HyperGrid Team/Chat Logs/2009.0402

[14:30] Richardus Raymaker: hi marcus [14:30] Marcus Llewellyn: Hiyas. :) [14:30] Tiffany Sicling: wb eagle [14:30]  eaglefx Binder: Thanks Alot [14:30]  Jos Joszpe: I will spread my regions over osg just within max range [14:30]  Richardus Raymaker: the eagle has landed [14:30]  Tiffany Sicling: marcus ? [14:30]  Tiffany Sicling: lol [14:30]  Marcus Llewellyn: Ayeahs? [14:30]  eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:30]  Jos Joszpe: Hi Marcus [14:30]  Tiffany Sicling: hehe [14:31]  Tiffany Sicling: marcus is a cloud to me [14:31]  Marcus Llewellyn rebakes [14:31]  eaglefx Binder: Oh bugger Marcus you are naked!! [14:31]  Marcus Llewellyn: I am??? [14:31]  eaglefx Binder: yes [14:31]  Jos Joszpe: ah now I rmember your name marcus [14:31]  Jos Joszpe: got somethiong for you [14:31]  Tiffany Sicling: ahh, there ya are,Marcus [14:31]  eaglefx Binder: better, now you have pants ..lol [14:31]  Tiffany Sicling: green shirt, cap, etc. [14:31]  eaglefx Binder: and shirt [14:31]  Marcus Llewellyn: Thanks Jos! I grabbed one from your region already. Hehe. [14:32] Jos Joszpe: ohh coll [14:32] eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:32] Jos Joszpe: well your duck [14:32] Jos Joszpe: lol] [14:32] Jos Joszpe: great ! [14:32] eaglefx Binder: ;-) [14:32]  eaglefx Binder: Okis so the res taint showing up!? [14:32]  Jos Joszpe: I'm afraid not [14:32]  eaglefx Binder: uhmmm, well Aprisl Fool ... hahaha [14:33]  Jos Joszpe: that was yeterday [14:33]  eaglefx Binder: Ouch [14:33]  Jos Joszpe: la la la la lalala [14:33]  eaglefx Binder: okay well some progress we mad is the wiki got updated [14:33]  eaglefx Binder: we have been Wild Testing why the "Hall" didnt woork, so i think people make thair own halls" [14:34]  eaglefx Binder: HG teleporters [14:34]  Jos Joszpe: i just didn, t like teh design [14:34]  eaglefx Binder: nah it was not so good [14:34]  Jos Joszpe: and couldn't edit the scripts [14:34]  Tiffany Sicling: I planned on making some HG TP's here [14:34]  eaglefx Binder: yes thats the bad thing [14:34]  Tiffany Sicling: some on the wall behind Richardus [14:35]  eaglefx Binder: cool [14:35]  Jos Joszpe: yes that is nice [14:35] Richardus Raymaker: i get my own HG hall idea.. only need to see if i can make it [14:35] Tiffany Sicling: the grayed out ones are inactive [14:35] eaglefx Binder: Okay Jos did you have a List of what we had in plan today? [14:35] Tiffany Sicling: does anyone have a list of them ? [14:35] eaglefx Binder: but i guess it is maybe better to save it for next [14:35] Jos Joszpe: yes [14:35] Tiffany Sicling: oh, and btw, the 4096 limit on the coords [14:35] eaglefx Binder: yes, and i updated the Wiki as well [14:35] Tiffany Sicling: Nibiru is at [14:36]  Jos Joszpe: you can add that people can tp manually too [14:36] Jos Joszpe: it has the adresses in the notecrad [14:36] eaglefx Binder: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/HyperGrid_Team [14:36] Tiffany Sicling: 10075, 10075 [14:36] Tiffany Sicling: any region further than what, 4096 grid points away won't work ? [14:36] eaglefx Binder: yes we need to make a Table like the one there was already on Public Hyper Grids [14:36] Tiffany Sicling: 40 [14:37] eaglefx Binder: look on last link in that page [14:37] Jos Joszpe: I think tis [14:37] Jos Joszpe: about locations [14:37] Tiffany Sicling: originally, I was gonna make Dradis HG [14:37]  Jos Joszpe: I plan now on making 4 more hg regions in osg [14:37] Monk Zymurgy is Online [14:37] Jos Joszpe: place them as far as possible [14:37] Warin Cascabel is Offline [14:37] Tiffany Sicling: but it's touching Lbsa Plaza, and just residual AV traffic on Lbsa causes issues [14:37] Jos Joszpe: so you can jump further with jumps [14:38] Tiffany Sicling: maybe make a map [14:38] eaglefx Binder: yes we can make some maps of locations [14:38] Tiffany Sicling: and have some as half-way hubs [14:38] eaglefx Binder: yeps [14:38] Tiffany Sicling: to make going to certain ones 2 hops away from a sim that is further than the limit [14:38] Jos Joszpe: yes [14:39] Jos Joszpe: I plan on adding 4 hubs inworld [14:39] eaglefx Binder: it will be possible to place a sim inbetween [14:39] Tiffany Sicling: even on another grid or standalone, the coords have to be within reach [14:39] Jos Joszpe: yes [14:39] Jos Joszpe: like that we make a big grid available [14:39] Tiffany Sicling: yes [14:39] eaglefx Binder: look these [14:39] eaglefx Binder: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Public_Hypergrid_Nodes [14:39] Tiffany Sicling: and the hub areas would be like subway stations [14:40] Richardus Raymaker: i have something in mind. when i have time. make standalone on 2e server. and from that one you jump to a new grid i will try to run [14:40] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:40] Tiffany Sicling: problem with the lists though [14:40] Tiffany Sicling: is that the coords aren't in some [14:40] Tiffany Sicling: those are important [14:40] eaglefx Binder: yes we have to update the wiki with coords on each [14:40] Tiffany Sicling: or otherwise we jump and see shiny black all around lol [14:41] Tiffany Sicling: and a relog to fix [14:41] Tiffany Sicling: in most cases [14:41] Jos Joszpe: good list [14:41] eaglefx Binder: well it is one that was already on the wiki [14:41] eaglefx Binder: so i placed it under the new page [14:41] Jos Joszpe: i will look it over and map it out [14:41] Richardus Raymaker: i hope franco grid gets a gateway. now i dont look much there. need to relog then [14:42] Tiffany Sicling: would be nice to have a utility to go out and test them to see which ones are online [14:42] eaglefx