Chat log from the meeting on 2009-05-05



[09:57] Connected [09:58] Nebadon Izumi: hello bri [09:59] Bri Hasp: Hi [09:59]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [09:59] Connected [09:59] Richardus Raymaker is Online [09:59] Bri Hasp: wow this place Rez's fast [09:59] Justin Clark-Casey is Online [10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Offline [10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Offline [10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Online [10:00] Justin Clark-Casey: hello good burgers of osgrid [10:00] Justin Clark-Casey: er, burghers [10:00] tx Oh: moin [10:00] Aramis Soren: hehe burghermeister meisterburger [10:00] Bri Hasp: :) g'day Mr JCC [10:00]  Richardus Raymaker is Online [10:00]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [10:00]  Connected [10:01]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Justin [10:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: things feel pretty snappy today [10:01]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:01]  Nebadon Izumi: things have been holding up pretty well on this revision [10:01]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.4.9395  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True [10:01] Bri Hasp: I see 9395 [10:01]  Tumble Stone: hi all [10:01]  Nebadon Izumi: hello [10:01]  Kitto Flora: Wow.. Fedora lives? [10:02]  Aramis Soren: hi tumble [10:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: hello Tumble [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: yes we run Fedora here [10:02]  tx Oh: huhu [10:02]  Richardus Raymaker: hi justin, nebadon [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: Fedora and Suse are very similar [10:02]  BlueWall Slade is Offline [10:02]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [10:02]  Connected [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: Charles prefers Fedora [10:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: Hi Richardus [10:02]  Bri Hasp: 95 is so good I am afraid of movingi [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont mind either way [10:02]  Bri Hasp: hehe [10:03]  Richardus Raymaker: why do i see more problems with connecting to region. last days. it seems to hang there. sometimes it proceed. or its justin terrible slow sometimes at that point ? [10:03] BlueWall Slade is Online [10:03] Richardus Raymaker: hi bri [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: make sure your either at 9362 [10:03] Kitto Flora: Maybe I should go back to Fedora [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: or 9395 [10:03] Charles Krinke is Online [10:03] Bri Hasp: Hi Richard [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: anything else probably wont run well [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: i will only really certify 9395 today [10:03] Teravus Ousley is Online [10:03] Justin Clark-Casey wonders if that was a deliberate reference to him [10:03] Charles Krinke: Morning [10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: hello Charles [10:03] Richardus Raymaker: im at 9405. that seems to be a bit ok. where just on zauis plaza. there my viewer crashed to [10:03] Kitto Flora: Do vehicles crash it? [10:03] BlueWall Slade: g'morning [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: i suggest changing to that version at your soonest convienence [10:04] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [10:04] Connected [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: deends on the vehicle [10:04] Richardus Raymaker: hi kitto [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: depends [10:04] Kitto Flora: I hears [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: i hear people :) [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: unfortunatly i was moving wires last night [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: and my mic is unhooked [10:04]  Richardus Raymaker: to who do you talk nebadon ? [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: i havent fixed it yet [10:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: Should we keep the main chat on text and just keep voice as a back channel? [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: yea i think so [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: ok to test voice [10:05]  Static Sprocket: +1 text chat [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: but lets keep the meeting going here [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: so i can log what we say easier [10:05]  Snoopy Pfeffer is Offline [10:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: OK [10:05]  Bri Hasp: amen [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: im gonna have to hire a court stenographer [10:05]  Richardus Raymaker: chat will always be number 1. vice is a futere. to use sometimes [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: hello [10:05]  Aramis Soren: or have a dragon translate the speech log hehe [10:05] BlueWall Slade: Hello [10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm always hoping that vice is in my future [10:06] Richardus Raymaker: where not happy with 9362 and 9395 [10:06] Kitto Flora: Will speakers be known as the vice squad? [10:06] Justin Clark-Casey smiles [10:07] Charles Krinke: Do we hold at last weeks "recommended" for this week and not advance? Remember, the "recommended" is *mostly* for those that dont want to be sacrificied on the bleeding edge. [10:07] Fly Man is Online [10:07] Kitto Flora: Yes ducks [10:07] Richardus Raymaker: gosh. it works. hi snoopy [10:07] Kitto Flora: Who's the bird? [10:07] tx Oh: there is a buzz [10:07] Strawberry Fride: tweet [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: yea [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: try not to lock your mics [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: if you can [10:07] Richardus Raymaker: better a buzz then a bug [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: use the toggle [10:07] Kitto Flora: Hum [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: thanks [10:08] Kitto Flora: fixed [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: :) [10:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: charles: 9395 feels like a good recommended, at least to me [10:08]  Bri Hasp: chirp... mutes [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: ya the best thing to do [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: is go to preferences [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: and set your middle mouse button [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: to act as a toggle [10:08]  Strawberry Fride: lol [10:08]  Kitto Flora: the first me has hum [10:08]  Fly Man: Boo [10:08]  Chris D is Online [10:08]  tx Oh: also with feedback [10:08]  Charles Krinke: Nebadon, others, any objections to "9395" for this weeks "recommended" ?? [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: no objections [10:08]  Kitto Flora: Lost ground on Mic [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: there it goes [10:08]  Fly Man: is the buzz gone now ? [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi whispers: :) [10:09] Kitto Flora: Gone [10:09] Fly Man: is it back now ? [10:09] Kitto Flora: back [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:09] Richardus Raymaker: something worked not nice for me with linked prim sets. or i where not slow enough [10:09] tx Oh: back [10:09] Fly Man: k [10:09]  Starky Rubble: RiRa? [10:09] Fly Man: then it's me [10:09]  Fly Man: let me refresh [10:09] Charles Krinke: good grief. I see I need a shave after getting this skin, Nebadon. [10:09] Kitto Flora: fly has loose joints [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:09] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: the unlink stuff was reworked by Melanie recently [10:09] Richardus Raymaker: hi starky [10:09] BlueWall Slade: Fly Man hs a buz [10:09] Fly Man: Fly man has a broke leg ;) [10:09]  Charles Krinke: first time I looked at my front [10:09]  Fly Man: brb [10:09]  Starky Rubble: Ah [10:09]  Nebadon Izumi: told you, you had a nice stache [10:09]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:10]  Charles Krinke: Ok. Objections to "9395" for this weeks "recommended" ?? [10:10]  Snoopy Pfeffer is Online [10:10]  Strawberry Fride: osgridon a Samsung NC10 is somewhat slow... to say th least :) [10:10] Fly Man: 9395 ? [10:10] Richardus