Chat log from the meeting on 2010-10-12

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[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: Wright Plaza is back

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: im heading over

[18:16] Andrew Hellershanks: ok

[18:16] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lbsa%20Plaza/129/126/38

[18:16] The region you have entered is running a different simulator version: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) 76fd4cf: 2010-09-30 15:43:56 +0100 (Unix/Mono)

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: hello everyone

[18:18] Dahlia Trimble: hi :)

[18:18] Richardus Raymaker: hi

[18:18] Justin Clark-Casey: hello again

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: its armin

[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: he keeps crashing the sim

[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: im going to ban him from sim

[18:19] Entering god mode, level 255

[18:19] Dahlia Trimble: whats he doing?

[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: no clue

[18:19] Nebadon Izumi: but everytime he logs in sim goes to 0fps

[18:19] Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia

[18:19] Richardus Raymaker: maby he runs the latest experimental ?

[18:20] Nebadon Izumi: not sure

[18:20] Hiro Protagonist is Online

[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: hi penny

[18:20] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) 76fd4cf: 2010-09-30 15:43:56 +0100 (Unix/Mono)

[18:20] Justin Clark-Casey: If he is, I'm sure he'd be happy to drop down to imprudence stable if he knows he's crashing the place

[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: why does lbsa not have that problem ?

[18:20] Richardus Raymaker: best if he try stable yes

[18:20] Nebadon Izumi: not sure if he tried logging in there

[18:21] Richardus Raymaker: good to know thjat i must not upgrade imprudence

[18:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: yaay for failed teleports :)

[18:21] Andrew Hellershanks whispers: which version of imprudence causes problems?

[18:21] Dahlia Trimble: im running latest imprudence release

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: no clue

[18:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: hello all

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: not even sure it was imprudence

[18:21] Dahlia Trimble: hi

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: hello Dahlia

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: sorry for the delays everyone

[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: I have a copy of 1.3.0-rc2 but I'm not using it

[18:22] Hiro Protagonist: Hiyas :)

[18:22] Justin Clark-Casey: speculation?

[18:22] Justin Clark-Casey: well, I tweeted him :)

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: yes everytime Armin Weatherwax logs in the sim freezes

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: he probably is using imprudence

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: but who knows

[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Easy to find out by asking him

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: ya not sure if he is online

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: hes not on IRC

[18:23] Richardus Raymaker: i use imprudence to

[18:23] Justin Clark-Casey: twitter.com/ArminWeatherwax

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: i blocked his 2 avatars from the sim for the moment

[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Leave him an inworld message

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: well it says he is online

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: but he isnt responding

[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: k

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: so i doubt hes going to get anything i said

[18:23] Richardus Raymaker: i can ask armin in irc

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: he isnt there

[18:24] Richardus Raymaker: aah

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: or i would have asked him on IRC

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: might be in another region that is now at fps

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: 0fps

[18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, we should probably talk if there is anything to talk about

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya

[18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: you guys really going ahead with the 0.7 upgrade on Sunday? :)

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: We usually find something to talk about

[18:24] Dahlia Trimble: Sunday? hmmm

[18:24] Richardus Raymaker: wich version of 0.7 ?

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: master

[18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: osgrid going to 0.7 this Sunday? cool

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: already available for download ?

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: no

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: not yet

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: probably by friday

[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: thats way to late

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: i should have sample ini's and release

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: why

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: you wont be able to upgrade until monday

[18:25] BlueWall Slade: I'm getting some nasty SQLite errors on master atm

[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: it takes some time to do all servers

[18:25] BlueWall Slade: won't build

[18:25] BlueWall Slade: mono 2.8

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: you wont loose your spaces Richardus

[18:25] Dahlia Trimble: wont build?

[18:25] BlueWall Slade: no

[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: aha other question yes. can we use mono 0.6.7 ? or later ?

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: your not going to be able to ugprade your sims until monday

[18:26] BlueWall Slade: I haven't had time to sort it out yet

[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: i need to do 24 ini files + 16 test at home. lol

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: if you really want to look check Danger grid

[18:26] Hiro Protagonist: is that all Rira?

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: i have alot more to do that than Richardus

[18:26] Richardus Raymaker: lo hiro

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: plus i have to upgrade the entire grid

[18:26] Hiro Protagonist: as do I

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: but like i said there is no rush

[18:27] Richardus Raymaker: until i figured out how many regions you can test on windows 4GB, yes hiro

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: the Region database will be migrated

[18:27] Dahlia Trimble: I think I have a region running on danger somewhere

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: no one will loose their spaces

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: and if you want to experiment you can hook a sim up to Danger grid

[18:27] Richardus Raymaker: except clean shutdown right ?