Binder: yes, well we can make Hubs Ondemand maybe ;)) [14:42] Tiffany Sicling: grep for "find hippos quick" from an http hehe [14:42] Marcus Llewellyn: lol [14:42] Richardus Raymaker: not possible to do something with the http viewer ? [14:43] Tiffany Sicling: well, if a server is setup in world [14:43] Jos Joszpe: I do not mind going there to see [14:43] Jos Joszpe: I will do that [14:43] Tiffany Sicling: but have it connect to a php web server [14:43] eaglefx Binder: a pity kidd didnt come [14:43] Tiffany Sicling: have the web server check for sim up status [14:43] eaglefx Binder: she made a php/db already [14:43] Tiffany Sicling: then the inworld script asks for that [14:43] Tiffany Sicling: and adjusts prims and such inworld to match [14:43] eaglefx Binder: Oh here she comes [14:43] Marcus Llewellyn: Speak of the devil. ;) [14:43] eaglefx Binder: LOL [14:43]  Tiffany Sicling: hi kidd :) [14:44] kidd piko: hiya [14:44] kidd piko: my ears were ringing [14:44] Jos Joszpe: we strated early [14:44] eaglefx Binder: u are nakidd!! ;)) [14:44] Tiffany Sicling: lol [14:44] Jos Joszpe: sorry kidd [14:44] Jos Joszpe: forgot to menrion you [14:44] kidd piko: why did you do that?? [14:44] Richardus Raymaker: hi kmidd [14:44] Richardus Raymaker: kidd [14:44] Jos Joszpe: was down from being down [14:44] Tiffany Sicling thinks eagle has a nekkid detector [14:44] eaglefx Binder: hahah [14:44] eaglefx Binder P [14:44]  eaglefx Binder: Bleeh [14:44] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [14:44] eaglefx Binder: well could be i hav e.. hehe [14:45] eaglefx Binder: u are good now Kidd [14:45] kidd piko: thnx [14:45] eaglefx Binder: Oki can you warp us up on the php/db u made? [14:45] Tiffany Sicling: everybody looks normal 'cept for eagle [14:45] eaglefx Binder: Kidd [14:45] Tiffany Sicling: he's all gray to me [14:45]  Richardus Raymaker: no eagle is grey [14:45] eaglefx Binder: Oh wel i only wear a tux [14:46] Tiffany Sicling: your tux got bleach on it [14:46]  Jos Joszpe: it is hard to look normal ...... [14:46] eaglefx Binder: ;) [14:46]  Jos Joszpe: fo Eglefx [14:46]  Jos Joszpe: lol [14:46]  Tiffany Sicling: that fixed it [14:46]  eaglefx Binder: yupprs [14:47]  eaglefx Binder: Oki Kidd, can you tell about yout php/db? [14:47]  eaglefx Binder: your [14:47]  kidd piko: sure, but shouldn't we first take a look at the agenda that Jos made?? [14:47]  kidd piko: and is anyone keeping a log for the wiki?? [14:47]  Jos Joszpe: i never came to it [14:47]  Jos Joszpe: sorry [14:47]  eaglefx Binder: yes might be a good idea [14:47]  Jos Joszpe: but we do fine [14:48]  eaglefx Binder: yes well a agenda is always a good idea [14:48]  eaglefx Binder: read up ;) [14:48] Tiffany Sicling: ok, who is the meeting coordinator ? [14:48] Jos Joszpe: yes and i wanted to make one but it all crashed on me now [14:48] eaglefx Binder: Jos is [14:48]  Jos Joszpe: my memory won't jump in now [14:48] Marcus Llewellyn moves to appoint the gold brick coordinator. [14:48] kidd piko: the first thing that we should do is recap on old items [14:48] kidd piko: then go over new developments that happened since the last meeting [14:49] kidd piko: then discuss new items for the next week [14:49] Tiffany Sicling: diva is working on the HGinventory services [14:49] Jos Joszpe: yes and is good on her way [14:49] eaglefx Binder: great [14:49] kidd piko: do you know if she is going to make it tonight? [14:50] Richardus Raymaker: ok... [14:50] Tiffany Sicling: dunno [14:50] Jos Joszpe: I think not [14:50] Jos Joszpe: bluewall is oflinbe too [14:50] Tiffany Sicling: bluewall said he would like to be here, but he had RL issues to deal with [14:50] kidd piko: ok [14:50]  eaglefx Binder: well how about schedule them in next time maybe? [14:50] kidd piko: so about the HGinventory services... [14:51] kidd piko: what exactly is the purpose of that?? [14:51] Jos Joszpe: let me explain [14:51] kidd piko: transferring inventory between grids?? [14:51] Jos Joszpe: yes [14:51] Warin Cascabel is Online [14:51] Jos Joszpe: now after a jump or a half you loose items [14:51] eaglefx Binder: it works now but is a bit flaky [14:51] Jos Joszpe: cannot give or rezz [14:51] Jos Joszpe: so that needs to be stable [14:51] ARADTech KoolKam is Offline [14:51] Tiffany Sicling: I was at grid4us.net and got a copy of the airport [14:51] Richardus Raymaker: aha [14:52] Tiffany Sicling: but none of the scripts came over [14:52] Jos Joszpe: yes [14:52] kidd piko: tiffany, i have noticed the same thing [14:52] Richardus Raymaker: i have it to... "hypergrid accesories" [14:52] Jos Joszpe: like that [14:52] kidd piko: if you go back to grid4us, then you can open those scriopts [14:52] kidd piko: *scripts [14:52] eaglefx Binder: well i got a new one from Edy, and wierd enough only my own prim/script worked [14:52] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:52] Tiffany Sicling: are they public ? [14:52] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:52] Jos Joszpe: if I want to post m,ail at grid4 us [14:52]  Tiffany Sicling: ok [14:52]  Jos Joszpe: I have to create the note there [14:52] Jos Joszpe: and save it there [14:53] kidd piko: right [14:53] eaglefx Binder: Edy made it full perms [14:53] Tiffany Sicling: I have a mailbox under the red Nibiru logo over there so if anyone needs to contact me, drop a notecard in it [14:53]  kidd piko: i think that it may be possible to simply have the notecard open when you TP to the other grid [14:53] kidd piko: then it willtransfer with you [14:53] eaglefx Binder: but smomthing is wrong, we tried a whole evening to figure it out but didnt find a solution [14:53] Richardus Raymaker: we need a