Chat log from the meeting on 2009-02-24

[11:00] Strawberry Fride: well this is way better than I expected :) [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: hello [11:02]  Strawberry Fride: not to me, and that's all that matters, isn't it? self image? :) [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: omg what a morning [11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: hello Nebadon, hello folks [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: we went from thinking we lost the entire database [11:02] Strawberry Fride: I love that outfit Neb [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: to nothing being wrong at all [11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: ouch [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: rofl [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: god damn ibdata1 file corrupted [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: but since we stripped all innodb [11:02] Strawberry Fride: backups not available? [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: it didnt matter [11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: phew [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: there was but it was a couple days old [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: now i have a good backup from today [11:02] Strawberry Fride: cool [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: thats what most of the downtime was [11:02] Strawberry Fride: nice work :) [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: me backing it up [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but i thought i might have to restore [11:03]  Strawberry Fride: well, we tried 0.6.3 today [11:03]  Strawberry Fride: then ran away screaming [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but didnt have to thank god [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:03]  Strawberry Fride: I ended up Ruth - and I have spent the best part of a week trying to remove her [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i just logged in as a ruth [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but was able to get back to my lovely self [11:03]  Strawberry Fride: there seems to be something a little wonky with appearance [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: :) [11:03] Richardus Raymaker: the ruth problem sometimes happen for a while [11:03] Strawberry Fride: is that to do with providing default appearance? [11:04] Strawberry Fride: I saw a commit about that a couple of days ago [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think so [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: to combat the gas blob [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: maybe [11:04] Strawberry Fride: I would rather be gas [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: ive been so out of it [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: been moving all week [11:04] Strawberry Fride: ouch - never good :) [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: sort of what led to this near disaster [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: so ya dodged a bit of a bullet [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: but were good [11:04]  Strawberry Fride: this is the best I've seen this place in a while [11:04]  Nebadon Izumi: now we are alive and have a good backup [11:05]  Strawberry Fride: I must always time it so I log in when things are wonky [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: well its been bad the last few weeks [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: i must say [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lots of misaligned simulators [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: causing all kinds of havok [11:05]  Nebadon Izumi: we are probably just coming out of that now too [11:05]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.3.8585  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: but yea funniest part is i actually was moving during the backup this morning too [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: i made a run to my old condo [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: and brought stuff back while it was backing up [11:06]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:06]  Richardus Raymaker: why do i hover on many sims. and on my sim i need to adhust av)capsule to 0.63 to just get it right. but its till wrong. for bigger ones. [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: good question [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: i susepect we need to talk to Teravus [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: or one of the Physics experts [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: i saw a mantis about that [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: ODE crash [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: that i actually have happening on the plazas [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: default im almost till knees in the prim on my sim [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: hmm [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: 64 bit? [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: yup [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: ask Sdague [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: opensuse 11.1 64bit [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: he got it worked out recently [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: mono 2.2 [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: he will know [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: its settings in your OpenSim.ini for sure [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: but what he used i dont recall now [11:08] Richardus Raymaker: sure. i chaneged it get it a bit right.. [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: Tensor maybe [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: i forget [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: im pretty sure its drastic change in #'s too [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: not a subtle up by 10 or something [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: hey charles [11:08] Snowdrop Short: 64 bit ODE numbers? [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:09]  Snowdrop Short: hold on I have those [11:09] Richardus Raymaker: av_capsule_radius = 0.63 [11:09] Richardus Raymaker: av_capsule_standup_tensor_linux = 1700000 [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: great thanks Snowdrop [11:09] Richardus Raymaker: that works for me. but its not perfect [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: best we can do is start a mantis [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: everyone put what works for them [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: and we get a nice average [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: that sorta works for everyone [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: then we can probably make it work better [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: no doubt that will be the 1st think Teravus asks us to do though [11:10] Snowdrop Short: av_capsule_standup_tensor_linux = 1900000 [11:10] Richardus Raymaker: if there's a monatis i will reeply on it if i know the number. [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: that i dont know [11:10] Richardus Raymaker: but the capsule dont change the highed from the prim [11:10] Snowdrop Short: Iøll just pastebin, my opensim ini [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: hmm well dont be afraid to start another mantis [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: we can always associate them [11:11] Snowdrop Short: http://www.pastebin.ca/1346079 [11:11] Fly Man: Morning all :) [11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: Hey Fly-Man- [11:11]  Richardus Raymaker: evening.. [11:11]  Charles Krinke: morning [11:11]  Snowdrop Short: that setting works pretty ok on 64 bit linux [11:11]  Youtube Video Player v1.0:  [11:11]  Youtube Video Player v1.0:  [11:11]  Youtube Video Player v1.0: Enter the title number OR a youtube URL at /4 [11:11]  Richardus Raymaker: hi fly-man [11:12]  Snowdrop Short: with ode compiled according to the wiki [11:12]  Fly Man: So, back up and running :) [11:12] Richardus Raymaker: you have av capsule double. so the first 1 is useless. [11:12] BlueWall Slade: Hello [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: yea thank god [11:12] Snowdrop Short: big round of applause for the people who made it happe [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: what a pain [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: hehe but [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: it highlighted some deficiences we have [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: so it was a success in that regard [11:13] Charles Krinke: It was all Nebadon's and Adam's efforts. [11:13] Fly Man: Well, I'm happy that it's going again [11:13] Richardus Raymaker: thanks nebadon. need to dig into that again. [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: Jereme from ESC lent a hand too [11:13] Snowdrop Short: Richardus, just grab my OpenSim.ini from the pastebin [11:13] Fly Man: K, Justin is doing his walk again [11:13] Fly Man: so I think it's time to start :) [11:13]  Justin Clark-Casey: I'm practising my silly walk [11:13]  Richardus Raymaker: i did.. its on my desktop [11:13]  Charles Krinke: We still have thinkgs held together with duct tape until we get a new server configured [11:14]  Richardus Raymaker: hope you use A grade tape. [11:14]  Justin Clark-Casey: oh man, it's the dancing alien again [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:14]  Justin Clark-Casey: like the dancing baby except more gruesome [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:14]  UUID Speaker: MysticFire Xanadu: 4a0ca302-6ce1-436f-a21c-c6c1917d0cdd [11:14]  UUID Speaker: MysticFire Xanadu: 4a0ca302-6ce1-436f-a21c-c6c1917d0cdd [11:14]  UUID Speaker: MysticFire Xanadu: 4a0ca302-6ce1-436f-a21c-c6c1917d0cdd [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: my happy dane [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: dance [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:14]  Richardus Raymaker: sorry, snowman. i will try that setting when i have time. [11:15] Snowdrop Short: okay [11:15] Charles Krinke: I think, like normal, we should give the floor to any -dev questions or statements first. [11:15] Fly Man: *raises hand* [11:15] Charles Krinke: go ahead, Fly-Man [11:15] Fly Man: I would like to ask what the