Chat log from the meeting on 2019-10-01

[10:59] Kayaker Magic: Gavin, I seem to have overloaded my region on my Raspberry Pi. [10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: have you? [10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-) [10:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how? [10:59] Kayaker Magic: It stated spitting "out of memory" errors from scripts, [11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you pull the plug? [11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: reboot? [11:00] Kayaker Magic: when I restarted it, those scripts say their state is missing. [11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: check the printer^ [11:00] Kayaker Magic: "unable to load script state file" [11:01] Kayaker Magic: Just happened 10 minutes ago, no time to check things out. [11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: just delete the ScriptEngines folder and let it recompile them again [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: unless something happened to the file system of course [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did the machine crash? [11:02] Kayaker Magic: I've been adding prims, scripted items, thousands of trees, a ski-lift, toboggans, FPS was still good. [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good [11:02] Kayaker Magic: System still up, restarted mono OpenSim [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are you running off of the sd card? [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, but it is only a few weeks old! [11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have it on a USB stick [11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: opensim will probalby exhaust the number of writes on an sd card in a very short time [11:03] Kayaker Magic: Thinking of moving DB and cache to a usb spinning drive. [11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: dou you have the db on the sd card? [11:04] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, it was all I had at first. [11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have the db on a database server not running on a PI [11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am testing a patch LL made to keep the avatar in a cloud state a bit longer till it was fully loaded [11:06] Ubit Umarov: ive clouds off :) [11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: for some of you it works ok, 3 of you are not declouded [11:07] Royale.Mobian @grid.mobiusgrid.us:8002: oh? [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Leighton, Royale, Selby and Kajaker [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: are in a cloud [11:08] Ubit Umarov: well i do see those fine [11:08] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: I see no clouds except in he sky [11:08] Kayaker Magic: I see everyone fine., but did a rebake [11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, but you don't have that patch that is 4 hours old ;-) [11:08] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: LOL [11:08] Ubit Umarov: sure with clouds off i need to look for missing parts :) [11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Royale cleared up [11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Kayaker too [11:09] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: I see everyone ok I was missing a few things when I arrive but fixed with a rebake [11:09] Ubit Umarov: selby still loves lauren [11:09] Sheera Khan: I can see him just fine [11:09] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I rebaked [11:10] Sheera Khan: even including his textures [11:10] Ubit Umarov: but well HG, always well.. HG [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: probably not going to take that patch [11:11] Ubit Umarov: its spec should had been a lot less ambitious [11:11] Ubit Umarov: somethings just can't be done [11:11] Ubit Umarov: or are unpractical [11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: right [11:12] Sheera Khan sprinkles a bit of fairy dust over Selby to make him appear to Ubit ;-) [11:12] Ubit Umarov: ahh remember me to kick metro in yr im sheera.Khan [11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: is Selby fogged for all of you? [11:12] Ubit Umarov: sleby is fine for me [11:12] Kayaker Magic: Ooooh! Where can I get some of that fairy dust? [11:13] Kayaker Magic: No, Selby has been fine all along. [11:13] Ubit Umarov: everyone looks fine [11:13] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: I see all fine [11:13] Ubit Umarov: well selby just rebaked :) [11:14] Ubit Umarov: and again ? [11:14] Ubit Umarov: lol [11:14] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Did another rebake [11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: leighton came out of the fog [11:14] Ubit Umarov: mb just "lag" for you [11:15] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: phew [11:16] Ubit Umarov: hmm andrew's cat seems afk [11:17] Ubit Umarov: well you may had seen that FS did released a new version [11:17] Ubit Umarov: SL only [11:18] Ubit Umarov: no AS IS thing... [11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't