plaza with postoffice. you never remeber all the regions .. still need to install mailbox at my home [14:54] Tiffany Sicling: what is the coords for grid4us ? [14:54] Tiffany Sicling: I think it might be too far from here, as I tried from here and got all black shiny [14:54] Jos Joszpe: I have a mailbox at Magus Cup at the central pillar of freebie mill [14:54] eaglefx Binder: sec i have it here, i think secondlife://grid4us.net:9020/ [14:54] kidd piko: secondlife://grid4us.net:9020/ [14:54] Richardus Raymaker: would be good if the map gives a signel when its to far away [14:54] Tiffany Sicling: ahhh [14:54] kidd piko: that's from the wiki [14:54] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:54] Tiffany Sicling: I was trying port 8896 [14:55] eaglefx Binder: i remember that too [14:55] eaglefx Binder: did they change it? [14:55] Tiffany Sicling: if it's within the 4k coords, I'll make a button for it [14:55]  Jos Joszpe: eaglefx say wher your malebox is [14:55]  kidd piko: possibly. that's why a central DB will be good [14:55] Richardus Raymaker: aha [14:55] Jos Joszpe: mail ... [14:55] eaglefx Binder: Mine is here secondlife://217.157.61.105:9000:Sunred Gateway [14:56] Tiffany Sicling: the stargates in SL have a way that when you rez one, it reports it's location to a website [14:56] eaglefx Binder: also on wiki [14:56] Starky Rubble is Online [14:56] kidd piko: ok, can i make a suggestion?? [14:56] Jos Joszpe: can you say where to find it I make a notecard [14:56] Tiffany Sicling: would be cool to have a location reporting prim and a website intecept it [14:56]  Tiffany Sicling: to build a list dynamicly [14:56] eaglefx Binder: thats what Kidd made [14:56] Tiffany Sicling: dynamically [14:56] kidd piko: just to keep things a little more organised, why doesn't one person take the floor at a time?? [14:56] Richardus Raymaker: whoops. sounds nice [14:56] Tiffany Sicling: oh good :) [14:56]  eaglefx Binder: ;) [14:56] kidd piko: they can ask the Qs and make the statement that they need to make [14:57] eaglefx Binder: Ok [14:57]  kidd piko: and by the time we are done, everyone will have heard everything [14:57] kidd piko: Tiffany, would you like to start? [14:57] eaglefx Binder: yes good idea [14:58] eaglefx Binder: lol [14:58] ARADTech KoolKam is Online [14:58] eaglefx Binder: ladies sit [14:59] eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:59] kidd piko: now that everyone is seated, Tiffany, i believe you have the floor [14:59] eaglefx Binder: Gr8 [14:59] kidd piko: (nice call on the benches ;) ) [14:59]  eaglefx Binder: Okay who is wanting to be the Red lamp word dealer? ,) [15:00] eaglefx Binder: everybody here still? [15:00] kidd piko: yes, [15:00] Jos Joszpe: yes [15:00] Richardus Raymaker: yes [15:00] Tiffany Sicling: ok [15:00]  kidd piko: firstly, i just want to make sure that everyone ahs the wiki URL [15:00] Tiffany Sicling: I have a vision [15:01] Tiffany Sicling: website with dynamic prims [15:01] Tiffany Sicling: one prim for each region [15:01] Tiffany Sicling: that reports itself [15:01] Richardus Raymaker: opensimulator.org ? [15:01] Tiffany Sicling: but it also reports itself periodically so the website knows it's alive which means the sim it sits on is alive too [15:02] Richardus Raymaker: alive and alive. 2 things [15:02] Richardus Raymaker: sims are still alive but have 0sim fps [15:02] eaglefx Binder: it has to be special design so not on the normal opensimulator [15:02] Tiffany Sicling: or a module in opensim that does the reporting [15:03] Tiffany Sicling: but if the website is down, how do we know ? [15:03] Richardus Raymaker: its ncie if there's some module it report sim fps to [15:03]  Tiffany Sicling: making it peer 2 peer would be another project altogether though [15:03] kidd piko: this web site, that is similar to something i was thinking [15:03] kidd piko: but i wanted to do it in world [15:03] kidd piko: is that what you were thinking Tiffany? [15:03] Jos Joszpe: in + out [15:03] Monk Zymurgy is Online [15:03] eaglefx Binder: both i think would be best [15:04] Tiffany Sicling: well, website as the hub tracking unit [15:04] kidd piko: well, possibly. but we have to think of our target audience [15:04] Tiffany Sicling: in'world, some kind of interface [15:04] eaglefx Binder: auto prim rezzer ;) [15:04]  kidd piko: i beleive that most of the people that we want to reach are already in world most of the time that they are online [15:04]  Richardus Raymaker: website makes things maby less buggy ? [15:05]  Tiffany Sicling: well [15:05]  Richardus Raymaker: but inworld sounds maby saver ? [15:05]  Tiffany Sicling: for those that want to put up a sim [15:05]  Warin Cascabel is Offline [15:05]  Tiffany Sicling: but doing it on a grid may be difficult for them [15:05]  Richardus Raymaker: you talk abouit standalones [15:05]  Richardus Raymaker: with OSGRID as main hub [15:05]  Tiffany Sicling: or someone that wants to get exposure for their standalone and/or private grid [15:06]  Jos Joszpe gave you mailboxes. [15:06]  Tiffany Sicling: well, it doesn't have to be OSG as the main hub [15:06]  ARADTech KoolKam is Offline [15:06]  Tiffany Sicling: but some place that is reliable and maintained [15:06] Tiffany Sicling: has a good connection [15:06] Jos Joszpe: I I may ... [15:06] kidd piko: i can provide a realtime list of active HG regions to a prim [15:06] Tiffany Sicling: ty jos for that notecard :) [15:07]  Tiffany Sicling: I have a TP script that gives a menu of choices to TP to [15:07]  Richardus Raymaker: ok. some server that can handle avatars [15:07]  Jos Joszpe: Bluewall suspects that osg will become a crossroads for HG ... I tend to see