current status of the Userserver / Messaging server is [11:15]  Fly Man: as I see many commits about it [11:16]  Fly Man: Anyone can collaberate on it ? [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: its in a state of Flux [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: thats about all i can add [11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: I think you would have to talk to MW about that [11:16] Fly Man: Okay, will talk to MW about it :) [11:17]  Charles Krinke: I see Mw trying to re-organize it a bit by looking at the commits. [11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: heheh [11:18]  Justin Clark-Casey: charles: DO you know when we might see 0.6.3 installers? [11:18]  Charles Krinke: I'll try a question: "What are the things that used to work, but are broken now?" [11:19]  Richardus Raymaker: is there a way to get the restart button working in the viewer ? make things more easy to reload ini files [11:19]  Ruud Lathrop: I have a Question, what is the idea about J2KDecoderModule? [11:19]  Strawberry Fride: has anyone else had issues with textures crossing sims running on different consoles / servers on 0.6.3> [11:19]  Strawberry Fride: what he said :) thanks Ruud :) [11:19]  Charles Krinke: Justin, I dont know. But it seems a good thing to get one or two folks working on [11:19]  Justin Clark-Casey: Ruud: how do you mean? [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: only if they are not inline with proper SVN revisions [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: say older than the cut off to newer than the cut off [11:19] Ruud Lathrop: Saving texture on a region level? [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: can be very problematic [11:19] Justin Clark-Casey: Charles: i think on eo fhte 3di guys does htem? [11:19] Charles Krinke: J2KDecoderModule is Teravus attempt to load textures more quickly [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: 8544 is the cut line [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: i think [11:20] Richardus Raymaker: i saw only that avatars get white. and sometime i get roth face. bit misformed. rebake fix it mostly. [11:20] Ruud Lathrop: But doesnt work if you run multiple instances of Regions, or atleast wonky [11:20] Jeff Genkii: Justin: I think adjohn is working on a 0.6.3 windows installer [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: Hey Jeff [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: hows it going man [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: Ruud: Ah, that may be something to bring up. I havent' seen that problem yet and I have a server running multiple regions (on linux) [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: Jeff: cool [11:20] Charles Krinke: Everyone able to get trunk to work? And, morning, er, evening, Jeff. [11:21] Fly Man: Trunk is running fine on MySQL and NHibernate now [11:21] Snowdrop Short: what is the status on NHibernate? [11:21] Jeff Genkii: heh, morning (4 am here) :) [11:21]  Fly Man: Nhibernate is working [11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey: jeff: Insomnia? [11:22]  Fly Man: but we're still on a break of the UserData stuff [11:22]  Fly Man: a bug from Mono or the team makes it spill up [11:22]  Charles Krinke: Is mono-2.2 better then previous mono's for everyone? [11:22]  Fly Man has 2.5 trunk and that runs sweet [11:23]  Snowdrop Short: isn't that 2.4? [11:23]  Richardus Raymaker: for now 2.2 works fine with suse 11.1 [11:23]  Fly Man: 2.5 now [11:23]  Snowdrop Short: what is the lowest level we support? [11:23]  Richardus Raymaker: ok. cpu still climbing. never see it go much down. [11:23]  Jeff Genkii: Justin: nope, cleaning things up for an imminent product release [11:23]  Charles Krinke: I *think* mono-2.2 is the latest released mono, is it not? I have been trying to recommend we strive to use the latest released mono, whatever it is. [11:24] Nebadon Izumi: oh look at that handsom devil on the picture board :P [11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: snowdrop: 1.9.1 [11:24] Charles Krinke: probably 1.9.1, SnowDrop [11:24] Snowdrop Short: ubuntu won't go 2.2 until end of april [11:24] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:24] Ruud Lathrop: Which .NET version is compatible with mono-2.2? 2 or 3? [11:24] Snowdrop Short: 3 [11:24] Charles Krinke: When I say "released" mono, I am thinking of the mono web site, not the various distributions, actually. [11:25] Fly Man: Charles, how did the 8572 run on your regions so far ? [11:25] Snowdrop Short: but but no linq to sql [11:25] Charles Krinke: seems to be fine, they are running [11:25] Fly Man: no hard messages ? [11:26] Charles Krinke: consoles seem nominal, but I have not logged into them. Others are building there and I am getting homestead messages. [11:26] Charles Krinke: via e-mail [11:26] Fly Man: Nice :) [11:26]  Richardus Raymaker: looks pretty stable here. low avarage load. [11:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: did everybody make it through the interface bump, or have the UGAIM servers not reached it yet? [11:26]  Fly Man: Yeah, the UGAIM is up to 3 ? [11:26]  Charles Krinke: IF they were broken, I suspect the homesteaders would be e-mailing me that complaint. [11:27]  Fly Man: Charles, as I was about to suggest to declare the 8572 as a preferred for this week [11:27]  Charles Krinke: Question for the -dev's: "Are we getting better with our Mantis notes and observations?" What else can we do to improve the test observations? [11:27]  Justin Clark-Casey: I don't see any noticeable change [11:28]  Charles Krinke: Fly-Man. If Nebadon agrees, I have no objections. [11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: ok [11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: i will take Fly-mans word for it [11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: i have not had the time for proper testing [11:28] Fly Man: Then let's postpone it until Saturday [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: ok [11:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: charles: I do have a question for you (and other people). What do you think the useability of OpenSim is like for non-developers? [11:28] Fly Man: Then I have the Q&A again [11:29] Dahlia Trimble: Hi :) [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: Hey Dahlia [11:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: hello dahlia [11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: welcome to the Party :) [11:29] Strawberry Fride: Hi Dahlia :) [11:29]  Dahlia Trimble: :) [11:29] Charles Krinke: Justin: folks are homesteading on my personal regions and no one is complaining so I would say "pretty good" [11:29] Dahlia Trimble: can't stay long :/ [11:29] Charles Krinke: Then, you should have the floor if you wish it, Dahlia. [11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: but I presume they are people who aren't running their own servers? [11:30] Fly Man: Justin, it's just the step to setup their own regions ... [11:30] Dahlia Trimble: I don't really have any issues now [11:30] Fly Man: when they have taken that step, all runs like it should :) [11:30]  Charles Krinke: Justin. Right. Homesteaders by definition are folks occupying a 1024m parcel [11:31]  Justin Clark-Casey: Fly-Man: Do you think a lot of the stuff lying about in OpenSim (the optional modules, strange console commands that don't do anything, etc.) is confusing, or does it not really matter? [11:31]  Fly Man: Well, it's mostly the setting up [11:31]  Fly Man: How to get it working [11:31]  Fly Man: that confuses many ppl [11:31]  Fly Man: and the agony of not getting it right the first time [11:31]  Fly Man: routers and NAT can be a pain in the ass ;) [11:31] Justin Clark-Casey: You mean all the stuff in OpenSim.ini that needs twiddling, and the process of setting up region xml? [11:32] Richardus Raymaker: big pain [11:32] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, the network stuff is hard to do anything about :) [11:32]  Snowdrop Short: I've been thinking about a tools for helping with setting up [11:32]  Fly Man: Most people that I talk to are using the recommended zip from the OSgrid website [11:32]  Fly Man: that I ask nebadon to create before every Q&A on Saturday [11:32]  Justin Clark-Casey: Fly-Man: that zip comes with the appropriate osgrid parameters already set up? [11:32]  Fly Man: Yes [11:32]  Justin Clark-Casey: cool [11:33]  Fly Man: All things are already setup for them [11:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: Snowdrop: Sounds interesting [11:33]  Snowdrop Short: I found an ok open upnp library the other day [11:33]  Fly Man: all they need to do is to unpack it [11:33]  Fly Man: and run it [11:33]  Snowdrop Short: combine that with a ping tool and a decent ui [11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: also the osgrid release has ossearch preinstalled [11:33] Fly Man: That way we don't have that much fuss about a ; being missed or something [11:33] Nebadon Izumi: and ready to go [11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: out of the box [11:33] Fly Man: Yes, and hopefully in March the osprofile as well [11:34] Fly Man: so you can setup Picks and Classifieds [11:34] Michelle Argus D [11:34]  Fly Man: because that's also 1 of the things that ppl would like [11:34] Fly Man: to setup Picks, Notes and Classifieds [11:34] Fly Man: the Classifieds are being shown in the Search then [11:34] Fly Man: so that's where ossearch and osprofile find each other [11:35] Snowdrop Short: one of the problems with setting up search and profile is finding out what the settings are supposed to be [11:35]  Fly Man: Snowdrop, nope ;) [11:35]  Fly Man: If you download the zip from the website [11:35]  Fly Man: you can't go wrong [11:35]  Snowdrop Short: ok, it was for me [11:35]  Fly Man: as I test that one every time before I enter the Q&A hour [11:35]  Fly Man: so I know that it works for me and will for others [11:36]  Fly Man: but Justin, why this Q ? [11:36]  Fly Man: Do you have the feeling that there's new ppl that can't get it to run ? [11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: well i have to admit i screwed up the last release [11:36]  Adam Genkii: Hey [11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: but i fixed it last night [11:37]  Nebadon Izumi: i had a major typo in the opensim.ini [11:37]  Justin Clark-Casey: Fly-Man: Well, there seems to be a little more frustration in irc recently - but that is very anecdotal [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: but i fixed it and reuploaded it [11:37]  Fly Man: Justin, I think we should see where ppl go wrong [11:37] Fly Man: or what ppl look