11:37] Justin Clark-Casey: opensim can definitely be improved to catch some config errors earlier [2014/11/04 11:38] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ++ [2014/11/04 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: but you cant lessen security checks because things arent easy to setup either [2014/11/04 11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, yes, That's been a complaint of mine for agse. [2014/11/04 11:38] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ++++ [2014/11/04 11:38] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: ++ [2014/11/04 11:38] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: well then Neb maybe if you and Justin were willing to look at issues beyong Osgrid, there might be some answers [2014/11/04 11:38] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it takes a certain skillset [2014/11/04 11:38] Mata Hari: yes....just catch bad set-ups ieadlly [2014/11/04 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: no response from diva [2014/11/04 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: she must be afk [2014/11/04 11:38] Justin Clark-Casey: andrew: at the same time, this is incredibly complex software. I highly doubt it will ever be an easy setup [2014/11/04 11:38] Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: what are you talking about? [2014/11/04 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: i'll ask her when i can [2014/11/04 11:39] Nebadon Izumi: if i remember, but i suggest you speak with diva [2014/11/04 11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, One thing I havethought about is validating DB connection strings when first encountered to avoid something failing later on that needs the connection. [2014/11/04 11:39] Nebadon Izumi: to find the cause of this persistent link problem [2014/11/04 11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, no but there may be some basic sanity checks that can be added [2014/11/04 11:39] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: several grids are or have been experiencing the identity issue since the .8.,0.2 release [2014/11/04 11:39] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: something changed [2014/11/04 11:40] Mata Hari nods [2014/11/04 11:40] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: are both sides at 0.8.0.2 ? [2014/11/04 11:40] Mata Hari: I never experienced this at all until the last 3 months [2014/11/04 11:40] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: not necessarily [2014/11/04 11:40] Mata Hari: but I wasn't using HG heavily prior to that [2014/11/04 11:40] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: that can be the problem [2014/11/04 11:40] Nebadon Izumi: i dont think ive ever seen that problem not turn out to be a misconfiguration [2014/11/04 11:40] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: I am on osgrid release from august [2014/11/04 11:40] Nebadon Izumi: but if there is that should definitely be discussed [2014/11/04 11:41] Nebadon Izumi: it may be that the checks were not as good in 0.7.6 [2014/11/04 11:41] Nebadon Izumi: but i cant say for sure [2014/11/04 11:41] Nebadon Izumi: so much has happened since then [2014/11/04 11:41] Mata Hari: I brought up the issue several times but the first time it got really looked at was that Sunday afternoon Neb and I spent trying to figure out why he couldn't get to me [2014/11/04 11:41]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: unable to verify error is most some config error sofar i remember, seen it in the past. but not HG much [2014/11/04 11:41] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: yea same here Richardus [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: its soo easy to mistype something accidetly [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: even if you think its right [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: ive looked over inis 20 times [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: only to have justin or dan look [2014/11/04 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: and instantly see a mistake [2014/11/04 11:42] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: in this case the configs were brought over from either .8.0.1 or .8.1 and they didnt work [2014/11/04 11:42] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: i know of one popular grid that has the HG friends service behind the firewall, cant remember which one now [2014/11/04 11:42] Marcus Llewellyn: I've had HG TP issues, but restarting the instance I was trying to TP from cleared it up. [2014/11/04 11:42] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: sometimes the difference in slash or no slash can make or break it in url [2014/11/04 11:43] Justin Clark-Casey: heh, hg friends behind a firewall won't do youmuch good [2014/11/04 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: ya there is always the case that a region is in a bad state [2014/11/04 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: and could cause these kind of spurious errors [2014/11/04 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: but those wouldnt be consistently happening i suspect [2014/11/04 11:43] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: yea, they have 300+ active users so im shocked at them making a mistake like that with config [2014/11/04 11:43] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ keynote 1 b320e7ca-7525-447d-b8bd-e75458711b67 13998,0 256x256 RegionOnline, NoDirectLogin, Hyperlink [2014/11/04 11:43] Mata Hari: another fun one is being able to tp to a region in Metro from 1 of my regions but not from a different one of my regions [2014/11/04 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: thats what was happening to me with the port 10000 issue Mata [2014/11/04 11:44] Nebadon Izumi: 100% exactly [2014/11/04 11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: alica: tbh, I'm not that surprised, hypergrid is a super-new concept [2014/11/04 11:44] Mata Hari: yet from that desination region I can tp back to either of them [2014/11/04 11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Mata, that sounds like a difference in configuration between the two regions [2014/11/04 11:44] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: uhm yes since .6.9? [2014/11/04 11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: I myself spent a lot of yesterday probing and reading code in that area and extending osme of the wiki pages [2014/11/04 11:44] Nebadon Izumi: nice [2014/11/04 11:44] Mata Hari: nope...the 2 regions are identical [2014/11/04 11:44] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i think you can configure HG in robust to only allow it from some regions [2014/11/04 11:44] Nebadon Izumi: that may be your problem too Mata [2014/11/04 11:44] Mata Hari: except UUID and the port [2014/11/04 11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Mata, then the other option is firewall [2014/11/04 11:44] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: ok, I have the region linked after a restart on standalone [2014/11/04 11:44] Nebadon Izumi: dupilcate port [2014/11/04 11:44] Nebadon Izumi: the duplicate UDP port problem [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: nightmare [2014/11/04 11:45] Mata Hari: nope, checked that [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: duplicate uuids [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: thats also a problem [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: ive done that so many times myself [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: reuse a uuid [2014/11/04 11:45] Mata Hari: UUID is unique, port is unique, all else identical [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: and takes me forever to figure out whats happening [2014/11/04 11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: What part of the system will catch and report duplicate UUIDs? [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: i dont think any Andrew [2014/11/04 11:45] Justin Clark-Casey: for hypergrid links? [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: not in terms of region uuid [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: anyway [2014/11/04 11:45] Marcus Llewellyn: It's just not supposed to happen. :) [2014/11/04 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: also [2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: region overlap with HG [2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: is that still a problem [2014/11/04 11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: I expectso [2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: if you try to hg to a region thats on 1000,1000 [2014/11/04 11:46]  Andrew Hellershanks: Marcus, it isn't supposed to happen, but sh*t does. :) [2014/11/04 11:46] Mata Hari: my guess is there's something about the port that the destination region doesn't like [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: from a region thats on 1000,1000 [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: that used to fail [2014/11/04 11:46] Justin Clark-Casey: this stuff is built on hacks [2014/11/04 11:46] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I don't think so [2014/11/04 11:46]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: havent seen it in a long time [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: ok [2014/11/04 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant remember if we fixed that [2014/11/04 11:46] Justin Clark-Casey: I am guessing though, perhaps that is fixed [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: but [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: people running 0.7.6 [2014/11/04 11:46] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol Jcc - heritic :D [2014/11/04 11:46] Nebadon Izumi: that could be a problem [2014/11/04 11:46] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm still only atht overview stage of a lot of HG, not the full guts [2014/11/04 11:47] Nebadon Izumi: brb i need water! [2014/11/04 11:47] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Diva not active atm with HG? [2014/11/04 11:48]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - the Hg regions are persisted in Standalones for some reason [2014/11/04 11:48] Mata Hari: the other one I find baffling is I see a ton og messages in console relating to HG friends logging in and out and sending notices and yet maybe only 10% of those actually get sent to my viewer [2014/11/04 11:48] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Hg friends is a little Wonky yet [2014/11/04 11:48] Mata Hari: yeps [2014/11/04 11:49] Mata Hari: those things *did* work under 0.7.6...they got broken ~19 months ago [2014/11/04 11:49] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: yep, i cant make friends on this grid lol they vanish after i log out [2014/11/04 11:49] Marcus Llewellyn: If a HG friend sends me inventory, the viewer never tells me so. It just appears in inventory without a peep. [2014/11/04 11:49] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: It doesn't sho wDahlia online at all and she's right here [2014/11/04 11:49] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: is there some way of transferring friends to a fresh database? [2014/11/04 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: back [2014/11/04 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: diva is working on a new viewer [2014/11/04 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: beleive it or not [2014/11/04 11:49] Justin Clark-Casey: new from scratch? [2014/11/04 11:49] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: for opensim? [2014/11/04 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 11:49]  Nebadon Izumi: fork of Singualrity [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: with a very stripped down interface [2014/11/04 11:50] Marcus Llewellyn: For Encitra? [2014/11/04 11:50] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Dahlia, what version of opensim do you use ? [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: that you can program from the grid [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: Primarily for Encitra yes [2014/11/04 11:50] Justin Clark-Casey: fork as a testbed? I think she hopes to get any change back into singu [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: but will be available to everyone [2014/11/04 11:50] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that is cool [2014/11/04 11:50] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I use recent git master [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: no this is going to be something completely new you havent seen before [2014/11/04 11:50] Justin Clark-Casey: there are alot of hg improvements I think you could make if the viewer can be changed [2014/11/04 11:50] Mata Hari: I bet [2014/11/04 11:50] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: because it works fine HG friends [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: we called it "OnLook" veieer [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: its going to be strictly a viewer [2014/11/04 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: no build tools [2014/11/04 11:51] Justin Clark-Casey nods [2014/11/04 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: whats cool though is that the grid can define menus and UI [2014/11/04 11:51]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Tourist viewer [2014/11/04 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: even on the region level [2014/11/04 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: you can TP do diifferent region and get different menu [2014/11/04 11:51] Mata Hari: if the viewer and asset server could handle some things directly instead of having everything proxied via the region I suspect that would help in a lot of areas [2014/11/04 11:51] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: That will be pretty nice [2014/11/04 11:51] Marcus Llewellyn: Using the veiwer gui XML? [2014/11/04 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: i asked for even having different menus depending on your user level [2014/11/04 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: should be interesting [2014/11/04 11:51] Mata Hari: or inventory server, or login server [2014/11/04 11:51] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: I would have thought she would consider starting from a LGPL codebase [2014/11/04 11:52] Marcus Llewellyn: The LL viewer is LGPL. [2014/11/04 11:52] Mata Hari: it would also really cut down on the region's traffic [2014/11/04 11:52] Nebadon Izumi: i think its about availality of developers willing to work with her [2014/11/04 11:52] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Singu is GPL [2014/11/04 11:52] Nebadon Izumi: neither of us like Firestorm [2014/11/04 11:52] Marcus Llewellyn: Ohh... didn't know they stuck with old license. [2014/11/04 11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: it's always about dev availablility [2014/11/04 11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: if there was a lot of that we wouldn't constant have mata and arielle complaining :) [2014/11/04 11:52]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: they have no choice [2014/11/04 11:52]  Mata Hari: lol [2014/11/04 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: we need a viewer that works [2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari complains about the lack of devs [2014/11/04 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: the license should be sufficient [2014/11/04 11:53]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: me? complain??? persih the thouight ;) [2014/11/04 11:53] Justin Clark-Casey: lol [2014/11/04 11:53] Mata Hari: should I Mantis that? [2014/11/04 11:53] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe not [2014/11/04 11:53] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: define "works" [2014/11/04 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: meets our needs [2014/11/04 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [2014/11/04 11:53] Marcus Llewellyn complains about modern medicine;s lack of focus on cloning more developers. [2014/11/04 11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: opensim 0.1 dod work to :) [2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari: pander to me, damn it! [2014/11/04 11:53]  Mata Hari: :p [2014/11/04 11:53]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: if they met your needs you wouldnt need to fork [2014/11/04 11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: HG improvwements do need to happen, and I hope to finally get some time after the conf [2014/11/04 11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: I'm just 100%ed out at the moment [2014/11/04 11:54]  Mata Hari: understandably [2014/11/04 11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's a super complex system, painfully so [2014/11/04 11:54]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: i realize the challenges with HG is that for a long time Diva was the only dev familiar with it and she is now onto other projects [2014/11/04 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: well heck [2014/11/04 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: we are working on HG today [2014/11/04 11:54] Nebadon Izumi: arent we? [2014/11/04 11:55] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I made an HG related change [2014/11/04 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: its not like no one is working on it [2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: to do with attachments, but don't get excited [2014/11/04 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya [2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: still we are working on trying to improve it [2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: I have been forced to work on it ;) [2014/11/04 11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: but I do see it as important [2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: not saying we actually have [2014/11/04 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll know shortly :) [2014/11/04 11:55] Marcus Llewellyn: remove al attachments. Problem solved. :) [2014/11/04 11:55] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: you need some attachments Justin to test it? I have some skirts and high eels and primmy hair :) [2014/11/04 11:55] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: any plans to fix the export flag? [2014/11/04 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: we have been using my aliens [2014/11/04 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: those things are horrible [2014/11/04 11:56] Nebadon Izumi: why i never shared them [2014/11/04 11:56] Nebadon Izumi: accept with the devs [2014/11/04 11:56] Nebadon Izumi: maybe one day :) [2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: alicia: eventually... [2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: yes, would be good at some stage [2014/11/04 11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: arielle: though my main priority is to prevent possible overload of keynotes in the conf [2014/11/04 11:56]  Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: nods [2014/11/04 11:56]  Mata Hari nods [2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: that was the casue of one of my changes today but it's not yet complete - ti's still vulnerable to someone's bad asset service [2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: bad as in performing badly [2014/11/04 11:57]  Mata Hari: there seems to be an awful lot of stuff that has to get sent before the HG tp is allowed to happen and a very short window of time to do it [2014/11/04 11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: but it should improve attachments over hg in the long run, though I don't yet understand why the existing reported issues occur [2014/11/04 11:57] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: agrees with Mata [2014/11/04 11:58] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: in standalone, the lHg linked regions are getting written to the grid';s regions table; [2014/11/04 11:58] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that is why they are persisted - that should not happen [2014/11/04 11:58] Mata Hari: yet that stuff still gets received because when you make attempt #2 it's instant [2014/11/04 11:58] Justin Clark-Casey: mata: the change I made might help actually [2014/11/04 11:58] Nebadon Izumi: but why would it happen in grid mode [2014/11/04 11:58] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: and funny thing is that it has more to do with receiving destinations resources then the sending [2014/11/04 11:58] Nebadon Izumi: it definitely should never happen in grid mode [2014/11/04 11:58] Justin Clark-Casey: though it might also mean right at this second that attachments take longer to appear [2014/11/04 11:58] Mata Hari: @Bluewall...good to know it wasn't a config error at my end [2014/11/04 11:58] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: a lot of jumps require 2 tries [2014/11/04 11:58] Nebadon Izumi: actually [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: by defaul [2014/11/04 11:59] Mata Hari: @Justin....that's fine [2014/11/04 11:59] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Mata - this is only on standalone, right? [2014/11/04 11:59] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: first send attachments, second the avatar [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: OPenSimulator is configured to not have a regions table in Standalone [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: you have to manually turn that one [2014/11/04 11:59] Mata Hari: I have no problem at all waiting for my junk to catch up to me if I can get tehre [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: that may be why that bug slipped in [2014/11/04 11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: its not common that people turn that on [2014/11/04 11:59]  Mata Hari: @Blue: as far as I know, yes [2014/11/04 11:59] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: Mata, it used to be like that but then was changed [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: but in grid mode [2014/11/04 11:59] Justin Clark-Casey: mata: yeah, that's kind of what I'mdoing [2014/11/04 11:59] Justin Clark-Casey: but for other reasons initially [2014/11/04 11:59] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it has a regions table [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: there should be no possible way to store HG links in robust [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: and have them persisit [2014/11/04 11:59] Mata Hari: think that makes sense [2014/11/04 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: without divas wifi [2014/11/04 12:00] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: each service has it's data [2014/11/04 12:00] Mata Hari: you can then throttle it too, to help spread out region load [2014/11/04 12:00] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I needed to do it for throttling reasons [2014/11/04 12:00] Mata Hari: but that only works if you allow the entity transfer to finish fast [2014/11/04 12:00] Justin Clark-Casey: offload the incoming requests to a separate queue and not served by the samed thread they rode in on [2014/11/04 12:00]  Mata Hari: then let the rest catch up [2014/11/04 12:00]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: In my mind, I thin kthat you should be able to make a perm. link in the grid console. [2014/11/04 12:00] Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure bandwidth and server resources do play somewhat of a role in that Mata [2014/11/04 12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: the trobule is when you offload ot a queue you need to do a bunch of complex work to avoid issues when some asset services are slow, etc. [2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: i imagine the problem gets especially worse when 2 regions have not so great internet speeds [2014/11/04 12:01] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: But, map, profile, landmark, scripted links should not persist. [2014/11/04 12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: which is stuff I really didn't want to do this late but don't have much choice now [2014/11/04 12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, it's load test time [2014/11/04 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: indeed it is [2014/11/04 12:01]  