that possibillity too [15:07]  eaglefx Binder: well that aint that bad ;) [15:08] Tiffany Sicling: server stats for system Nibiru is on: CPU% 9, MEM% 11 [15:08] kidd piko: Tiffany, if i gave you the data in strings, could you add the menu functionality? [15:08] Tiffany Sicling: but only 5 AVs here [15:08] Richardus Raymaker: i like the prim idea that communicate to website. when region is online. else inworld it dont work between different worlds i think [15:08] Tiffany Sicling: yes, I believe I can [15:09] kidd piko: Ricahrd, what do you see as being a possible problem doing ti in world? [15:09] Richardus Raymaker: lets say i run a standalone. with HG. not connected to osgrid. how can it tell osgrid im up ? [15:09] Richardus Raymaker: only HG conencted to sogrid [15:09] ARADTech KoolKam is Online [15:09] kidd piko: ok.. [15:09] eaglefx Binder: it has a url [15:10] kidd piko: i beleive we already have a solution for that [15:10] kidd piko: i will tell you about a prototype that i did [15:10] Richardus Raymaker: ok [15:10]  Tiffany Sicling: a TP menu could query the php server for list of known working regions, and apply as choices [15:10] kidd piko: it is basically a prim that can communicate with a web server to report verious things such as status [15:10] eaglefx Binder: sounds like a good choice [15:10] Monk Zymurgy is Online [15:10] Richardus Raymaker: yes. so we still use webbased interface. [15:11] kidd piko: plus there is the obvious, if it is not comminucating, it is not up and running and remove it from the list [15:11] Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:11] Starky Rubble is Online [15:11] Richardus Raymaker: remove or not clickable [15:11] kidd piko: Richardus, if you have the data in PHP, could you create a web interface for it? [15:12] eaglefx Binder: who? [15:12] Richardus Raymaker: have not done so much with php.. normal i could try. but still try to get thing here fixt first [15:12] Richardus Raymaker: im not so fast with doing things [15:13] eaglefx Binder: ;) [15:13]  kidd piko: do you know how to work with strings to print them out to a web page? [15:13]  Tiffany Sicling: the stick trick april 1 fools thing can run potential people away [15:13]  Richardus Raymaker: not sure how your example works/looks now :) [15:13] eaglefx Binder: it is pretty good documented on php.net [15:13] Jos Joszpe: off subject yes [15:13] Richardus Raymaker: yes. i know some php [15:13] Richardus Raymaker: yes eaglefx [15:14] Tiffany Sicling: I know some php also, but don't claim to be an expert [15:14] kidd piko: Richardus, i am saying that we can use the same database in world AND RL on a web site [15:14] eaglefx Binder: yes [15:14] kidd piko: but it doesn't sound like we have anyone at the moment to really take that on [15:14]  Tiffany Sicling: use same DB [15:14]  kidd piko: i'm not sure [15:14] Tiffany Sicling: website to show data [15:14] Tiffany Sicling: and interface php for the inworld prims [15:14] Richardus Raymaker: i tried to make a a webshop. come a big end. but stopped with that. just a bit to difficult [15:14] kidd piko: i'm not sure, that's just what i am hearing [15:15] eaglefx Binder: i can have a web running, here i'm not php/not mysql expert ;) [15:15]  Richardus Raymaker: depends on how difficult we do.. [15:15]  Warin Cascabel is Online [15:15]  Richardus Raymaker: we can always try something [15:15]  Richardus Raymaker: the danger is to kepe mysql save with web [15:15]  kidd piko: right, we really don;t want anyone to get bogged down on any aspect when they could be more effective in a different aspect [15:16]  eaglefx Binder: php will keep that off [15:16]  Tiffany Sicling: my mysql only responds to localhost calls [15:16]  Jos Joszpe: I think the idea is great and can be done [15:16]  eaglefx Binder: yes [15:16]  Jos Joszpe: it seeems logic [15:16]  Jos Joszpe: if we cannot do it we note it and keep it in mind [15:16]  Richardus Raymaker: i mean, filter input if theres some webinput. but i think your script does only output ? [15:16]  eaglefx Binder: mysql do not need to be exposted public [15:17] Richardus Raymaker: for now i dont know how you made it [15:17]  kidd piko: right, jos. that's exactly waht i was thinking [15:17] Tiffany Sicling: could always require user/pass to access website for HG stats [15:17] kidd piko: maybe over the next week one of us will find someone who might be interested in workling on that [15:17] Richardus Raymaker: makeing a webpage with some php data into it is not so difficult [15:17] Richardus Raymaker: do you have example running ? [15:17] eaglefx Binder: yes how about try make a prototype? [15:17] Tiffany Sicling: that would keep the honest people out [15:18] Richardus Raymaker: thats first step [15:18] Jos Joszpe: Kidd, could you discribe this idea in a short way in anotecrad so we van hand that out ? [15:18] Tiffany Sicling: kidd, do you have any script to php example working ? [15:18] kidd piko: Richardus, i have started the database, but i just use php to interface with the mysql, but not a web page [15:19] kidd piko: php works between the databse and the prim [15:19] kidd piko: but php could also send the same data to a web page [15:19] kidd piko: someone would ahve to know something about templates [15:19] Tiffany Sicling: well, the web page can query the same DB file and get the information from it [15:19]  Richardus Raymaker: i like to try something maby with the webside. but dont know if it will be something [15:19] kidd piko: that's right [15:20] Richardus Raymaker: templates is a nono [15:20] kidd piko: ok, taht sounds good Richardus [15:20] Tiffany Sicling: I work with phpnuke, which uses that db