Raymaker: wich version justin. im for now happy with 9405 [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: im very happy with 9395 for this week [10:10] Fly Man: I'm more happy with the one that fixed it all [10:10] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: it will definitely be in your build [10:10] Fly Man is Offline [10:10] Chris D is Online [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: were on 9395 here [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: thats the one [10:10] Charles Krinke: Justin likes "9395". Other versions? Lets just pick one and go one. [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: thats where everyone seems to be most happy [10:10] Snoopy Pfeffer: hi :) [10:10]  Richardus Raymaker: i agree 9395 is not bad one [10:10]  Bri Hasp: 9395 solid [10:11]  Strawberry Fride: good to know [10:11]  Fly Man is Online [10:11]  Nebadon Izumi: yea dont be afraid to test [10:11]  Charles Krinke: 9405? Going once? [10:11]  Nebadon Izumi: if things go haywire [10:11]  Nebadon Izumi: 9405? [10:11]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont know how much ive tested that [10:12]  Starky Rubble: I like 395 [10:12]  Bri Hasp: 9395 the math for boats is good.. only valid we have checked [10:12]  Fly Man: 9405 [10:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: my opinion is just 9395 since it seems pretty okay here [10:12]  Charles Krinke: It doesnt matter very much. Its only a week's recommendation. [10:12]  Nebadon Izumi: i havent tested 9405 [10:12]  Richardus Raymaker: go for 9295 [10:12]  Bri Hasp: nor us [10:12]  Nebadon Izumi: im still pretty much holding back [10:12]  Richardus Raymaker: oops 9395 [10:12] OtakuMegane Desu: Probably just go with 9395 and be done with it then [10:12] Charles Krinke: lets just do 9395 and go on. [10:12] OtakuMegane Desu: Builds seem to be coming so fast now... [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: okie dokie [10:12] Fly Man: 9395 is the one that had the fix with MTU in it ? [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:13] tx Oh: ys [10:13]  Nebadon Izumi: 9395 has alot of good reports to me [10:13]  Nebadon Izumi: yea probably not, though [10:13] Bri Hasp: and arctan is sane [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: i had some issues in the 9400 zone [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: and i actually reverted [10:13] Fly Man: Yupz [10:13] Fly Man: 9395 recommended [10:13] Fly Man: if that is the one that had the MTUsettings [10:13] Richardus Raymaker: easy week for nebadon. thats already on website [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: yes it is [10:13]  Fly Man: then it's the good one [10:14] Charles Krinke: Ok, next step. "What are the things that developers need to make their lives easier or to make any announcements or ask questions?" [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: were going to miss a day this week anyway [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: starting tonight [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: so we'll resume testing of newer revs on the weekend [10:14] paulie Flomar is Online [10:14] Justin Clark-Casey: I would like to ask if people's general experience of 9395 is pretty good. It sounds like it [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: and im sure next tuesday we'll be moving forward [10:14] Charles Krinke: ah, good point. OSGrid is going to have a asset-ectomy tonight [10:14] OtakuMegane Desu: Lol [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: yea the conversion begins at 1am tonight PST [10:14] Bri Hasp: (old Linden flu Wednesday in bed) [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: will last up to 24 hours [10:15] Gaspar Roux: +1 for 9395 [10:15] Strawberry Fride: good luck osgrid! [10:15] Chris D is Online [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: we have tested it a lot [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: and expect it to go very smooth [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: 1.6 million assets already converted [10:15] Charles Krinke: the patient should be in ICU and taking fluids by this time tomorrow. [10:15] OtakuMegane Desu: Nah, I have confidence in yu guys doing database work. [10:15] Kitto Flora: Hums [10:15] tx Oh: buzz [10:15] OtakuMegane Desu: NOw if it was LL... [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: cable beach server was tested yesterday [10:15] tx Oh: yes [10:15] Static Sprocket: Should regions be taken offline? [10:15] Kitto Flora: will the grid restart with a colostomy bag? [10:15] Fly Man: Yes [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: we through our best load at it [10:15]  Fly Man: Please close down all instances [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:16] Fly Man: before 1:00 AM [10:16]  Static Sprocket: Well, region coordinates be preserved? [10:16] OtakuMegane Desu: Will grid spots be reserved, though? [10:16] Fly Man: Yeah [10:16] Fly Man: Close down all regions [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: the transition was rough [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: but at 9395 ive seen great improvements [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: this are really much faster [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: less memory usage [10:16] Charles Krinke: Ok, question from Justin and others: "What are the problems testers have been seeing in the last week?" [10:16] paulie Flomar: Howdeh! [10:16] Justin Clark-Casey: so everything seems pretty stable for people? No funny stuff happening like bomb craters? [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: i even saw some people reporting mono showing drops in memory usage over time [10:17] tx Oh: yes, still leaking but not that fast [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: no doubt as our packet handling improves [10:17] Tiffany Sicling: 2.5 not leaking as bad as 2.0.1 my experience [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: mono will complain a lot less [10:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: do you use monoe 2.5 Neb? [10:17]  paulie Flomar: I'm experiencing TP issues with one of my regions. I can not TP to it. Problem is maybe local. [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:17] Charles Krinke: Are we in agreement on which mono version is the "recommended" (he said while heading for the door) [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: infact this region is running mono 2.5 [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: right now [10:17] Fly Man: 2.0.1 will work [10:17] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.4.9395  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True [10:17] OtakuMegane Desu: I'm running 2.5 too [10:17] OtakuMegane Desu: It's nice [10:17] Fly Man: until end of may [10:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes I also see that memory management is much better [10:17] paulie Flomar: Im on 2.01, which many have told me is suxors. [10:17] Fly Man: then VS2005 is going down the drainage [10:17] Charles Krinke: Anyone *not* able to get mono-2.5 to work? [10:18] paulie Flomar: But I havent moved. :) [10:18] Justin Clark-Casey: anybody experienced trampoline problems with 2.5? I believe it is prone to that [10:18]  tx Oh: i also use 2.5 [10:18]  Richardus Raymaker: i run mono 2.4 [10:18]  Nebadon Izumi: we have not recently Justin [10:18]  Bri Hasp: 2.4 seems stable (for Mono) [10:18]  Fly Man: Yes [10:18]  Nebadon Izumi: this region was trampoling 10 times a day on 2.4 [10:18]  OtakuMegane Desu: Only trampoline occurrence I've had on my sims is when falling from several thousdand meters [10:18]  Nebadon Izumi: and early 2.5 [10:18]  Bri Hasp: leaks are tolerable [10:18]  Nebadon Izumi: but the current SVN has not ever trampolined yet [10:18]  Snoopy Pfeffer: play with the max thread number to get rid of the trampoline bug [10:18]  Nebadon Izumi: only in early revs [10:18]  OtakuMegane Desu: And I think that's just physics maybe [10:18]  BlueWall Slade: 2.2/2.4 [10:18]  Kitto Flora: I havea problem with MONO 2.5 - but its likely specific to my development syste, [10:18] Zohnar Yifu: iv bounced a few times even here in WRight which is were i saw the worst [10:18] Snoopy Pfeffer: too big ans too small is bad [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: the current SVN daily [10:18] Fly Man: trampolines are on 2.4 [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: is very stable [10:18] Snoopy Pfeffer: 80 is good for me [10:18]  Richardus Raymaker: i have not seen trampolines [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:19]  Tiffany Sicling: I've trampolined with 2.5 when my high-prim hair is attached [10:19] tx Oh: my hypergrid standalone on my tv settop works with 1.9.1 [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: i wont say 2.5 is perfect [10:19] paulie Flomar: no trampolines on 2.01 [10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: so, nobody been epxerience trampolining on 2.5? [10:19] BlueWall Slade: 2.5 has worked very good on the plazas [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: but tramplines seem to have subsided [10:19] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol [10:19] paulie Flomar: yes, clarify tramping. [10:19] Fly Man: Trampolining: The way a avatar is going up and down [10:19] Strawberry Fride: I have not much cue, but assume it's a linux/mono thing [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: no [10:19]  Fly Man: whle it's not jumping [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: its memory [10:19] OtakuMegane Desu: 2.5 not perfect no, but I've had fewer p [roblems than I did on 2.01 [10:19] OtakuMegane Desu: And much faster [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: it relates to memory [10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: By trampolining, we mean the throwing of execptions on the command line, often at startup [10:19] Zohnar Yifu: i have trampolined here on wright earlyer today. allmost ramed me into a roof [10:19] Snoopy Pfeffer: it's a very weired error message lol [10:19] Tiffany Sicling: ok, no trampolining vertical, but horizontal for me only with my hair on [10:19]  Justin Clark-Casey: the assertion mentions mini-trampoline.c (a C file), hence the name [10:19] paulie Flomar: error messages occur on tramping? [10:20] Starky Rubble: Trampolining is unexpected and strange bounciness on the ground when walking [10:20] Justin Clark-Casey: noooo, not bounciness!:) [10:20]  Starky Rubble: Oh? [10:20]  Nebadon Izumi: http://mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime:Documentation:Trampolines [10:20]  Nebadon Izumi: have a read [10:20]  Nebadon Izumi: :) [10:20] Richardus Raymaker: remobve the springs from your shoes starky [10:20] OtakuMegane Desu: The lbsa sign is beginning to get addictive for me [10:20]  Starky Rubble: extreme boinginess? [10:20] Aramis Soren: while tramping is expected strange bounciness in late nite clubs [10:20] Strawberry Fride: cool :) [10:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes Rich :) [10:21] BlueWall Slade: It seems to happen when mono gets into swap [10:21] Zohnar Yifu: iv been using C# express for my servers [10:21] Fly Man: But a quick Q for all those ppl that have regions up right now: [10:21] Fly Man: What's the Quick version on your region now ? [10:21] Richardus Raymaker: i have last time swapped 1GB. and no trampoline sofar i have seen [10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: Which version of mono is running on here? [10:21] Snoopy Pfeffer: I see it when many scripts are loaded on sims with many scripts [10:21] Charles Krinke: Ok, getting to the next item more quickly today: "What are the things that testers need from developers to make thier lives easier?" [10:21] paulie Flomar: r9416 [10:21] OtakuMegane Desu: r9410 [10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: Snoopy: yes, that's when I see it too [10:22] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [10:22] Connected [10:22] Aramis Soren: 8744 and 9340 :P [10:22] Justin Clark-Casey: although possibly code changes have actually alleviated it, now I think about it [10:22]  Snoopy Pfeffer: but with 80 threads it's perfect [10:22] Fly Man: Paulie, Okatan, Aramis: Why aren't you on 9332 or higher ? [10:22] Starky Rubble: 9395 [10:22] Justin Clark-Casey: so not to disrupt Charles too much, but has anybody seen tramplining with code in the last week at all? [10:22] Aramis Soren: cause it broke last time i tried lol [10:22] Tiffany Sicling: none [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: i think at the pace were moving [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: i can only say its working well [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:22] paulie Flomar: FM, I stay as close to HEAD as I can. Just for the lulz. [10:23] Strawberry Fride: :) [10:23]  Fly Man: K [10:23]  paulie Flomar: Im on 9416 [10:23]  Bri Hasp: 9395 and Net are happy [10:23]  Fly Man: would everyone be able to upgrade to 9395 asap before 1 AM this evening ? [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: ya thats possible [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant say for sure if mono or opensim fixed it [10:23]  tx Oh: i havnt mini trampolins since a whi;e [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: mono is C# [10:23]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I think that problem is caused my mono threading or memory management [10:23]  Tiffany Sicling: yes [10:23]  Fly Man: No [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: no [10:23]  Richardus Raymaker: 9395 flyman or 9395+ ? [10:23]  tx Oh: yes, there is no c# on linux [10:23]  Snoopy Pfeffer: so it depends on the version you use [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: .net is superior [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: on windows [10:24]  Fly Man: C# is better on Windows [10:24]  paulie Flomar: FM, HEAD is 9429. [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: .net and mono are both C# [10:24]  Fly Man: Using the System.NET things is C# better [10:24] Charles Krinke: I want to say that there appear to be some significant re-factoring coming down soon and we need toallow our devs the freedome to make breaking changes and have good cheer. [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:24] Fly Man: Mono is Linux way of talking .NET [10:24] Richardus Raymaker: i hav enot found a newer mono then 2.4 for suse. [10:24] paulie Flomar: Devs havd good Cher? [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: its come quite a long way mono [10:24] Richardus Raymaker: and ubuntu. sorry [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: and im sure it will improve much more [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: oh were not talking about flyuing up [10:25]  Snoopy Pfeffer: Rich you need to compile te newest mono versions yourself [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: trampoline is a crash on the console [10:25] Fly Man: th Wold [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: that mono spews [10:25] Fly Man: Wolf next ti Richardus [10:25] Richardus Raymaker: i only know the daily or mono 2.4 snoopy [10:25] Bri Hasp: sighs.. after laste week of odd errors from compiles to runs.. 95 is hard to leave [10:25] paulie Flomar whispers: Isee Zohnar. [10:25] Bri Hasp: references etc [10:25] Fly Man: I'm not even guessing [10:25] paulie Flomar: I see teh Zohnar. [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: i see on the couch [10:26] Fly Man: K [10:26]  Fly Man: But to make sure: [10:26] Tiffany Sicling: for some reason I cannot run screen anymore, it spews a lot of crap over and over [10:26] Maria Korolov is Online [10:26] Nebadon Izumi: Justin i have not seen it in some time [10:26] Nebadon Izumi: weeks probably [10:26] paulie Flomar: Is anyone else still on MOno 2.01? [10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, the situation will become clearer over time I should think [10:26] Fly Man: "Can everyone make sure that they have 9395 this evening before 1:00 AM ?" [10:26] Nebadon Izumi: ya you need post stand [10:26] Kitto Flora: It appears that the Ubuntu guys reckon that MONO is too unstable to deal with :/ [10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm still on mono 2.0.1 personally on everything [10:26] Nebadon Izumi: that even happens in second life [10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: Ubuntu 9.04 is no Mono 2.0.1 [10:26] Tiffany Sicling: 9395 or 9395+ ? [10:26] Tumble Stone: i iuse 2.0.1 too [10:26] Snoopy Pfeffer: I use mono 2.5 with ubuntu and I am happy with it [10:26]  Fly Man: 9395 is enough [10:26] paulie Flomar: FM, 9395 is old. HEAD is 9429. Shgould we backup to 