Marcus Llewellyn: Whee! [2014/11/04 12:01] Mata Hari: while you're doing that, could you also move local inventory fetch on login into a separate thread too [2014/11/04 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: all my bots are in and ready :) [2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: im only doing 48 today [2014/11/04 12:01]  Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: time to go poke the servers with a big stick? [2014/11/04 12:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon@ yeah slow speed is a killer too, esp with super-complex attachments [2014/11/04 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: trying to not destroy my internet [2014/11/04 12:01]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Time, to run. need todo other things. bye [2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: see you at load test [2014/11/04 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: heading over [2014/11/04 12:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok, going over [2014/11/04 12:02]  Mata Hari: it's still extremely common to utterly destroy a region's performance with a direct login where inventory fetch hangs [2014/11/04 12:02]  Mata Hari: I see it all the time in Metro [2014/11/04 12:02]  Region found! [2014/11/04 12:02] Region found! [2014/11/04 12:02] Teleport completed from https://opensimcc/region/Staff%20Zone%201/139/56/85 [2014/11/04 12:02] Marcus Llewellyn: I can hear you Chris [2014/11/04 12:02] Ai Austin: I have voice from you yes [2014/11/04 12:02] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I can hear you [2014/11/04 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: i dont hear anyone [2014/11/04 12:02] Sine Whatever: I hear you [2014/11/04 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: can you guys hear me? [2014/11/04 12:03] Jak Daniels: Yep, I hear you [2014/11/04 12:03] Ai Austin: yes Fleep I hear you and see green bars [2014/11/04 12:03] Fleep Tuque: I don't hear Neb [2014/11/04 12:03] Gavin Hird: can't hear anything [2014/11/04 12:03] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:03] Sine Whatever: don't hear Neb though [2014/11/04 12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: I appear to have lost the voice lottery today [2014/11/04 12:03] Fleep Tuque: All Neb's bots take up the spaces [2014/11/04 12:03] Fleep Tuque: that's my guess [2014/11/04 12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: oh, I know why..... [2014/11/04 12:03] Nebadon Izumi: my bots dont have voice [2014/11/04 12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: I didn't plug in my headset, possible [2014/11/04 12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: though I guess it shoudl work anyway [2014/11/04 12:03] Nebadon Izumi: radegast cant do voice [2014/11/04 12:03] Nebadon Izumi: it wont even try [2014/11/04 12:03] Fleep Tuque: Well when there were only like 6 nonbot people here, only two of us had voice [2014/11/04 12:03] Mata Hari waves to Seth [2014/11/04 12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: brb [2014/11/04 12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Yes [2014/11/04 12:04] Fleep Tuque: weird! [2014/11/04 12:04] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net prepares a lolcube invasion.... [2014/11/04 12:04] Fleep Tuque: no [2014/11/04 12:04]  Fleep Tuque: right [2014/11/04 12:05] Your clothing is still downloading. [2014/11/04 12:06] Jak Daniels: just right [2014/11/04 12:06] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:06] Esparanza Freese: fine to me [2014/11/04 12:06]  Kayaker Magic: You are just right! [2014/11/04 12:06] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: little quiet for me [2014/11/04 12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks is Online [2014/11/04 12:06] Ai Austin: if it goes red bars that overdriving [2014/11/04 12:06] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [2014/11/04 12:06] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I would say just right volume [2014/11/04 12:06] Connected [2014/11/04 12:07] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: I hear Justin [2014/11/04 12:07] Ai Austin: level is good Justin [2014/11/04 12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: I think I have to turn Justin up a touch [2014/11/04 12:07] Nebadon Izumi: i just logged out and back in [2014/11/04 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: and eveyronen is a gas cloud [2014/11/04 12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, Justin is in red for me but I do hear him [2014/11/04 12:07] Nebadon Izumi: that is not good [2014/11/04 12:07] Ada Radius: me too, no joy on Talk [2014/11/04 12:07] Be Austin: Yes [2014/11/04 12:08] Fleep Tuque: Neb are you hearding audio? [2014/11/04 12:08] Jens Olsen: ok [2014/11/04 12:08]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear Marcus [2014/11/04 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: nope [2014/11/04 12:08] Fleep Tuque: We can hear you [2014/11/04 12:08] Fleep Tuque: Hm [2014/11/04 12:08]  Ai Austin: is that American? [2014/11/04 12:08] Ai Austin: :-) [2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque shrugs. [2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: voice is dead [2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: I dunno what. [2014/11/04 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: im just going to disable it for now [2014/11/04 12:08]  Fleep Tuque: ok [2014/11/04 12:08]  Jens Olsen: perfect [2014/11/04 12:08]  Marcus Llewellyn: VIvox is just picking on you. ;) [2014/11/04 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: somehting is very wrong here [2014/11/04 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: is see 100% gas clouds [2014/11/04 12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Only 36 people here so it isn't the 50 avatar limit [2014/11/04 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: i see maybe 5 avatars [2014/11/04 12:08] Justin Clark-Casey: I see everyone fine [2014/11/04 12:08] Fleep Tuque: Might be taking a min to load? I see everyone fine as well [2014/11/04 12:09] Nebadon Izumi: i saw everyone fine until i relogged [2014/11/04 12:09] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah... somthing is really wrong on your wne, Neb [2014/11/04 12:09] Nebadon Izumi: then i came back to 100% gas clouds [2014/11/04 12:09] Marcus Llewellyn: end* [2014/11/04 12:09] Myron Curtis: I still don't hear anyone. [2014/11/04 12:09] Fleep Tuque: In fact, no gas clouds at all on K1 [2014/11/04 12:09]  Ai Austin: some hippos gatecrashed the meeting at the back! [2014/11/04 12:09] Jens Olsen: ok [2014/11/04 12:09]  Mata Hari: I wonder if many of the HG friends issues I have reported are also Standalone-only issues like the persist one is [2014/11/04 12:09]  Ai Austin: I hear Fleep still in UK [2014/11/04 12:09]  Andrew Hellershanks: did you hear anyone just now, Myron? [2014/11/04 12:09] Myron Curtis: are we using inworld voice, or Skype? [2014/11/04 12:09] Ai Austin: No Andrew [2014/11/04 12:09] Justin Clark-Casey: in world voice but we aren't using this for conf [2014/11/04 12:09] Justin Clark-Casey: mostly precistely because of these issues [2014/11/04 12:09] Myron Curtis: ok thanks [2014/11/04 12:10] Ai Austin: ah sorry Andrew, I thought you wee asking if you could be heard [2014/11/04 12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Umm... skype for the conference? That will be for the presenters to use and it will be funneled through the region stream? [2014/11/04 12:10] Fleep Tuque: Yes [2014/11/04 12:10] Justin Clark-Casey: yes [2014/11/04 12:10] Marcus Llewellyn: Exactly. [2014/11/04 12:10] Myron Curtis: FreeSWITCH? [2014/11/04 12:10] Fleep Tuque: There will be no local voice, it will be disabled [2014/11/04 12:10] Ai Austin: Fleep only talklng in last 60 seconds [2014/11/04 12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: ok [2014/11/04 12:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: freeswtich works with vivox's slvoice.exe, which won't provide a good codec to any non-vivox server [2014/11/04 12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Makes sense to disable inworld voice [2014/11/04 12:10] Ai Austin: Myron, Neb said it was Vivox free setup [2014/11/04 12:10] Justin Clark-Casey: very poor quality voice [2014/11/04 12:11] Myron Curtis: ok [2014/11/04 12:11]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com: time for the sims to dump vivox and get mumble [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: ok [2014/11/04 12:11]  Marcus Llewellyn: The conference is in 4 days. We're using Skype. lol [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: cleared viewer cahce [2014/11/04 12:11] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Vivox is a hack [2014/11/04 12:11] Ai Austin: I got voice here good quality today [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: no i see everyone [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: now* [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: i had a bunch of hung slvoice.exe [2014/11/04 12:11] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it would be a great choice if it wer used correctly - like SMS [2014/11/04 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: trying to enable voice again [2014/11/04 12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: yes [2014/11/04 12:11] Ai Austin: Yes [2014/11/04 12:11] Mata Hari: yeps [2014/11/04 12:11] Ai Austin: and Justin [2014/11/04 12:11] Val Buss: yes [2014/11/04 12:11] Fleep Tuque: We are [2014/11/04 12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: I hear two new(?) people [2014/11/04 12:12] Fleep Tuque: and you still aren't hearing us [2014/11/04 12:12]  Fleep Tuque: :) [2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: and Fleep [2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: and neb [2014/11/04 12:12]  IM: Michelle Techland: hi justin. are u  testing voice? i don't hear nothing :-)) [2014/11/04 12:12]  Marcus Llewellyn: I hear everyone, but neb as a little bit of breakup in his voice. [2014/11/04 12:12]  Ai Austin: I have no gas clouds today [2014/11/04 12:12]  Myron Curtis: Right, The problem isn't the voip solution we use but just the way we imliment it [2014/11/04 12:12]  Val Buss: As Marcus. [2014/11/04 12:12]  Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen where the keynote I was in took much longer to rez than the other 3 [2014/11/04 12:12]  Ghaelen DLareh is Online [2014/11/04 12:12]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: It is used as a conference call [2014/11/04 12:12]  Fleep Tuque: That is strange neb, I am actually seeing no gas clouds ANYWHERE, which is kind of remarkable. [2014/11/04 12:13] Justin Clark-Casey: the kn you are in does take longer to rez because much more data sent [2014/11/04 12:13] Justin Clark-Casey: and data out is throttled [2014/11/04 12:13] Ai Austin: Likewise Fleep, no gas clouds at all! [2014/11/04 12:13] Rhiannon Chatnoir is Online [2014/11/04 12:13] Mal Burns: seeing all good on all 4 sims [2014/11/04 12:13] Ai Austin: even the hippos [2014/11/04 12:13] Marcus Llewellyn: JCC, open mic. :) [2014/11/04 12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: no gas clouds? woohoo [2014/11/04 12:13]  Andrew Hellershanks: :) [2014/11/04 12:13] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow I saw gas clouds but as soon as I zoomed into them they came in [2014/11/04 12:14]  Nebadon Izumi: zooming isnt helping me so far [2014/11/04 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: i dont see a lot [2014/11/04 12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm in Singularity and the chairs too a while to rez [2014/11/04 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: maybe 15 or so total [2014/11/04 12:14] Marcus Llewellyn: I've had the no chair problem only once, on my local account, when TPing in. [2014/11/04 12:14] Val Buss: Singularity, Mac OS, chairs ok [2014/11/04 12:14]  Mata Hari: so you're still using an abacus? [2014/11/04 12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm using Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6194) Sep 12 2014 05:20:44 under Windows 8.1 [2014/11/04 12:14] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Singularity Viewer (64 bit) 1.8.6 (6156) Sep 2 2014 15:52:42 (Singularity) [2014/11/04 12:15] Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: hmm [2014/11/04 12:15] Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: ah there goes [2014/11/04 12:15] Mata Hari: Firestorm 4.6.8 (42823) Oct 14 2014 23:32:55 (Firestorm-Fizzlefire) with OpenSimulator support [2014/11/04 12:15] Val Buss: Zone 2, I think [2014/11/04 12:15] Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: wierd [2014/11/04 12:15] Marcus Llewellyn: Staff group are good, right? [2014/11/04 12:15] Zuza Ritt: Hi [2014/11/04 12:15]  Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: with this HG avatar [2014/11/04 12:15] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: MIne looks good to go. [2014/11/04 12:15] Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: i dont see as many gas clouds [2014/11/04 12:15] Myron Curtis: I am in Singularity (64 bit) [2014/11/04 12:16] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: starting bot load in 4 mins [2014/11/04 12:16] Nebadon.Tester1 @grid.nebadon2025.com:8002: ok [2014/11/04 12:16]  Myron Curtis: I don't see any gas clouds [2014/11/04 12:16] Fleep Tuque: 92 bluewall slade bluewall.slade@gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: error contacting hypergrid address: The request timed out [2014/11/04 12:16] Sine Whatever: Myron Fleep told me to use 32 bit Singularity [2014/11/04 12:16] Gavin Hird: OS X 10.10 and Singularity - all clear - no clouds [2014/11/04 12:16] Sine Whatever: 64 bit has problems with Skype [2014/11/04 12:17] Val Buss: OS X 10.9.5 looking good. Sound occasionally fragmenting [2014/11/04 12:17] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: What sound am I supposed to be hearing? [2014/11/04 12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm have Skyp 6.21.60.104 [2014/11/04 12:17] Myron Curtis: ok [2014/11/04 12:17]  Ghaelen DLareh: sounding great, no lag so far :) [2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: you maybe heairng voice, but the vivox voice servce is flaky [2014/11/04 12:18]  Myron Curtis: I give that a try if it will install [2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: actuall conference stuff will be streamded in from skype [2014/11/04 12:18]  Gavin Hird: no sound in keynote 3 [2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: might I not be hearing voice because I am in a different region? [2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: oh yeah [2014/11/04 12:18]  Ada Radius: nor in keynote 4 [2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes, actually..... [2014/11/04 12:18]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: nor in 2 [2014/11/04 12:18]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, I'd be pretty sure voice is only in kn1 [2014/11/04 12:18] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: vivox anyway [2014/11/04 12:18] Jens Olsen: For me things works great....I did the normal reg..... [2014/11/04 12:19] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods [2014/11/04 12:19] Myron Curtis: Interesting, the menue on my viewer lists that voice is disabled in this region [2014/11/04 12:19] Tacity LLL: Everything is working for me. Zone loaded quickly and sound is good. [2014/11/04 12:19] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: http://gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002/ Invention [2014/11/04 12:19] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 min to botfall [2014/11/04 12:19] Fleep Tuque: Neb are you playing MOAP? [2014/11/04 12:19] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: or gateway.bluewalvirtual.net:8002:Invention [2014/11/04 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 12:20]  Fleep Tuque: k [2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: iim messing with a different screen [2014/11/04 12:20] Fleep Tuque: ah [2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: why? [2014/11/04 12:20] Kayaker Magic: MOAP == Mother Of All Parties [2014/11/04 12:20] Ghaelen DLareh claps along not knowing why [2014/11/04 12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: oh. I'm hearing cheering all of a sudden [2014/11/04 12:20] Fleep Tuque: I just got the notice to allow media [2014/11/04 12:20] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: with my even more painfully detalied logging, I realized today that all caht goes over it's own fire and forget thread [2014/11/04 12:20] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: I wonder if that's a reason for delayed chat udner load [2014/11/04 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: oh ya heh [2014/11/04 12:20] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: a concert on the screen [2014/11/04 12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah. Media started playing. [2014/11/04 12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: someone else said "testing 1 2 3" [2014/11/04 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: yea i put on a video [2014/11/04 12:20] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: that was me [2014/11/04 12:20]  Nebadon Izumi: its not MOAP though [2014/11/04 12:20] Val Buss: Sound good, avi sound, no visual [2014/11/04 12:20] Jens Olsen: jep media on..... [2014/11/04 12:20] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: starting bot load [2014/11/04 12:20] Ai Austin: screen playing Youtube movie fine [2014/11/04 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: ya its youtube [2014/11/04 12:20] Mal Burns: i hear noisy crowd here lol [2014/11/04 12:20] ssmtest.ssmtest @hg.francogrid.org: hello world [2014/11/04 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: you probably need to be in Keynote 1 to see it [2014/11/04 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: i think [2014/11/04 12:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Some sort of concert video playing? [2014/11/04 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: i never tested it across border [2014/11/04 12:21] Gavin Hird: no movies in keynote 3 [2014/11/04 12:21] Kayaker Magic: In Keynote 2, I'm not seeing any video [2014/11/04 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: kk [2014/11/04 12:21]  Val Buss: Media sound only [2014/11/04 12:21] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: the video was not playing in region 2 [2014/11/04 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: ya this video requires flash [2014/11/04 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: its pretty flakey experience between different viewers and operating systems [2014/11/04 12:21] Val Buss: I should have flash. Will check [2014/11/04 12:22] Nebadon Izumi: unfortunately none of the SL media stuff works well for everyone [2014/11/04 12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon, I was seeing the video just fine [2014/11/04 12:22] Tacity LLL: I'm not seeing video in region 1 [2014/11/04 12:22] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: no, it was not on in 2 - I moved to 1 and it is fine [2014/11/04 12:22] Nebadon Izumi: someone always seems to have trouble with it [2014/11/04 12:22]  Myron Curtis: I'm going to try the 32 bit version. [2014/11/04 12:22] Be Austin: Yes Neb, video does not show in keynote 2 [2014/11/04 12:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I was looking at the video and still not sure what I was watching. [2014/11/04 12:22] Nebadon Izumi: ok thanks [2014/11/04 12:22] Val Buss: I have trouble even in SL. Wrong flash version? [2014/11/04 12:22] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: MOAP makes me MOPE! ;-) [2014/11/04 12:22] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: moap makes me nope [2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe Val [2014/11/04 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: 64 bit viewer doesnt like flash sometimes [2014/11/04 12:22]  Val Buss: Thanks Nebadon [2014/11/04 12:22]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Depends on the viewer whether it works for me [2014/11/04 12:23]  Nebadon Izumi: little laggy [2014/11/04 12:23]  Gavin Hird does not like flash at all [2014/11/04 12:23]  Sine Whatever: they are on for me [2014/11/04 12:23]  Sine Whatever: but still don't see video [2014/11/04 12:23]  Fleep Tuque: Edit > Preferences > Auido & Video > turn on automatic play Parcel and Prim media [2014/11/04 12:23]  Ai Austin: Firestorm 64 bit seems to be working for me for the video in keynote 1 [2014/11/04 12:23]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000 hates Flash as well, but at least it is working for me [2014/11/04 12:23]  strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: me too [2014/11/04 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: let me try it on MOAP [2014/11/04 12:23] Sine Whatever: oh dear chat isvery lagged [2014/11/04 12:23] Mal Burns: i saw it and turned off lol [2014/11/04 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya [2014/11/04 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: very laggy for me to at the moment [2014/11/04 12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: I saw the video and heard it in singularity. Didn't need either of the "automatically play prim/parcel media" options set. [2014/11/04 12:24] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 12:24 [2014/11/04 12:24] Be Austin: On,y a music stream in keynote 2... no video or media dstreams [2014/11/04 12:24] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no lag for me right now [2014/11/04 12:24] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but I know it waves [2014/11/04 12:24] Mal Burns: can still start with mediaplay button [2014/11/04 12:24] Ghaelen DLareh is Offline [2014/11/04 12:24] Ghaelen DLareh is Online [2014/11/04 12:24] Sine Whatever: just all caught up [2014/11/04 12:24]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 154 connections [2014/11/04 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: feels extremely laggy [2014/11/04 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: for 154 [2014/11/04 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: maybe just me though [2014/11/04 12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: nice [2014/11/04 12:24] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not at all for me [2014/11/04 12:24]  Sun Tzu is Online [2014/11/04 12:25] Tacity LLL: Yes my preferences are on - i hear the youtube audio but don't see video - I'm running Singularity on a mac [2014/11/04 12:25] Val Buss: Still no media visual [2014/11/04 12:25] Roswenthe Blackwell: i'm not laggy at all, and i see the video just fine [2014/11/04 12:25] Ghaelen DLareh: Who let the bots out! Naaaah, na naaah, na [2014/11/04 12:25] Nebadon Izumi: maybe i should just kill my bots [2014/11/04 12:25] Sine Whatever: I dont't hear or see video [2014/11/04 12:25] Nebadon Izumi: i cant even move hardly [2014/11/04 12:25] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: maybe remove a few neb [2014/11/04 12:25] Sine Whatever: but chat is OK now [2014/11/04 12:25] Val Buss: Tacity - also snags here, on Mac [2014/11/04 12:26] Val Buss: I think the visual snag is my end. [2014/11/04 12:26] Fleep Tuque: 2 BlueWall Slade bluewall.slade@gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: foreign user has same uuid as another foreign user 4ab4afee-3863-4948-869a-169c0620cb62;http://gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002/;BlueWall Slade [2014/11/04 12:26] Kayaker Magic: I wasn't sure it was my viewer, so I moved from Keynote 2 to Keynote 1: Now I see the video. [2014/11/04 12:26] Ai Austin: whooo.. the bots are all coming in.. clouds for 30 seconds or so and then rezzing for me [2014/11/04 12:26] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: they will rez for a while but then that will stop [2014/11/04 12:26] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: appearance sending gets overwhelmed on the pCampbot end [2014/11/04 12:26] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not time now to fix it [2014/11/04 12:27]  Nebadon Izumi: i dropped 8 bots off [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: down to 40 [2014/11/04 12:27] Be Austin: no vieo shows as avsailable in keynote 2.. so only keybote 1 as Neb suggested [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: does feel better now [2014/11/04 12:27] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: current connections 173 [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: wierd i used to be able to have so many more bots [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: now i cant barely log in any bots [2014/11/04 12:27] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it's like it's getting worse over time [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: yea [2014/11/04 12:27] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it is wierd [2014/11/04 12:27] Nebadon Izumi: every week its worse [2014/11/04 12:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. The video is Shpongle live in concert. No idea who that is. Never heard of them before. [2014/11/04 12:28] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: hmm, I think I know major reason for chat out of order [2014/11/04 12:28] Mal Burns: even if no voice, video needs work over 4 sims surely? [2014/11/04 12:28] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it's because pf it's use of fire and forget under these load conditions most likely [2014/11/04 12:28] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I'm not getting video or sound, although my sound thinks it's on [2014/11/04 12:29]  Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: i see the video and heard Fleep and other people talking here, but not in keynote3 [2014/11/04 12:29] Ghaelen DLareh: video very smooth, voice is clear and no lag for me [2014/11/04 12:29]  Esparanza Freese: I cant see it [2014/11/04 12:29]  Ghaelen DLareh: I'll go see [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: justin [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: are you sitting your bots on ground again? [2014/11/04 12:29] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I'm on keynot 3 too [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: oh your using the wrong bots :/ [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: oh thats right [2014/11/04 12:29] Val Buss: I'll check other regions [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: forgot [2014/11/04 12:29] Kayaker Magic: Oh NO! The bottom of the video has a message for me! It says my computer is slow! [2014/11/04 12:29] Mal Burns: can you see from other keynotes if you cam in to keynote1? [2014/11/04 12:29] Nebadon Izumi: you cant use the new ones here [2014/11/04 12:30] Mal Burns: or put duplicatye screens on each keynote ??? [2014/11/04 12:30] Myron Curtis: Ok as far as I can tell, Keynote 4 has voice disabled. [2014/11/04 12:30] Ghaelen DLareh: I can't see the video - could the parcel options have something to do with it? [2014/11/04 12:30] Myron Curtis: I can use it in the landing area, but not here [2014/11/04 12:30] Ghaelen DLareh: These are off for hearing others on this parcel [2014/11/04 12:31] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sounds like a media on a prim issue [2014/11/04 12:31] Fleep Tuque: Ghaelen what KN are you in? [2014/11/04 12:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Ijust checked the media in Keynote 3 [2014/11/04 12:31] Ghaelen DLareh: 3 [2014/11/04 12:31] Mata Hari: me sees a video of a lot of scantily clad dancers :o [2014/11/04 12:31] Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3 [2014/11/04 12:31] Fleep Tuque: ok thanks [2014/11/04 12:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Keynote 3 has no media URL set. The texture for media is not the same in About Land as is shown on the player prim. [2014/11/04 12:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya its not going to work [2014/11/04 12:32] Ghaelen DLareh: ok [2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: outside of this region [2014/11/04 12:32] Myron Curtis: does anyone in Keynote 4 see the media, or hear voice? [2014/11/04 12:32] Nebadon Izumi: no [2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: your not going to [2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: no point in asking [2014/11/04 12:32] Nebadon Izumi: its just not going to work there [2014/11/04 12:32] Myron Curtis: ok [2014/11/04 12:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: That explains why no one in Keynote 3 can't see video [2014/11/04 12:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya [2014/11/04 12:32]  Nebadon Izumi: im just going to put screen away [2014/11/04 12:32] Myron Curtis: Interesting [2014/11/04 12:32] Andrew Hellershanks: s/can't/can/ [2014/11/04 12:32] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 205 connections [2014/11/04 12:32] Ghaelen DLareh: I am in keynote 3 and the screen just changed to a slide [2014/11/04 12:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, The texture in about land needs changing and the URL needs to be set. [2014/11/04 12:32] Sun Tzu is Offline [2014/11/04 12:32] Mata Hari: ah ha! Bluewall now has the dual port issue :p [2014/11/04 12:33] Sine Whatever: Inkeynote 2 and I see the slide [2014/11/04 12:33] Mal Burns: you coukld alos make screen as a HUD that ppl can optionally wear if probs [2014/11/04 12:33] Myron Curtis: ok I can now see a slide. [2014/11/04 12:33] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: looking ok so far, occasional scene time eleavtion on connections but that's expected [2014/11/04 12:33] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: otherwise good atm [2014/11/04 12:34] Andrew Hellershanks: If media is ok in 2, and settings need changing in 3, I'll check kn 4 [2014/11/04 12:34] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: stil logging in bots slower than previous weeks [2014/11/04 12:34] Mata Hari: it will persist forever now Bluewall...you're doomed! [2014/11/04 12:34] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 every 15 secs on each region [2014/11/04 12:34] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: now i dont see the video but hear the music yet [2014/11/04 12:34] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: to give them a better chance of apperaance loading, but it hitches up pretty quickly [2014/11/04 12:34] Kayaker Magic: Keynote 4 had not video [2014/11/04 12:34] Sine Whatever: periodically getting message that Singularity is not responding [2014/11/04 12:34] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: we don't general see this issue with real viewres so I suspect it's a pCampbot specific issue [2014/11/04 12:34] Nebadon Izumi: :/ [2014/11/04 12:34] Sine Whatever: is that my viewer? [2014/11/04 12:34] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: possibly just overload [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sine: oh really, but it's still working? [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: odd [2014/11/04 12:35] Sine Whatever: yes [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: windows is saying it isn't responding? [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: or singu itself? [2014/11/04 12:35] Sine Whatever: just installed 32 bit this morning [2014/11/04 12:35] Sine Whatever: screen goes black [2014/11/04 12:35] Sine Whatever: and says singularity not responding [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: urgh [2014/11/04 12:35] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but you can still text chat? [2014/11/04 12:35] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: ati card? [2014/11/04 12:36] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:36] Sine Whatever: not when screen is black [2014/11/04 12:36] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: sing doesnt seem to like ATI [2014/11/04 12:36] Sine Whatever: seems to come right back and then I can chat [2014/11/04 12:36] Myron Curtis: a lot of people have gas now [2014/11/04 12:36] ssmtest.ssmtest @hg.francogrid.org: a [2014/11/04 12:36]  Mata Hari: most easily solved by borrowing Neb's cat and letting it play with your power bar [2014/11/04 12:36] Fleep Tuque: lol [2014/11/04 12:36] Sine Whatever: lol [2014/11/04 12:36] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 228 connections [2014/11/04 12:36] Nebadon Izumi: haha [2014/11/04 12:36] Andrew Hellershanks: KN2, 3, and 4 don't have the stream URL set for media. KN2 doesn't have the right prim texture in about land that matches the texture on the large screen. KN3 and 4 have a different texture on the large screen than is shown in About Land. [2014/11/04 12:36] Nebadon Izumi: my cat shut off all my servers and internet this morning [2014/11/04 12:36] Nebadon Izumi: with the flick of his paw [2014/11/04 12:37] Mata Hari: clever cat [2014/11/04 12:37] Fleep Tuque: Neb I hope all thes avs you have up here are dressed ones :P [2014/11/04 12:37] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: I constantly have my video card drivers crash when using singularity, that is usually what it looks like. A black screen [2014/11/04 12:37] Andrew Hellershanks: Smart cat [2014/11/04 12:37] Fleep Tuque: I couldn't take screenshots of the stage the other day :P [2014/11/04 12:37] Arielle.Popstar @hypergrid.org:8002: cat prolly wanted food [2014/11/04 12:37] Nebadon Izumi: those are justins [2014/11/04 12:37] Nebadon Izumi: all i see is gas clouds [2014/11/04 12:37] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: and now, directly from Le Moulin Rouge, the NAKED AV show! [2014/11/04 12:37] Nebadon Izumi: on the couches [2014/11/04 12:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes, the bots have stopped loading appearance [2014/11/04 12:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: unfortunately [2014/11/04 12:37] Ghaelen DLareh: I have some screenshots, Fleep [2014/11/04 12:38] Rhiannon Chatnoir: thanks, yes screenshots are great [2014/11/04 12:38] Fleep Tuque: Neb do you have a video with no audio? [2014/11/04 12:38] Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3 slide changed again [2014/11/04 12:38] Fleep Tuque: A link? [2014/11/04 12:38] Andrew Hellershanks: uh oh [2014/11/04 12:38]  Andrew Hellershanks: hehe [2014/11/04 12:38] Andrew Hellershanks: yes [2014/11/04 12:39] Andrew Hellershanks: not sure who is now hearing chat but I hear them [2014/11/04 12:39] Myron Curtis: Keynote four the slide also changed [2014/11/04 12:39] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: bluegrass yeah! do it! [2014/11/04 12:39] Andrew Hellershanks: Nothing wrong withBluesgreass [2014/11/04 12:39] Mata Hari: bluegrass is good :) [2014/11/04 12:39]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: wish I could hear it, sigh [2014/11/04 12:39]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: approach 250 connections [2014/11/04 12:39]  Kayaker Magic: Keynote 4: slide says Today's Agenda [2014/11/04 12:39]  Marcus Llewellyn: reattach? [2014/11/04 12:39]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:40]  Ai Austin: LOTS of gas clouds now [2014/11/04 12:40]  Andrew Hellershanks: I bounced to other KN regions. Now that I'm back here I see clouds [2014/11/04 12:40]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: yes, I'm seeing slides change on 3 [2014/11/04 12:40]  Fleep Tuque: http://youtu.be/KF9aboincMc [2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Test [2014/11/04 12:40]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I see lots of clouds named ima bot... [2014/11/04 12:40] Kayaker Magic: KN3 slide change: Speaker Training [2014/11/04 12:40] [OSCC Zone 1] Marcus Llewellyn: test bakc atcha [2014/11/04 12:40] Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:40] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: got it [2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: received :) [2014/11/04 12:40]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 257 connections [2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] Mal Burns: received [2014/11/04 12:40]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: :) [2014/11/04 12:40] Ghaelen DLareh: I just saw bot tester 244 [2014/11/04 12:40] Kayaker Magic: KN3 slide change, looks like web pages [2014/11/04 12:40] [OSCC Zone 1] Mata Hari nods [2014/11/04 12:41] Ghaelen DLareh: keynote 3, yes I see a web page, too [2014/11/04 12:41] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: fairly stable, elevation of ft on connections [2014/11/04 12:41] Val Buss: Seeing slide changes ok in 2. Ambient sound only no voice [2014/11/04 12:41] Ghaelen DLareh: and a video [2014/11/04 12:41] Andrew Hellershanks doesn't hear the Bluegrass