Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-04

[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: andrew's cat was looking :)

[11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: hi

[11:02] Kayaker Magic: Does anyone know what version of robust OSGrid is running? It seems to work fine with a recently built version of the region server.

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: a old onw

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: one

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: no idea the version

[11:03] Kayaker Magic: How far back can I go in Robust version and still work with a new Yeti?

[11:03] Ubit Umarov: but robust did not had many changes

[11:03] Bill Blight: why go backwards?

[11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: db migrations

[11:04] Kayaker Magic: OK, if I go to a grid that hasn't upgraded Robust in a long time, can I still run a recent Yeti.

[11:05] Kayaker Magic: Like OSGrid is probably 0.9.1 release Robust....

[11:05] Ubit Umarov: possible

[11:05] Kayaker Magic: The DB changes were in the Region server, not in Robust

[11:05] Kayaker Magic: correct?

[11:05] Ubit Umarov: think so

[11:05] Bill Blight: since your region data is stored locally things like the new ugly sky and such should work fine on older robust

[11:06] Ubit Umarov: old robust only needs to get the new needed assets

[11:06] Bill Blight: or you will get a missing asset error, when you try to set environment

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: or just login even~

[11:07] Bill Blight: yeah

[11:07] Kayaker Magic whispers: Where can I find the list of needed assets?

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: unless you have then in cache

[11:07] Bill Blight: there was a box at llbsa right Ubit?

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: i placed a prim at lbsa with referenced to then

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: i also added it here last week

[11:10] Ubit Umarov: a hf visitor can copy/buy that prim at lbsa

[11:10] Ubit Umarov: and should get the asset

[11:10] Bill Blight: hg visitor too

[11:11] Bill Blight: :P

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: just current raibow texture is not updated

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: need to work that with dan

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: yeah hf and hg

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: the assets...

[11:12] Ubit Umarov: it is near the dancing eng

[11:12] Kayaker Magic: If I run FS 6.45 in a non-eep grid, the sky is ugly, will those assets fix that?

[11:13] Ubit Umarov: i did name this uglysky :p

[11:13] Kayaker Magic: or must I update the region to a recent Yeti to fix the sky?

[11:14] Ubit Umarov: think i already did answered that

[11:14] Ubit Umarov: and i did sent a email ages ago

[11:14] Ubit Umarov: to our mlists

[11:15] Ubit Umarov: how it will work.. guess depends what grid/regions actual software

[11:15] Bill Blight: Howdy Andrew, your cat let you out to play?

[11:16] Ubit Umarov: think the cat did the login

[11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: Bill, :)

[11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: So far she hasn't started calling for me for play time.

[11:16] Ubit Umarov: well guess not many news

[11:17] Ubit Umarov: as you know fs released 6.4.5 beta

[11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: The code changes this past week were mostly related to Flotsam.

[11:17] Ubit Umarov: opensim is basicly only tested on that

[11:17] Ubit Umarov: well and previus eep betas

[11:18] Ubit Umarov: no idea about other viewers

[11:18] Kayaker Magic: I don't see the answer above today to all combinations: Old region, old robust, new viewer = ugly sky. Old robust+new assets+ new region + new viewer=pretty sky. Old Robust+new assets+OLD REGION CODE+new viewer = ?????????????????????????????????

[11:18] Ubit Umarov: as you know, they just ignore us now

[11:18] Ubit Umarov: you where told old robust will need new assets, and where to find them

[11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I'll keep ignoring you

[11:19] Ubit Umarov: duhhh

[11:19] Kayaker Magic: Yes, and will that fix ugly sky when I am using the new viewer on a 0.9.1 Snail region? Or must I also upgrade that region to Yeti?

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: well the dev what was present here, was of course excluded..

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: from that "ignore us".. he was here :)

[11:22] Bill Blight: That was kind of a given in my mind since he does come to every meeting .. but oh well

[11:24] Bill Blight: so as far as Opensim is concerned, this is a "No news is good news" week ..

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: well floatsam was nasty on high trafic regions like lbsa

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: its files expires

[11:26] Ubit Umarov: just took the entire cpu

[11:26] Bill Blight: details

[11:26] Bill Blight: this region seems to run better after I updated to the newer mono

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: that expires has always been nasty

[11:27] Bill Blight: Howdy Selby

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: access 100 000 files is not a light thing to do

[11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.

[11:27] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: wb Selby.Evans

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: so i did slow it down a lot

[11:28] Kayaker Magic: Selby, does your viewer have EEP?

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: takes some 40min to check lbsa now

[11:28] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: no eep

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: ( 90000 - 100000 files )

[11:30] Bill.Blight @youcantfixstupid.wtf: Non eep viewer here and sky looks like it should

[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Bill has turned into a cloud.