9395? [10:26] Nebadon Izumi: hehe i thinkl someone mic is locked [10:27] Richardus Raymaker: kitto, let them try mono 2.4 works perfect on ubuntu [10:27] Fly Man: Paulie, if you go beyond 9395 that's ok [10:27]  paulie Flomar: Fm, k. [10:27]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lol [10:27] Fly Man: but make sure you're at least 9395 [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:27] Bri Hasp: Mono 2.5 is not in a repo to my knowledge [10:27] Kitto Flora: Richardus: Not here. Nothing but problems. [10:27] Fly Man: so we can make sure we don't see problems Thursday [10:27] Fly Man: There will be a help line available [10:27] Fly Man: in case of errors on Thursday [10:27] paulie Flomar: On Ubuntu, I'll prolly be stuck with 2.01 for six months. heh [10:27] ARADTech KoolKam: Thisi working pretty damn smooth :) [10:27]  Snoopy Pfeffer: Bri 2.5 is under devleopment [10:27]  Fly Man: All day [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: yea this feels great [10:27]  Bri Hasp: yes [10:27]  Aramis Soren: how many here now? [10:28]  Snoopy Pfeffer: you can fetch the latest version and complile it [10:28]  Fly Man: #osgrid-asset-update [10:28]  OtakuMegane Desu: 25 [10:28]  OtakuMegane Desu: Sweet [10:28]  Nebadon Izumi: say list [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Visitor List: [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Ideia Boa [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Master Dubrovna [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: OtakuMegane Desu [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Aramis Soren [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kitto Flora [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: tx Oh [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Bri Hasp [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Justin Clark-Casey [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tumble Stone [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Richardus Raymaker [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Static Sprocket [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Starky Rubble [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: BlueWall Slade [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Charles Krinke [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Teravus Ousley [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Strawberry Fride [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Gaspar Roux [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Fly Man [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Snoopy Pfeffer [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Zohnar Yifu [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tiffany Sicling [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Chris D [10:28]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: paulie Flomar [10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Total = 23 [10:28] Fly Man: Yeah [10:28] Fly Man: And don't forget [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: +1 to that list [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: it doenst show me [10:28]  Snoopy Pfeffer: true [10:28] Fly Man: Q&A is on ZAIUS [10:28] Fly Man: No longer on Wright [10:28] Bri Hasp: will stay at 2.4 till Mono group drops it [10:28]  Snoopy Pfeffer: we should focus better :) [10:28]  Fly Man: Zaius is the new home of the Q&A Hour [10:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: unfortunately my Saturdays are always unavailable right now [10:29]  paulie Flomar: Thx, FM. [10:29]  Richardus Raymaker: ill stay at 2.4 for now to [10:29]  Charles Krinke: no problem. "Q&A Hour" on Zaius Plaza on Saturday at 1900UTC [10:29]  Richardus Raymaker: because i know its a stable one [10:29]  Fly Man: Will post the info on Saturdays as well [10:29]  eaglefx Binder: that list aint complete ;) [10:29] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know what day is most of the time :P [10:29] paulie Flomar: Mebbe I'll try 2.4.. [10:29] Richardus Raymaker: startdate -????? [10:29] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: any feedback on whether 2.4 is still trampolining with the latest OpenSim builds would be much appreciated [10:30] Charles Krinke: What? No riot over reliability? Why is this meeting going sosmoothly?? [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:30] OtakuMegane Desu: Lol [10:30] M1sha Dallin: trampolining? [10:30] Bri Hasp: not seen any on 2.4 [10:30] Nebadon Izumi reaches for his 1800 prim avatar [10:30] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol :) [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: lol jk [10:30]  Fly Man: Those were the days ;) [10:30] Kitto Flora: Did you want to crash? [10:30] paulie Flomar: Are we still seeing A>B>AB crossing issues? [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: ah crap [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: i forgot about irc [10:30] Fly Man: Well, we could try that ;) [10:30]  Snoopy Pfeffer: lets do that hehe ;) [10:30] Richardus Raymaker: i run ubuntu 8.04 32bit mono 2.4if thats intressting [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: i meant to do that [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: next week [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: for sure [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: we'll test IRC bridge [10:30] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: not upgraded to 9.04? [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: atleast for meetings [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: probably not full time [10:31] Richardus Raymaker: why ? btw not sure if my dedicated have that [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: ah yea but i promised we sould test it again [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: this week infact [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: and i dropped the ball [10:31] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: 9.04 comes with mono 2.0.1, unless you upgrade mono manually [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: so next week [10:31] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw will we start to record voice? [10:31] Fly Man: Well, we can test it ... [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:31] Fly Man: Snoopy, no [10:31]  Richardus Raymaker: i compile omono manuall always [10:31] Fly Man: Voice is way to early to test [10:31] Kitto Flora: Justin: Did you try a manual upgrade? [10:31] ARADTech KoolKam: Im running suse 11 with mono 2.5 and its really smooth :) [10:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: then probably not a big issue for you [10:31]  Fly Man: You can always use Voice on the Plaza's [10:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: Kitto: yep [10:32]  Richardus Raymaker: ok. justin [10:32]  Fly Man: But here's a test [10:32]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:32]  paulie Flomar: I nevar have got voice working on CAmeo. heh. [10:32]  Fly Man: Like we did last week [10:32]  Charles Krinke: Ok, we seem o be mving right alng, soI willdeclare "opn meetng". ll subects ae "fair game" [10:32]  Kitto Flora: Maybe I should nuke the disk here and get 9.04 fresh [10:32]  Richardus Raymaker: did you made a picture for your photobook nebadon ? [10:32]  Fly Man: Please everyone that has voice, SPEAK [10:32]  Nebadon Izumi: also Adam is building some new lounge areas [10:32]  Fly Man: to see how the load on the server is [10:32]  Fly Man: Nebadon, please check the balance [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: you can visit "Lounge" and "Lounge 2" [10:32] Fly Man: Yes [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: to see adams newest lounges [10:32] Fly Man: Everyone at the same time ppl [10:33] Fly Man: so we can do a load balance on the sim [10:33] Aramis Soren: i hear nothing but clicking [10:33] Fly Man: Yeah [10:33] Fly Man: and then we didn't blow [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:33] Kitto Flora: Whats in em? Lizards? [10:33] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: with voice enabled? [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: there are stats for this server behind everyone [10:33] Charles Krinke: yep [10:33] Aramis Soren: yes [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: to see the load here [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: ah let me check [10:33] Aramis Soren: doublechecking [10:33] Fly Man: Jupz [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: we edite dit [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: edited [10:34] Snoopy Pfeffer: you can disable the beeping :) [10:34]  Fly Man: That's why we wanted more ppl talking ;) [10:34] BlueWall Slade: 100 config options [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: also [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: something we did differnt [10:34] BlueWall Slade: lol [10:34] Kiro Dragoon: i cant seem to get voice to work [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: we have created dummy regions [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: for each of our freeswitch servers [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: the main region in the freeswitch config [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: tends to get pounded [10:34] Richardus Raymaker: its easyer to plug sound into voice then say something.. say what ? [10:34] BlueWall Slade: I haven't had a chance to do anything on the sound card [10:34] Tiffany Sicling: I hear voice, have no clue who is talking, no dots above anyone's head [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: someone is open talking [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: please unlock mic [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:35] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: ah, so the load is more spread now? [10:35] Fly Man: yeah p [10:35]  Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: we have a dumby regioon to receive to spew from freeswitch [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: taks the load off the plazas [10:35] Fly Man: I'd like to keep to IRC for those Q ;) [10:35]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: just out of interest is that information in the wiki page, or is this all high experimental? :) [10:35] Fly Man: Not to fly around with jetpacks [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: very experimental [10:35] Kiro Dragoon: im guessing i cant get on voice cuse this viewer wasnt ment for osg... [10:35] Fly Man: O btw [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: the idea hit me few nights ago [10:35] Fly Man is developing a Ring system [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:36] Justin Clark-Casey: kiro: is that 1.22? [10:36] BlueWall Slade: yes [10:36] Nebadon Izumi: all the OSGrid plazas [10:36] Nebadon Izumi: use 2 fswitches [10:36] Fly Man: For the ppl that want more visitors, it will be available shortly in the Freebie Place [10:36] Richardus Raymaker: ask it for safety again. how do you keep the regions locked if we need to shut them down before 1 ? [10:36] Kiro Dragoon: im using Greenlife Viewer [10:36] Nebadon Izumi: mostly for ease [10:36] Nebadon Izumi: they all could use 1 [10:36] Nebadon Izumi: really [10:36] Fly Man: Richardus, we don't ;) [10:36]  BlueWall Slade: kill -9 is your friend [10:36]  Fly Man: So the grid will be very empty at first [10:36]  paulie Flomar: killall -9 freeswitch [10:36]  Justin Clark-Casey: kiro: yeah, the necessary voice changes are only in recent 1.22 viewers, it might be that your viewer doesn't incorporate them [10:37]  Fly Man: Only the dev's will have some regions up for the last tests [10:37]  Fly Man: then the grid opens up again [10:37]  Richardus Raymaker: lol bluewall. thats almost the same as not shutting down [10:37]  Fly Man: and then it's running time ;) [10:37] Kiro Dragoon: no, my viewer copied the voice program from regular sl whenit insalls [10:37] Fly Man: Might be fun to see how fast the grid fills up again ;) [10:37]  Charles Krinke: I seem to be "overtyping" the chat line more then usual. [10:37]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [10:37]  Connected [10:37]  Justin Clark-Casey: Kiro: yeah, but I think the viewer itself needs changes too [10:37]  Justin Clark-Casey: I could be wrong though [10:37]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I still think that the freeswitch registry related functionality should not be in opensim.exe [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: snoopy [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: what we did [10:38]  Kiro Dragoon: ill try reloging with the normal viewer [10:38]  Fly Man: Yeah, strange that I have a beep [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: is make a dumby void region [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: that recieves all that nosense [10:38]  Snoopy Pfeffer: it could be a server process per freeswitch [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: so your region consols are quiet [10:38]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes [10:38] Snoopy Pfeffer: I will also do that, because there is no better solution yet [10:38] Fly Man: Damn [10:39] Fly Man: what happened to this headset .. [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: you can throw it on my pile of 37 dead headsets if you want [10:39] Kitto Flora: broken wire in the headset cord [10:39] Tiffany Sicling: wireless headsets are cool [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:40] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw freeswitch runs unstable on my 64 bit ubuntu server if I use the high priority option [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: im running freeswitch on my Windows 7 x64 [10:40] Snoopy Pfeffer: ah ok [10:40]  Nebadon Izumi: no issues yet [10:40] Fly Man: Strange .. it's sound and clear in Skype [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: Fly man [10:41] Nebadon Izumi: lower you mic volume [10:41] Nebadon Izumi: in voice preferences [10:41] Nebadon Izumi: in the viewer [10:41] Richardus Raymaker: voice is much betetr then last week [10:41] Aramis Soren: still just clicking, 1.22.11 viewer [10:41] Nebadon Izumi: could be the texture resolution [10:41] Nebadon Izumi: 64x64 v 1024x1024 [10:41] BlueWall Slade: they are constantly updating [10:41] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe - though the one in the bottom right hand corner is extremely blurry [10:41] Fly Man: Yeah [10:41] Fly Man: strange .. [10:41] Fly Man: have to play with it [10:42]  Fly Man: So remember: [10:42] Kitto Flora: That english voice is loud - overloading [10:42] Fly Man: #osgrid-asset-update [10:42] Kitto Flora: Yes [10:42] Fly Man: This Thursday from 0:00 till 19:00 CET [10:42] Kitto Flora: Bit better [10:42] Fly Man: If you have any troubles with getting the region up [10:42]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:42] Fly Man: or when the loading of a region doesn't take place [10:42] Tiffany Sicling: how do you know who is speaking? [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: you dont [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: not yet [10:43] Teravus Ousley: memorize the voice with the name :) [10:43]  BlueWall Slade: anonymous voice [10:43]  eaglefx Binder: thats the trick of voice ;) [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:43] Snoopy Pfeffer: there is no speakers dot implemented yet [10:43] Charles Krinke: Loudest voice wins [10:43] Kitto Flora: Its anonyvoice [10:43] tx Oh: with the buzz [10:44] tx Oh: :-) [10:44]  BlueWall Slade: Buzz Lightyear [10:44]  Fly Man: Ghehe [10:44]  Fly Man: Hey Blue [10:44]  Richardus Raymaker: i can poick snoopy out of the voice. i think nebadon is possible to [10:44]  Fly Man: where's your voice ;) [10:44] tx Oh: i thought its to gain attention. :-) [10:44] Fly Man: Haven't heard the squarrel ;) [10:44] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol [10:44] Tiffany Sicling: my mic isn't workiing [10:44] Fly Man: But I heard a real English lady earlier [10:45] Fly Man: was that Snoopy ? [10:45] Ideia Boa: hey all [10:45] Snoopy Pfeffer: no lol [10:45] Charles Krinke: Anything else that needs to be brought up? [10:45] Nebadon Izumi: well i would like to remind everyone that its a good time to test out making an OAR of your simulator [10:45] Nebadon Izumi: anything thats very important to you [10:45] Nebadon Izumi: cant live without it [10:45]  Richardus Raymaker: ill make a backup of the database [10:45] Nebadon Izumi: make sure you back it up before 1am [10:45] Aramis Soren: will that kill the servers tonite if everyone oars? [10:45] Maria Korolov: thanks for the oar reminder -- i just got my door to work, too :-) [10:45]  Richardus Raymaker: database dont work ? [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: we dont expect that [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: but like i said [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: if 1 object goes missing [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: your probably out of luck [10:45]  Tiffany Sicling: so our inventory might HG into /dev/null too ? [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: if the entire thing implodes [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: we will revert [10:46]  BlueWall Slade: dump important inventory into a care package with your region [10:46]  tx Oh: oar's didn't save setted sit targets of objects, btw [10:46]  Charles Krinke: If youhave a backup, you might not need it. But, ... if you dont, .... [10:46]  Snoopy Pfeffer: good Neb [10:46]  Melanie Milland is Online [10:46]  Aramis Soren: iar not working at all yet? [10:46]  Fly Man: So please MAKE an save oar .oar [10:46] Nebadon Izumi: not really sure about IAR [10:46] Justin Clark-Casey: Aramis: in development :) [10:46]  Fly Man: so that you're safe [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: but you can always rez your inventory items into boxes [10:46]  Fly Man: Melanie isn't online here, I think [10:46]  OtakuMegane Desu: For some reason it never lets me [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: then do a save oar [10:46]  Aramis Soren: yeah just wondered if a crude backup would be doable [10:46]  Tiffany Sicling: kinda hard to dump all scripts into a box [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: just dump inventory folders into boxes rezzed in your simulator [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: then do a save oar [10:47]  Bri Hasp: I also Si'd folders [10:47]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I have too much in my inventory to put it in boxes lol [10:47]  Fly Man: Ahh, there's Melanie :) [10:47] Nebadon Izumi: if your really concerned [10:47] Aramis Soren: ok will try that later [10:47] Fly Man: No voice Melanie ? [10:47] Aramis Soren: still only clicking for me, but it quiets when voice slider is slid so i guess its on [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: ya nice load [10:48] Fly Man: O, and please remember: [10:48] Fly Man: 9395 before 1 AM [10:48]  Richardus Raymaker: i heared someone talking aboput she lost items in inventory in the past or something is a bitt messed up. where not complete clear. or things like that happen again. or its getting betetr ? [10:48] OtakuMegane Desu: So do we need to 'crash' sims or will we be ok for returning to our current coordinates with a normal shutdown? [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: were starting to see some slow down now [10:48] Fly Man: If youre beyond, even better [10:48] Fly Man: but make sure you have at least 9395 [10:48] Melanie Milland: is anyone hearing me on voice? [10:48] Maria Korolov: well, all of Wright plaza has been grayed out for me for the pasthalf hur... and voice is cutting in an out... so it's not perfect [10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes I did hear you Melanie [10:48] Teravus Ousley: no, not hearing you melanie [10:48] Fly Man: Melanie, not yet [10:48] Justin Clark-Casey: nope [10:48] paulie Flomar: nope, Mel. dont hear ya. [10:48] BlueWall Slade: yes [10:48] paulie Flomar: heard that! [10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: "I did not press the voice button" [10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe [10:49] Fly Man: Bit low voice [10:49] Richardus Raymaker: its still not clear for me. kill the regions or let them run ... [10:49] Aramis Soren: nothing, will have to check client in sl [10:49]  Richardus Raymaker: or.. shut them down with risk [10:49] Fly Man: Richardus: Before you kill, upgrade to at least 9395 [10:49] Richardus Raymaker: im at 9405 [10:49] Fly Man: Then you're good [10:49] Charles Krinke: then kill regins [10:50] Fly Man: Yeah, Teravus, as I said last time [10:50] Richardus Raymaker: ok. only need to make aor's keeps me busy for a while. lol [10:50] OtakuMegane Desu: So we need to kill them still to preserve coordinates? [10:50] Fly Man: I think you need to do some commercial for OSGrid ;) [10:50]  tx Oh: i still have no clue what will happen in this night. [10:50]  Maria Korolov: i think thta was melanie... it wasn't me [10:50]  Kiro Dragoon: i notice im teh only one with a dot over my head... is this normal? [10:50]  Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid? It's the new frontier? [10:50]  Fly Man: tx Oh, this coming night: [10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: yes Kiro [10:50]  Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid, where all your dreams can come true? [10:50]  Fly Man: Asset server will be blown away ;) [10:50] Fly Man: and a new one will arrive [10:50] Aramis Soren: OSGrid... where your hair isn't on your ass like SL [10:50] Charles Krinke: including the nighmares? [10:50] Fly Man: with all the converted assets [10:50] BlueWall Slade: lol [10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid, where men are women and women are men? [10:51] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol [10:51] Melanie Milland: ass-ets [10:51] paulie Flomar: Tonight, we upgrade in HELL! [10:51] Justin Clark-Casey grins [10:51] Fly Man: then after that, on Thursday [10:51] OtakuMegane Desu: huhuhuhuhuh you said "ass" [10:51] Master Dubrovna: will we still use the asset.osgrid.org designation? [10:51] Fly Man: When it does work: The Grid will be Open [10:51] Richardus Raymaker: as long its not a black hole [10:51] Fly Man: SO PLEASE DON'T ATTACH REGIONS TOMORROW [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:51] paulie Flomar: OSGRid turns into OSHole... [10:51] Fly Man: That's Melanie [10:52] Fly Man: Yup [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:52] Tiffany Sicling: OSG turns into OMG [10:52] Fly Man: Much better [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: there ya go [10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: you all sound the same to me [10:52]  Fly Man: Wow [10:52] BlueWall Slade: WOW [10:52] tx Oh: wiw [10:52] Fly Man: MY EARS :p [10:52] paulie Flomar: overdriving!!!! [10:52] paulie Flomar: gahhh!!! [10:52] Kitto Flora: Clients so need agc for voice. [10:52] paulie Flomar: my sensitie wolf ears!!!! [10:52] Tiffany Sicling: try halfway :) [10:52]  Fly Man: Yeah [10:52]  Fly Man: that's better [10:52]  Snoopy Pfeffer: sound like in SL where your ears get blown up [10:52]  BlueWall Slade: much [10:52]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe [10:52]  paulie Flomar: better . even lower would be fine [10:52]  Snoopy Pfeffer: :) [10:53] Tiffany Sicling: much clearer [10:53] Fly Man: So yes, this is the voice of the famous Melanie ;) [10:53]  Fly Man: She's louder [10:53]  paulie Flomar: Mel has more breath. [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: all sounds pretty good [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:53]  Richardus Raymaker: btw ? wick one PM ? wich timezone ? [10:53]  paulie Flomar: s'all good. [10:53]  Richardus Raymaker: uch [10:53]  Aramis Soren: PDT [10:53]  Richardus Raymaker: wich timezone wich 1 PM ? [10:53]  Fly Man: AM [10:54]  Fly Man: 1 AM [10:54]  paulie Flomar slurps coffeee for all to hear... [10:54]  Fly Man: Nope [10:54]  Fly Man: still working [10:54]  paulie Flomar: what is this freeze u speak of? [10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: ping [10:54]  Richardus Raymaker: wich 1 AM fly ? th OSGRID one ? utc ? GMT ? [10:54]  paulie Flomar: nice breathing. whoever. [10:54]  Fly Man: Neb: 1 AM PDT ? [10:54]  Nebadon Izumi: i hear someone breathing [10:54]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: that freeze [10:54] paulie Flomar: yer gettin us all hot, breagin like that.. [10:54] tx Oh: there is no news about the asset server outage this night on osgrid.org [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: were probably running low on ram [10:55] Bri Hasp: with OSG down will be a good time to Grider for feedback to Diva [10:55] Fly Man: 24 Hour outtage on 5/6/2009 starting at 1am PST [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: i killed lbsa plaza [10:55] OtakuMegane Desu: HOw much RAM is being used up now? [10:55] Justin Clark-Casey: phew, for a moment I thought we4 wren't