for [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: so there could be a few bad copies floating about of the current release [11:37] Justin Clark-Casey: But I don't thik that the opensim core team is geared towards making the server useable unless you've really studied it [11:38]  Fly Man: Justin, maybe next to the Mantis a system that ppl can use [11:38] Fly Man: a FAQ, Helpers online, etc idea [11:38] Dahlia Trimble: is the setup section of the wiki up to date? [11:38] BlueWall Slade: I needed to bring up a standalone for some development work and it was very easy [11:38] sim core wonders if others noticed the link-region commands in startup.txt do not seem to work since version .8250 [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: heh i dobt it [11:38]  Fly Man: But this is the main point [11:38] Fly Man: "Core deevelopers are no helpdesk ppl" [11:38] Justin Clark-Casey: sim: Has that not turned into "link region" instead? [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think the dashes are all dropped now [11:39] Fly Man: and I have the feeling that some ppl are "angered" by that [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: except on UGAIM server [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: but simulator no more dashed commands [11:39] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: most of them are, but not all (confusingly) [11:39] Charles Krinke: What we had been doing is teaching each noe comer and then asking them to teach the next two newcomers [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: ah ok [11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: i know most are [11:39] Dahlia Trimble: I try to answer questions when I know, but I dont really remember all the subtle details of setting up a region for the first time [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: probably a few stragglers like logoff-user [11:39] Justin Clark-Casey: yep [11:39] Fly Man: Well, and as a programmer, I know the feeling [11:39] Fly Man: "Manuals, what are those ??" [11:39] Fly Man: "You'll learn when you do it" [11:40] sim core: ( When I copy paste them again, they wirk ) [11:40] Charles Krinke: Do we want to host "Office Hour" once every other week or "Q&A Hour" once every other week on a different region or grid to get some additional test data? [11:40] Fly Man: And when it then fails, ppl get angry [11:40] Justin Clark-Casey: fly: I agree that they are not 'help desk' people - I just wonder if that hasn't gone a bit too far the other way on occasion [11:40] sim core: *Work [11:40] sim core: I'll check, thank-you :-) [11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:40]  Justin Clark-Casey: sim: oh, I might be wrong then. Sorry, I don't know why that doesn't work in startup in that case [11:40]  Fly Man: Charles, yes [11:41]  Charles Krinke: I say again: What we had been doing is teaching each new comer and then asking them to teach the next two newcomers. That multiplies the effort of all of us. [11:41]  Fly Man: but that would need intensive work [11:41]  Fly Man: Each region would be able to host Q&A or Office Hours [11:41]  Snowdrop Short: I know there's been some talk about training in setting up servers on the metaversity [11:41]  Fly Man: but maybe we need to evolve 1 hour back [11:41]  sim core: Region ( Babylon 6.3.8585 Hub) # link region 9099 9099 lisat.zapto.org 9000 !!!-to-station 19:41:17 - Invalid command [11:41]  Justin Clark-Casey: charles: True, though there are periods of time when no-one (except the original developer) knows what's going on [11:41]  Fly Man: the Wiki Hour [11:41] Fly Man: as it was every Thursday [11:41] Justin Clark-Casey: and they ain't doing the teaching :D [11:42] Fly Man: and then all of a sudden it was gone ... [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya honestly wiki hour to me [11:42]  Justin Clark-Casey: sim: which opensim version are you running? [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: doesnt sound liek a fun time [11:42] Justin Clark-Casey: ha ha ha [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure id run to a "wiki hour" myself [11:42] Dahlia Trimble: sim maybe the !!! is confusing it? [11:42] Justin Clark-Casey: wiki orgy hour? [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: we need to chocolate coat that some how [11:42] Charles Krinke: Are we at the stage where we need a second "Office Hour" to favor Europe and Asia? Probably with a different set of participants? [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:43] Fly Man: Well, the point is [11:43]  Fly Man: Office Hour is Universal [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:43]  Justin Clark-Casey: charles: that sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe concentrate on something that is good for the japan/australia folks (since this is 4am to them) [11:43] Fly Man: but I would think setting up a Office Hour for parts of the World would work as well [11:43] Charles Krinke: Just tryin gto get our "thinkers" revved up. [11:43] Richardus Raymaker: the time we now use here is in european time too. [11:44] Fly Man: But then, each Office Hour would need a Schedule [11:44] Dahlia Trimble: this office hour conflicts with andrew linden's OH, and I'd like to attend his on occasion [11:44] sim core: 6.3.8585, justin :-J [11:44] Fly Man: Things we do in other