HyperGrid Team/Chat Logs/2009.0325

[13:56] Edy Rau: what we ant to do is to connect several worlds, that means several open grids [13:57] Edy Rau: kidd and me started already connecting with hypergrid [13:57] eaglefx Binder: okay by having a gateways or telehubs kinda? [13:57] Edy Rau: yes [13:57] eaglefx Binder: yes [13:58] Adelle Fitzgerald: so this would be like a mesh, as opposed to a hub-and-spoke principle? [13:58] Edy Rau: and the idea was to make a network of all open sims which want to participate [13:58] Jos Joszpe: agreed [13:58] eaglefx Binder: kk [13:58]  kidd piko: a network of HG'd Regions if you will [13:58] eaglefx Binder: yes Gr8 [13:58] kidd piko: connecting all of the OS grids [13:58] Edy Rau: grid4us is already connected to other grids [13:59] Jos Joszpe: hi meneer huisman [13:59] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: hallo Jos [13:59] Jos Joszpe: wich ones ? [13:59] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: you guys holding a meeting here ? sorry.. did not mean to intrude [13:59] Edy Rau: metropolis, jamland, OSGrid [14:00] Edy Rau: another one is not longer on [14:00]  eaglefx Binder: so you got a sticked plan already for Coords e.t.c.? [14:00] Edy Rau: i made an ariival hall today [14:00] eaglefx Binder: ok [14:00]  Jos Joszpe: feel free to litsen in mr huisman [14:00] eaglefx Binder: In here? [14:00] Edy Rau: where they are inside [14:00] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: thnx Jos [14:00] Edy Rau: yes [14:00] kidd piko: I think that the HG Hall or HG Portal is really the key [14:00] My Utopia: hello everybody [14:00] Edy Rau: hello [14:01] Jos Joszpe: hi [14:01]  kidd piko: Hello My Utopia [14:01] kidd piko: Edy has designed an HG Hall [14:01] My Utopia: May i join your conversation too please?(mostly reading) [14:01] kidd piko: there are two main ascpects to the HG Hall [14:01] Jos Joszpe: yes welcome [14:01] My Utopia: thanks :) [14:02]  Edy Rau: if someone is interested, kidd has it already he can give it away [14:02]  Edy Rau: its full perm [14:02]  kidd piko: the first aspect is that it offers touchable TPs to various other grids via HG [14:02]  Jos Joszpe: kidd has what ? [14:02]  eaglefx Binder: yes, kinda like the oculus [14:02]  Edy Rau: so everybody can change in his way [14:02]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: HG Hall is an object or a sim ? [14:03]  Edy Rau: yes i do not have it in my os account [14:03]  kidd piko: i have a copy of Edy's HG Hall taht we can use as a prototype to create our own [14:03]  eaglefx Binder: Okay great [14:03]  Jos Joszpe: okay [14:03]  Edy Rau: is a object, which works on a hypergrid enabled sim [14:03]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: ok.. thnx [14:03]  Jos Joszpe: hypergrid is a grid of sims connected to other worlds as osgrid for instance [14:03]  eaglefx Binder: i have a similar simple one on that also [14:03] kidd piko: the second aspect is that it also offers touch links to other region on the SAME GRID that the HG Hall

is on [14:04] Jos Joszpe: If I may suggest [14:04] Jos Joszpe: it would be very easy to have written "how to's" [14:04]  Edy Rau: thats why it is full perm, everybody can edit to his needs, the scripts are mod etc [14:05] Jos Joszpe: that would help lots of peoples [14:05] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: can i have a copy ? i think i have a system like that, but would like to see one [14:05] Edy Rau: that was the idea behindto have not too much work [14:06] eaglefx Binder: yes i have it ready to jump in, i can write a Howto get going unless someone else already did [14:06] eaglefx Binder: wiki like [14:06] kidd piko: Jos, you are talking about a HowTo for setting up an HG'd region? [14:06] eaglefx Binder: i can amek that [14:06] eaglefx Binder: make [14:06] Jos Joszpe: If I could have just a box with the telehub and an howto I could offer it top people on freebie mill

asswell [14:06] Jos Joszpe: spread the word [14:07] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: I think he mean a howto for the portal. [14:07] eaglefx Binder: oh well [14:07] Jos Joszpe: howto to help the noobs like me :) [14:07]  eaglefx Binder: lol [14:07]  kidd piko: ahh, ok. thanx Willum. [14:07]  kidd piko: right, well, jos, we should have that covered really. [14:08]  eaglefx Binder: i can make a complete howto, that should be fairly easy to read and understand at leeast for OSGrid