going to crash [10:56] Melanie Milland: we've come a long way [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: give it a second to receover [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: woah [10:56] OtakuMegane Desu: derp [10:56] Kitto Flora: Beep [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: came back again [10:56] tx Oh: i do my oar's on cron basis [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: amazing [10:56] Kitto Flora: Ewww- lags [10:56] BlueWall Slade: whee [10:56] Justin Clark-Casey: ping [10:56] Snoopy Pfeffer: is the memory usage increasing? [10:56] BlueWall Slade: still in the game [10:56] Fly Man: So, in 13 hours [10:56] Aramis Soren: body count here? still 24-25? [10:57] Aramis Soren: cool [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: a bit not much [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: i killed the other sims [10:57] Fly Man: So, before 13 hours please upgrade to 9395 and OAR your region [10:57] Richardus Raymaker: do you block the region cleanup for 48+ hours ? [10:57] Charles Krinke: Look at the graphs behind us to see mem usage [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: 800 meg free [10:57] paulie Flomar: Teravus, you have teh cool voice. [10:57] Richardus Raymaker: uhmm soryy grid cleanup [10:57] Kitto Flora: 26 [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: give it a second to receover [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:57] tx Oh: yes [10:57] Melanie Milland: with* [10:57] Melanie Milland: i'd say a few months ago no one could have moved with this many ppl in sim [10:57] Aramis Soren: uh oh... [10:58]  Kiro Dragoon: what are oar's? ^.^; my first day on os grid [10:58] Tiffany Sicling: I am so skating backwards [10:58] Justin Clark-Casey: kiros: oars are a way of backing up regions and reloading them, there's more info on the wiki [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: no [10:58]  Melanie Milland: you row woth them [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:58] Justin Clark-Casey: pingilicious [10:58] Richardus Raymaker: if we couldmove ! [10:58] Bri Hasp: lol [10:58] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw is there a bug with clouds? [10:58] Tiffany Sicling: Hi trees, as I go by [10:58]  Melanie Milland: a saved sim, so to speak [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: the sim is pretty dead [10:58] Fly Man: Ghehe [10:58] Aramis Soren: Kiro oar is opensim region archive, a way to backup your region [10:58] Fly Man: Let's see if it crashes ? [10:58] Fly Man: Try [10:58] Melanie Milland: kiro, Object archives [10:58] Kiro Dragoon: ah ok ^.^ [10:58] Fly Man: Kiro, OAR's are backups [10:58] Fly Man: That's Melanie: [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: lol i can move again [10:59] Fly Man: She sees something and she's working on it already ;) [10:59]  Tiffany Sicling: wow, I can move again too [10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:59]  Nebadon Izumi: crazy [10:59]  Fly Man: Wow [10:59]  Aramis Soren: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Archives [10:59]  BlueWall Slade: test [10:59]  Melanie Milland: flunked [10:59]  tx Oh: yepp, chat lags are evil [10:59]  BlueWall Slade: taht was instance [11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: wow [11:00]  Kiro Dragoon: furnation on sl has worse chat lag [11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: even the clock works [11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: did you hear the clock [11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: it never works at meetings [11:00]  Richardus Raymaker: only saw lag on movement [11:00]  OtakuMegane Desu: Yes. I've been hearing that ticking the whole time :P [11:00]  Aramis Soren: is that the clicking i hear, the clock? [11:00]  Nebadon Izumi: yes its my clock [11:00]  Fly Man: Nah [11:00] Fly Man: It's this clock [11:00] Aramis Soren: is that ambient? [11:01] Tiffany Sicling: the mono bomb! [11:01] Justin Clark-Casey: mono is da bomb! [11:01] Aramis Soren: my ambient is 0 master is up but no voice, will check i sl afer here [11:01] Fly Man: Hmm [11:01] Teravus Ousley: tacked [11:01] Fly Man: A nice peak here [11:01] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis; you can hear us? [11:01] Aramis Soren: not a thing all meeting justin [11:01] Aramis Soren: just the clock :) [11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: you're using a 1.22 client? [11:02]  Aramis Soren: and vids music etc [11:02]  Richardus Raymaker: can you tell more about the new asset server ? [11:02]  Aramis Soren: yes 1.22.11 client [11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: yes, something sounds a bit awry then :( [11:02] Aramis Soren: unchecked and rechecked voice in settings [11:02] paulie Flomar: slooooooowww [11:02] Aramis Soren: i'll verify that it works in sl after the meeting here [11:02] Aramis Soren: don't think i've heard voice with this client there so could be me [11:02]  Fly Man: Strange [11:02] Michelle Argus is Online [11:02] Fly Man: we had a peak of memory [11:03] Fly Man: now it's stabilizing again [11:03] Nebadon Izumi: i restarted the other plazas [11:03] Nebadon Izumi: i think thats why it came back to life [11:03] OtakuMegane Desu: ffff [11:03] Justin Clark-Casey: Hello Mic [11:03] Snoopy Pfeffer: you need Hippo 0.5.1 for voice, Aramis [11:03] Mic Bowman: hi justin [11:03] OtakuMegane Desu: Unable to save oar. Usage: save oar [11:03] Mic Bowman: very well thank you :-) [11:03]  OtakuMegane Desu: Why do I always get this? [11:03]  paulie Flomar: im gettin 0.5 fps!!1 aaghh!! [11:03]  Mic Bowman: i'm still moving [11:03]  Aramis Soren: ok let me come back with hippo here [11:03]  Snoopy Pfeffer: 0.5.0 has a problem as far as I know [11:03]  Fly Man: How many ppl do we have here ? [11:03]  Fly Man: 27 [11:03]  Mic Bowman: what's the outgoing bw on the simulator? [11:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe [11:04]  Richardus Raymaker: !im at 29fps. running 2 viewers. but linux handles 2 viewers very good. [11:04]  Aramis Soren: ah crap still 0.4.0 hippo [11:04]  tx Oh: 7fps here [11:04]  Mic Bowman: i sawthat [11:04]  Fly Man: These [11:04]  Mic Bowman: didn't se networking up there [11:04]  Snoopy Pfeffer: yes that is far too old Aramis :) [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: network is bttom left [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: no [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: click it [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: it will force a refresh [11:04] Aramis Soren: thats not what i'm using here, just what is on desktop i only use it for mega prims [11:05] Fly Man: It's here [11:05] paulie Flomar is Online [11:05] Mic Bowman: got it [11:05]  Fly Man: most left one beneath [11:05] Fly Man: It was rezzing [11:05] Fly Man: Hmmm [11:05] Mic Bowman: yes [11:05] Fly Man: Hope this will show better when using the new asset server ; [11:05] Mic Bowman: it just wasn't fully downloaded [11:05] Richardus Raymaker: nice and high [11:06] ARADTech KoolKam: yes :) [11:06]  tx Oh: it's blury [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: i saw 1.5mbs upstream [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: stop clicking it [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:06]  tx Oh: here it comes clear [11:06]  Richardus Raymaker: i need to bake some oar's [11:06]  BlueWall Slade: see ya Charles [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: ive seen it get clicked like 20 times [11:06]  Charles Krinke is Offline [11:06]  Bri Hasp: byes [11:06]  Fly Man: Bye [11:06]  Fly Man: *waves* [11:07]  Snoopy Pfeffer: the turning animation is also not working properly [11:07]  Snoopy Pfeffer: it's simply missing [11:07]  Snoopy Pfeffer: a question: does the cloud module work? [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: yes [11:07]  Fly Man: Snoopy, Yes [11:07]  eaglefx Binder: lol [11:07]  Mic Bowman: dslake put together another analysis of the network performance & put it on the scisim wiki [11:07]  Fly Man: Ahh, nice [11:08]  Snoopy Pfeffer: I cannot see any clouds here and on my sims [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: look up [11:08]  Fly Man: upload about 2 Mb [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:08] Richardus Raymaker: oh that cloud. i thinked the last time about the othe rcloud [11:08] Mic Bowman: i'm trying