[11:30] Ubit Umarov: i improved things for WL viewers also

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: they will display several things

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: that are like they where

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: and will do parcel also

[11:31] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Bill looks fine in my viewer

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: ( firestorm at least )

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: of course, moon is always at oposite side of sun

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: etc

[11:32] Bill Blight: there is a test parcel out back that has ground level and diff altitude eep, of course you can only see the ground level in a non-eep viewer

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: and no env per altitude

[11:32] Bill Blight: made the ground level there quite dramatic, so you can see the change

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: wl viewers and also set region env

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: only the region.. and it will be limited to what they know about

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: ok ?

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: lightshare changes wil only work on some viewers

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: like fs or dayturn

[11:35] Ubit Umarov: but i told all this already on a email

[11:35] Kayaker Magic: Bill: There are 12 combinations of robust, assets, region servers, viewers (eep or not) and the combination here is not the one I asked about.

[11:35] Bill Blight: Well there needs to be fewer combinations ... People need to quit living in the past ... (personal opinion)

[11:37] Bill Blight: oops premature TP

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: :)

[11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: :)

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: kay you will to test some combinations

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: i will not do that for you, bc obvius reasons

[11:38] Kayaker Magic: Sure, I will go test, since I cannot get a simple yes/no for one combination here.

[11:39] Bill Blight: just maybe no one here has tested that combination .. no real reason to

[11:39] Bill Blight: could give you a BS answer

[11:39] Kayaker Magic: "I don't know" is a reasonable answer.

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: not that related to ppl here, but osgrid did a beta release

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: so some more users can play with eep region and eep viewers

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: since many can't compile from out code

[11:42] Ubit Umarov: it fight with the ini files

[11:42] Ubit Umarov: or fight..

[11:43] Ubit Umarov: https://twitter.com/osgrid/status/1290471372335075328 if any wants :)

[11:44] Ubit Umarov: eep fs beta https://wiki.firestormviewer.org/fs_eep_beta_downloads

[11:44] Bill Blight: On another note, my grid closed down a few days early, due to a HD failure in the server, was not going to spend the time to fix it just to shut it down ..

[11:44] Bill Blight: there is a box on the table behind me with a link to the FS beta page

[11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll have to update my copy of FS after the meeting.

[11:46] Ubit Umarov: at least if does fix the crash editing/rez meshes

[11:47] Ubit Umarov: guess that was the worse but on previus

[11:47] Bill Blight: I have not had that crash with either of the new betas

[11:47] Kayaker Magic: What happened to Gavin?

[11:48] Bill Blight: He mistakenly got offended by the "ignoring us" comment about viewer devs ..

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: yeah

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: well he understand that .. tomorrow or so.. i hope :)

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: .. will..

[11:51] Ubit Umarov: btw nice env you had on that region in yr gird bill

[11:51] Ubit Umarov: or fest?

[11:51] Bill Blight: oh the fest landing .. yeah it is cool

[11:51] Ubit Umarov: think that was the fest welcome plat

[11:52] Ubit Umarov: as bill said he did set up a parcel back there

[11:52] Ubit Umarov: with own env

[11:53] Ubit Umarov: and also per altitude

[11:53] Bill Blight: nothing real fancy, just to show the changes

[11:53] Kayaker Magic: I sent someone to get the asset box from LSBA. He reports that the box has a script but no assets in it. How does it work?

[11:53] Ubit Umarov: normal HG

[11:54] Ubit Umarov: normal HG assets transfer i mean

[11:55] Ubit Umarov: sure you know ppl can buy things on other grids with hg, no?

[11:56] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, Kitely works that way. Interesting trick, I will study the script.

[11:56] Ubit Umarov: only has the references

[11:56] Ubit Umarov: of course

[11:57] Ubit Umarov: if same uuid is already present on the grid and it is bad, it must be deleted on the assets dbs

[11:57] Ubit Umarov: and a new copy of the box donr

[11:58] Ubit Umarov: wel old trick

[11:58] Ubit Umarov: thats how i update osgrid with new assets

[11:59] Ubit Umarov: as i said the rainbow one needs update, but dan needs to remove the old one first

[11:59] Ubit Umarov: ai austin did improve the red area

[12:00] Ubit Umarov: or red/near infrared area :)

[12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Wow. This hour went by quickly. Any last minute comments or questions?

[12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, hellosteevithak. Didn't see you there as you were hidden by my open chat window.

[12:02] Kayaker Magic: hehe, I had a question for Gavin!

[12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, ok. You will have to hold that question until next week.

[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: If there isn't anything more that will conclude the meeting for today.

[12:05] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all

[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.

[12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby.