Chat log from the meeting on 2020-02-04

[11:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: like the dems in Iowa

[11:00] Telehub: Welcome back to, Dev Outreach, Andrew Hellershanks.


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[11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I wonder what coding idiot produced that mess - if it is even a coding error

[11:01] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone

[11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Selby

[11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.

[11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew

[11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: What coding mess, Gavin?

[11:01] Ubit Umarov: try stand now k

[11:01] Ubit Umarov: hi Selby

[11:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that app the dems used for voting reporting in Iowa that totally failed

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: stand up kayaker

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: you 2 selby.Evans

[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ...and that is an order!

[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: :-)

[11:02] Ubit Umarov: cool

[11:03] Ubit Umarov: can sit now .)

[11:03] Ubit Umarov: i did add the osSetStandTarget(<-0.7,0,0>); to yr sits

[11:03] Kayaker Magic: THe unsit problem is fixed!!!

[11:03] Ubit Umarov: no more bar dancing :)

[11:04] Ubit Umarov: well its the new ossl i told last week

[11:04] Ubit Umarov: i think

[11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you did

[11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: My chair hasn't been fixed. I still wind up standing on the bar.

[11:04] Ubit Umarov: you dance on bar andrew

[11:05] Kayaker Magic: So Bill's auto-build for this region is working, and this is the latest and greatest build?

[11:05] Ubit Umarov: want left or right?

[11:05] Ubit Umarov: yes it is on last commit

[11:05] Ubit Umarov: andrew left or right?

[11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: That could be funny. Stand up from a chair and trigger a dance animation so the avatar winds up dancing on the bar. ;)

[11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: right

[11:06] Ubit Umarov: ok try now

[11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Not that it matters. Just so as I'm not on top of the bar on stand.

[11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: That's a lot better. ty, Ubit.

[11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: It is a small(?) change but it is one of those changes that people notice.

[11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: true

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: well jump and dance was jsut last script.. just adding a dance anim command

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: yeah not that complex code

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: just more things to store on db blabla

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: well see the commits :p

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: but it is a important complement to sittarget

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: no idea ll never did add it

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: well or us

[11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Probably wasn't seen that important vs other changes that were needed.

[11:10] Ubit Umarov: or thing think push is enough

[11:10] Ubit Umarov: or tehy

[11:10] Ubit Umarov: or they

[11:10] Andrew Hellershanks nods

[11:12] Kayaker Magic: I've been out of town for two weeks, so no time to generate questions for this meeting.

[11:12] Ubit Umarov: good

[11:12] Ubit Umarov: hihihi

[11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, You need to save up a few questions for those occasions when you go away for a bit.

[11:13] Kayaker Magic: Hmm, good idea

[11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: There have been a few other interesting changes to the code this past week.

[11:19] Kayaker Magic: Who's going to tell me what the changes were?

[11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, would you provide some additional info about the change to volume detection?

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: there wasn't a change really

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: just i had forgot that the ossl one is a bit of hack on child prims

[11:22] Ubit Umarov: needs to be called on rez, link changes or physics state changes

[11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: ok.

[11:23] Ubit Umarov: but works even on physical prims

[11:23] Ubit Umarov: see walls ( root prim ) solid

[11:23] Ubit Umarov: water is a volume detector and child prims

[11:24] Total Sorbet: hi

[11:24] Ubit Umarov: see total washing her feet?

[11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Total.

[11:24] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Ho Total

[11:24] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi

[11:24] Total Sorbet: yup stinky feet need wash

[11:24] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you're getting your feet wet there

[11:24] Total Sorbet: prob good idea changing socks too :)

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: total that is a child prim thatis volume detector also

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: well not new i added this ages ago

[11:25] Total Sorbet: really?

[11:25] Total Sorbet: so only child phantom?

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: just since it is a bit of hack, i updated the wiki telling that

[11:26] Total Sorbet: linked object.. only child with llvolumethingy phantom?

[11:26] Ubit Umarov: osvolumeDetect

[11:27] Total Sorbet: i sense a yes there :p

[11:27] Total Sorbet: if thats the case then this rocks!

[11:27] Total Sorbet: can def use that

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OsVolumeDetect

[11:27] Total Sorbet: big time

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: bahh this scripters never rtfm :p

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: ok next topic andrew

[11:28] Total Sorbet: lol

[11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: :)

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: ( we spoke about the stand thing also total )

[11:28] Total Sorbet: we did

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: ( sit on the chair at bad close to you )

[11:29] Total Sorbet: jupiter only tho :)

[11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Some of the other changes this week were some code clean up related to the build process.

[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: There are two commits re: SQLite support for those who are using that instead of MySQL or PGsql as the database engine.

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: bar strip dance.. yeahh

[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Here comes Bill.

[11:31] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the postgres one does not work

[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Bill.

[11:31] Bill Blight waves

[11:31] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Bill

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: ( stand now total )

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: hi bill

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: good to see u back Bill

[11:32] Bill Blight: ugg only about 25% here but here

[11:32] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Bill

[11:33] Bill Blight: Howdy Selby

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: well more topics?

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: i did allow volume detector to fill linknumber

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: so lldetectedlinknumber does return the DETECTOR prim link number

[11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: The one database migration needs to get mentioned in the change notes for master. That's all I have for topics. Anyone else have some questions or comments?

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: unline sl that returns 0

[11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the postgres migration does not work

[11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so I have added a comment on the commit to fix it

[11:35] Ubit Umarov: note that the funtion name is bad.. it is the detector not detected ( same on touch )

[11:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is no use of musing MySQL syntax for postgres

[11:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it does not work

[11:35] Ubit Umarov: hmm only looked to the sqlite one

[11:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: using even

[11:35] Ubit Umarov: that was bad also

[11:36] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: also the code does not work, but I have not had time for other issues to figure it out yet

[11:36] Ubit Umarov: hmm you said you where going to make a patch no?

[11:36] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is a comment on the migration commit you can use to fix it

[11:36] Ubit Umarov: i can't test that

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: yeah but you said there where more things

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: so i waited

[11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and I said I have not had the time for other issues to figure it out yet :-)

[11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: lots of viewer stuff going on at the moment

[11:37] Ubit Umarov: ll will release eep? or profiles first ?

[11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: profiles

[11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they can't get eep to work

[11:38] Ubit Umarov: no idea what that will break for us

[11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: patches and reverts

[11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: patches and reverts

[11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I managed to get the Mac viewer notarized by Apple

[11:39] Ubit Umarov: well i have sl eep viewer.. kinda works

[11:39] Ubit Umarov: my code on it is now a total mess grr

[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the main viewer respositories have been converted to git and the viewer build on git

[11:39] Ubit Umarov: well and i forgot how it is.. long since i don't touch it :)

[11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: all the libs are still on Mercurial

[11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so they need to be converted too before Bitbucket deletes them

[11:40] Ubit Umarov: ( btw we have a brexiter here tonight )

[11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: ( is that still going on? )

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: just started actually andrew

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: all the hard part is just starting

[11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Brexit?

[11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: Some people in Britain wanting to separate from the EU.

[11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: now all the fun starts with Brexit :-)

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: Spain my invade gilbraltar :)

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: may

[11:42] Total Sorbet sits here in absolute silence....... :p

[11:42] Bill Blight: Okies well, I gave it a try gonna go lay back down ...

[11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: Not feeling well, Bill?

[11:42] Ubit Umarov: bet they will not accept a border on what they consider their territory

[11:42] Ubit Umarov: errr but back to opensim

[11:42] Bill Blight: I had a quadruple bypass 10 days ago

[11:42] Ubit Umarov: andrew.. next topic ?

[11:43] Ubit Umarov: yeack

[11:43] Total Sorbet: oh! bill take good care and rest plenty

[11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ouch, but you will be fine. I had a single 3 yars ago

[11:43] Ubit Umarov: yeap rest well bill

[11:43] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I had a quad bypass 20 years ago

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Bill, ok. yea, that will knock the stuffing out of you for a while. Hope you feel better soon.

[11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: sleep a lot and take all the pin killers they can give you

[11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: pain*

[11:43] Bill Blight waves and poofs

[11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Bill.

[11:44] Total Sorbet: poor sausage

[11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Any other questions or comments for today?

[11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see anyone typing anything. If there is nothing more for today we can call this meeting to a close.

[11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Last chance for today if anyone has anything more.

[11:47] Ubit Umarov: :)

[11:47] Ubit Umarov: still 15min to burn

[11:47] Andrew Hellershanks nods

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: so IMA did release scenegate selby ?

[11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Some meeting ran long. A short one now and then helps even out the meeting durations. ;)

[11:48] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: SceneGate is out of Beta

[11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, yes. I forgot there was a Scenegate release this past week. I downloaded the Linux version but I haven't had a chance to test it.

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: mb you cna paste the url here

[11:48] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: And have a Linux version

[11:48] Ubit Umarov: for the log :)

[11:49] Ubit Umarov: hmm you already did update the urls for dayt no gavin?

[11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: update the urls?

[11:49] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: http://infinitemetaverse.com/news-and-events/ima-blog/84-ima-scenegate-viewer-release-1-0-0-for-linux-and-windows

[11:50] Ubit Umarov: pasted there the last bugs..

[11:50] Ubit Umarov: here i mean

[11:50] Ubit Umarov: hmm we have a viewers section on our site andrew ?

[11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't get you Ubit

[11:50] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Scenegate link.

[11:50] Ubit Umarov: ty sleby

[11:50] Ubit Umarov: and selby.Evans

[11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, yes. There is a compatible viewers page at opensimulator.org -> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Compatible_Viewers

[11:51] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Has 64 and 32 bit, but 32 bit loading is untested

[11:52] Ubit Umarov: oh we need to update that

[11:52] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: All the Dayturn downloads are in https://www.dayturn.com/viewer/index.php?resources/

[11:52] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there is a new forum post with the links to the git repos at https://www.dayturn.com/viewer/index.php?threads/repository-git-conversions.218/

[11:53] Ubit Umarov: ok andrew will update out wiki also

[11:53] Ubit Umarov hides

[11:53] Ubit Umarov: (our)

[11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: The Scenegate downloads page is at https://downloads.infinitemetaverse.org/index.php/downloads

[11:53] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: We an looking for someone who has 32 bit to test the loader -- It is supposed to detect that condition and make the right choice automatically

[11:54] Ubit Umarov: we can't force win to run something in 32bit?

[11:54] Ubit Umarov: linux is harder

[11:54] Ubit Umarov: macs.. no idea

[11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: But no public repository for Scenegat yet?

[11:54] Ubit Umarov: it is public now

[11:54] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: We are alos looking for someone to work with Mac.

[11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: I may have to leave a number of ? in the table near the bottom of the viewer page at os.org as I don't know much about it.

[11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC, I can't run the Linux version because of a missing couple of library files.

[11:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what is the link to the repository Selby?

[11:55] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I'll have a look if it is even poosible to compile it on macOS

[11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Testing the loader is a problem

[11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: http://infinitemetaverse.com/news-and-events/ima-blog/84-ima-scenegate-viewer-release-1-0-0-for-linux-and-windows

[11:56] Ubit Umarov: gavin is a macs lover :)

[11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: should be there.

[11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: Yup. For Linux (on my machine) there are two missing library files: libGLOD.so and libopenjpeg.so.1

[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I don't see any links to the repository

[11:57] Ubit Umarov: https://bitbucket.org/imadevelopmentteam/scenegate-viewer/src/SceneGate/

[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Gavin only owns Macs

[11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it is a share wonder I make a Windows version at all

[11:58] Ubit Umarov: we need to click on a few things to get there

[11:58] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Thanks Ubit

[11:58] Ubit Umarov: possible the link sould be on that main page Selby.Evans

[11:58] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Thanks Ubit, Gavin

[11:59] Ubit Umarov: since lgpl imposes avaiable sources, better just have then easy to find

[11:59] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Right Ubit _-- I will ask

[12:00] Ubit Umarov: see andrew 15minutes well used :)

[12:00] Andrew Hellershanks nods

[12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: :)

[12:00] Ubit Umarov: btw have no news on fs

[12:00] Ubit Umarov: seems most ready

[12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't checked the Scenegate site to determine if it says what version of Linux is required to run the viewer.

[12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: they did not say anything at the last TPV dev meeting

[12:01] Ubit Umarov: i did ask for some changes like 1024m on object scale on edits

[12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm still waiting to see if there will be an FS 6.2 for Linux.

[12:01] Ubit Umarov: 7.96 m on particles..

[12:01] Ubit Umarov: and a few more opensim things

[12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I only noticed LL pushed another set of changes yesterday that makes the LL viewer even more identical to the FS viewer

[12:01] Ubit Umarov: no idea if those will get on next release

[12:02] Kayaker Magic: Isn't the 7.96 m on particles a limitation on the protocol?

[12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: 7.96m for the max size of a particle?

[12:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: this is only a speculation, but I guess the FS viewer will be merged into the SL viewer entirely

[12:02] Ubit Umarov: ( i did ask that to gavin i guess... at least the scale i remember )

[12:02] Ubit Umarov: its 7.96 and not 8m because of protocoal

[12:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: some rounding issue above that value perhaps

[12:03] Ubit Umarov: ( 8m would be encoded as 0.. we could work around that.. but no point )

[12:04] Total Sorbet: tc folks gotta run

[12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: If that is a change to the max size of particles I'll have to update my particle generator script.

[12:04] Ubit Umarov: protocol uses fixed point float.. don't remember the bits distribution :)

[12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Total. Thanks for dropping by.

[12:04] Ubit Umarov: i push her for her to wash feet :p

[12:05] Ubit Umarov: well she plays with scripts also and we where on chat

[12:05] Ubit Umarov: fixed point float. ?? gezzz fixed point number :)

[12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Use BCD and avoid all that nonsense. ;)

[12:06] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Must go -- bye all

[12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, Selby. tc.

[12:06] Ubit Umarov: cya selby.Evans

[12:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Bye Selby

[12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm just about to wrap up this meeting for today.

[12:06] Ubit Umarov: :)

[12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Any final comments for today?

[12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. That will do it for the first meeting of February.

[12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.