Chat log from the meeting on 2009-03-10

[10:00] Nebadon Izumi: hey [10:00] BlueWall Slade: Hello! [10:01] BlueWall Slade: hehe, that was close [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: hehhe [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: ya this is a weekly occurance [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: always on the brink of canceling the meeting [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: lool [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: but nice though [10:01] Nebadon Izumi: glad its back up [10:02]  BlueWall Slade: yeah [10:02] Nebadon Izumi: we definatly need to figure out whats wrong with this box [10:02] Teravus Ousley: are we early or on time? (did England modify daylight savings time also? or is it just the US? [10:02] Nebadon Izumi: oh crap [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: is that today [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont even know [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:02]  Teravus Ousley: It was Sunday [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: we dont do PST [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: DST i mean [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: ah crap your right [10:02]  BlueWall Slade: lol [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe but no [10:02]  Nebadon Izumi: it starts now [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but ya we might have to adjust the times [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: we normally go back to Noon [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but i dunno [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: where are you teravus [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont see you [10:03]  Teravus Ousley: I'm by the CowBell picture [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: ah ya [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: there ya are [10:03]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:04]  BlueWall Slade: lol [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: oh [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: did someone fix the Squat slide? [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: guess so [10:04]  Teravus Ousley: I did :) [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: nice [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: man i missed a lot [10:04]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:05]  BlueWall Slade: wtg [10:05]  Teravus Ousley: ty [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: actually Bluewall [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: your idea [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: with mysql on another box [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: im going to talk to adam [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: about using the deepgrid box [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: just for that [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: its in the same datacenter [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: as all the plaza boxes [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: its at Complex Drive [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: Cari [10:07]  BlueWall Slade: would they add a separate net for it? [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: they are in the same rack [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: i think [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: or close by anyway [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: on 100mb net [10:07]  Nebadon Izumi: it would be plenty fast [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: we should atleast test it [10:08]  Nebadon Izumi: we can do that without talking to adam [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: lets setup a 24 hour test with WP [10:08]  BlueWall Slade: I did that here at home, and it worked great on my local grid [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: where the SQL is on nitrogen [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: and the simulator runs on the other box [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: ive actually done that here [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: i had the Movie Theatre [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: running here at my house [10:08] BlueWall Slade: yeah [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: but storing on the Cari box [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: mysql [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: and it wasnt too bad [10:08] BlueWall Slade: cool [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: but i never got to put a load on it [10:09]  Nebadon Izumi: just me alone though it was fine [10:09] BlueWall Slade: that's a long jump [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:09]  Nebadon Izumi: 500+ miles [10:09] BlueWall Slade: should be ok in the same datacenter [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: actually no its about 400 [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: but still [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: its quite a jump [10:09] Nebadon Izumi: and only 3mb net [10:09] BlueWall Slade: same rack with a private link would rock [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya its not private net [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: but [10:10] BlueWall Slade: heee - I've seen that before [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: it is same rack [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: same room anyway [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: which should be enough [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: for what we are doing [10:10] BlueWall Slade: yes [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: not like its UGAIM level [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: heh [10:10] Nebadon Izumi: i wonder if anyone is coming [10:11] Nebadon Izumi: damn DST [10:11] BlueWall Slade: the smart people are here [10:11] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:12] Teravus Ousley: I suspect that they do know about it.. and know that England hasn't [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:12]  Nebadon Izumi: we can run long today [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: we should get atleats 2 hours before total crash and burn [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:12] Teravus Ousley: .. and since UTC.. is there.. the office hour is in ~45 minutes [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:12]  Nebadon Izumi: damn it [10:12]  Nebadon Izumi: ok no problem [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: good thing we scrambled Blue [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:13] BlueWall Slade: yeah, lol [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: were all in panic [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: cause the sim wouldnt start [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:14] BlueWall Slade: Teravus, that animation thing is interesting [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: heh nice pic [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: whatever happend to that sim Ter? [10:14] Teravus Ousley: animation? [10:15] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.3.8732  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: Hello Orion [10:15] BlueWall Slade: your bvh reader/writer [10:15] Teravus Ousley: ah.. duh [10:15] BlueWall Slade: or was I dreaming? [10:15] Teravus Ousley: cool. Yes.. it should be useful for some stuff I have to come. [10:15] Orion Hax: o/ [10:15]  BlueWall Slade: you could make qavimator in opensim [10:15] BlueWall Slade: hehe [10:15] Teravus Ousley: sim? [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: someone has in SL [10:16]  Nebadon Izumi: didnt they [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: the picture board [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: isnt that your sim [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: the purply sky [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: i took that pic i know [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: swore it was your sim [10:16] Teravus Ousley: yes, that is my Sim [10:16] BlueWall Slade: there is the Mannequin [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: is that still running? [10:16] Teravus Ousley: not on OSGrid. [10:16] Teravus Ousley: I could turn it back on. [10:16] Nebadon Izumi: ah [10:17]  Teravus Ousley: .. but I wanted to keep it at one sim for now. [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: ya do what ya gotta [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: hehe i was just wondering [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: hello norse [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: the meeting will be off a bit today everyone [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: USA's DST [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: has thrown monkey wrench once again [10:18] paulie Flomar: Silleh DST. [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: it might run long today [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: and we'll have alot of folks showing up late [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: who probably think they are early [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: anyone have any experiences i missed while i was out of pocket? [10:20] Orion Hax: CENSOR dst [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:20] paulie Flomar: Ha sanyone here tried voxli.com? It's a free, web-based, no sign-up, group voice chat for up to 200 peeps. [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: ya everyone needs to move to Arizona [10:20] BlueWall Slade: well, we got the sim running with 3 minutes to spare [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: where we dont celebrate DST [10:20] BlueWall Slade: + 1 hour [10:20] BlueWall Slade: lol [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: i was reading a study the other day [10:21] paulie Flomar: neb: I was happy to move OUT of AZ. But I agree that DST is a terrible idea that needs to die. [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: saying how DST could be the cause of 100's of heart attacks every year [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: people's sleep gets messed up [10:21]  BlueWall Slade: I read that too [10:21] paulie Flomar: it's late for the sky, DST [10:21] BlueWall Slade: but I thing SL/OpenSim mivght play a part in that too [10:22] paulie Flomar: a web-connected world has no use for DST, eh. [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: ya everyone just needs to lock themselvs in a dark room [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: and go virtual [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:22] paulie Flomar: :) [10:22]  Orion Hax: i have no use for time as there is never enough of it [10:22]  paulie Flomar: yep. [10:23]  paulie Flomar: nice scene vids, neb. [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: thanks [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: ive been dumping them again to Youtube [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: in HD [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: 1280x720p format [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: but we cant stream those into OpenSIM just yet [10:23]  Nebadon Izumi: they come in at the lower quality [10:23]  paulie Flomar: from youtubes? [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: they offer HD streaming now [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: 1280x720p format [10:24]  Gaspar Roux: Still nice tho ! [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: but its to harsh for opensim or SL [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: so it omes in at 720x480 [10:24]  Orion Hax: fyi after the meeting today im stress testing a sim hosted on EC2 i would appriciate vollenteers [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: ok Orion no problem [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: i'll be there [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: just remind us again towards end of meeting [10:24] Orion Hax: yup [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: i could put 10 bots in your sim too [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: plus 2 avatars [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: just me [10:25]  Nebadon Izumi: thats enough to destroy this region in about 1 hour [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:25] Orion Hax: i need actuall clients to test bandwith restrictions [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: pcampbot does that now [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: its very harsh [10:25] paulie Flomar: I have a group chat started at https://voxli.com/wright if anyone wants to say hi. :) [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: nice Paulie [10:25]  Nebadon Izumi: i dont have mic on this machine [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: or i would [10:26]  paulie Flomar: no worries [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: i need to keep my other mic open [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: its my phone [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: Is this the pre-meeting? [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: ya time change [10:26]  paulie Flomar: group voice would probably exclude too many peeps from the conv at this point. [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: actually for us yanks its "the" meeting [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:26]  Justin Clark-Casey: oooooh, you Americans [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: we'll run long today [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: and try to figure out if we should chang ethe times [10:27]  Justin Clark-Casey: actually, from a selfish perspective I'd quite like to go to 1800 UTC since BST is coming up as well [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: ok [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: hopefull we dont run into conflicts [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: with linden meets [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: the AWG meetings [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: might conflict [10:27] Justin Clark-Casey: or maybe we should have an even more radical time shift to get people like MW attending [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: that would be nice [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: im open to whatever [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: i can make anytime work myself [10:27] Justin Clark-Casey: heh, of course we've had stacks of these discussions before which never go anywhere :) [10:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: I don't think it can be too early in the morning for you guys in the US [10:28]  paulie Flomar: Maybe we can get Obama to drive a stake through the heart of DST. :) [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: well im up at 6am PST [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:28] Orion Hax: i think a switch to GMT would solve alot of problems [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: we do post in UTC but still [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: it effects USA [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: we change it doesnt [10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, and then in Britain we change too, and 2000 ain't so good for me.... [10:29] Orion Hax: yes but the locals should know that [10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: but then we might end up confusing non Brits and Yanks [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: the funny part is Charles is in USA [10:30] Orion Hax: what in life isint confuseing [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: but he is probably going on UTC time [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: why he isnt here yet [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: heh whats that? [10:30] Orion Hax: im in the us and knew what time to be here [10:30] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: looks like normandy [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:31] Justin Clark-Casey: gotta contain the Teravus [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:32] Justin Clark-Casey: right, I'm going to slump on a sofa until it's time for the real meeting ;) [10:32]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: ai, he woke up! [10:33]  Nebadon Izumi: i'll keep the videos rolling [10:33]  Nebadon Izumi: keep everyone entertained [10:33]  Nebadon Izumi: :) [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: i feel a cage coming on [10:33]  Justin Clark-Casey: uh oh [10:33]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: need a follower script now [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: i actually have one some where [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:34] Gaspar Roux: ! [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: we caught us a programmer [10:35] Justin Clark-Casey: yheeelllp! [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: wheeew [10:35] Teravus Ousley: my turn :) [10:35]  Justin Clark-Casey: I feel like a medical experiment, gone horribly wrong [10:35]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:35]  BlueWall Slade: lol [10:35]  Justin Clark-Casey: man, that;'s not much of a cage - I can get out but not in :) [10:37] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:37] Nebadon Izumi: hhahahah [10:37] BlueWall Slade: lmao [10:37] Justin Clark-Casey: woah [10:37] Nebadon Izumi: too funny [10:38] BlueWall Slade: looks like a funny bicycle [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: its our 1st physical vehicle [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: you dont wear it [10:39]  Nebadon Izumi: it wears you [10:39] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm impressed by how well it's sticking to me [10:39]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:39]  Justin Clark-Casey: and it's tendency to bounce around when I'm just standing still [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: im suprsied you have not been launched yet [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: probably the mass of it [10:39]  Teravus Ousley: that's what the collision filter is supposed to help.. the bouncing. [10:40] Teravus Ousley: but oh... well.. that needs some work :) [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: still impressive [10:40]  Justin Clark-Casey laughs [10:40]  Teravus Ousley: The rotating end Pieces are just a client side illusion. [10:40]  Nebadon Izumi: we need to make it invisible [10:40]  Nebadon Izumi: then have you wear a pogo stick [10:41]  Teravus Ousley: physicsally.. it's a closed cyllendar [10:43]  Nebadon Izumi: suprisingly CPU is very low [10:43]  Nebadon Izumi: with all that physics bouncing [10:44]  paulie Flomar: very nice! [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: hey charles [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: i guess one of todays main topics will be Daylight Savings time and all of its downsides [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:47]  Charles Krinke: Morning. Is Justin caught in a cylinder? [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: lol ya [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: Teravus Trapped him [10:47]  Gaspar Roux: Pre-meeting performance art. [10:47]  Aramis Soren: lol [10:47]  Charles Krinke: oh thats a good one [10:47] Aramis Soren: do the guy walking against the wind now ;) [10:48]  Gaspar Roux: Oh for the love of God, no MIMES! [10:48]  Justin Clark-Casey laughs [10:48]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: weeeeeeee [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: heh that was a good one [10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:51]  Justin Clark-Casey: you chaps appear to be getting very friendly in there [10:51]  Charles Krinke: Testing physics, Teravus? [10:51]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:51]  Teravus Ousley: I'm sitting [10:51]  Teravus Ousley: now it's two per container. [10:51]  Charles Krinke: hows the bod, Teravus? [10:51]  Justin Clark-Casey: aaarggh [10:52]  Aramis Soren: i knew i should have taken the Blue Pill :) [10:52] Justin Clark-Casey gave you Primitive. [10:53] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:53] Charles Krinke: hey, the mere fact that folks are in a good mood makes me feel optimistic about reliability [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: hhehe [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: i think we crossed some line right there [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: seems to have recovred though [10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, God knows where that went [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: i erased em [10:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: oh good [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: hoping it would recover [10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps it's time now to stop sim crashing activities [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: usually it doesn't need our help [10:54] Charles Krinke: Teravus, were you saying the next tagged release should be delyed a it? [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: that was awesome though [10:55] Gaspar Roux: Uh oh, some vertex madness now. [10:56] Justin Clark-Casey: ping [10:56] Teravus Ousley: I was just saying that I added some potential instability r8732.. so we should probably wait a bit before tagging anything after that. [10:57] Charles Krinke: we are so serious most of the time, maybe we need one 'playful meeting" [10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: SO anyway, shall we have our usual debate about UTC/GMT/PST/DST/BST, etc? [10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:58]  Justin Clark-Casey: I believe it's the traditional time of the year [10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: ya in the past we have moved the meeting to 12 PST at this time [10:58]  Nebadon Izumi: but not sure how wise or convinent is for some [10:58]  Charles Krinke: Absoutely. I vote for "Lunar" time ass opposed to "solar time [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:59] Richardus Raymaker: brb i hope [10:59] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm going to make a shameles selfish vote to move it back to 11am California time (hence 1800 UTC) [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: which is actually no change for PST [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: the meeting was always at 11am [10:59] Justin Clark-Casey: is it still called PST if you're in summer timne though? [10:59] Charles Krinke: Well, thats a reasonable ppoint, Justin as catering to the core-developers is important [11:00] Aramis Soren: PDT [11:00] Charles Krinke: Its called "PDT" now [11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: In the UK, for instance, we will soon be on BST (British Summer Time, UTC +1) rather than GMT (==UTC) [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:00] Charles Krinke: PacificDaylightTime [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: in Arizona we have no change ever [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: so im cool with anything [11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: Okay, well I would prefer if we went to 1800UTC for the summer. Though if another time would get more core developers where then that would be great too [11:00] Justin Clark-Casey: and other meeting attendees, of course :) [11:00]  Charles Krinke: Wont that make the time work out for you, Justin? When BST starts? [11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: BST will start on the 29th March [11:02]  Charles Krinke: Well, Justin. Do you mindTeravus: Opinion on the time? [11:02]  Justin Clark-Casey: But 1800 in the mean time is fine with me too - it's just inconvenient if it goes to 2000 for me [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: my only concern was Linden meetings [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: but at 11am PST i dont think we conflict [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: their meeting is 10am i think [11:02]  Nebadon Izumi: not that most of us ever attend it [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: but no point it making it so we cant [11:03]  Charles Krinke: Justin. Do you mind taking the action item to poll other core-developers and tell us if you think the meeting should move with daylight savings time, or be at anohter time althgother [11:04] Kentucky Friedkin: I think Linden is 11 (and since LL time is pacific, it tracks DST) [11:04] Teravus Ousley: actually, it does conflict with Andrew Linden's havok office hour. but.. I don't really care much.. [11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: sure [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: k ya i was thinking of the AWG meeting [11:04] paulie Flomar: Andrew is still holding HAvok office hours? Wow. [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: which is usally at 10am [11:05] Charles Krinke: I really appreciate you and Teravus attending and want to do everything possible to keep that and even increase the number of core developers if possible. [11:05] Kentucky Friedkin: I say we move to Swatch Internet Time. Everybody meet here at @613 :) [11:05] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:06]  Aramis Soren: where DOES he find the time do dig up these videos? lol [11:06]  Charles Krinke: best laid plans of mice and men. I thought the folks in Europe would like UTC/GMT ,sigh> [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:08]  Charles Krinke: ok. So "What is important, today?" [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: i spend 1/2 my time here in OpenSim [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: and the other 1/2 on Youtube [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:08]  Fly Man: Morning all [11:08]  Nebadon Izumi: Hey Fly Man [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: So Fly Man in regards to Day Light Savings time [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: and the time shifts [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: any thoughts [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: since your obviously here at this time becasue of the shift [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: we have all been here an hour [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: trying to figure out what to do [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: would earlier be good or bad for you? [11:10] Charles Krinke: runs screaming off into the night [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: say 1800 UTC [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:10] Fly Man: Haha [11:10] Fly Man: I like this time ;) [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: we should probably shoot a email to the -dev group too [11:10]  Kentucky Friedkin: Personally, I'm fine with tracking UTC (I've worked in datacenters that spread across timezones, so we just track everything in UTC) [11:10]  Fly Man: It's 8 PM here in Holland now [11:10]  paulie Flomar: We could use Active Worlds VRT. Virtual Reality Time. [11:10]  Fly Man: so it should be 7 PM UTC [11:10]  Charles Krinke: yelling "Time is only relative" [11:10]  Kentucky Friedkin: but I'm probably not the best example of a "normal" person [11:10]  Teravus Ousley: TeraTime! [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:11]  paulie Flomar: or PEanut Butter Jelly time. :) [11:11] Teravus Ousley: FlomarTime! [11:11] paulie Flomar: awooo! [11:11] Fly Man: So, i would say [11:11] Fly Man: we meet at @833 here ;) [11:11]  Aramis Soren: lol [11:11]  Charles Krinke: the answer is 42. [11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe ok [11:11]  Nebadon Izumi: here is the solution [11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: binary time [11:12]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:12]  What is the Day?: Today is Tuesday [11:12]  paulie Flomar: "A man with one clock knows what time it is. A man with two clocks is never sure." [11:12]  Fly Man: But to keep it simple: [11:12]  Teravus Ousley: yes.. we'll use number of seconds since enoch [11:12]  Fly Man: Wright Plaza is our main point [11:12]  Justin Clark-Casey: Well, the only reason I was suggesting we regress an hour is because 2000 (the time which this meeting wil be in the UK in 3 weeks) is pretty bad for me :) [11:12] Fly Man: so when it's 11 AM here [11:12] Fly Man: it will be Meeting time [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: hehe look at the article i posted on the web board [11:13] Teravus Ousley: next meeting will be 955656484651.92 [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:13] paulie Flomar: lol@ that article. [11:13] Fly Man: But seriosly, you have been here for over 1 hour [11:13] Fly Man: just to ask me what time I want the meeting to be ? [11:13] What is the Day?: Today is Tuesday [11:13] Charles Krinke: one of the issues is we dont want to loose Justin. [11:13] Fly Man: Well, as suggested last week [11:13] Fly Man: The Office Hour meetings can be decentralized [11:14] Charles Krinke: That ckrinke guy can go, but Teravus and Justin are important [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:14] Fly Man: For the Usa, Europe and Asia/Australia [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: i like 1800UTC [11:14] BlueWall Slade: have the meeting justin time [11:14] Aramis Soren: maybe graph the results of the poll, look for density points? [11:14] Fly Man: So, why would this be a problem ? [11:14] Justin Clark-Casey: shucks. It's the tyrrany of those who turn up [11:14] Fly Man: If Justin can make it at 19:00 CET [11:14] Fly Man: then who am I to argue [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: ya but UK changes time [11:14] Nebadon Izumi: not everyone does [11:14] Fly Man: as we will be in the same timezne then ;) [11:14]  Nebadon Izumi: so 1900 becomes 2000 [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: in UK in like a few days [11:15]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.3.8732  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [11:15] Fly Man: Uhm, 2 weeks from now [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: and therein lies the problem [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: 2000 is to late [11:15]  Fly Man: Whole Europe changes the Time clock [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: so then everyone would be at 2000? [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: if we stay at this time? [11:15]  Nebadon Izumi: were looking at next week i guess [11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: we have a few meetings before the change [11:16]  Fly Man: Yes [11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: ok well we are really talking long term here [11:16]  Fly Man: The Netherldands will change on the 28th of March [11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: ya so does UK [11:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: Do different staes in the US change to summer time at different times? [11:16]  Fly Man: Always the last Saturday of March and October [11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: no [11:16]  Nebadon Izumi: only a few dont change ever [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: everyone else is the same [11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: ok, cool [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: so then after 28th we are all back on same page? [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: and 1900 is ok? [11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: well, going to 1800 UTC from next week is fine by me if no-one else objects. II'm free at 1800 GMT as well [11:17] Charles Krinke: If weaare going to do daylight savings time, we then need to decide which time zone to change b. US or Europe. [11:18] Fly Man: I have 3 weeks of Gym to go to [11:18]  Fly Man: after that, i'm free to pick a new day to do Gym excersices [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: ah [11:18]  Justin Clark-Casey: Fly-Man-: You go to gym at 1800? [11:18] Nebadon Izumi: well im ok with 1800 [11:18] Fly Man: Justin, yup :) [11:18]  Fly Man: As soon as I arrive from work, I eat [11:18]  Fly Man: then jump into the Gym [11:18]  Jos Joszpe: evening all [11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: but that will be after 28th we go to 1800? [11:18]  Nebadon Izumi: or before? [11:19]  Justin Clark-Casey: Okay, so how about I propose we change the UTC meeting time after the 29th March? [11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: lol damn this is confusing [11:19]  Fly Man: K [11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:19]  Fly Man: Let's make it simple [11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: thats what i was about to say [11:19]  Fly Man: Europe Timezone: [11:19]  Justin Clark-Casey: cool [11:19]  Fly Man: Meeting will be at 18:00 GMT [11:19]  Nebadon Izumi: then Flyman only missed one week [11:19]  Charles Krinke: ok with me. Do we change to 1800 when US does daylight savings time and then back to 1900 when US does standard time? [11:20]  Charles Krinke: Or keep 1800UTC from here on out? [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: Charles: I think we would actually sync with the European time changes if there are no objections [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: I propose that we go back and forth with the start/end of European summer time [11:20] Aramis Soren hopes some is taking all this down... :) [11:20] Fly Man: Well, I think we can see how it works out [11:20]  Fly Man: And if some of us miss the Office Hour, so be it [11:20]  Charles Krinke: Ok, with me as long as I can easily detrmine when thos eare. [11:20]  Kentucky Friedkin: so [11:20]  Fly Man: If I miss Office Hours for 1 week, I can cope with that [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: ok great [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: sounds like thats settled then [11:21]  Kentucky Friedkin: 1900 UTC during GMT, and 1800 UTC during BST? [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: 1800 it is [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:21]  Kentucky Friedkin: I can live with that [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: exactly [11:21]  Charles Krinke: gotta go beat my head on the side of the building. back in 5 [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:21]  Nebadon Izumi: kk [11:21]  Justin Clark-Casey: cool [11:21]  Fly Man: K [11:21]  Richardus Raymaker: hmm, must be me. 1 step forward 10 back [11:21]  Teravus Ousley: next tuesday, I'm going to ask.. at about 10:00 PST.. what time the meeting is.. I'll expect an answer like.. X hours from how. :) [11:21] Teravus Ousley: 'now' [11:22]  Fly Man: When Charles returns with a blooded head, we can start then ... [11:22]  Jos Joszpe: lol [11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:22]  Aramis Soren: no time left hehe [11:22]  Kentucky Friedkin: somebody could put a PHP page up on the site that follows those rules, and says "Office Hour begins in XXX minutes" [11:22]  Kentucky Friedkin: I can script that up pretty quickly [11:22]  Fly Man: Nah [11:22]  Nebadon Izumi: k [11:23]  Fly Man: We'll use the IRC Bots to cope with that [11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: that might be cool though [11:23]  Justin Clark-Casey: I will update the wiki page if there are no objections to the time change [11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: sure please do [11:23]  Kentucky Friedkin: ok, I like IRC [11:23]  Fly Man: All in favor, please raise your hand [11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: ah thats right [11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: we have a bot now [11:23]  Nebadon Izumi: osgrid [11:23] Fly Man raises hand [11:23] Nebadon Izumi: i forgot [11:23] Kentucky Friedkin: aye [11:23] paulie Flomar hand [11:23] Justin Clark-Casey hasn't got a raising hand animation [11:23] Kentucky Friedkin: paulie: all in favor, edit the ceiling :) [11:24]  Kentucky Friedkin: err justin, sorry [11:24]  Fly Man: K [11:24]  Gaspar Roux: me too, fwiw [11:24]  Fly Man: Done [11:24]  Fly Man: Justin, make it so :) [11:24] What is the Day?: Today is Tuesday [11:25] Fly Man: k [11:25]  Fly Man: Teravus is doing his Moonwalk Dance again ? [11:25] Teravus Ousley: almost at the binary clock..... [11:25] Fly Man: This works better ;) [11:25]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:25]  Teravus Ousley: now.. time to walk the other way [11:26]  Jos Joszpe: choose a place and sit here [11:26]  Jos Joszpe: more quick [11:26]  Fly Man: k, hopefully Charles didn't hurt himself with that head bashing against building [11:26]  Tiffany Sicling: hehe [11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: lol so what next [11:27]  Fly Man: Uhm, let's see ... [11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: anyone else have anything [11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: im back from my vacation now too btw [11:27]  Kentucky Friedkin: I've got a bit of shameless self-promotion [11:27]  Fly Man: Let us pray to the OpenSim Gods and ask for a new stable release .... [11:27]  Nebadon Izumi: so i'll be around on IRC more now [11:27]  paulie Flomar: Any news on RealXtend integration? [11:27]  Tiffany Sicling: wb Neb [11:27]  Kentucky Friedkin: this weekend I officially "launched" the sim I had been working on for a few months, Undef Lagoon [11:28] Tiffany Sicling: adon [11:28] Kentucky Friedkin: stop on by, y'all [11:28] Fly Man: k [11:28]  Fly Man: As Charles doesn't seem to be here [11:28] Jos Joszpe: lm? [11:28]  Kentucky Friedkin: (it used to be Undef Island, but the joke was lost when it stopped being an island, heh) [11:28] Fly Man: Let us announce the new "Approved by OSGrid Admins" release for this week [11:28] paulie Flomar: I placed a prim outside here on Wright which links to an experimental group voice chat. If anyone wants to try it. [11:28] Fly Man: Nebadon, your pick was ? [11:28] Jos Joszpe: yes [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: i havent had time to investigate that yet [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: but i did update to head last night [11:29] Fly Man: What version is on the Plaza's now ? [11:29] Kentucky Friedkin: 8732 [11:29] Fly Man: K [11:29]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server  0.6.3.8732  (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False [11:29] Kentucky Friedkin: I like it [11:29]  Fly Man: And does it run stable ? [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: yea this rev seems great [11:30] Fly Man: K, let us declare 8732 the Stable release for this week then :) [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: sure [11:30]  Kentucky Friedkin: woohoo [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: sounds good to me [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: after this meeting [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: im sold [11:30]  Tiffany Sicling whistles [11:30]  paulie Flomar approves [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: we were really pounding it earlier before you arived [11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: physical prims and all [11:30]  Fly Man: Anyone else objections or things to add to this release ? [11:30]  Charles Krinke: r873 for "recommended" release, I think we mean? [11:30]  Fly Man: Yupz :) [11:30] Charles Krinke: 8732 [11:30] Fly Man: Welcome back Charles :) [11:30]  Kentucky Friedkin: same-sim region crossings seem to be a lot faster now [11:31]  Charles Krinke: feels so good whn I stop [11:31]  Tiffany Sicling: what about with attachments ? [11:31]  Fly Man: No blood spattering on the floor I hope ? [11:31]  Charles Krinke: targ? not tag? [11:31]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:32]  Fly Man: And also a proposal: [11:32]  Fly Man: Let us annoucnce the recommended releases in a list on the website [11:32]  Kentucky Friedkin: uhh [11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:32]  Fly Man: so we can always look back which ones we recommended [11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: that was wierd kentucky [11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: give it a second to settle [11:32]  Nebadon Izumi: its lagging [11:32]  Tiffany Sicling: got the animation for that ? lol [11:33]  Kentucky Friedkin: no, I'm glitching [11:33]  Kentucky Friedkin: brb [11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: kk [11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: its the sim [11:33] Fly Man: Charles, what is your opinion about that ? [11:33] Fly Man: To keep a list on the webpage so we can see what versions we recommended [11:33] Tiffany Sicling: I couldn't walk up here, I had to camera and grab a seat [11:34] Charles Krinke: +1 [11:34] Fly Man: This makes it easier for ppl to follow the progress [11:34] Jos Joszpe: I agree [11:34] Fly Man: and also keep us up to date with all the versions we recommended [11:34] Charles Krinke: When do we tag 0.6.4 ? [11:35] Fly Man: Well, I would hope coming weekend ? [11:35] Fly Man: I haven't seen any open issues for 0.6.4 [11:35] Fly Man: The only one that's bound to 0.6.4 is Profile [11:35] Fly Man: and that still needs work [11:35] Fly Man: so I will postpone that to 0.6.6 [11:36] Justin Clark-Casey: You might want to either wait, or make the release the one before lbsa71 put in the change which he labelled as experimental and possibly sim crashing [11:36] Charles Krinke: Lets aim for Saturday morning and see what folks say then? Teravus, Jusin, Fly-Man, Nebadon? [11:36] Fly Man: Yes, sounds reasonable [11:36] Nebadon Izumi: ok [11:36]  Nebadon Izumi: sounds good [11:36] Charles Krinke: A tag release needs more concurs then the weeks "recommended" [11:36] Justin Clark-Casey: sounds good [11:37] Fly Man: Would it be best to do a full freeze from tomorrow on ? [11:37] Fly Man: so we have 3 days to test out a good revision ? [11:37] Fly Man: then we tag it, and all hell can break loose again [11:37] Fly Man: like with 0.6.0 [11:37] Charles Krinke: what about lbsa experimental/sim crahsing question? [11:37] Justin Clark-Casey: Fly Man. I'm sympathetic to that argument, though to do that one would have to get general agreement from all the developers [11:38] Teravus Ousley: 8732 [11:38] Teravus Ousley: :) [11:38]  Justin Clark-Casey: Charles: I reckon if there are any problems they will show up very soon, so you should be good for Sat [11:38]  Fly Man: Well, we could tell the Mailingslist about out idea [11:38]  Fly Man: our* [11:38]  Charles Krinke: In general, I would suggest "OSGrid admins" for the weeks recommended and "core developers" decide on a tagged release. [11:39]  Fly Man: Agreed [11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: i can make the osgrid relase today [11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: and get our people testing it [11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: then if we are happy we tag it on the weekend [11:40]  Fly Man: Then I think a message to the dev list would be good to announce the idea of having a new release [11:40]  Charles Krinke: I'll put something together and ask. [11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: i want to try something with memory real quick [11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: see if things get better [11:41] Nebadon Izumi: brb [11:41] Charles Krinke: What ae the 1 r 2 biggest reliability issues this week? [11:41] Richardus Raymaker: my ISP :) lol [11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm [11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: didnt help [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: i flushed the systems cache out [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: freeing up ram [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: but it hasnt helped [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: we have alot more ram free now [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe it will settle in a few [11:42]  Fly Man: Uhm, I would say sim crossings ... [11:42]  Fly Man: But that's every week an issue ... [11:42]  Charles Krinke: is WP abd LP still crashing, freezin more then once a day? [11:42]  Jos Joszpe: yes those were bad [11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: hmm not sure ckrinke [11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: the box itself has issues [11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: for one i relaized today the machine is not Configured for PAE [11:43]  Richardus Raymaker: we have worked with more avatars and less problems [11:43]  BlueWall Slade: they are much better [11:43]  Nebadon Izumi: meaning we only have 3.3gb ram available [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: out of the 4gb [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: i need to fix that asap [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: hopefully today [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: we have backup plan incase i kill this server and we need to reload [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: im going to do a full dump [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: and prepare the Deepgrid machine [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: nitrogen [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: to be a backup incase modifying the kernel goes horribly wrong [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: but i think that will help us here [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: as we are missing almost a gig of ram [11:44] Richardus Raymaker: why not 64bit ? [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: thats possiblity [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: but it would be to much work right now [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: if it fals horribly [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: fails [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: maybe [11:45] Richardus Raymaker: ok, but if kernel go