even have any wearables to test it on in SL [11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and most certainly not going to buy some [11:20] Ubit Umarov: buy a S something body :p [11:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have not purachsed any wearables in SL since 2011 [11:21] Ubit Umarov: well having 2 diferent releases, is nothing new.. it is a must, just so far they where able to do it at same time [11:22] Ubit Umarov: they had to release a BoM version fast, many SL creators did release BoM products as soon LL released their viewer [11:23] Ubit Umarov: and since they have no opensim dev.. well you know the movie.. [11:24] Ubit Umarov: guess all viewers should have 2 versions also [11:25] Ubit Umarov: at least so they use Havok mesh tools at SL [11:25] Ubit Umarov: ( and payed kdu ) [11:25] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only FS has access to Havok tools in SL [11:26] Ubit Umarov: think FS payed for KDU lic so they can use it on opensim also [11:26] Royale.Mobian @grid.mobiusgrid.us:8002: Alchemy disables access to havok tools if the platform is not SL [11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: possibly [11:26] Ubit Umarov: oh? tpvs can't use havok for SL ? [11:26] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: only FS for some reason [11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but they are more or less a dept of LL these days [11:28] Ubit Umarov: well thats the "update" i have on the FS issue [11:28] Ubit Umarov: opensim version is 6.0.2 [11:29] Kayaker Magic: Is 6.0.2 safe to use? [11:29] Ubit Umarov: as one can tell about any viewer :) [11:29] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have an updated version of Dayturn out. [11:30] Ubit Umarov: nice [11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there was a bit of a mess for a day or two as too much cacheing all around made it look like it fetched data as it should [11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: reverted some http code, and it is now OK [11:35] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: is Firestorm 6.0.2 the last version for Opensim [11:35] Ubit Umarov: yes [11:36] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: I mean the last release we will get [11:36] Ubit Umarov: not according to them [11:37] Ubit Umarov: they do plan to support opensim [11:37] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: The way I read it was it was going to be difficult without an Opensim viewer developer. [11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: subject to developer availability? [11:37] Ubit Umarov: keep reaffirm that on all statements [11:38] Ubit Umarov: well having a dev is a requirement [11:38] Ubit Umarov: at least one able to look to other viewers and get patchs [11:40] Ubit Umarov: for example that Liru one for llupd estate new tabs [11:40] Ubit Umarov: you seen it ? [11:40] Leighton.Marjoram @grid.outandproud.life:8002: No [11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no [11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: last time I tried it just got completely stuck [11:41] Ubit Umarov: well she did bridge old lludp with the new code for those tabs [11:41] Ubit Umarov: master should do the new cap... [11:42] Ubit Umarov: as far we can tell with Bills openstorm, it is doing it [11:42] Ubit Umarov: ( warning again, OpenStorm is only for regions on master version also ) [11:44] Ubit Umarov: about new code.. wel lthink i done nothing since last week :( [11:45] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even you need a break ;-) [11:47] Ubit Umarov: so you ppl? [11:47] Ubit Umarov: any issue? [11:48] Ubit Umarov: hmm looking to selby... [11:48] Ubit Umarov: for some reason seems LMs made at kitely don't work here [11:49] Ubit Umarov: sounds like they are blocking landmarks assets from getting out [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that makes sense [11:49] Ubit Umarov: had planed to go to their meetings to chat with ilan, but missed it [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: tbh I have more or less given up on Kitely [11:49] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Will test -- have some [11:49] Ubit Umarov: possible only new ones [11:50] Ubit Umarov: dunno [11:50] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: they seem to work with kitely accounts [11:50] Bill.Blight @hg.osgrid.org: just HG travellers they don't work [11:50] Ubit Umarov: yes seems they work with local accounts :) [11:50] Ubit Umarov: there went selby [11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: he declouded [11:51] Ubit Umarov: no he did tp out LOL [11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-) [11:51] Ubit Umarov: but dec on standing? [11:56] Ubit Umarov: about other viwers.. dayturn, we have gavin here [11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: worked for me [11:56] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ok [11:56] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yes, what about it [11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: from here [11:56] Ubit Umarov: alchemy, cinder was looking to our mail lists and did reacted.. telling there mb a new release... [11:57] Ubit Umarov: singu.. liru seems active, no idea about releases.. [11:57] Ubit Umarov: other.. i don't know [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have not tested Cool VL for a while [11:57] Ubit Umarov: see a few claiming BoM .. carefull with those [11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so if I take the new FS for SL and log in with it, the region will crash? [12:00] Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: does it even have a grid selector? [12:00] Ubit Umarov: not this one :p [12:00] Ubit Umarov: better not mess with their release [12:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it should be able to go to an address if started from the command line [12:01] Ubit Umarov: test with openstorm [12:01] Sheera.Khan @hypergrid.org:8002: wasn't that command line option pulled years ago? [12:01] Ubit Umarov: yeah but we have no idea of the all the defines they used on that SL only build [12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no, it should be there [12:01] Ubit Umarov: so better not mess with that [12:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe not for the release build, but if you had a debug build [12:02] Bill Blight: my test version is only 3 commits or so behind their release, and they are commits that should not affect opensim [12:03] Ubit Umarov: well they made a compile for me [12:03] Ubit Umarov: but forgot to create a account for me to get into that machine to download it :p [12:04] Ubit Umarov: a build i mean [12:05] Ubit Umarov: but at this point even i can compile it .. just no audio bc im lazy to get the lib [12:06] Bill Blight: https://downloads.openstormviewer.org/ [12:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: where is the macOS build? ;-) [12:07] Ubit Umarov: (warning 2.. that may also have crazy Bill's testing changes :p ) [12:08] Bill Blight: no, not too crazy [12:08] Ubit Umarov: 64km size prims.. duhhh [12:08] Bill Blight: but does have build constraints disabled [12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not good Ubit [12:09] Bill Blight: NO only 1024 [12:09] Bill Blight: not 64k [12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you change it back? [12:09] Bill Blight: "This project is curently only for testing and deveopment purposes, and not intended for public/general distribution! Support: NONE Crashes: Most LIkely Weirdness: Definitely Alien Invasion: Could Happen! Crash System: See above Require Exorcism: Run Away! In all seriousness, this is not ready for primetime. This is a fork of the Firestorm Development code, and not really inteded to be released. Serious Testers only." [12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was 64k at some point [12:09] Bill Blight: yeah it was [12:09] Bill Blight: I changed it back [12:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: good [12:09] Ubit Umarov: :) [12:11] Bill Blight: I did change the max build height from 4096 to 8192 .. Better better out of sight build platforms [12:12] Ubit Umarov: remember the precision issues [12:12] Ubit Umarov: also on vars X and Y [12:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: exactly [12:12] Ubit Umarov: and thankx [12:12] Bill Blight: yeah, so far in testing nothing major, anything over 8192 was hella unpredictable [12:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if you need a build platform, spawn a new region [12:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is not like you have to pay $300 per month.... [12:13] Ubit Umarov: yeap sandbox are a SL tiny parcels thing [12:13] Ubit Umarov: well can be usefull for intermediate tps etc.. [12:14] Ubit Umarov: arrival locations [12:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: wear a parachute or hanglider, tp to a height and fly back down [12:14] Bill Blight: yep [12:14] Ubit Umarov: but 2km guess its enough [12:15] Ubit Umarov: the way math is done, some things may survive.. [12:15] Ubit Umarov: but was never a consideration on opensim, at least [12:16] Ubit Umarov: AND we WILL NOT CHANGE TO DOUBLE :p [12:16] Bill Blight: Nothing to say but to test it, if it works, no reason to not leave it at that .. but as I said, when I got much above 8192 it got weird in a hurry [12:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: even the IBM 1401 had double [12:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have seen it run FORTRAN [12:17] Ubit Umarov: we are not a science simulator [12:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the IBM 1401 was a business mainframe from 1959 [12:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: with 16k word memory [12:18] Ubit Umarov: :) [12:18] Ubit Umarov: but float are the thing to use [12:18] Ubit Umarov: or single [12:18] Ubit Umarov: SIMD now does have double also.. but yeackkk [12:19] Ubit Umarov: no idea about gpus do they have double? [12:20] Ubit Umarov: anyways most libs dont even support double, or do it in a limited way [12:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFQ3sajIdaM