music [2014/11/04 12:41] Kayaker Magic: with live video in them! [2014/11/04 12:41] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Sing does not show groups, Firestorm voice not working [2014/11/04 12:41] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: oh, gotta love the Cox family! [2014/11/04 12:41] Ghaelen DLareh: no sound, though [2014/11/04 12:41] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: There is no such thing as lag - it is a figment of our imagination [2014/11/04 12:41] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: :S [2014/11/04 12:41] Mata Hari: relading for me too [2014/11/04 12:41] Zuza Ritt: can see video [2014/11/04 12:41] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: if only :) [2014/11/04 12:41]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: youtube i see KN 3 [2014/11/04 12:41]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: Oh... I just got about two seconds of sound... an ad, of course [2014/11/04 12:41]  Ghaelen DLareh: KN3, looks like youtube on the screen [2014/11/04 12:41]  Myron Curtis: video works in 4 [2014/11/04 12:41]  Kayaker Magic: make that full screen and I'd be happy! [2014/11/04 12:41]  Val Buss: Black screen with Youtube here but likely my end. [2014/11/04 12:41]  Val Buss: Ah, soundnow! [2014/11/04 12:41]  Sine Whatever: ah I have video and sound now [2014/11/04 12:42]  Kayaker Magic: Yes, sound in KN4, but low volume [2014/11/04 12:42]  Val Buss: No vid :( [2014/11/04 12:42] Val Buss: Suspect Flash version issue [2014/11/04 12:42] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:42] Ghaelen DLareh: I have vid but not sound in KN3 [2014/11/04 12:42] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: very low volume [2014/11/04 12:42] Mata Hari: I have vid but no audio [2014/11/04 12:42] Frans Charming: Country [2014/11/04 12:42] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: yes, a youtube page now [2014/11/04 12:42] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I got sound!... more ads, seriously!... [2014/11/04 12:42] Val Buss: Sorry guys - have to scoot. All the bet! [2014/11/04 12:42] Rhiannon Chatnoir: I see the MOAP video [2014/11/04 12:42] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: there is a bot sat next to me with no pants lol [2014/11/04 12:42] strannik.zipper @piratesatoll.com:9032: this is music from "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" - a classic [2014/11/04 12:42] Val Buss: bst! [2014/11/04 12:42] Andrew Hellershanks: I see no video in KN3. AFAICT there is no URL set in About Land [2014/11/04 12:42] Rhiannon Chatnoir: in Keynote 2 [2014/11/04 12:43] Val Buss: Lag b e s t [2014/11/04 12:43]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: moving to keynote 3 next [2014/11/04 12:43] Frans Charming: yea [2014/11/04 12:43] Fleep Tuque: So the YouTube video is NOT playing for anyone in KN2, 3, 4? [2014/11/04 12:43] Ghaelen DLareh: bot tester 251 to my right [2014/11/04 12:43] Fleep Tuque: Is that correct? [2014/11/04 12:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Justin likes to live dangerously. :) [2014/11/04 12:43] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 285 connections [2014/11/04 12:43]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: KN 3 has video [2014/11/04 12:44]  Ghaelen DLareh: the video is playing in KN3 but no sound [2014/11/04 12:44]  Myron Curtis: If I camera zoom in from KN 4 I can hear the music. [2014/11/04 12:44]  Andrew Hellershanks: Fleep, AFAICT, the other KNs do not have a URL in About Land [2014/11/04 12:44]  Rhiannon Chatnoir: see the MOAP video in keynote 3 [2014/11/04 12:44]  Delightful Doowangle: KN3 youtube working for me, no sound [2014/11/04 12:44]  Mal Burns: whew [2014/11/04 12:44]  Kayaker Magic: In KN4, sound and video, but I have to cam close to the screen to hear the sound [2014/11/04 12:44]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I got sound on KN3, and see the screen with what looks like a youtube page [2014/11/04 12:44]  Ada Radius: I'm hearing and seeing well from KN4 [2014/11/04 12:44] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: persistent ft elevation now in kn1 at 290 connections [2014/11/04 12:44] Ada Radius: yes, have to cam in to hear it well [2014/11/04 12:44] Sine Whatever: I'm in KN2 and I saw and heard video [2014/11/04 12:44] Sine Whatever: back to slides now [2014/11/04 12:44] Ghaelen DLareh: oh yes, camming way in gets very quiet sound fm KN3 [2014/11/04 12:44] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: oh, the sound volume goes up when I cam in to the screen [2014/11/04 12:45] Andrew Hellershanks: The only thing you were testting in the other KN's was just MOAP [2014/11/04 12:45] Andrew Hellershanks: ? [2014/11/04 12:45] Myron Curtis: ah if you sit in the chair it zooms you into hearing range [2014/11/04 12:45] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: no sound in MOAP in KN1 [2014/11/04 12:45] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods [2014/11/04 12:45] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: intelligent chairs :) [2014/11/04 12:45]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: poor nebadon trying to entertain the kids [2014/11/04 12:45]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I have a suggestion on helping people hearing the video, or getting their cameras close. [2014/11/04 12:45]  Ghaelen DLareh: hmmm, my chair not so smart then [2014/11/04 12:45]  Sine Whatever: lol Ghaelen [2014/11/04 12:46]  Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Offline [2014/11/04 12:46]  Mal Burns: prefs - you can set media to hear from camera position or avatar position - thinki cam position is default but will go up and down as you cam around Trulie [2014/11/04 12:46]  Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: volume is not loud enough when I click Esc and let the sim move the cam [2014/11/04 12:46]  Kayaker Magic: Play another video! [2014/11/04 12:46] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: adding another 23 bots to here to bring up to 100 [2014/11/04 12:46] Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 12:46] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 307 connections [2014/11/04 12:46] Andrew Hellershanks: Easy to make a "do something now" sign [2014/11/04 12:46] Alicia.Raven @grid.spellscape.co.uk: gotta go, bye for now :) [2014/11/04 12:46]  Be Austin: going quite slow now. sitting and dsatbndinf going slowly, and chat typing very slow [2014/11/04 12:46]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: denied call [2014/11/04 12:47]  [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: voice all the sudden started working for me [2014/11/04 12:47]  Frans Charming: yea [2014/11/04 12:47]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: that sounds like viewr overload [2014/11/04 12:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: yes [2014/11/04 12:47]  Jak Daniels: yes [2014/11/04 12:47]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: my av is ok [2014/11/04 12:47]  [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: I needed to jump to the region beside us to see all my groups [2014/11/04 12:47]  Jak Daniels: we hear you in parcel media [2014/11/04 12:47]  Andrew Hellershanks: I hear a phone ringing [2014/11/04 12:47] [OSCC Zone 1] Nebadon Izumi: odd [2014/11/04 12:48] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Mayb that is cached somehow [2014/11/04 12:48] Ghaelen DLareh: I hear voice over here in KN3! [2014/11/04 12:48] Andrew Hellershanks: I think I'm hearing the Skype call via the music stream in world [2014/11/04 12:48] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes [2014/11/04 12:48] Ghaelen DLareh: I am standing by the rope, though [2014/11/04 12:48] Nebadon Izumi: yes [2014/11/04 12:48] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 326 connections [2014/11/04 12:48] Ghaelen DLareh: maybe I hear the stream then [2014/11/04 12:48] Nebadon Izumi: i hear you [2014/11/04 12:48] Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: I hear you. [2014/11/04 12:48] Nebadon Izumi: sounds really good too [2014/11/04 12:48] Jak Daniels: yes, parcel audio [2014/11/04 12:48] Kayaker Magic: I hear audio! [2014/11/04 12:48] Nick Zwart is Online [2014/11/04 12:48] Delightful Doowangle: Hearing in KN3 too [2014/11/04 12:48] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: might be me [2014/11/04 12:48]  Nebadon Izumi: someone sounds really distorted [2014/11/04 12:49] Frans Charming: I'm not getting the parcel audio. [2014/11/04 12:49] Jak Daniels: and humming [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: you want me to close open vivox? [2014/11/04 12:49] Kayaker Magic: I hear it in KN4 [2014/11/04 12:49] Ghaelen DLareh: yes, hearing stream in KN3 now [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: huming must bs tream [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: be stream [2014/11/04 12:49] Kayaker Magic: HUMMMMMMMM [2014/11/04 12:49] Myron Curtis: Thanks for having me. Time to go back to my day job. Have fun. [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: heh mutiple voice sources are confusing [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye myron, thanks for coming [2014/11/04 12:49] Nebadon Izumi: sounds like a bitrate issue [2014/11/04 12:49] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: MOAP didnt have sound [2014/11/04 12:49] Nebadon Izumi: she sounds like a chipmunk [2014/11/04 12:49] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 333 connections [2014/11/04 12:49] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: I hear countdown [2014/11/04 12:49] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: sounds crunchy [2014/11/04 12:50] Mal Burns: have voice but no ther sounds (KN1) [2014/11/04 12:50] Kayaker Magic: No change in volume with distance on this feed. [2014/11/04 12:50] Ghaelen DLareh: should we all turn off voice? [2014/11/04 12:50] Andrew Hellershanks: I turned off voice and am hearing talking via the music stream [2014/11/04 12:50] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: via vivox? [2014/11/04 12:50] Frans Charming: there it goes, had to restart it. [2014/11/04 12:50] Nebadon Izumi: voice will be off here for the actual event [2014/11/04 12:50] Nebadon Izumi: its only on now for the load tests [2014/11/04 12:50] Mal Burns: yat - got stream skype now [2014/11/04 12:50] Truelie.Telling @craft-world.org:8002: FL calls... sorry, see y'all soon [2014/11/04 12:50] Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002: Wade [2014/11/04 12:51] Frans Charming: bye Truelie [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: Flep sounds good in Skype [2014/11/04 12:51] Kayaker Magic: Family Life? [2014/11/04 12:51] Andrew Hellershanks: ah, yes. I hear the buzzing noise from someone [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: other party is garbled [2014/11/04 12:51] Nebadon Izumi: so much better [2014/11/04 12:51] Andrew Hellershanks: That sounded good [2014/11/04 12:51] Kayaker Magic: Better, [2014/11/04 12:51] Kayaker Magic: Much better! [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: all is god now [2014/11/04 12:51] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 352 connections [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: god [2014/11/04 12:51] Nebadon Izumi: lol [2014/11/04 12:51] Nebadon Izumi: GOD!!!! [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: good [2014/11/04 12:51] [OSCC Zone 1] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net: hehe [2014/11/04 12:51] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: persistnet ft elevation in kn1 [2014/11/04 12:51] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: not hampering mvmt for me [2014/11/04 12:51]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no obvious chat lag [2014/11/04 12:51] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Sticky "O" [2014/11/04 12:52] Stephen.Xootfly @cc.opensimulator.org:8002 is Offline [2014/11/04 12:52] Andrew Hellershanks: 363 avatars and bots [2014/11/04 12:52] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: good we haven't had freezes again so far [2014/11/04 12:52] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though I suspect there are fewer hg ppl here as well [2014/11/04 12:53] Mata Hari: do you want me to go fetch