to compare his "synthetic results" to these [11:08] Fly Man: download 0.5 Mn [11:08]  tx Oh: windlight [11:08] Snoopy Pfeffer: well any clouds hehe [11:08] Tiffany Sicling: classic clouds don't move [11:08] Snoopy Pfeffer: I just see a blue sky [11:09] Fly Man: Hmm [11:09] Fly Man: this one is nice [11:09] paulie Flomar: ya have to turn classic clouds on in WL prefs now, I think? [11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol sorry [11:09] Fly Man: it peaks at 11:41 [11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe [11:09] BlueWall Slade: I see strange textures for the classic clouds - maybe a remnant in cache from the new assset server [11:09] Bri Hasp: have to have clouds to keep our Brit friends happy [11:09] Fly Man: when we had all kind of actions [11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: that was a typical "user bug" ;) [11:09]  Tiffany Sicling: I had to turn off media in settings to keep that video panel from firing up on it's own [11:09]  paulie Flomar: omg, my helmet has moved its attachment pointso its floating in air! lol [11:10]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:10]  Connected [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: i supect someone moved it [11:10]  Richardus Raymaker: i see a floating helmet to [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:10]  Mic Bowman: what are you measuring in the network graph? [11:10]  Melanie Milland: i don't even know where WL prefs are [11:10]  paulie Flomar: now its back. lolz [11:10]  paulie Flomar: tricky opensim [11:10]  Mic Bowman: the bw into my box is running 500Kbps by itself [11:10]  Tiffany Sicling: using MRTG for that panel ? [11:11]  Snoopy Pfeffer: wow much lag!! [11:11]  Snoopy Pfeffer: my ao will make it worse lol [11:11]  Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:11] Connected [11:12] Melanie Milland: take it off, then [11:12] Richardus Raymaker: starting oar save marathon [11:12] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe [11:12] Snoopy Pfeffer: testing is also good :) [11:12]  Snoopy Pfeffer: we can all wear an ao and look what happens lol [11:12]  Richardus Raymaker: hehe [11:12]  Richardus Raymaker: lol [11:12]  Bri Hasp: ao on now [11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: lol Blue [11:13]  Richardus Raymaker: hi m1sha [11:13]  Nebadon Izumi: amazing it feels so smooth [11:13]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: say list [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Visitor List: [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Ideia Boa [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Master Dubrovna [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: OtakuMegane Desu [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Aramis Soren [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kitto Flora [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: tx Oh [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Bri Hasp [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Justin Clark-Casey [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tumble Stone [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Richardus Raymaker [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Static Sprocket [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Starky Rubble [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: BlueWall Slade [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Charles Krinke [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Teravus Ousley [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Strawberry Fride [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Gaspar Roux [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Fly Man [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Snoopy Pfeffer [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Zohnar Yifu [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tiffany Sicling [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Chris D [11:14]  Visitor List Recorder v1.1: paulie Flomar [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kiro Dragoon [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: eaglefx Binder [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Melanie Milland [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Mic Bowman [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: M1sha Dallin [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: ARADTech KoolKam [11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Total = 30 [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: nice [11:14] Fly Man: 30 ppl :d [11:14] Fly Man: nice [11:14] Bri Hasp: 30 avs? [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: that makes 31 visitors at todays meting [11:14] eaglefx Binder: u need some wheels Teravus ;) [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: the list doesnt list me Visitor List: Nebadon Izumi Ideia Boa Master Dubrovna OtakuMegane Desu Aramis Soren Kitto Flora tx Oh Bri Hasp Justin Clark-Casey Tumble Stone Richardus Raymaker Static Sprocket Starky Rubble BlueWall Slade Charles Krinke Teravus Ousley Strawberry Fride Gaspar Roux Fly Man Snoopy Pfeffer Zohnar Yifu Tiffany Sicling Chris D paulie Flomar Kiro Dragoon eaglefx Binder Melanie Milland Mic Bowman M1sha Dallin ARADTech KoolKam elsje  steins Florian Schleuppner Arnout Sequent Woutch Verstraeten Total = 33 [11:14]  Starky Rubble: nice [11:14]  Richardus Raymaker: thats a record. [11:14]  Kiro Dragoon: hmm.... where would one get an ao? i HATE the noob walk XP [11:14]  eaglefx Binder: hehe [11:14]  Bri Hasp: 95 rules..ty Melanie [11:15]  Mic Bowman is Offline [11:15]  Melanie Milland: we need to create an "official" ao that uses changed(CHANGED_ANIMATION) [11:15] Ideia Boa: I lost the connection cable, I think it happened the same with the entire city of Stockholm I am connected by my phone, someone can do me a small summary of the most important [11:15] Melanie Milland: so the ones with fast timers don't gain a foothold [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: Tomm has offered his original AO [11:15]  paulie Flomar is Offline [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: i have put it out in the Freebie garden [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: in the building lower floor [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: its all orginal code [11:15] Melanie Milland: does it use the new event? [11:15] tx Oh: i gtg, bye [11:15] Richardus Raymaker: how much assets storage do we have after tommorow ? [11:15] Kiro Dragoon: ima go pounce on that :P [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: not a Zhao [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: not sure, grab a copy before you go [11:16]  Bri Hasp: using it.. seems ok [11:16] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [11:16] Connected [11:16] Melanie Milland: the bad thing about AO is the fast timer based poll of llGetAnimation [11:16] Focus: Script running [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: log offs are harsh [11:16] Kiro Dragoon: ill just import scripts from an ao i have on my sl account :P [11:16] paulie Flomar is Online [11:17] Melanie Milland: kiro, then you will have afats timer based one that causes lag [11:17] Melanie Milland: SL AOs are not optimum for opensim [11:17] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ... [11:17] Fly Man: Nope [11:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: my ao is optimized for osgrid [11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: pingu [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: nope not crashed yet [11:17] Fly Man: It's still here [11:17] BlueWall Slade: It's a Timex!! [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: maybe it is just garbage collecting :) [11:17]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.4.9395  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True [11:17] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ... [11:18]  ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ... [11:18]  M1sha Dallin: The Tomm AO appears to use Changed_Animation [11:19]  ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ... [11:20]  Richardus Raymaker: i see lots of lag [11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: yea [11:20]  Nebadon Izumi: its nearing the end im sure [11:20]  Snoopy Pfeffer: is that a shield, Blue? [11:20]  paulie Flomar: lag citeh