region owners, i hav eworked alot with it [14:08] kidd piko: anyone who wants to join will get a copy of the HG Hall prototype that Edy made [14:08] Jos Joszpe: ok [14:08]  kidd piko: eagleFX?? [14:08] eaglefx Binder: yes count me in [14:08]  Jos Joszpe: I'm thge noob I wil read what it says and say if I understand .. [14:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: i think that if a complete mesh of HG'd grids are to be created, in essence creating a network

of grids taht other people can join to then it needs to be documented, it will need the outline, and maybe several how-to's

in oredr to make it as easy as possible for others to join in [14:09] Edy Rau: hal had a famous idea before, but he crashed [14:09] eaglefx Binder: well for starters we need to get people enabled with how ot set it up! [14:09] Jos Joszpe: agreed to Adelle aswell [14:09] kidd piko: yes, i agreed totally Adelle [14:09] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:09] Edy Rau: he says that he could create a database where people can leave their hypergrid data [14:09] eaglefx Binder: and some strict coords cordination [14:10] eaglefx Binder: yes sounds like a great idea [14:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: thats a good idea Edy [14:10] Edy Rau: and we will program the building for updating itsself [14:10] Edy Rau: every hour [14:10] kidd piko: whoo hooo!! [14:10] eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:10] kidd piko: yes, i love that idea!! [14:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: something along the lines of the region list on the OSG website [14:10] Edy Rau: but its an idea until now [14:10] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: the portal will update it's hypergrid links itself ? [14:10] Jos Joszpe: we have several hg able regions here in osg allready [14:10] Edy Rau: but if hallow says he can make it possibel, he can do it [14:11]  eaglefx Binder: yes well lets start in the small parts then, and get the docs done so people understand the concept [14:11] Jos Joszpe: question .... [14:11] Jos Joszpe: about the telporting forth and back [14:11] Edy Rau: ok who never tried hypergrid until now? [14:11] eaglefx Binder: and a HG map maybe so it is easier to navigate on the HG hub/hall [14:11] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: ppl should also now hypergrid limitations, tho.. money ... objects [14:12] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: *know [14:12] Adelle Fitzgerald: i havent tried it [14:12]  Adelle Fitzgerald: at least not tried to set it up [14:12]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman has hypergrid enabled on his sim. [14:12] Edy Rau: objects are no limit, the inventories work already! [14:12] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: is cool [14:12] eaglefx Binder: i can speed you up in 10 min ;)) [14:12] Jos Joszpe: I have a sim in hg [14:12]  Adelle Fitzgerald: i made my first HG jump last night to another grid [14:12] eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:12] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: lol eaglefx [14:12] eaglefx Binder: all my regions here is HG enabled [14:12] Jos Joszpe: but is running bad .. wrong config I think [14:13] eaglefx Binder: mine works both ways now [14:13] eaglefx Binder: fixed that today [14:13] Jos Joszpe: cool [14:13] Edy Rau: hal offerd to help people who want to join to look through their config.ini [14:13] kidd piko: great! [14:13] Jos Joszpe: tyes that is what i need [14:14] Edy Rau: because the hypergrids can be very instabile already with one mistake [14:14] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: WorldMap=HGWorldMap :) [14:14]  eaglefx Binder: i have a collab website that can be usefull [14:14]  eaglefx Binder: ICECore [14:14]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.3.8849  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [14:14] Edy Rau: we have a forum as well and a Wiki [14:14]  Jos Joszpe: where ? [14:14]  Edy Rau: i can give you the link if you want [14:14]  eaglefx Binder: okay that will do [14:15]  eaglefx Binder: i can show you what it is, it is quite good the ICECore [14:15]  Edy Rau: http://grid4us.net/index.php?page=home&btn=1 [14:15]  Edy Rau: thats the start page, there you find everything about grid4us [14:15]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: ach.. Deutsch ? :) [14:15] eaglefx Binder: i just tp'ed Ricardus he is HG jumper too [14:15] Edy Rau: hehe german yes [14:16] Edy Rau: and english [14:16] Adelle Fitzgerald: except its in German, and I only speak English :-/ [14:16] Adelle Fitzgerald: oh english too? [14:16] kidd piko: there is one thing that i want to add [14:16] Edy Rau: hal writes it german and i translate it if i have time [14:16] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: vot ? no Sherman spoken ? Verdammt ! [14:16] eaglefx Binder: Me Danish [14:16] eaglefx Binder: ;) [14:17]  kidd piko: in the beginning, i feel we will neever everyoneinvolved to go out to other grid to find more HG Hall

members from other grids [14:17] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: ok .. so this is a meeting about collaborative hypergrids ? [14:17] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:17] kidd piko: * we will need everyone involved [14:17] Edy Rau: put the following link in a notecard to remember: [14:18] Edy Rau: secondlife://grid4us.net:8996/ [14:18] eaglefx Binder: do we need any predicate on who does what? [14:18] eaglefx Binder: sit Ricardus [14:18] Edy Rau: thats the adress you can reach us from every hypergrid enabled sim! [14:18] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: is this group a project ? .. then you should, yes [14:18] Edy Rau: type this adress in chat, open the chat history and touch the link [14:19] kidd piko: i feel taht as soon as someone has a HG Hall taht they can show as an example, then they can begin

trying to find/get more members [14:19] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: only in hypergrid enabled regions, Edy... will not work here... [14:19] Edy Rau: and you will be on your travel [14:19] Edy Rau: or ask kidd for the building [14:19] eaglefx Binder: well i have an example running ricardus as well [14:19] Edy Rau: there are all actual working links from other worlds we have already [14:19] eaglefx Binder: ok [14:20]  kidd piko: right, after we finish the meeting, we could try Rezzing the HG Hall in the sandbox [14:20] Edy Rau: it would be great if you have a hypergrid sim already if you give me the IP and a texture/name etc [14:20] Edy Rau: then i can connect to you if i am home on grid4us [14:21] Richardus Raymaker: hello [14:21] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman is getting his avater here by hypergrid. [14:21] kidd piko: so, Edy. if someone has an HG'd region, what info do they need to give us to join? [14:21] eaglefx Binder: url, what coords [14:21] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: secondlife://ip_adress:port// [14:22] eaglefx Binder: yep thats the synamic one [14:22] eaglefx Binder: dynamic [14:22] Tiffany Sicling: what about getting back to a region on a grid you left ? [14:22] Richardus Raymaker: works for me with teleporter [14:22] Edy Rau: yes will typed it what i need from you [14:22] Richardus Raymaker: and url [14:22] Edy Rau: you tp simply home [14:22] eaglefx Binder: home works and it works by linking in the oculus/teleporter [14:22] Edy Rau: strg-shift-h [14:22] Tiffany Sicling: but if that is not your home ? [14:23] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: dang .. UC Irvine is down again [14:23] eaglefx Binder: i have it working as a script [14:23] eaglefx Binder: to tp back to origin [14:23] Richardus Raymaker: i can teleport between my HG and HG region [14:23] eaglefx Binder: quite easy and has a sticked syntax [14:23] Tiffany Sicling: I have 2 HG regions on OSG [14:23] Richardus Raymaker: sorry between HG and osgrid in 2 directions without useing home [14:23] Tiffany Sicling: and 1 that is not HG [14:23]  Jos Joszpe is Online [14:24] eaglefx Binder: yes RR [14:24]  Tiffany Sicling: if I TP home, I end up at my non-HG region (which is home) [14:24] eaglefx Binder: well it is mostly a matter ha maybe havinf a "house" hub whatever to make links to others or a

cental one [14:25] Jos Joszpe: grrr [14:25] eaglefx Binder: Edy. can we make some lists or prims that shows these, then peopl ecan map in [14:25] Richardus Raymaker: or 1 big central and if otehrs want smaller ones on regions [14:25] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:26] Edy Rau: what i can offer for the moment: [14:26] Richardus Raymaker: only need to make the building still :) [14:26]  eaglefx Binder: someone in here OS has a outspace cntral like that [14:26]  Edy Rau: we have the grid very stabile for hypergrid thx to hal [14:26]  eaglefx Binder: ok [14:26]  Edy Rau: and i pout up a mailbox where everybody can leave notes [14:27]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: is Metropolis on OSgrid ? :S [14:27]  eaglefx Binder: dont know [14:27]  Edy Rau: so tp there and i try to integrate your wishes in the arrival hall [14:27]  Edy Rau: no! [14:27]  Richardus Raymaker: does someone know why my HG region is osgrid is a grey square on the map ? [14:27]  Edy Rau: metropolis is an own open grid [14:27]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: ok.. thnx [14:28]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman cannot get to OSgrid.. UC Irvine down.. UCI Welcome.. :| [14:28]  Edy Rau: jamland as well [14:28]  eaglefx Binder: nope, the mapping seems to work fine for the testing i hae done [14:28] Bri Hasp is Online [14:28] Jos Joszpe: i see my sim fine too on map [14:28] Jos Joszpe: just not for real [14:29] eaglefx Binder: btw Bri Hasp is also alot inot HG's as far as i know, might be a good idea to ping her too.. [14:29] Jos Joszpe: yes I will tell her when I see her [14:29] eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:30] eaglefx Binder: so is it something like having a todo list? [14:30] eaglefx Binder: e.g. with names of people doing whatever? [14:30] kidd piko: yes, that's what i was think also eagle [14:30] Bri Hasp is Offline [14:31] eaglefx Binder: i mean if some does a how to do it HG, wiki e.t.c. [14:31]  kidd piko: Adelle you started a list of ToDo alreayd?? [14:31] Jos Joszpe: I do suggest we try to make a starter kid for osg people [14:31] Jos Joszpe: a box withe a note and a hg portalhub [14:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: for what? [14:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: HG? [14:31]  Jos Joszpe: we can give those away [14:31] kidd piko: you mentioned a list of a few things that we need to organise [14:32] eaglefx Binder: maybe a wiki thingy is best! [14:32] eaglefx Binder: just in general a list of what to do and make to get poeple kickstarted, then work in back rooms on