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.danger.osgrid.org

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya just like normal

[18:27] Nebadon Izumi: if you do a clean shut down you will loose your space

[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: i hoped to prepare the ini's already on a relaxed way

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: but we will kill the grid servers before anyone shuts down

[18:28] BlueWall Slade: hehe - OSGrid / kill -9 is your friend

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: you will have 4 days

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: i'll try to get it posted early on Friday

[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: so its till monay down. ok

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: right

[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: monday

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: it will be around 24 hours

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: before grid is back online

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: might be faster

[18:28] Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen shutdowns not remove entries from the regions table

[18:28] Richardus Raymaker: or slower

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: i doubt it will take longer

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: unless something goes really wrong

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: like some kind of data center outtage or something

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: short of that i dont see it taking more than 24 hours

[18:29] Andrew Hellershanks: If they are going to have one, that is the time it will happen :-)

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: i think it will go pretty smoothly myself

[18:30] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon mono 2.8 already downloadable with zypper ?

[18:30] Justin Clark-Casey: Optimism, that's what I like to hear

[18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: its the post upgrade stuff you will find out about soon enough

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: a few people have already migrated their sims to danger grid as a test

[18:31] Dahlia Trimble: ewwww mono 2.8

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: not sure Richardus

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: probably not

[18:31] BlueWall Slade: yes it is

[18:31] Richardus Raymaker: ok, thehn i try 0.6.7

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: with stock repo's BlueWall?

[18:31] BlueWall Slade: yes

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: thats suprising

[18:31] BlueWall Slade: it is released

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya but that doesnt mean its in the repos always

[18:32] Richardus Raymaker: yes. think not right tiome to do

[18:32] BlueWall Slade: http://www.go-mono.com/mono-downloads/download.html

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: my testing with 2.8 wasnt so bad

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: right but that tells you to add new repos bluewall

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: im talking about the stock Suse repo's

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: let me check

[18:32] Dahlia Trimble: why do people want to upgrade to 2.8?

[18:32] BlueWall Slade: zypper addrepo http://ftp.novell.com/pub/mono/download-stable/openSUSE_11.3 mono-stable

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:33] BlueWall Slade: well, it has mono-sgen

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: thats not the stock suse repo

[18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: in the hopes it will perform, better I ugess

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: it doesnt perform any better

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: if you ask me

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: 2.4.2.3 runs better for me

[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: but it has bugs

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya Meshmerizer has bugz

[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: 2.4.2.3 ++

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: your going to have problems on 2.8

[18:33] Richardus Raymaker: comapre sofar possible mono 2.4.2.3 with win7 pro difference 4GB and 2 cores

[18:33] Dahlia Trimble: it's not a meshmerizer bug, its a mono bug

[18:33] BlueWall Slade: I have been on 2.6.7 since it came out

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: sorry Dahlia just mean your going to run into bugs

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: using Meshmerizer + 2.8

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: a library meshmerizer uses is broken

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: alteast in x64

[18:34] Justin Clark-Casey: meshmerizer isn't all managed code?

[18:34] BlueWall Slade: I didn't get that on 0.7x yet

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: my testing with x86 was better

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: but limited

[18:34] Dahlia Trimble: System.Drawing.Imaging is broken (as usual)

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: your using x86 or x64 Bluewall?

[18:34] BlueWall Slade: x64

[18:34] Richardus Raymaker: hi juicy

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: interesting

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: i had major issues

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: on 0.6.9 and 0.7

[18:35] BlueWall Slade: the 0.6.9-pf was a different story

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: are you using Sculpty?

[18:35] Justin Clark-Casey: I guess even the first releases in a new 2.x series are dodgy

[18:35] Juicy Babii nods

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: if not slap a few dozen sculpty in your sim

[18:35] BlueWall Slade: there are a couple

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: i couldnt even get my sims tos tart

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: to start*

[18:35] BlueWall Slade: thsi wa an oar

[18:35] Dahlia Trimble: I added a flag to disable sculpt map caching

[18:35] Dahlia Trimble: in the ini file

[18:35] BlueWall Slade: I'm going to migrate the dev grid soon

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya i still need to test that

[18:36] BlueWall Slade: so, what is up with it Dahlia ?