wrong... [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: PAE is fine though with 4gb [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: ya if the kernel upgrade goes bad [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: we'll consider it [11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: just not sure how well it will run a region like this [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: in 64 bit [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: we have done no testing at osgrid [11:45] Charles Krinke: great, Nebadon [11:45] Kentucky Friedkin: do you have 4GB or more than 4GB on the server? [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: 4gb [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: but right now its only seeing 3.3 [11:46] Kentucky Friedkin: because keep in mind that even with PAE, single processes can only get 4GB each [11:46] Kentucky Friedkin: ok [11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: cause PAE is not enabled on the kernel level [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: yes [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: but also the system only sees 3.3gb [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: without PAE [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: thats my concern [11:46] Kentucky Friedkin: yeah, understood [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: 3gb per process is way to much anyway [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: for opensim [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: the sim usually dies around 2gb [11:47] Richardus Raymaker: yes [11:47] Charles Krinke: What can testers do to help the developers that they are not doing? Addressed to Teravus and Justin. [11:47] Jos Joszpe: i feel spoken to [11:47]  Teravus Ousley: have fun :) [11:47]  Kentucky Friedkin: dance Teravus, dance! [11:48]  Justin Clark-Casey: going through Mantis and dealing with old open entries is always helpful [11:48]  Charles Krinke: What can developers to do help testers that they are not doing? Addressed to everyone. [11:48]  Teravus Ousley: learn how to proxy the protocol with libOMV and DIFF the SecondLifeGrid protocol and ours :) [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: rofl [11:48] Justin Clark-Casey: either closing them or establishing the relaionships between them [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: strange were snapping like this [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: we have lots of ram [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: and lots of CPU [11:49] Justin Clark-Casey: Another possibility is capturing thread dumps if you're on mono and you have a bug where 100% of the cpu starts being eaten [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: doesnt make sense [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: were snapping back [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: maybe were just out of IO [11:49]  Justin Clark-Casey: I just had one of those myself, not getting many clues from the thread dump yet though [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: that doesnt seem posisble though [11:50] Fly Man: Uhm, still the best to do is make good Mantis reports [11:50] Fly Man: Please include as much info as they can capture [11:50] Aramis Soren: how's the asset server coming, and what is hd space left charles, i see osgrid is over 13k users now [11:50] Fly Man: Mono logs, Error logs, etc [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: we have 28gb left [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: and last i heard from adam things are going quite well [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: few bugs to tackle still [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: but progress is being made [11:51] Aramis Soren: thats good [11:51] Teravus Ousley: pwagwess [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: ya we have contingency plans [11:51] Aramis Soren: lol [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: say we run out of time [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: we can purge tons of dead assets [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: we know are dead [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: and probably wipe out 1/2 the asset table [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: without loss of anything [11:52] Richardus Raymaker: how do you know the are dead ? [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: they are blank [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: and old terrains [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: 24gb [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: if i remember [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: so all is not lost [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: if we do get to low [11:52] Teravus Ousley: old maptile images :) [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:52]  Richardus Raymaker: wow, that gives some more air. [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: were 99% sure they are useless [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: but [11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: that means 24-48 hours of no grid [11:53]  Tiffany Sicling: is yang on the same server ? [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: while we revcover the space [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: no [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: yang is in charles house [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: on his machine [11:53]  Tiffany Sicling: I saw someone was changing the terrain a lot yesterday [11:53]  Charles Krinke: Yang texture assets are the same as all the other regions. [11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: thats his personal sim [11:53]  Justin Clark-Casey: Also, I'd like to knwo if anybody has any feelings here about what to do with OpenSim.ini [11:53]  Charles Krinke: Someone did terraforming on both Yang and Phobos yesterday [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: make chapters? [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:54] Fly Man: Justin, cut it up in smaller pieces [11:54] Jos Joszpe: and my neighbours land got beaten badly [11:54] Aramis Soren: leave it all in one place :) [11:54]  Tiffany Sicling: how about an include where you can have the main include another ini ? [11:54]  Richardus Raymaker: how's that posisble if otehr cannot edit terrain ? [11:54]  Justin Clark-Casey: Fly-Man-: I agree, though we now have the question of how. I believe that putting live .ini files directly into SVN will cause more support issues [11:55]  Tiffany Sicling: sorta like apache's .conf file [11:55]  Charles Krinke: I must have a mis-configure or there is a bug that allows terraforming [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: yea [11:55]  Teravus Ousley: I think that changing the OpenSim.ini is going to cause lots of support issues anyway [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: is there any reason [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we dont have physics.ini [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: and scrpting.ini [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: database.ini [11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: why lump it all into 1 [11:55] Justin Clark-Casey: Tiffany: True, though I don't think that addresses the issue I', having problems with [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: Well, historically I think that it's been easier to deal with a single file [11:56] Teravus Ousley: The person who does the commit is responsible for staying in #opensim and telling people, the new way to configure their server [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: sure [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: And to be honest, php.ini still only have a single file (which is longer than ours) [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: until the 1 file is so large [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: Teravus: That's what I would say, though not everybody is as concientious as you :) [11:56]  Nebadon Izumi: ya true [11:56]  Tiffany Sicling: tre [11:56]  Tiffany Sicling: true [11:56]  BlueWall Slade: just drive it to something like the windows registry and drive us all nuts [11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: Teravus: Well, if we keep OpenSim.ini as an override (and don't move it into conf/) then everything will still work as is. [11:56]  Justin Clark-Casey: BlueWall: ha ha [11:56]  Aramis Soren: you already have the master ability for those that need customizations [11:57]  Tiffany Sicling throws rocks at BlueWall [11:57]  Richardus Raymaker: dont make it a windows registry stiyle. OMG panic ! :P [11:57]  Teravus Ousley: lets put it in an LDAP server.. or DNS TXT records. [11:57]  Tiffany Sicling: if ya do it registry style, it's only fitting to include a blue screen in it too [11:57] BlueWall Slade: I was thinking that the inimaster would tell opensim which dir to read, and allow us to breakout the config for each section [11:57] Charles Krinke: Let us know before the commit so we can go on vacation [11:57] Fly Man: Ghehe [11:58] Fly Man: I have planned another vacation after Saturday ;) [11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe nice [11:58]  Teravus Ousley: I know.. lets put opensim.ini in an oar and have there be a new opensim.ini externally that just has one line per region.. the location of each of the region's oar file. [11:59]  Fly Man: Uhm, or make it even better [11:59]  Justin Clark-Casey: ha ha [11:59]  Fly Man: Make the OpenSim.ini loadable from Web ;) [11:59] Fly Man: You can pick the things you want [11:59] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:59] Fly Man: and we create the OpenSim.xml for you ;) [11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: thats a pretty good idea [11:59]  Nebadon Izumi: though somewhat still doesnt resolve the problem [12:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: well you know, I'm fine with the overriding stuff [12:00]  Tiffany Sicling: like a complete configuration utility for the .ini ? hehe [12:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: my fear is that if .ini files are in SVN, then people will change them no matter what warnings you put about not doing it [12:00]  Justin Clark-Casey: but then other people's 'lowest common denominator' is my 'useability nightmare' [12:00]  Teravus Ousley: i'm sinking.. oh what a world what a world. [12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [12:01]  Fly Man: Tiffany, yes [12:01]  Fly Man: and Yes, I think this could lead to less problems ... [12:01]  Richardus Raymaker: more ini files means more problems.. becuase you forgot to edit that 1 lini in that ini.. already miss sometimes 1 line in opensim.ini [12:02] Fly Man: If you create a "OpenSim Configuration" [12:02] Justin Clark-Casey: you don't find one big ini file difficult to navigate? [12:02] Fly Man: then all you need is to get the latst info [12:02] Aramis Soren: i don't touch 95% of whats in there anyway [12:02] Fly Man: Justin, someone made it this big ... [12:02] Fly Man: So yes [12:03] Richardus Raymaker: aramis, and in the 5% you miss 1 line.. mostly a port.. [12:03] Tiffany Sicling: I had to manually add in some various ossl commands to enable them [12:03] Justin Clark-Casey: it's one of those things which just grows orgnaically... but we are still smaller than php.ini [12:03] Aramis Soren: right that can happen but usually change/setup the same few items when going to new one [12:04] Charles Krinke: I need to go pretend I am working by putting on my bemused, befuddled expression and walking around the lab and offices. [12:04] Fly Man: But in the meantime, the OpenSIm.ini needs work [12:04] Fly Man: Put things together ... [12:04] Fly Man: [Plugins] [12:04] Fly Man: All the plugins we can load [12:04] Fly Man: [ Extensions ] [12:05] Fly Man: All the extensions we load [12:05] Fly Man: (Search, Wind, Profile, DataSnapShot) [12:05] Fly Man: Make it easier to understand [12:05] Tiffany Sicling: [Script Engine] [12:05] Fly Man: Yes [12:05] Fly Man: Make it readable and balanced [12:06] Tiffany Sicling: would be easier to find and edit things [12:06] Justin Clark-Casey: It does need work. Any tidy up and commenting patches would be much appreciated [12:06] Fly Man: Well, let's start with removing all those witespaces in front of everything ... [12:06] Justin Clark-Casey: anyhow - I have to dash - need to capture information on why an OpenSim instance suddenly leaps up to consuming 100% cpu fairly reliably [12:07] Nebadon Izumi: ok justin [12:07] Justin Clark-Casey: you never know, might lead to a fix :) [12:07]  Fly Man: because whoever made that happen .... [12:07]  Fly Man: K, I have a meeting in SL with Modesl [12:07]  Fly Man: Models* [12:07]  Fly Man: So Let me excuses myself as well [12:07]  Fly Man: All, think about the Wiki Hours on Thursday [12:07]  Fly Man: and the Q&A hour on Saturday [12:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: okay, goodbye everyone [12:08]  Fly Man: Times can be found on the Wiki [12:08]  Tiffany Sicling: bye Justin [12:08]  Aramis Soren: what was highest headcount here today, no crashes! [12:08]  Jos Joszpe: bye [12:08]  Jos Joszpe: about 12 to 15 [12:08]  Tiffany Sicling: no crashes, just trampolining [12:08]  Fly Man: I counted 18 ppl [12:09]  Alyvaral Aeghin gave you The Ruth Issue 3. [12:09]  Aramis Soren: and cage fun too [12:09]  Teravus Ousley: there's trampolining .. and there's insane bounceback.. and we've got the latter :) [12:09] Tiffany Sicling: hehe [12:09]  Alyvaral Aeghin: a perk ;-) [12:09] The Ruth Issue 3: Use Page Up and Page Down to turn pages. Best read in Mouselook. [12:09] The Ruth Issue 3: Touch again to bring up the additional functions menu. [12:09] Tiffany Sicling: those on the couches will trampoline [12:09] Tiffany Sicling: and those walking do multi-takes [12:10] Orion Hax: fyi stress test at my place after the meeting i wana see if i can break the server [12:10] Teravus Ousley: sloooooooo moooooooootioooooooooon [12:10] Teravus Ousley: let's see that .. in an instant replay.. [12:10] Nebadon Izumi: what a good meeting [12:10] BlueWall Slade: wheeee [12:10] Tiffany Sicling: I've noticed a similiar thing with building [12:10] Nebadon Izumi: even though we cant hardly move [12:10] Nebadon Izumi: sim held up [12:11]  Teravus Ousley: who else does that.. the 600 million dollar man.. or something like that? [12:11] Tiffany Sicling: I set the size of something, or the transparancy, other controls, and they snap back a lot [12:11] Nebadon Izumi: not even chat lag [12:11] Orion Hax: i got brain lag [12:11] Gaspar Roux: Thanks, Alyvaral! [12:11] Alyvaral Aeghin: yw ;-) [12:12]  Gaspar Roux: Orion, where is your testing? [12:13]  Orion Hax: orion ec2 [12:13]  Nebadon Izumi: shall we all head to Orians Sim? [12:13]  Nebadon Izumi: Orions that is [12:13]  Alyvaral Aeghin: Hi Tiffany [12:13]  Tiffany Sicling: hi Aly [12:13]  Jos Joszpe: ok by me [12:13]  Richardus Raymaker: does 8732 have lots of ini changes ? [12:13]  Aramis Soren: sure might as well pile on [12:13]  Gaspar Roux: OK. Always good to bash an EC2 instance ;-) [12:13] Alyvaral Aeghin: LOL [12:14] Nebadon Izumi: hehe ok im heading over [12:14] Nebadon Izumi: see you there [12:14] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Wright%20Plaza/149/143/32 [12:14] The region you have entered is running a different simulator version. Click this message for details.