the adv stuff ;) [14:32] eaglefx Binder: i can document howto pretty easily [14:33]  Adelle Fitzgerald: maybe it would be nice to craete some pages on the opensim wiki about this project? [14:34]  Adelle Fitzgerald: basically I think if this is going to work, then it needs documenting, unfortunatly I am not the

right person for documenting it as I know next to nothing about HG [14:34] kidd piko: we can just make one now

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[14:37] eaglefx Binder: ok so who is doin what? [14:38] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman is just listening .. :) [14:38] eaglefx Binder: i guess we all have to little time alreaady ;)) [14:38]  Jos Joszpe: lol [14:38]  sim core is Online [14:38]  eaglefx Binder: Listeners gets the most jobs .. LOL [14:38]  Jos Joszpe: lets make that starter kit...is that an idea worth doing ? [14:39]  Tiffany Sicling: can one HG to OSG from standalone, or has to have a region in OSG too and set to home ? [14:39]  eaglefx Binder: docs first "wiki" then a prim pack, with the scripts instructions e.t.c. .. [14:39]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: you can HG from outside into OSgrid.. provided it's HG regions in there are working, Tiffany [14:39]  eaglefx Binder: and Edy's HG Hall we need to see [14:39]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: aye [14:40]  kidd piko: hiopefully we can see the HG Hall as soon as we are done here [14:40]  Jos Joszpe: ok ... i'm not much help on the documents though [14:40]  Edy Rau: kidd can give it to you [14:40]  Jos Joszpe: i can read them [14:40] eaglefx Binder: yes it is al a matter of Correct URLs [14:40] kidd piko: did someone offer to start the wiki page yet? [14:40] Jos Joszpe: no kidd ... [14:40] eaglefx Binder: i have a flaky one but i guess it can be used [14:40] kidd piko: ok, i guess just volunteered then [14:40] eaglefx Binder: dokuwiki it is [14:40]  kidd piko: ;) [14:41]  Jos Joszpe: thx kidd [14:41]  eaglefx Binder: hehe [14:41]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman got a lousy hypergrid shirt to share.. :) [14:41] Jos Joszpe: I volunteer on reading it all for newbies [14:41] eaglefx Binder: well we can make a fresh one [14:41] Jos Joszpe: and noobs [14:41] eaglefx Binder: LOL [14:41] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: issa texture.. enjoy ;) [14:42] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman gave you Lousy_hypergrid_shirt. [14:42]  Jos Joszpe: and maybe someone wnats to help me bring my hg sim into grid4us ....... [14:42]  Adelle Fitzgerald: thanks WiLL [14:42]  Jos Joszpe: dank [14:42]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: yw all [14:42]  Tiffany Sicling: ty :) [14:42] Richardus Raymaker: how does the texture load fro others ? [14:42] Adelle Fitzgerald: can a HG enabled region be in more than one grid at once? [14:42] eaglefx Binder: yes the tech stuff should center around the wiki [14:42] kidd piko: i am sure that i will miss things and under emphasize other5 things in the wiki, so please fill in the