[18:36] Richardus Raymaker: the way i read it hear not much hope mono gets really better soon

[18:36] Dahlia Trimble: so if you get crashes on sim restarts with mono 2.8 try setting that flag to false

[18:36] BlueWall Slade: ok

[18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: well, ppl were down on 2.6.x and that seems okay now

[18:36] Dahlia Trimble: to disable scuplt map caching

[18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: 2.8 probably needs to time to have the bugs ironed out

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: what i dont get is Mono keeps adding stuff

[18:37] BlueWall Slade: everything I have is good on mono

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: but performance is not improveing

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: have you seen any improvment though Bluewall?

[18:37] Richardus Raymaker: thats bad

[18:37] BlueWall Slade: running with mono-sgen show up a couple of things

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: 2.4 runs much better than 2.8

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: for me

[18:37] BlueWall Slade: I have just run it on my dev grid

[18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: tbh, opensim probably has much more scope for perf improvements than mono

[18:37] Richardus Raymaker: the still aim for other mono use i think where speed is not so important

[18:37] Dahlia Trimble: I didnt backport that flag so its only in master branch

[18:37] BlueWall Slade: 2.6.7 on the grid

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: ive not seen any improvement from sgen though

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: memory usage seemed higher infact

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: for Wright Plaza

[18:38] Hiro Protagonist: Rira for god's sake man, there is a 'y' on the end of the word 'they'

[18:38] BlueWall Slade: I will be able to see when I can migrate the dev grit - at least a little

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: cool ya id like to know what you find for sure

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: after the OSgrid migration i'll play more with 2.8 again

[18:38] BlueWall Slade: I really dont' see anu change on the one region

[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: im a bit disapointed overall so far though

[18:39] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, concentrate on that migration first :)

[18:39] Justin Clark-Casey: hope you have vats of coffee and the sandbags ready in the bunker ;)

[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[18:39] BlueWall Slade: I restart sims each day

[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: ya we'll be pretty busy all week prepping for the switch

[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: were moving on to new hardware too

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: so thats fun

[18:40] BlueWall Slade: they get messy after a few hours

[18:40] BlueWall Slade: ohhh, man, lol

[18:40] Justin Clark-Casey: Bluewall: messy?

[18:40] BlueWall Slade: lot's of monkey wrenches

[18:40] Dahlia Trimble: I restart them after I notice they crash, which can be a week lol

[18:40] BlueWall Slade: they use cpu

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: ya the new server should run alot better

[18:40] BlueWall Slade: sometimes the PhysFT goes up

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: the current OSgrid server is getting old

[18:41] BlueWall Slade: it is nasty if people login while the scripts are loading

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: the operating system on that box is a complete mess

[18:41] Justin Clark-Casey: we need to update to ode 11.1 sometime

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: Debian 4 that was 1/2 ass dist-upgraded to Debian 5

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: 3 years of testing stuff

[18:41] Hiro Protagonist: Ok that worked, now I can concentrate on harrassing youse guyz XD

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: total mess

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: new server is Suse 11.3 x64

[18:42] BlueWall Slade: it would be awesome if some person gifted in that area would jump on the ODE code and make it integrate bettwe with OS

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: twice as much ram

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: much bigger / faster drives

[18:42] Dorothea Lundquist is Offline

[18:42] Hiro Protagonist: raid too, correct?

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:42] BlueWall Slade: that should fly

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: 2x 500gb raid

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: right now we have 120gb

[18:42] Hiro Protagonist: yeah its a beastly box, I know I had it provisioned LOL

[18:43] Hiro Protagonist: (its a simhost box)

[18:43] Hiro Protagonist does a little shameless self promotion

[18:43] Justin Clark-Casey: how many regions does osgrid run directly? the 4 plazas?

[18:43] Justin Clark-Casey: hiro: :)

[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: do we still have that big mega, vehicle load test?

[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: thats not running at the moment

[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: kk

[18:44] Hiro Protagonist: was just gonna throw it into the count

[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: we have Lbsa Plaza, Wright Plaza, 2 Sandbox Plazas

[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: Bade Plaza, Zaius Plaza, OSgrid Welcome Station

[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: SeaSeaPrior

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: Teravus Plaza, Bade Plaza

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: SeaPrior

[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: yeah Ter

[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: 10

[18:45] Dorothea Lundquist is Online

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: and 3 void sims

[18:45] Hiro Protagonist: lol he listed Bade twice :p

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: the void sims are like 25 sims

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya whoops

[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: k

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: i meant SeaPrior but typed bade

[18:45] Justin Clark-Casey: so you're going to upgrade everything and just let me ppl upgrade their systems and come back on once they've done that?

