Chat log from the meeting on 2010-09-14

[17:53] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) e7e9e67: 2010-09-07 21:05:10 +0100 (Unix/Mono)

[17:53] Tasha Violet is Offline

[17:56] Penny Lane is Online

[17:56] Cuddles McCann smiles.. mind if I find a quiet corner?

[17:57] Richardus Raymaker is Online

[18:00] Penny Lane: Hi Neb :-)

[18:00] Cuddles McCann grins.. I don't think his mind is in world yet

[18:01] Penny Lane: Hehe

[18:02] Justin Clark-Casey is Online

[18:02] Richardus Raymaker: hi penny, nebadon

[18:02] Penny Lane: Hi Rich :-)

[18:03] Richardus Raymaker: i have 1 problem. root agents dont disapear always from json.

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: hello

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: doh

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: sorry sim froze

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: that was my fault

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: i scrolled back in screen

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[18:03] Richardus Raymaker: dont play with groups.lol

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: forgot to hit esc

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: nah i was scrolled back in screen

[18:03] Nebadon Izumi: forgot that freezes the sim

[18:04] Penny Lane: Fell asleep with face on keyboard? ;-)

[18:04] Nebadon Izumi: hola Justin

[18:04] Justin Clark-Casey: hi nebadon. hello people

[18:04] Richardus Raymaker: hi justin.

[18:04] Penny Lane: Eeeek, Neb's sitting in a different spot! It's going to confuse everybody! ;-)

[18:04] Richardus Raymaker: so i see still 1 root agent when there's no agent ..

[18:05] Penny Lane: Hiya Justin :-)

[18:05] Justin Clark-Casey: json stats isn't very maintained right now

[18:05] Richardus Raymaker: hmm, i think this is the normal spot for nebadon

[18:05] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[18:05] Penny Lane: No no, he's always just to the right of this flag

[18:05] Nebadon Izumi: i just randomly picked one

[18:05] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[18:05] Penny Lane: Haha

[18:05] Richardus Raymaker: in the past nebadon where closer to here

[18:07] Richardus Raymaker: yup, json tells me there's 1 rootag. show users says there's nobody

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: well not sure how many are coming today, ive been busy working on Danger grid though

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: things are sorta coming along there

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: having an asset issue at the moment

[18:08] Richardus Raymaker: nice

[18:08] Richardus Raymaker: hmmm

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: we reset the database last night cause we moved asset server to SRAS

[18:08] Richardus Raymaker: sras ?

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: but coyled knows about it, hopefully get it worked out today

[18:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya its our Ruby Asset server

[18:08] Richardus Raymaker: hi andrew

[18:08] Nebadon Izumi: that we run here on OSgrid

[18:09] Justin Clark-Casey: very new?

[18:09] Nebadon Izumi: actually danger grid is using the same server as the main grid now

[18:09] Nebadon Izumi: not really we have been running SRAS here for a while now

[18:09] Nebadon Izumi: works great

[18:09] Nebadon Izumi: hang on i'll get the git URL

[18:09] Justin Clark-Casey: :)

[18:09] Nebadon Izumi: http://github.com/coyled/sras/

[18:10] Nebadon Izumi: it stores assets as Flat file on the har drive

[18:10] Nebadon Izumi: and does Hash Comparison to elimiante dupe assets

[18:10] Justin Clark-Casey: nice

[18:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya scales a bit nicer than the default Robust asset server

[18:10] Penny Lane: That's cool Neb

[18:10] Nebadon Izumi: storing blobs in the database is recipe for disaster

[18:10] Penny Lane: Aye

[18:10] Richardus Raymaker: bit offtopic, is osgrid useing 1u servers ?

[18:11] Nebadon Izumi: our asset servers are

[18:11] Richardus Raymaker: yes, the are now stored seperate ?

[18:11] Nebadon Izumi: im not sure about all the servers though

[18:11] Richardus Raymaker: how do you store the blobs now ?