blanks and/or make corrections when you see the page(s) [14:42] Tiffany Sicling: didn't load for me, but I clicked on keep anyways [14:43] Richardus Raymaker: good then its not me this time [14:43] eaglefx Binder: it is a matter of enabling the OpenSim.exe on startup then all reguions under that is HG [14:43]  eaglefx Binder: -hypergrid=true [14:43] eaglefx Binder: tada [14:43] eaglefx Binder: ;) [14:43]  Richardus Raymaker: and that give me a grey map in map view [14:43]  Jos Joszpe: I think it can adelle [14:43]  Adelle Fitzgerald: what I mean, is say I have a region... can I have that in OSG and another grid? [14:43]  eaglefx Binder: u did the worldmap in the ini? [14:44]  Adelle Fitzgerald: so it can be seen from both grids [14:44]  Richardus Raymaker: (RR) Rigel is grey for me. [14:44]  eaglefx Binder: yes [14:44]  Richardus Raymaker: yes. only the HG one. maby i need to enable more ? [14:44]  eaglefx Binder: one issue we have is chat between HG's [14:44]  Jos Joszpe: but only seen from a hg enabled region though ...right ? [14:45]  eaglefx Binder: well if you wanna place HG teleporters all over regions it is enabled once [14:45]  Tiffany Sicling: I have two HG enabled in OSG, but the only way for me to get back to them is to go Home, then TP

to them [14:45] eaglefx Binder: i can show you after this Tiff [14:45] eaglefx Binder: it is quite easy [14:45] Tiffany Sicling: ok [14:45]  kidd piko: LOOL.. [14:45] kidd piko: nice one Edy [14:45] Richardus Raymaker: did you used the region port tiffany ? otherwise you cannot teleport back to osgrid [14:45] eaglefx Binder: haha Ho Edy nr. 2 ;) [14:45] Jos Joszpe: lol [14:46]  Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: hehe this is eddy per mhypergrid [14:46]  Jos Joszpe: directly on this sim edy ? [14:46]  Tiffany Sicling: no, I just click on home because nobody gave me the URL I need to bet back to one of them [14:46]  Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: no it works again [14:46]  Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: no via kidds hypergrid sim [14:46]  WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: Edy.. by what region did you get here ? [14:46]  Tiffany Sicling: unless it's the IP addy and port of the region [14:46]  Tiffany Sicling: even though it's on OSG [14:46]  Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: base kixx [14:46]  eaglefx Binder: only think i hav ebeen struggeling with is in yes [14:46]  eaglefx Binder: yes Tiff [14:47]  Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: thats the connection kidd and me built uzp already [14:47]  Tiffany Sicling: oh ok :) [14:47] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: server + port, pls ? [14:47] Jos Joszpe: very cool [14:47] Jos Joszpe: will join in grid4us asap [14:47] Richardus Raymaker: when my ISP is ok. i need to go further with my own grid here. then i can test some more [14:47] kidd piko: should we try to rez the HG Hall in a sandbox now?? [14:47] eaglefx Binder: syntax of getting back is like this: IPofYourOSGridRegion:port:Region Name [14:48] eaglefx Binder: in a specific script [14:48] Richardus Raymaker: i dont use the Region name i think [14:48] eaglefx Binder: i do [14:48]  Edy Rau is Offline [14:48] Tiffany Sicling: what is the difference ? [14:48] Richardus Raymaker: i use the region port [14:48] eaglefx Binder: then you can goto whatever region from a teleportert [14:49] Richardus Raymaker: something for wiki [14:49] eaglefx Binder: if you have the IP:PORT:REGIONNAME [14:49] Jos Joszpe: very much so [14:49]  eaglefx Binder: yep [14:49] Edy.Rau @grid4us.net:8002: im in RL for a few minutes [14:49] Tiffany Sicling: sim.blah.com:9000:some region name [14:49] eaglefx Binder: i will kick in [14:49]  Jos Joszpe: these thing need to be as easy as possible described [14:49] eaglefx Binder: yes [14:49] eaglefx Binder: DNS can be use dtoo [14:49] Richardus Raymaker: but mostly you dont know port/ip [14:49] eaglefx Binder: ye si do [14:49]  eaglefx Binder: well your own that is [14:50]  kidd piko: that reminds me, can someone give me a copy of the Chat History?? I was logged out for a little bit and

missed some things [14:50] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: pff.. finally got my avatar here [14:50] eaglefx Binder: thats where the Hall comes in i guess [14:50] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: nice sim, btw Edy [14:50] Jos Joszpe: lol [14:50] Jos Joszpe: willempie [14:51] WiLLuMPJuH Huisman: hey :) [14:51]  WiLLuMPJuH.Huisman @84.87.5.13:8002: hoi :)) [14:51]  eaglefx Binder: Ok so u setup a wikiKidd? [14:51]  kidd piko: i'm going to Sandbox Plaza right now to try to rez it