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: there are few plazas offline

[18:46] paulie Flomar is Online

[18:46] Hiro Protagonist: I think thats more or less the plan

[18:46] paulie Flomar is Offline

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: we'll post new release on friday

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: so people can have a look at the differences

[18:47] Justin Clark-Casey: that sounds good. At least you don't have the linden problem of having to upgrade thousands of customer systems...

[18:47] Hiro Protagonist: OSGrid doesnt lol

[18:47] Hiro Protagonist: I suppose I'm fortunate I dont have *thousands*

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno whats worse though

[18:48] Hiro Protagonist: oth if I did I'd probably have staff

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: having to help a few 1000 people who dont know what they are doing

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: or doing everything yourself

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[18:48] Hiro Protagonist: lol

[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: mmm, don't know how you guys cope

[18:48] Richardus Raymaker: DO yoiu expect changes in the ini. else i can git the latest and do ini files

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: the good thing though is that everyone on the grid is helpful

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: more than just the admins can help

[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: everyone is usually pretty helpful when we have these big migration type upgrades

[18:49] Hiro Protagonist: yeah information is viral

[18:49] Hiro Protagonist: it just has to get out

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: plus we have had a bunch of adventerous types test migrating regions to Danger grid

[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: there are lots of ini changes - you can't use the xisting files

[18:49] acryline erin: I have translate information in french

[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: that's true - they know what's coming

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya if anyone wants to you can just make a copy of your database

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: and do a test migration to Danger grid today

[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: acryline: very nice

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: if you want to get a feel for how it will go down

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: just be sure to change the ports if your doing it on the same server

[18:50] Dahlia Trimble: gotta run, bye all :)

[18:50] Hiro Protagonist: bye Dhalia

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: we have already migrated all users/inventory/ assets to danger grid

[18:50] BlueWall Slade: bye Dahlia

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: bye dahlia

[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: bye dahlia

[18:50] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye dahlia

[18:50] Richardus Raymaker: No justin. i already use 0.7.1

[18:50] Kiyoshi Nyoki waves'

[18:51] Juicy Babii: so that's where my inventory went!!!

[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: on standalone. so i think to git the latest and use the config files to prepare somthing

[18:51] Juicy Babii giggles

[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: bye dalhia

[18:51] Hiro Protagonist: lol Juicy

[18:51] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: yeah, shouldn't be too bad then. I think you would just need to change GridCommon.ini

[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: i mean i want to use git 0.7.x files. but are there some changes to come before friday ?

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: so far though there have been minimal problems migrating

[18:51] perrson neox: hi

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: Simpy even migrated his 25 region mega region

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: with 71000 prims

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: went pretty smooth

[18:52] Richardus Raymaker: is the fault corrected in the ini files with missing some lines ?

[18:52] BlueWall Slade: heh

[18:52] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: nobody is reporting problems with the new OpenSimDefaults.ini use?

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: not really

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: most everyone has used the Danger Grid release though

[18:52] Hiro Protagonist: some of bitched loudly about the change inconfiguration heh

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: i imagine people going directly from git might be a bit more confused

[18:53] Hiro Protagonist: but as it turns out, it isnt so gnarly

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: its shocking at 1st

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but after someone spends about 30 seconds explaining

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: your like ooh

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ok

[18:53] Justin Clark-Casey: I dunno, I'm not a fan of all the veriage in OpenSim.ini.example now

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: not so bad

[18:53] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway

[18:53] Richardus Raymaker: the git files are still not changed much.

[18:53] BlueWall Slade: I havent' seen anyt problems with core one

[18:53] BlueWall Slade: ours (OMF) is hosed a little

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya i was kind of pissy about the changes at 1st too

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: but after some contemplating it does make sense

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: even though were not fully utilizing its potential yet

[18:54] Justin Clark-Casey: I find it really hard to read the example files now, with all that formatting in the comments

[18:54] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, that's an argument for another day, really

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya well thats the good thing sorta

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: what that will lead to is a utility

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: we wont have to load the ini

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: its just not there yet

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: were sorta 1/2 down the road with no map right now

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: so ya its a bit confusing

[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, never any maps - so irritating

[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: oh well :)

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[18:55] Justin Clark-Casey: we need a gps

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: btw i spoke to Armin

[18:56] Hiro Protagonist: lol andReal Men (tm) dont ask for directions :p

[18:56] BlueWall Slade: in a way, I would like to see some method in the IRegionModule & friends to handle some ini ting

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: he just IM'd me

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: were gonna do somet testing later

[18:56] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: that's cool

[18:56] BlueWall Slade: they are working on webkit ?

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: [18:54] Armin Weatherwax: ok, back - its the coming plugin viewer so i fear it has to be soreted out somewhen in a safe environment when you have time

[18:57] Justin Clark-Casey: ooh cool - plugins!

[18:57] Justin Clark-Casey: now, all we need to do is remove this 6 month barrier....

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[18:57] Bartholomew Kleiber: lol

[18:57] BlueWall Slade: hehe

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: i know we just need to get everyone to donate 10,000$ each

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: get a few 1000 people

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: then we can buy LL

[18:58] Hiro Protagonist: heh

[18:58] Hiro Protagonist: then we could burn it in a big bonfire amirite

[18:58] Juicy Babii: And anyone that's looked at their code knows what a joyride THAT would be...

[18:58] Richardus Raymaker: 10.000 O$ right ?

[18:58] Bartholomew Kleiber: LOL

[18:58] Justin Clark-Casey: imprudence were very successful with their "donations for a computer" request recently

[18:58] Juicy Babii: #ifdef MESSYBUGNUMBER666

[18:58] BlueWall Slade: let's wait 2 years and pick them up for US$300.00

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya i actually read something the other day

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: that places LL's value at almost 1 billion dollars

[18:59] Justin Clark-Casey: lol

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: crazy

[18:59] Juicy Babii: that's 1 billion LINDEN dollars

[18:59] Hiro Protagonist: talk about your overvalued 'stock'

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[18:59] BlueWall Slade: virtual value

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: ya it wouldnt sell for that much

[19:00] Hiro Protagonist: that must be what it is

[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm not sure who would be it right now - it feels like it needs so much investment

[19:00] Hiro Protagonist: it was supposed to be $L but the webpage editor 'corrected' it

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps mesh will improve things

[19:00] Justin Clark-Casey: I hear that's going to roll out on their beta grid tomorrow

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think so, i personally think LL is going to do alot of turn around

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: i dont expect it will be sold anytime soon

[19:00] BlueWall Slade: we should have it pretty soon

[19:00] BlueWall Slade: at least the caps

[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: they are undoing alot of bad decisions right now

[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: bluewall: is that going to be pushed up into core opensim?

[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: do you know?

[19:01] BlueWall Slade: I guess so

[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: which can easily be interpreted as "they are selling" too

[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: M Linden just about ruined LL

[19:01] BlueWall Slade: the investors ruined it

[19:01] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: they can try and primp it up as much as possible.

[19:02] Nebadon Izumi: fact is though they still get almost 2 million users logging in every 60 days

[19:02] paulie Flomar is Online

[19:02] BlueWall Slade: yeah

[19:02] Nebadon Izumi: and there are crap loads of people out there who never even heard of Second Life

[19:03] Penny Lane: Who cares who ruined step 1 on the VW ladder. Just step over it, there's a hell of a lot of other steps before we reach the top :P

[19:03] BlueWall Slade: that is our market

[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: i bet if you just go out and randomly ask people "do you know what second life is"

[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: iu bet you would get maybe 1 in 20 people who do

[19:03] Nebadon Izumi: if that

[19:03] Justin Clark-Casey: yes. I just think technology simply isn't mature yet

[19:03] Lalinda Perhaps is Online

[19:03] BlueWall Slade: the thml5 / webgl wil probably help us a lot

[19:03] Penny Lane: It's just step 1.

[19:04] paulie Flomar: websockets ftw!

[19:04] BlueWall Slade: html5

[19:04] Justin Clark-Casey: the road to hell :)

[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: heh ya people need to get on better hardware

[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: Paulie Flomar FTW!

[19:04] paulie Flomar: heh. thx. :)

[19:04] Richardus Raymaker: html5 seems a privacy disaster

[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: thats the problem the % of people in the world who actually own a computer

[19:04] Nebadon Izumi: not a high # of that % can actually even run SL

[19:04] Juicy Babii: Blue Mars is gonna blow Second Life away (giggles)

[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: thats gonna change

[19:04] Hiro Protagonist: mark my words

[19:05] paulie Flomar: Btw, IE is planning to be the only browse which doesnt support websockets, instead developing a broken, proprietary Microsoft solution. :)

[19:05] Richardus Raymaker: with lag juicy ?