[18:11] Nebadon Izumi: probably they all are though

[18:11] Nebadon Izumi: they are flat files on the hard disk

[18:11] Nebadon Izumi: it creates sub directorys based on the UUID

[18:12] Richardus Raymaker: nice. in the past it where called to store it seperate

[18:12] Nebadon Izumi: for instance

[18:12] Nebadon Izumi: if a assets uuid is 766eaf4a-6d14-4a6f-8d82-58281cadce18

[18:12] Richardus Raymaker: sund like the region cache does

[18:12] Nebadon Izumi: the folder structure goes like this

[18:12] Nebadon Izumi: /assets/766/eaf/766eaf4a-6d14-4a6f-8d82-58281cadce18

[18:12] Mic Bowman: hey justin

[18:12] Nebadon Izumi: basiclly it works exactly the same way Flotsam cache works

[18:12] Richardus Raymaker: bad thinking, but more easy to remove some asset from database to

[18:13] Nebadon Izumi: hey Mic

[18:13] Justin Clark-Casey: Hi Mic

[18:13] Mic Bowman: g'afternoon neb

[18:13] Richardus Raymaker: helllo mic

[18:14] Catharina Jacobus is Online

[18:14] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: btw, are your scripts that automatically restart simulators after they crash avialable?

[18:14] Nebadon Izumi: sure its super simple

[18:14] Nebadon Izumi: Linux or windows?

[18:14] Justin Clark-Casey: linux

[18:14] Nebadon Izumi: k 1 sec

[18:15] Nebadon Izumi: while ($TRUE); do ulimit -s 262144 && mono --debug OpenSim.exe -console=basic -name=sandbox; done

[18:15] Nebadon Izumi: do ulimit isnt really required

[18:15] Justin Clark-Casey: thanks :) I see it is simple

[18:15] Nebadon Izumi: it helps with physics issues

[18:15] Justin Clark-Casey: k

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: ya its very reliable

[18:16] Richardus Raymaker: i just have my script finaly running without crash. the only bump is the not existing root agent in json

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: if you want something a bit more sophisticated

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: let me grab URL

[18:16] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: this is a script that monitors opensim from the outside?

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: http://coyled.com/2010/07/07/monit-and-opensim/

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: this explains how to use monit to restart sims that get stuck at 0fps

[18:16] Nebadon Izumi: and dont actually crash

[18:16] Richardus Raymaker: justin, it runs on the server. but use like monmit does remote admin yes

[18:17] Gennifer Eros: Nice, got logged out and came back ruthed

[18:17] Nebadon Izumi: one of our servers is using that

[18:17] Justin Clark-Casey: great, thanks

[18:17] Nebadon Izumi: Gennifer ya that happens sometimes

[18:17] Richardus Raymaker: i dotn see how that page explains the 0fps crash ?

[18:17] Nebadon Izumi: you should be able to rewear your outfit again

[18:17] Gennifer Eros: First time it has happened to me neb

[18:17] Nebadon Izumi: ya ive never done it Richardus

[18:17] Richardus Raymaker: just have my own one 90% runnign now

[18:17] Gennifer Eros: Not nice

[18:17] Nebadon Izumi: but im sure if you ask Coyled he can explain it better

[18:17] paulie Flomar is Online

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: one of our plaza servers is running it though

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: and it works great

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: Lbsa Plaza, Sandbox Plaza II, and Bade Plaza

[18:18] Justin Clark-Casey: looks like coyled has been doing a fair bit

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: if they get stuck at 0fps for 2 minutes it restarts them

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[18:18] Richardus Raymaker: i tried it with screen. its painfull to parse command. and remote conmsole is worser. besides the example script dont work.

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: he is pretty proficient with alot of the stuff we needed in more traditional sense

[18:18] Richardus Raymaker: need to look in the remote console thing again

[18:18] Nebadon Izumi: like monit and nginx

[18:19] Richardus Raymaker: but i monitor more then only ....

[18:19] Andrew Hellershanks: On the subject of stats, I was noticing that ScrLPS is in both lines of the region summary provided by /SStats

[18:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Its on the end of the first line and around the middle of the second.

[18:21] Justin Clark-Casey: which file is that?