Office Hours as well [11:44] Fly Man: We would need 5 Charles ;) [11:44]  sim core: It's not the !!!, it'S only since version .8250 approx :-) [11:44] Charles Krinke: We need another "zealot" [11:45] Fly Man: Well, I would take the Office Hour USA yourself Charles [11:45] Richardus Raymaker: osgird need a 19" rack full of servers :) [11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: heh we are probably pretty close to that now [11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: just spread around the country [11:45]  Fly Man: and I think Sascha and me would do the Office Hour Europe [11:45]  Charles Krinke: Richaradus. We know. But, we can only get them asmoney is available. [11:45]  Richardus Raymaker: i know... [11:45]  Dahlia Trimble: spread around the planet ;) [11:46]  Fly Man: So, who would be doing the Office Hour Asia [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: well i meant grid controlled servers [11:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: ever considered doing a donation drive (a la wikipedia?) [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: but ya i estimate the total grid hardware to be around 500-600 servers [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: as of today [11:46]  Adam Genkii: I can help with Asia  [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: Hey Adam [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: hows it going man [11:46] Adam Genkii: Hey [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: long time no see [11:47] Fly Man: How does that sound Charles ? [11:47] Adam Genkii: Tired :)  [11:47]  Charles Krinke: I would say that one or two groups should take the idea, get support (at least a little bit from at least one core developer) and run with the idea. [11:47]  Adam Genkii: How about yourself? [11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: doing good [11:47]  Charles Krinke: This whole thing should not be limited by anyone person [11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: rough morning, but we got things ironed out [11:47]  Charles Krinke: It is too Biiiiig [11:48]  Adam Genkii: Well chillken and I are in japan [11:48]  Charles Krinke: here is the football. The goal post is --> thataway [11:48]  sim core: Is there a delay that can be put tothe startup file, that way I could delay the execution? [11:48]  Adam Genkii: And I would guess 3di peeps would like a friendly time [11:48]  Nebadon Izumi turns up the volume for this video [11:48]  Justin Clark-Casey: sim: I don't think so [11:49]  Fly Man: Charles, if you can make up a list of things that we want to discuss in the Office Hour [11:49] Charles Krinke: If you hold this new "Office Hour" on OSGrid somewhere, you gain my undying support [11:49] sim core: ( I think that's why my link doesn't work, too fast before the whole server is started :-) [11:49] Fly Man: then that would make it easier :) [11:49]  Adam Genkii: Sounds good [11:49]  Justin Clark-Casey: sim: do you see link-region when you type help? [11:49]  Charles Krinke: Fly-Man, good point. Is it fair to say this could be a wiki that anyone can add/edit and we make it dynamic for all. [11:49]  sim core: Yes, I link 6 manually after [11:49]  BlueWall Slade: and if WP crashes fro some reason, you can use Metaversity Campus as a backup place to regroup [11:50]  Fly Man: Charles, maybe a subpart of the Wiki [11:50]  Fly Man: Namespace OfficeHour [11:50]  Dahlia Trimble: gotta run... bye all :) [11:50] sim core: It's just not working from the startup file, seems they execute too early for opensim :-) [11:50]  BlueWall Slade: Bye [11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: bubye dahlia [11:50]  Fly Man: That would be the fastest way [11:50]  Snowdrop Short: I've gotta run too [11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: hey [11:50]  sim core: See-you, dahlia :-) [11:50] Charles Krinke: I havent got anymore bandwidth, so someone else needs to take that mini-project on and I will follow it [11:50]  Nebadon Izumi: let me check the campus [11:50] Nebadon Izumi: hang on [11:50]  Justin Clark-Casey: bye snowdrop [11:50] Richardus Raymaker: bye snowdrop [11:50] Richardus Raymaker: testing your settings [11:50] Nebadon Izumi: looks ok Snow [11:50] Fly Man: If someone can setup the Namespace OfficeHour [11:50] Nebadon Izumi: running 45 minutes only [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: let me know if you have trouble [11:51] Fly Man: then we could use that as the sarting point [11:51] Fly Man: starting* [11:51] sim core: Bye, snow :-) [11:51]  Charles Krinke: anyone can setup a namespace by creating a page. [11:51]  Fly Man: Uhm, a namespace is different from a page ;) [11:51] Charles Krinke: break, gimme. I have no additional time fo ranother project right now. [11:52] Charles Krinke: :) [11:52]  Fly Man: K, Charles, can you make a list of the things a Office Hour should have ? [11:52]  Justin Clark-Casey: doughnuts and coffee [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe i see alot of bouncy people when they stand [11:52]  Charles Krinke: but I will support others movin gforward. [11:52]  Fly Man: *lol* [11:52]  Justin Clark-Casey: I bet bluewall feels sick now [11:53]  BlueWall Slade: weeeee [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: oh my [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: we are using almost 3gb ram [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: on this region [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: rofl [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ooouwch [11:53]  Adam Genkii: Mmmmm [11:53]  BlueWall Slade: heading to Metaversity Campus [11:53]  BlueWall Slade: see you all later :) [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: alrighty Blue [11:53] MysticFire Xanadu: bye Blue [11:53] Charles Krinke: We are probably abou tto float off to never-never land [11:53] sim core: Anyhow, great job on the latest updates, hypergrid is becomming more stable now :-) [11:53]  Richardus Raymaker: bye blue [11:53]  Charles Krinke: Thats great, sim core. [11:53]  sim core: See-you, blue [11:53]  Richardus Raymaker: cool news simcore [11:53]  sacha Magne: sorry guyz, i can't move [11:53]  BlueWall Slade crosrosses his fingers [11:54]  Charles Krinke: I would encourage m ore HyperGrid pages on the wiki [11:54]  sim core: Hehe [11:54]  t an: yah moving here now is pretty 'interesting' [11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe ya its swapping ram [11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: its game over here [11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: pretty much [11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: well, it's nearly 2000 UTC anyway [11:54]  Fly Man: and a simple Q: [11:54]  Charles Krinke: Ok. back to IRC, methinks. [11:55]  Fly Man: Where are the Lindens ? [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: nice though [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: amazing we even had this meeting [11:55] Fly Man: I haven't seen one for the last weeks ? [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: bravo [11:55] sim core: That would be something, being able to clear unused reserved memory, I see a lot of it and it accumulates but never recedes when not needed :-) [11:55]  Charles Krinke: selling MMOX to Prok, Gareth and Fortrerra [11:55]  experaments experaments: hi  [11:55]  Justin Clark-Casey: We're holding on to references again somewhere - really difficult to pin that down - need more code discipline :( [11:55] t an: is there some #opensim-meeting channel you are gona continue on, or just on #opensim or -dev or what? [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: ya if we can get a grip on memory usage we might just have something here [11:55] Nebadon Izumi: :) [11:56]  Fly Man: Nebadon, Profiling ;) [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: this meeting only lasts an hour anyway, t [11:56]  t an: yah i was gonna mention profiling too [11:56] Fly Man: but still .. only 2 people gave their profiling [11:56] Strawberry Fride: so no-one else is having these issues with jpeg problems? [11:56] Charles Krinke: gotta go. thanks all. [11:56] Fly Man: so i;m on 5 now [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: well, the profiling tools people have tried puke all over their shoes very quickly after OpenSim starts up [11:56]  Strawberry Fride: guessing we gotta do more tests, Ruud :) [11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: i have not seen any issues yet Strawberry [11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: somehow they can't cope [11:56]  t an: :/ [11:56]  Strawberry Fride: I got indexoutofbounds exceptions [11:56]  t an: call microsoft and complain [11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: strawberry: what kind of problems, exactly? [11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:57]  Strawberry Fride: avatars were all cloudy [11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: strawberry: what kind of exceptions? [11:57]  Strawberry Fride: with a couple of exceptions [11:57]  t an: say you switch to java unless you can profile mem usage [11:57]  Justin Clark-Casey: it is possible to turn that module off btw [11:57]  Fly Man: Strawberry, what are the regions [11:57] Strawberry Fride: indexoutofbounds with the jpeg libraries [11:57] Strawberry Fride: 0.6.3 [11:57] Nebadon Izumi: hmm [11:57] Strawberry Fride: post fixes [11:57] Nebadon Izumi: 64 bit? [11:57] Fly Man: because sometimes this is a thing from "lower then 8542" [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: although don't ask me how. It can be made to revert to sending down full textures [11:57] Strawberry Fride: yes [11:57] Nebadon Izumi: maybe it needs to be recompiled [11:57] Nebadon Izumi: i bet thats why [11:57] Strawberry Fride: I did fresh checkout [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: Strawberry: sounds like it's worth a mantis so that Teravus can see it [11:57]  Strawberry Fride: all sim servers [11:58] Strawberry Fride: yeah - thought it might be [11:58]  Strawberry Fride: afternoon been so hectic not had time to gather my logs together [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: ya i bet you need to recompile openjpg [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: that sounds like a conversion issue [11:58] sim core: I had cloudy avatar problems pre.8270 version, not anymore :-) [11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: that makes sense sim core [11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: 8544 si the cut off [11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: 8270 would be very bad on this grid right now