[19:05] Hiro Protagonist: LOL Juicy you are bonfied trolbait :p

[19:05] Justin Clark-Casey: I think it is improving, but to enlarge that audience things have to stay at a fairly pimitive level graphically

[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya its gonna blow SL away when it implodes

[19:05] Bartholomew Kleiber: I wonder how well (or not) blue mars is ....

[19:05] paulie Flomar: BlueMars is nice, but it feels like another closed world to me. I canyt do that again.

[19:05] paulie Flomar: The future is open.

[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya Bluemars is the most boring thing ever

[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: log in walk around log out

[19:05] Nebadon Izumi: thats bluemars

[19:05] Juicy Babii: I would even use the word 'terrible'

[19:05] Penny Lane: Here's the virtual world I want to build. I don't think we're quite there yet. :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_%28The_Culture%29

[19:06] Bartholomew Kleiber: OMG Iain Banks - my favourite writer ....

[19:06] Penny Lane: \o/

[19:06] Nebadon Izumi: heh Adam was talking about that long while ago Penny

[19:06] paulie Flomar: :)

[19:06] Hiro Protagonist: LOVE it

[19:06] Penny Lane: Adam++ :-)

[19:06] Justin Clark-Casey: what, going out into space and building a giant ring encircling the earth>?

[19:06] Justin Clark-Casey: ?

[19:07] Nebadon Izumi: well making sims that conform to that shape

[19:07] Xan Ting: Hiro where are you? I can here you but not see you

[19:07] Hiro Protagonist: I'm here, yes

[19:07] Richardus Raymaker: and what if the wormhole sim crash ? :P

[19:07] Hiro Protagonist: right here by Juicy, more or less

[19:07] Xan Ting: ahh upstairs ... sorry :)

[19:08] Justin Clark-Casey: I think we're going to have the usual summer ttime confusion next week, btw

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: Niven Ring

[19:08] Justin Clark-Casey: us clocks go forward next week, right?

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hmm

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: oh man really

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hopefully not before sunday

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[19:08] Nebadon Izumi: i dont even freakin know

[19:09] Penny Lane: Knowing there's such a gulf between the SL model and what's needed to make VWs really capable of satisfying our imagination, it really doesn't bother me what crappy SL does or doesn't do. :P

[19:09] BlueWall Slade: I don't either

[19:09] BlueWall Slade: I dont' ahve a schedule anymore

[19:09] Nebadon Izumi: picked the wrong week to stop sniffin glue

[19:09] Penny Lane: lol

[19:09] Bartholomew Kleiber: lol

[19:09] BlueWall Slade: it just seems like they keep shaving seconds off every day

[19:09] BlueWall Slade: haa

[19:10] Bartholomew Kleiber: 'Airplane'' addict

[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: oh hold on, looks like us time changes on sunday nov 7

[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: ok cool

[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya we moved it 2 weeks

[19:10] Nebadon Izumi: now i think about it

[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: european daylight savings ends on sunday 31 October so that's when the confusio nwill start

[19:10] Justin Clark-Casey: ah, ok

[19:11] BlueWall Slade: the candy and costume companies lobbied for that here, I guess

[19:11] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, in the past you hadit before ours.

[19:11] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[19:11] Justin Clark-Casey: now it's after instead

[19:11] Richardus Raymaker: wintertime here 31 october

[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: there's a good graphical display here -> http://www.daylight-savings-time.info/

[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: or better http://www.daylight-savings-time.info/view/USp/UK/2010/h2/

[19:12] paulie Flomar: Damn SUN! Quit comin in my window and wipin out my monitor when Im tryin to enjoy my VIRTUAL WORLD!

[19:12] Justin Clark-Casey: ha

[19:13] Justin Clark-Casey: alright, I better go back to work. Good luck with the switchover on osgrid

[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: thanks Justin

[19:13] paulie Flomar: .7 ftw!!

[19:13] Richardus Raymaker: sun or SUN :O

[19:13] BlueWall Slade: see ya JCC

[19:13] Richardus Raymaker: bye jcc

[19:13] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye

[19:13] BlueWall Slade: I have to run too - see what is up in the SQLite

[19:13] paulie Flomar: cyas, BW.

[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: later BlueWall

[19:13] paulie Flomar: bye, JCC.

[19:13] Nebadon Izumi: thanks for coming guys

[19:13] Justin Clark-Casey: bluewall: yeah - urgh

[19:14] BlueWall Slade: see you guys next wekk on the new improved OSG :)

[19:14] Justin Clark-Casey waves

[19:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: bye Justin, Bluewall

[19:14] Bartholomew Kleiber: bye, too

[19:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: im gonna head out too, bye all