access [15:20] Richardus Raymaker: dont know that one [15:20] Tiffany Sicling: phpnuke is a content management system [15:20] eaglefx Binder: yes [15:21] Richardus Raymaker: i mainly build from html. with sometimes a bit help with a editor (no not freontpage) [15:21] Jos Joszpe: Can someone write the idea shortly in anotecard to hand out if we meet peopel who might be wiling to do it ? [15:21] Warin Cascabel is Offline [15:21] kidd piko: you mean a flyer, Jos [15:21] eaglefx Binder: on ther wiki [15:21] Jos Joszpe: sort of [15:21]  kidd piko: that's and excellent idea [15:21] eaglefx Binder: put it on wiki [15:21] Jos Joszpe: yes wikli would be great for this [15:21] Jos Joszpe: but inworld too pls [15:21] eaglefx Binder: yes cuz then everyone knows where to find it [15:22]  Tiffany Sicling: I wish groups were working here [15:22] Richardus Raymaker: if the php code is ready the webinterface must not be difficult. for a first try [15:22] kidd piko: people should be able to make quick nots in realtime: [15:22] kidd piko: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/HyperGrid_Team [15:22] eaglefx Binder: hehe yes we want groups [15:22] Tiffany Sicling: groups makes it easier to send stuff to all members [15:22] kidd piko: *quick notes [15:23] eaglefx Binder: worst here is getting it distributed around still [15:23] Richardus Raymaker: so if there's some working php. with inworld.. we can try some simple interface.. if i have the idea how and what. [15:23] Starky Rubble is Online [15:23] kidd piko: Tiffany, do you know if dynamic creation of prims is possible?? [15:23] Tiffany Sicling: you mean one prim creates another ? [15:23] Jos Joszpe: yes I trhink so [15:23]  Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:23] Richardus Raymaker: thats why a postoffice on plaza would be nice. :) so we have a central place for notecards [15:24] kidd piko: ok, because that is a way that we can make our in world web site be expandable [15:24]  Richardus Raymaker: where iportant groups can have some mailboxes [15:24]  Tiffany Sicling: oh I just thought of something [15:24]  eaglefx Binder: we can make a Notecard Board one one region maybe [15:24]  Jos Joszpe: sure [15:24]  kidd piko: if there are 5 HG regions at the moment, then it will only create 5 viewer prims [15:25]  Tiffany Sicling: or have them all rezzed [15:25]  Tiffany Sicling: but change the color of them if they are online or not [15:25]  eaglefx Binder: Tiffany, yours send emails from prim right? [15:25]  kidd piko: ahhh, very nice idea [15:25]  eaglefx Binder: yes red or green ;) [15:25] Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:25] kidd piko: that's an option [15:25] Tiffany Sicling: no, my mailbox just takes notecards [15:25] eaglefx Binder: Oh ok [15:25]  Tiffany Sicling: but I could make one that sends emails [15:25] eaglefx Binder: i saw a video from IBM they had a cool Notes Board [15:26] Tiffany Sicling: might have to enable email in the .ini file [15:26] eaglefx Binder: yes [15:26] eaglefx Binder: smtp [15:26] kidd piko: i didn't think that email was working at all in OS?? [15:26] Tiffany Sicling: there are workarounds for it [15:26]  eaglefx Binder: there is a SMTP section in ini file [15:26] Jos Joszpe: but [15:27] Jos Joszpe: maybe em,ailsys would be hard to keep track of who is in and who not [15:27] Jos Joszpe: boxes are visual [15:27] eaglefx Binder: it is the notify [15:27] Tiffany Sicling: what about online indicators [15:27] eaglefx Binder: thats important [15:27] eaglefx Binder: nagios!? ;) [15:27] Jos Joszpe: huh ? [15:28]  eaglefx Binder: lol [15:28]  eaglefx Binder: nah thats too complex [15:28]  Jos Joszpe: Ik vote for a simple mailboxes board [15:28]  Jos Joszpe: ana add who joins the team [15:28]  eaglefx Binder: Yellow Notes Board [15:28]  Richardus Raymaker: can the board communicate with each other ? [15:29]  Jos Joszpe: the board is just 1 thing [15:29]  eaglefx Binder: my idea was to have a notify system, so u will know there is mail if it is inworld, kinda like SL [15:29]  Jos Joszpe: good [15:29]  Tiffany Sicling: how will that work, though across different grids and standalones ? [15:29]  Richardus Raymaker: how do you know the avatar recieve that message ? [15:30]  Richardus Raymaker: a board oin that grid ? [15:30]  Tiffany Sicling: would have to have a central server for that [15:30]  eaglefx Binder: i was mainly thinking of us here, and other members [15:30]  Richardus Raymaker: same as with the HG stuff. [15:31] Tiffany Sicling: bluewall is working on a networked notice/schedule board [15:31] Tiffany Sicling: uses a website [15:31] eaglefx Binder: ok [15:31]  Richardus Raymaker: aha, little change and it works for this to [15:32]  Tiffany Sicling: new schedule and info put in at website... all inworld prims would read it and post it up using osDynamicTexture [15:32] kidd piko: well, BlueWall would know if it was a little change [15:32] kidd piko: yes, networked prims is a must [15:32] Richardus Raymaker: need to enable that first then :O [15:32] Richardus Raymaker: its default off in ini sofar i saw [15:33] Tiffany Sicling: I have osTeleportAgent, osDynamicTexture and some other osXXXXX enabled here [15:33] Richardus Raymaker: ? you can config what may work ? [15:33] kidd piko: what is osTeleportAgent for? [15:34] Tiffany Sicling: that makes it where you can click on a prim or menu box and immediately TP [15:34]  Tiffany Sicling: no map [15:34] Richardus Raymaker: btw, i still have a grey map tile on my HG region. made a new ini. [15:34] kidd piko: btw, osDynamicTexture is the only way that i know of to do this [15:34] Richardus Raymaker: someone idea how to fix that ? [15:34] kidd piko: wow, that is great [15:34] kidd piko: fix what, Richardus? [15:34] eaglefx Binder: did you guys wver goto College of Music And Sience in SL? [15:35] Tiffany Sicling: no [15:35]  Richardus Raymaker: a grey map tile in my region. its the HG one [15:35] eaglefx Binder: that has a TON of script information [15:35] Jos Joszpe: Tiffany does that TP over simboarders or to and from HG destinations ? [15:35] Richardus Raymaker: its next to razorwulf ? [15:35] Richardus Raymaker: its a nic eplace [15:35] kidd piko: no, i don't Richardus [15:35] Tiffany Sicling: osTeleportAgent works HG and inworld to any sim any location [15:35] Jos Joszpe: very nice [15:36] Tiffany Sicling: HG within the 4k coords though [15:36] eaglefx Binder: yes we tried it but u had crash problems didnt u? [15:36]  Jos Joszpe: yes offcoarse [15:36] kidd piko: wow, ook [15:36] Jos Joszpe: that is an ineresting sytem to devellop [15:36] Tiffany Sicling: yes, there was issues, but I think they were more related to Dradis being bombarded by Lbsa's traffic [15:36] eaglefx Binder: ok [15:37]  Starky Rubble is Online [15:37] eaglefx Binder: well okay what then we try make a prototype? og lets say 5 links? [15:37] eaglefx Binder: or what? [15:37] kidd piko: yes, that sounds like a great idea [15:37] eaglefx Binder: or one ;) [15:37]  kidd piko: one and then 5 [15:37]  eaglefx Binder: lol [15:38]  Richardus Raymaker: i think the webpage cant be difficult. it needs only to show online grids/regions. maby the offline ones to [15:38]  eaglefx Binder: one then 10.000 [15:38]  eaglefx Binder: ;) [15:38] Jos Joszpe: we have several HG eneabled sims [15:38] kidd piko: then we can work on combining that functionality with the data from the DB [15:38]  Jos Joszpe: lets not be too picky [15:39] eaglefx Binder: ok we have to write the plan idea maybe first in the wiki on what we want! [15:39] Jos Joszpe: so .. please say this test in one sentence ... [15:39] eaglefx Binder: i mean the ideas, maybe [15:39] kidd piko: i thought that someone was making ntes on the wiki as we speak [15:39] eaglefx Binder: no we save the history [15:40] Jos Joszpe: I'm trying to make a to do list [15:40] eaglefx Binder: ok [15:40]  Primitive: Script running [15:40] Primitive: Script running [15:40] eaglefx Binder: i will start to write on the wiki for the how to setup the HG/OSG for starters, hope i get some time soon [15:41] Richardus Raymaker: and when something is availble. maby we can make some very basic webpage. [15:41] Primitive: Dradis:Dradis:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:41] Primitive: OSGSB:Sandbox Plaza:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:41] Primitive: Teravus:Teravus Plaza:<56,84,32>:<128,0,25> [15:41] Primitive: Wright:Wright Plaza:<128,128,21:<128,0,25> [15:41] Primitive: Mopoly:Monopoly:<189,74,62>:<128,0,65> [15:41] Primitive: [15:41] Primitive: [15:42] eaglefx Binder: seems like Tiffany already did ;)) [15:42] Jos Joszpe: yes ... [15:42] Primitive: Dradis:Dradis:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:42] Primitive: OSGSB:Sandbox Plaza:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:42] Primitive: Teravus:Teravus Plaza:<56,84,32>:<128,0,25> [15:42] Primitive: Wright:Wright Plaza:<128,128,21:<128,0,25> [15:42] Primitive: Mopoly:Monopoly:<189,74,62>:<128,0,65> [15:42] kidd piko: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/HyperGrid_Team/Todo [15:42] Primitive: Script running [15:42] eaglefx Binder: okis [15:43] Primitive: Script running [15:43] Richardus Raymaker: i dont see a menu. but that muts be ok [15:43] eaglefx Binder: Ah nice [15:43] Richardus Raymaker: only a menu window [15:43] Tiffany Sicling: yes, the destinations go into a notecard [15:43] Richardus Raymaker: aha.. [15:44] HG Cube: Dradis:Dradis:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:44] HG Cube: OSGSB:Sandbox Plaza:<128,128,21>:<128,0,25> [15:44] HG Cube: Teravus:Teravus Plaza:<56,84,32>:<128,0,25> [15:44] HG Cube: Wright:Wright Plaza:<128,128,21:<128,0,25> [15:44] HG Cube: Mopoly:Monopoly:<189,74,62>:<128,0,65> [15:44] Tiffany Sicling: now the menu shows destinations, but if you CLICK ONE, you go there immediately [15:44] kidd piko: nice! [15:44] Jos Joszpe: very nice [15:44] Tiffany Sicling: and HG destinations work [15:45] kidd piko: Tiffany, do you know how to get text imput from a chat channels into a prim? [15:45] Richardus Raymaker: you walk into the HG hall. and see. 1 small box ! :) [15:45] Jos Joszpe: thiis will appeal very much to people and make them feel very comfortable in hg and so on [15:45]  Richardus Raymaker: yes [15:45]  Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:45]  Tiffany Sicling: text input is easy [15:45]  Tiffany Sicling: now what I was thinking [15:46]  Tiffany Sicling: is setting up each box for different areas [15:46]  kidd piko: because that how we would get text imput from people into the DB [15:46]  Tiffany Sicling: like one for OSG [15:46]  Tiffany Sicling: another for standalones [15:46]  Tiffany Sicling: another for grids [15:46]  Tiffany Sicling: etc [15:46]  Richardus Raymaker: if you can use the box also as landing point [15:46]  Richardus Raymaker: if its not set in about land [15:47]  Tiffany Sicling: that's possible [15:47]  Tiffany Sicling: but you would have to make it on the floor [15:47]  Tiffany Sicling: or a part of the floor [15:47]  Tiffany Sicling: like a TP unit in SL [15:47]  Jos Joszpe: or land mid air LOL [15:48] Richardus Raymaker: you cannot read the coordinates from the box place ? [15:48] Richardus Raymaker: aha, understand [15:49] eaglefx Binder: ok, so u wann aconnect that to the DB? [15:49] kidd piko: well, listen... [15:49] Jos Joszpe: I think this is very promessing [15:50] kidd piko: when it comes down to it, the easiest way for us to tie all of the HGs and HG needs together is via: [15:50] kidd piko: prim <-> httpd <-> php <-> mysql [15:50] eaglefx Binder: sounds true [15:51] Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:51] eaglefx Binder: but where u wanna have the db? [15:51] eaglefx Binder: central station? [15:51] kidd piko: i have already done prototypes of moving the data both ways from the prim to the db and from the db back to the prim [15:51] Tiffany Sicling: I'm not saavy doing prim to web, never done it [15:52]  Richardus Raymaker: if its in the database then its not so difficult to get it to web [15:52] eaglefx Binder: Adelle said she can do that in LSL [15:52] Jos Joszpe: but DB tpo web is pretty normal I think ? [15:52] Richardus Raymaker: read the database with php and make a webpage [15:52] Richardus Raymaker: thats not so difficult [15:52] eaglefx Binder: it could be good to have a simple: Post your HG Urls here, on the same webpage [15:53] Richardus Raymaker: on;ly need to have some local test setup here i think [15:53] kidd piko: yes, very true. but i believe in terms of our priorities, having a central mail system (for example) is higher than having a web site/page [15:53] kidd piko: am i wrong ?? [15:53] Richardus Raymaker: hmm. or just do it also inworld [15:53] Richardus Raymaker: so you save some security trouble on the web side [15:53] Jos Joszpe: no mail is importan [15:53] Jos Joszpe: t [15:53]  Tiffany Sicling: once you involve emails, you have to watch for someone hacking in-world to send out spam [15:54] kidd piko: we don;t need to use SMTP [15:54] kidd piko: at all [15:54] eaglefx Binder: well the ICEcore i have can be used for email [15:54] Richardus Raymaker: just something like /9 slurl. only need to filter it anyway for bad commands [15:54] eaglefx Binder: but then people needs to login and bla bla [15:54] Richardus Raymaker: you can use the same methode as the HG box [15:54] kidd piko: jsut the same path that i outlined above: prim<->db<->prim [15:54] Tiffany Sicling: yes, and send that to a temp db for moderation ? [15:55] Richardus Raymaker: not prim<->DB<->web<->prim [15:55] Jos Joszpe: keep teh group small for straters [15:55] kidd piko: if it is inworld, then where ever they login to the grid, they are already authenticated for an in world mail system [15:55] Richardus Raymaker: a bit wrong order... [15:55] Jos Joszpe: just who needs to be involved [15:55] Tiffany Sicling: what about Warin ? [15:55] Tiffany Sicling: he kicks butt in scripting I think [15:56] eaglefx Binder: Ok i think you know him best ;) [15:56]  eaglefx Binder: ask him maybe [15:56]  Tiffany Sicling: I'll ask [15:56]  Tiffany Sicling: he made my solar panels track the sun with different prims talking to each other in the linkset [15:56]  Tiffany Sicling: and he does messaging [15:56]  Richardus Raymaker: only thing the HG webpage need is some lsurl where you can retrieve a HG utility box [15:56]  eaglefx Binder: Adelle is also willing to participate a llittle on the inworld side she said [15:56]  Richardus Raymaker: ughh. bad type today [15:57]  Richardus Raymaker: so you can HG from your world to OSG and get a box [15:57]  Tiffany Sicling: I'll ask Warin what he think would be a good approach to the messaging and distribution [15:57]  eaglefx Binder: u mean between people? [15:57]  Tiffany Sicling: yes [15:58]  eaglefx Binder: oks [15:58]  Tiffany Sicling: don't have groups, gotta have some other way to do it [15:58]  eaglefx Binder: yes, what is the progress on groups, anyone of you know? [15:58] Jos Joszpe: when will groups be created? [15:58] Jos Joszpe: any idea? [15:58] Tiffany Sicling: I don't think they are on the top of the list [15:58] Richardus Raymaker: not soon i think [15:58] kidd piko: is anything missing here so far: [15:58] kidd piko: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/HyperGrid_Team/Todo#Hypergrid_Team_ToDo [15:59] Jos Joszpe: everything ..lol [15:59] Jos Joszpe: I'm noting some inhere [15:59] Tiffany Sicling: that sums it up so far I think [15:59] eaglefx Binder: ok [16:00]  kidd piko: Jos why don;t you add your to it now [16:00] Richardus Raymaker: i dont see anything missing now [16:00] Jos Joszpe: mahh not familiar with the system and tired [16:00] Jos Joszpe: I give all of you anotecard [16:00] Tiffany Sicling: I need a couple of good reliable offworld HG destinations [16:00] Tiffany Sicling: for testing [16:01] eaglefx Binder: mine is always up [16:01]  Jos Joszpe: I will try to get mine bacvk on tomorrow [16:01] kidd piko: ahh, ok. just don;t want anything to fall between the cracks [16:01] Jos Joszpe: if all is ok it should not crash PP [16:01]  eaglefx Binder: ;) [16:01]  Richardus Raymaker: I have one running on vps till august/september [16:01]  Tiffany Sicling: do you know the coords right off ? [16:01]  eaglefx Binder: me? [16:01]  Tiffany Sicling: yes [16:01]  eaglefx Binder: 11111, 11111 [16:01]  Tiffany Sicling: ok good, that's within range [16:01]  eaglefx Binder: Sunred Hyper it is [16:01]  Jos Joszpe: 11112,11112 [16:02]  Richardus Raymaker: mine is 2 from eaglefx :) [16:02] eaglefx Binder: my 64 Bit tester [16:02] Tiffany Sicling: those are off-OSG? [16:02] Jos Joszpe: Magus Hyper is mine [16:02] eaglefx Binder: yes mine is a standalone [16:02] Jos Joszpe: mine to as for now [16:02] Tiffany Sicling: ok [16:02]  Richardus Raymaker: dont know the amount of bits. let mee gte the coordinates [16:02] Tiffany Sicling: Nibiru is at 10075, 10075 [16:03] eaglefx Binder: lets get the coords on the wiki as well [16:03] eaglefx Binder: can everybody update thair own? [16:03] Tiffany Sicling: this way I can test the menu TP to make sure they are working [16:03] Richardus Raymaker: did others tried my HG vps ? i think its pretty stabel [16:03] Richardus Raymaker: 11109,11111 [16:04] eaglefx Binder: i have been jumping back and forth alot the past 14 days [16:04] Jos Joszpe: I have to get magus hyper back on firts will tell you when done Tiffany [16:04] Richardus Raymaker: its a standalone [16:04] Jos Joszpe: I tried to go butcould not once [16:04] Tiffany Sicling: ty jos :) [16:05]  Richardus Raymaker: to wich one jos ? [16:05]  Jos Joszpe: richardusses hyper [16:05]  Jos Joszpe: richtech .. [16:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hmm.. [16:05]  Richardus Raymaker: from where ? maby it where down [16:05]  Jos Joszpe: I'll check my srever for a sec [16:05]  Tiffany Sicling: I have a standalone, but I don't keep it up all the time [16:06]  Richardus Raymaker: wow. my HG is grazy on console [16:06]  eaglefx Binder: can u repeat the coords, i will update the wiki right away [16:06]  Tiffany Sicling: Nibiru: 10075, 10075 [16:06]  Richardus Raymaker: something must be positive [16:06]  Richardus Raymaker: i will build the latest one [16:07]  Bri Hasp is Online [16:07]  Jos Joszpe: iI have to call it a night [16:07]  Jos Joszpe: what about next meeting [16:07]  Jos Joszpe: that must be at 20.00gmt [16:08]  eaglefx Binder: yes this is too late we cant think ;) [16:08] Tiffany Sicling: that's 2pm CDT [16:08] Jos Joszpe: is that okay ? [16:08] Tiffany Sicling: it's 7:08pm now here [16:08] eaglefx Binder: so it would be bad for you Tiffany? [16:08] Jos Joszpe gave you to do. [16:08] Tiffany Sicling: no that's good [16:09] eaglefx Binder: Ok [16:09]  Jos Joszpe: so 20.00 gmt next time [16:09] Jos Joszpe: allright everybody ./ [16:09] eaglefx Binder: ok i write that up on the wiki too [16:09] kidd piko: ok Jos [16:09] kidd piko: sounds great!! [16:09] Jos Joszpe: cool [16:09] Richardus Raymaker: how late is that ? [16:09] Bri Hasp is Offline [16:09] Richardus Raymaker: if its before 21:00 dutch time its getting a problem [16:09] Jos Joszpe: much better6 uur richardus [16:09] Jos Joszpe: 's avonds [16:10] Richardus Raymaker: then i cannot be in osgrid [16:10] eaglefx Binder: 20 gmt is 21 yourtime [16:10] Jos Joszpe: yes [16:10] eaglefx Binder: netherlands right? [16:10] Jos Joszpe: I mistaked [16:10] Jos Joszpe: lol [16:11] Jos Joszpe: -3 is too difficult now for me :P [16:11] Richardus Raymaker: yes eaglefx. 1 hour later fits betetr but ok. wich day ? ahh. posisble i forget it.. timezones.. really painfull [16:11] eaglefx Binder: same day [16:11] Tiffany Sicling: btw, if anyone wants one, this "Nibiru Stonehenge" is copiable [16:11] Jos Joszpe: my garden can't handle it [16:11]  Jos Joszpe: lolll [16:11] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [16:11] Jos Joszpe: :)) [16:11] eaglefx Binder: hehe [16:11] Jos Joszpe: kidding [16:12] Richardus Raymaker: it a bit early on the evening.. :O will see [16:12] eaglefx Binder: okay so 20 GMT still? [16:12] eaglefx Binder whispers: UTC [16:12] Jos Joszpe: yes [16:12] kidd piko: where?? [16:12] eaglefx Binder: well [16:12] Jos Joszpe: * says nothing [16:12] eaglefx Binder: some place tha do not crash ;M)) [16:12] eaglefx Binder: LOL [16:12] Richardus Raymaker: different places maby [16:12] Jos Joszpe: grrr [16:13] kidd piko: who going to step up?? [16:13] kidd piko: ;) [16:13]  Tiffany Sicling: all I have to offer is Nibiru [16:13]  Tiffany Sicling: lol [16:13]  eaglefx Binder: to be sure we can succed can you maybe be hostess again Tiffany? [16:13]  Richardus Raymaker: i skip until i know my connection is ok [16:13]  Jos Joszpe: well anty place will do [16:13]  Jos Joszpe: lol [16:14]  Tiffany Sicling: Nibiru is on a dual CPU rackmount system... on a 20Mbps down/5Mbps up fiber connection [16:14]  eaglefx Binder: yes well .. your on ;) [16:14] kidd piko: heheheeee [16:14] Tiffany Sicling: it should be able to handle at least 20 avs [16:14] Tiffany Sicling: or it used to at one time lol [16:14] eaglefx Binder: deal [16:14] Richardus Raymaker: i have normal 20/3 _> will go to 30/4 opr more. but the need first to fix things here. only run a few more regions. but i place a faster dual core in osgrid. will later upgrade that one to a quad [16:15] kidd piko: ok, sounds good. so it 20 UTC @ Niribu [16:15] Richardus Raymaker: if the prices are dropped a bit [16:15] Tiffany Sicling: quad is always nice [16:15] Richardus Raymaker: now running dual [16:15] Tiffany Sicling: 20 UTC until otherwise noted [16:15] eaglefx Binder: So april 8 is gonna be here? [16:15] kidd piko: sounds good [16:16] Jos Joszpe: thx everybody ... [16:16] Jos Joszpe: sorry the crash and my mind crashing too [16:16] Tiffany Sicling: ty for all coming here for the meeting :) [16:16]  eaglefx Binder: lol [16:16]  Richardus Raymaker: ok. my vps is almost running with latest svn. but a bit older daily mono [16:16]  Jos Joszpe: my pleasure [16:16]  kidd piko: thanx for having us :) [16:16] eaglefx Binder: thanks for the hosting Tiffany [16:17] Tiffany Sicling: no problem at all :) [16:17]  kidd piko: cYa guys [16:17]  Jos Joszpe: nite :) [16:17] Richardus Raymaker: gnite [16:17] eaglefx Binder: nite [16:17] Tiffany Sicling: nite [16:18] Tiffany Sicling: I'm lag checking lol [16:18] eaglefx Binder: haha [16:18] Jos Joszpe is Offline [16:18] Richardus Raymaker: ok. its up [16:18] eaglefx Binder: i'm gonna update the wiki quick, and grap history [16:18] Tiffany Sicling: excellent :) [16:18]  Richardus Raymaker: first grab history :) [16:18] kidd piko: ahh right, can someone post the logs??