one? [2014/11/04 12:53] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: sure [2014/11/04 12:53] Mata Hari: kk [2014/11/04 12:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ya no major freezing today [2014/11/04 12:53] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: actually, let's not say it just yet :0 [2014/11/04 12:53] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: it would be just the trigger :) [2014/11/04 12:53]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: javen'#t reached 400 conns yet [2014/11/04 12:53]  Ghaelen DLareh: still smooth to move, sound is clear, no lag for me in KN 3 [2014/11/04 12:54]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: and still didn't get roudn to fixing pCmapbot memleak, so hopefully it will hold out [2014/11/04 12:54]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Sounds God [2014/11/04 12:54]  Andrew Hellershanks is downloading latest Singularity Alpha viewer [2014/11/04 12:54]  Ghaelen DLareh: are bots still coming in? [2014/11/04 12:54]  Ghaelen DLareh: I saw bot 276 a while ago [2014/11/04 12:55]  Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: Seeing 390 listed in people [2014/11/04 12:55]  Andrew Hellershanks: I am hearing voice again [2014/11/04 12:55]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 283 connections [2014/11/04 12:55] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 382 rather [2014/11/04 12:55] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at 100 here [2014/11/04 12:56] Rhiannon Chatnoir is Online [2014/11/04 12:56] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 389 connections [2014/11/04 12:56] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [2014/11/04 12:56] Connected [2014/11/04 12:56] Crista Lopes: hello everyone [2014/11/04 12:56] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: gave me a voice conn back [2014/11/04 12:56] Fleep Tuque: Hi Crista, do you have voice? [2014/11/04 12:56] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: hi Crista! [2014/11/04 12:56] Ghaelen DLareh: Justin, how many 'bodies' in here do you know? [2014/11/04 12:56] Crista Lopes: errr. not on this viewer [2014/11/04 12:57] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: Seeing 399 listed in people [2014/11/04 12:57] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 391 ghaleen [2014/11/04 12:57] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: 400 [2014/11/04 12:57] Ghaelen DLareh: wow, cool [2014/11/04 12:57] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: voice and chat good [2014/11/04 12:57] Nick Zwart is Offline [2014/11/04 12:57] Crista Lopes: the bots are all the clouds, yes? [2014/11/04 12:57] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yes [2014/11/04 12:57] Rhiannon Chatnoir: so yes, it is helpful if as a moderator, or if you are fine with multitasking as a peresneter to also type the question in chat [2014/11/04 12:57] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: I still have pCampbot issues though a few more real appearances [2014/11/04 12:57] Crista Lopes: this feels very good [2014/11/04 12:58] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe... force of habit. I downloaded latest Singularity Alpha for Linux when I needed the one for Windows. :) [2014/11/04 12:58] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: so many clouds where the bots once stood [2014/11/04 12:58]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 403 connections [2014/11/04 12:58]  Ghaelen DLareh: huzzah! [2014/11/04 12:59]  Ghaelen DLareh: now I'm getting a little lag [2014/11/04 12:59]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: they had bodies before I answered the phone [2014/11/04 12:59]  Frans Charming: Justin you have a naked deformed avatar. [2014/11/04 12:59]  Crista Lopes: 405! [2014/11/04 12:59]  Nick Zwart is Online [2014/11/04 12:59]  Crista Lopes: awesome sauce [2014/11/04 12:59]  Andrew Hellershanks: I shold be logging out and getting back to documenting a software library. Also need to log out so I can upgrade this viewer. [2014/11/04 12:59]  Mal Burns: Crashed [2014/11/04 13:00]  Fleep Tuque: Oh one more reminder DO NOT USE THE OSCC VIEWER [2014/11/04 13:00]  Mal Burns: Hi Crista [2014/11/04 13:00] Crista Lopes: Hi Mal [2014/11/04 13:00] Fleep Tuque: Make sure you are NOT using last year's viewer! [2014/11/04 13:00] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: I see Fleep's avatar drifting off to the corner of the region [2014/11/04 13:00] Sine Whatever: everyone is turning to clouds for me [2014/11/04 13:00]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: managing numbers to 400 [2014/11/04 13:00] Nick Zwart: I was kicked off [2014/11/04 13:00] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though at some point pCampbot will crash [2014/11/04 13:00] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe... yeah, black bars [2014/11/04 13:00] Mal Burns: I am in OSCC viewer now - there is problem? [2014/11/04 13:00] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: that sounds painful [2014/11/04 13:00] Nick Zwart: it was [2014/11/04 13:00] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: "bake underwear into your skin" [2014/11/04 13:00] Ghaelen DLareh: Lag not bad [2014/11/04 13:01] Equus Staedler: Sit not working for me hehe... [2014/11/04 13:01] Equus Staedler: just arrived [2014/11/04 13:01] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: My viewer is consuming 2.3GB (Firestorm) [2014/11/04 13:01] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: sometimes it also won't pick up the alpha layer [2014/11/04 13:01] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Path, that sounds painful :( [2014/11/04 13:01]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: it will on rebake [2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: stable at about 400 connections [2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: elevated ft but mvmt largely ok [2014/11/04 13:01]  Andrew Hellershanks: I see clouds on all seats off the couches on stage [2014/11/04 13:01]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no significant chat lag at this time [2014/11/04 13:02]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: test [2014/11/04 13:02]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, unfortunately the bots on stage are apperance-less [2014/11/04 13:02]  Nick Zwart: lag? [2014/11/04 13:02]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: no chat lag [2014/11/04 13:02]  Crista Lopes: the clouds are bots [2014/11/04 13:02] Ghaelen DLareh: The 'real' avies are all solid for me (so to speak) [2014/11/04 13:03] Frans Charming: Did everyone in the US vote yet? Its voting day right? [2014/11/04 13:03] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at some point unfortunately pCampbot will crash [2014/11/04 13:03] Ghaelen DLareh: and video is playing in KN3 [2014/11/04 13:03] Crista Lopes: yes [2014/11/04 13:03] Crista Lopes: VOTE [2014/11/04 13:03] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: at which point we will lag to hell [2014/11/04 13:03] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but performance is stable at 400 now, which is good [2014/11/04 13:03] Andrew Hellershanks: See you at the conference. I'm going to head off to get back to software documentation [2014/11/04 13:03] Ghaelen DLareh: now slide has changed [2014/11/04 13:03] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye andrew [2014/11/04 13:03] Kayaker Magic: I saw a youtube page for a minute on the Big Screen [2014/11/04 13:03] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: Vote Early - Vote Often :D [2014/11/04 13:03] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: Vote Twice :) [2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks: See you at the conference [2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks waves [2014/11/04 13:04]  Andrew Hellershanks is Offline [2014/11/04 13:05]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: pCampbot failure [2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: one of my viewers crashed [2014/11/04 13:06]  Ghaelen DLareh is Offline [2014/11/04 13:06]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah and mass bot logoff [2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: other continues to operate on same system [2014/11/04 13:06]  Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: We didn't get kicked out this time [2014/11/04 13:06]  Ai Austin: one on keynote 2 crashed. keynote 1 okay [2014/11/04 13:07]  Kayaker Magic: 1:00PM local time, I have to get going in RL! Bye all. Replace me with a bot [2014/11/04 13:07]  Marcus Llewellyn: I still see lots os ima_bots [2014/11/04 13:07] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: Sim and Physics FPS has been pretty good eh whole time, more consistent than last time [2014/11/04 13:07] Ai Austin: Images at 406 avatars at http://blog.inf.ed.ac.uk/atate/2014/11/04/opensimulator-community-conference-2014-final-load-test/ [2014/11/04 13:07] Equus Staedler: Found a free seat finally wow [2014/11/04 13:07] Marcus Llewellyn: 13:07 [2014/11/04 13:08] James Abraham: ¡Qué bien! [2014/11/04 13:09] Ai Austin: got to go now - bye folks [2014/11/04 13:09] Ai Austin: well done [2014/11/04 13:09] Crista Lopes: ok I'm going to head off to Expo 1 [2014/11/04 13:09] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 13:09] Nebadon Izumi: see you Ai [2014/11/04 13:09]  Nebadon Izumi: ok Crista [2014/11/04 13:09] Fleep Tuque: Thanks Austin! [2014/11/04 13:09] Ai Austin: bye [2014/11/04 13:09] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000 braces for impact [2014/11/04 13:10] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000 straps on fluffy pillows [2014/11/04 13:10] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: lol [2014/11/04 13:10] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: and averts eye from naked alien Justin [2014/11/04 13:11] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: naked alien justin is the stuff of nightmares, indeed [2014/11/04 13:11] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: oops :) [2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: teehee [2014/11/04 13:11]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: serious thigh gap [2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol [2014/11/04 13:11]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797 [2014/11/04 13:11]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: always thought Ruth had clothes glued on [2014/11/04 13:11]  Mal Burns: ET with gentilia [2014/11/04 13:11]  Nick Zwart: How many will there be at the opening here? [2014/11/04 13:11]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: max cap is 400 [2014/11/04 13:12]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: though probably won't hit that due to no-shows [2014/11/04 13:12]  Nick Zwart: right [2014/11/04 13:12]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: what was max attendance last year? [2014/11/04 13:12] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: i'm watching a video of me watching a video... [2014/11/04 13:12] Marcus Llewellyn: lol [2014/11/04 13:12] Marcus Llewellyn: DOWN IN FRONT! [2014/11/04 13:13] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: wow I do not have any hair, who knew [2014/11/04 13:14] Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: hair is upside down :) [2014/11/04 13:14]  Nick Zwart: is there still some sound? [2014/11/04 13:14]  Nebadon Izumi: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/1524?v=3&amp;wmode=direct&amp;autoplay=true [2014/11/04 13:14]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: don't think so? [2014/11/04 13:14]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: relogging bots at high speed now [2014/11/04 13:15]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 1 every 2 seconds [2014/11/04 13:15]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: back to 252 so far [2014/11/04 13:15]  Nick Zwart: I dont hear sound after logging in again [2014/11/04 13:15]  Nick Zwart: in kn2 [2014/11/04 13:15]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&amp;wmode=direct&amp;autoplay=true [2014/11/04 13:16]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: no sound yet [2014/11/04 13:16]  Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&amp;wmode=direct&amp;autoplay=true [2014/11/04 13:16] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 321 connections [2014/11/04 13:16] Nick Zwart: nope [2014/11/04 13:17] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 350 [2014/11/04 13:17] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: People box lists 394 users [2014/11/04 13:17] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: argh, kn1 bots crashed [2014/11/04 13:18] Equus Staedler: No sound and seemingly no one voice enabled. But I was very late here [2014/11/04 13:18] Nick Zwart: voice is not enabled [2014/11/04 13:18] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yeah, no voice atm [2014/11/04 13:18] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: reonnect after an expected bot crash [2014/11/04 13:18] Fleep Tuque: Any humans in KN2, 3, or 4? [2014/11/04 13:19] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sure [2014/11/04 13:19] Sine Whatever: I am in KN2 [2014/11/04 13:19] Fleep Tuque: Can you click on the video screen and see if the video plays? [2014/11/04 13:19] Nick Zwart: I am in kn2 [2014/11/04 13:19] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: KN3 [2014/11/04 13:19] Equus Staedler: OK Justin [2014/11/04 13:19] Marcus Llewellyn: OSCC1 stream is live if you guys want to use that. [2014/11/04 13:19] Nick Zwart: I did [2014/11/04 13:19] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol [2014/11/04 13:19] Nick Zwart: I hear sound via the ustream [2014/11/04 13:19] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: cloud city [2014/11/04 13:19] Fleep Tuque: http://www.ustream.tv/embed/15794797?v=3&amp;wmode=direct&amp;autoplay=true [2014/11/04 13:20] Equus Staedler: Got libe stream going fine in external browser [2014/11/04 13:20] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 383 connections [2014/11/04 13:20] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: video stream works at KN3 [2014/11/04 13:20] Equus Staedler: *live [2014/11/04 13:20] Equus Staedler: KN 3 [2014/11/04 13:20] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sound too [2014/11/04 13:20] Sine Whatever: working for me in KN2 [2014/11/04 13:21] Sine Whatever: have video and audio [2014/11/04 13:22] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: MOAP has video and sound [2014/11/04 13:22] Mal Burns: video very laggy, showing ad and Learning Lab [2014/11/04 13:22] Mal Burns: kk - showing us now [2014/11/04 13:22] Nick Zwart: nothing here [2014/11/04 13:22] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: sound gone at Ustream now? [2014/11/04 13:22] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 13:22 [2014/11/04 13:23] Equus Staedler: Lost video and sound in live stream [2014/11/04 13:23] Mal Burns: have picture, no sound on ustream right now [2014/11/04 13:23] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: no sound in video now [2014/11/04 13:23] Equus Staedler: KN3 [2014/11/04 13:23] Jak Daniels: same here [2014/11/04 13:23] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: live stream via chrome working well [2014/11/04 13:23] Nick Zwart: strean is working but no sound there [2014/11/04 13:23] Equus Staedler: Video got going again but silent [2014/11/04 13:23] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: can'#t quite get that 400th bot in..... [2014/11/04 13:24] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: each viewer seems to have its own way of interfacimg wioth OpenGL and results in quite different appearance, Neb [2014/11/04 13:24] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods [2014/11/04 13:25] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: agree no audio via stream [2014/11/04 13:25] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: I have to check my regions on multiple viewers to check point light sources in particular [2014/11/04 13:25] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: allegedly 400 but don't believe that much [2014/11/04 13:25] Fred.Appleby @hg.viewtwo.net:8654: I see 399 in people list, + /me [2014/11/04 13:25] Nick Zwart: 399 [2014/11/04 13:26] Anne.Cordonnier @opensim2.u-strasbg.fr:8002: there was 400 [2014/11/04 13:26] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: 399 [2014/11/04 13:26] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: shor freeze in kn1 [2014/11/04 13:26] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lag [2014/11/04 13:26] Nick Zwart: yes lag [2014/11/04 13:26] Arielle.Popstar @login.greatcanadiangrid.ca:8002: 400 [2014/11/04 13:26] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: yes [2014/11/04 13:27] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: 10/142 in lower left corner of video screen, it means 10 see the video? [2014/11/04 13:27] Nick Zwart: yes [2014/11/04 13:27] Deanna.Janus @hypergrid.org:8002: 400, no sound, and lag [2014/11/04 13:27] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: there was a significant lag spike just now [2014/11/04 13:28] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: but I have a clue to the cause with some of my new debug tools [2014/11/04 13:28] Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: dang [2014/11/04 13:28] Nick Zwart: lucky you [2014/11/04 13:28] Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002: bye all :) [2014/11/04 13:28]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: i need a blimp! [2014/11/04 13:28]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: waves [2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: bye Dahlia [2014/11/04 13:28]  Marcus Llewellyn: Trees! [2014/11/04 13:28]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: bye dahlia [2014/11/04 13:28]  Mal Burns: no you cant lol [2014/11/04 13:28]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: By Dahlia [2014/11/04 13:28]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: nice [2014/11/04 13:28]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: so video is limited to 142 viewers [2014/11/04 13:28]  Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: bye Dahlia [2014/11/04 13:28]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Online [2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: yes that might be true [2014/11/04 13:28]  Nick Zwart: 142 [2014/11/04 13:29]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: then 4 screns would be needed [2014/11/04 13:29] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: seen that on so many grids [2014/11/04 13:30] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: 142? [2014/11/04 13:30] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: to parcel media? [2014/11/04 13:30] Fleep Tuque: Who was saying video is limited? [2014/11/04 13:30] vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: that was for the ustream [2014/11/04 13:30] Nick Zwart: 142 is the max ppl that can wathc the stream [2014/11/04 13:30] Fleep Tuque: ? [2014/11/04 13:30] Fleep Tuque: Why's that? [2014/11/04 13:30] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: a free ustream? [2014/11/04 13:30] Nick Zwart: it says now 8/142 [2014/11/04 13:31] Jak Daniels: 150 with 8 using it [2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: Oh no, we're paying for channel so no worries [2014/11/04 13:31] Fleep Tuque: That [2014/11/04 13:31] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: i see that left corner of Ustream live screen, 8/142 now [2014/11/04 13:31] Fleep Tuque: s just temporary [2014/11/04 13:31] Marcus Llewellyn: 142 is just how many have seen it recently. [2014/11/04 13:31] Frans Charming: 142 was porbably the maximum ever [2014/11/04 13:31] Mal Burns: inspired by twitter no doubt [2014/11/04 13:31] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: this is why the conference needs money... ;) [2014/11/04 13:31] Nick Zwart: ahhhhhhh [2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: I think that's the max that has ever viewed it concurrently [2014/11/04 13:31]  BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: f you have a basic (free) account there is no limitation on the number of the viewers or viewer hours. The cost of streaming on a free account is offset by in-video advertisements. [2014/11/04 13:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: or a very small part of it [2014/11/04 13:31]  Jak Daniels: 142 is the number of slots left [2014/11/04 13:31]  Dahlia.Trimble @grid.wwweb3d.net:8002 is Offline [2014/11/04 13:31]  Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002 nods [2014/11/04 13:31]  Frans Charming: the other keynotes don't hear you [2014/11/04 13:31]  Fleep Tuque: And in any case we're paying for ad free streams this year. (Thank you crowdfunder peeps!) [2014/11/04 13:32]  Fleep Tuque: :) [2014/11/04 13:32] Fleep Tuque: So there will be no ads for the conference [2014/11/04 13:32] Marcus Llewellyn: OSCC1 says 554. So.... heh [2014/11/04 13:32] Nick Zwart: When you hover over the 142 it sayssomething [2014/11/04 13:32] Nick Zwart: time watched [2014/11/04 13:32] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: ah yes, total times viewed it says [2014/11/04 13:32] Nick Zwart: times watched [2014/11/04 13:33] Nick Zwart: viewed [2014/11/04 13:33] Nick Zwart: Sorry, I see it in Dutch [2014/11/04 13:33] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: lol [2014/11/04 13:33] Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: me too [2014/11/04 13:33] Frans Charming: :) [2014/11/04 13:33]  Nick Zwart: 142 totaal aantal keren bekeken [2014/11/04 13:33]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: yes [2014/11/04 13:33]  vegaslon.plutonian @vegaslon.ddns.net:9000: so predictable [2014/11/04 13:34]  Nick Zwart: heard something [2014/11/04 13:34]  Marcus Llewellyn: Fly my monkeys! [2014/11/04 13:34]  Nick Zwart: Oh, that is advertising [2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Am I still here? [2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: Yes Nick [2014/11/04 13:36]  Elmo.Figaro @hypergrid.org:8002: yes [2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: ok thanks [2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: Geen dank [2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Hee Frnas [2014/11/04 13:36]  Nick Zwart: Frans [2014/11/04 13:36]  Frans Charming: :P [2014/11/04 13:36]  Arielle.Popstar @bound2.dyndns.org:8002: ok yes, not spotting her [2014/11/04 13:36]  Pathfinder.Lester @pathlandia.dlinkddns.com:9000: take care, folks [2014/11/04 13:37] Fleep Tuque: Thank you everyone! [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: test over, disconnecting bots [2014/11/04 13:37] Mal Burns: Bye Path [2014/11/04 13:37] Aine.Caoimhe @aine.x64.me:10000: okies....bye all.... [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: thanks a lot for coming everyone [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: good performance today - didn't see same issues as sat [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: some things to improve but need to be super cautious now [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: would be so easy to introduce a critical bug [2014/11/04 13:37] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: Great job on the performance improvements, thanks you and I look forward to seeing the changes over the coming months as they get done in the main branch. [2014/11/04 13:37] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: yep, I'll be very pleased to get these back into master [2014/11/04 13:37] Frans Charming: yay [2014/11/04 13:38] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: that's part of the whole point and maintaining another branch is a pain [2014/11/04 13:38] Frans Charming: yea I checked [2014/11/04 13:39] Seth.Nygard @snpcgrid.strangled.net:9000: have a great day everyone [2014/11/04 13:39] Mal Burns: make sure web site links to channels are set to target "self" - nothing worse than lots of tabs with autoplay enabled together [2014/11/04 13:39] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: disconn 1 [2014/11/04 13:39] Sun Tzu is Online [2014/11/04 13:39] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: back to 70 total [2014/11/04 13:39] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: some elevation of ft on kn1 [2014/11/04 13:39] Justin.ClarkCasey @grid.avacon.org:8002: returning to normal though [2014/11/04 13:40] Mal Burns: 1280 by 720