[18:21] Richardus Raymaker: i dont see how you catch the ofps with this http://coyled.com/2010/07/07/monit-and-opensim/

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure if you ask Coyled Rich he can explain it better

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: he probably assumes you understand monit and opensim a bit

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: ive not actually attempted to get it working yet, i just have not had time

[18:21] Richardus Raymaker: i solved it almost other way nebadon :)

[18:21] Nebadon Izumi: i would like to eventually though

[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, it is in the output from an OS instance when you pass /SStats/ to the URL for the instance.

[18:22] Gennifer Eros: Hey andrew

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: so what are you asking Andrew?

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: are you asking what ScrLPS is?

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: or just asking why its there twice?

[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Is there some reason for the duplication?

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: ah, probably just cruft

[18:22] Andrew Hellershanks: They appear to be the same number.

[18:22] Nebadon Izumi: someone working to fast

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: SStats is very old, and not maintained much anymore

[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, np. Just spotted that when I was taking a closer look at all the next info you get from the webstats

[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: next info -> neat info

[18:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya probably just accidental duplication

[18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Hey, Gennifer

[18:23] Gennifer Eros: Long time no see

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, ok. I may look at that and mantis it with a patch to remove the duplicated

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: -d

[18:24] Gennifer Eros: oops, sorry dahlia

[18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: it might be duplicated. I'm looking at SimStatsAJAX and see it twice

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, yeah, it has been a long time Gennifer.

[18:24] Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: cool that would be great Andrew

[18:24] Dahlia Trimble: hi :)

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: we have tons of cleanup we need to do

[18:24] Nebadon Izumi: every little bit helps

[18:24] Gennifer Eros: Hoe have you been andrew?

[18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, sure, np.

[18:25] Justin Clark-Casey: but the SimStatsAJAX file is a bit obscure. The diplicate appears to be in setting out the html

[18:25] Gennifer Eros: Any word on the 0.7 upgrade schedule yet neb?

[18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm still wading through all the stuff needed to getting osprofile working

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: ya probably, the HTML for SStats is easy to edit

[18:25] Richardus Raymaker: ill stay with python :)

[18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, Been doing ok. Keeping busy and all that.

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: ive messed around with that a bit in the past

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: until sqlite stopped working for a while

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: then i sorta gave up on SStats

[18:25] Gennifer Eros: As have I with my grid :)

[18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, how have you been?

[18:25] Nebadon Izumi: im still having problems with SQlite on master opensim

[18:25] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: I think the root agents comes from the main statistics. It might be worth checking to see if the in-world statistics think there are still main gaents present or not

[18:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, what file are you looking at?

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: so far im unable to get a standalone started on the very newest OpenSim using sqlite

[18:26] Gennifer Eros: Pretty good thanks andrew, just come back from a week in spain

[18:26] Andrew Hellershanks: (save me from tracking it down) :-)

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: Andrew its been agest since i poked on SStats

[18:26] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: what error do you see?

[18:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, nice

[18:26] Dahlia Trimble: with mono Nebadon?

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: yes Dahlia

[18:26] Gennifer Eros: I got mine running 'out of the box' neb

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: ive only tried on Mono 2.4.2.3 and 2.6.7

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: hang on Justin

[18:26] Nebadon Izumi: i'll grab the error

[18:27] Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon, found it. WebStatsModule

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: http://pastebin.com/iCPaLUJi

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: i have tried mono 2.4 and 2.6

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: using both sqlite and sqlite legacy on both

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: so far ive not gotten it to start

[18:28] Gennifer Eros: Mono sucks :)

[18:28] Nebadon Izumi: i was only testing because i saw others having issues too

[18:28] Justin Clark-Casey: that's wierd. I presume you're deleting all the *.db before trying?

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: i normally dont use it

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: ive done that several times

[18:29] Justin Clark-Casey: and you're not on a mac of course, right?

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: everytime this is the end result

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: heh no

[18:29] Gennifer Eros: lol

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: Linux x86 Suse 11.3

[18:29] Justin Clark-Casey: that's wierd

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:29] Dahlia Trimble: Ive not seen that one but I havent kept up with trunk for a month or so

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: i havent had much time to do much about it

[18:29] Justin Clark-Casey: do any databases get created at all?

[18:29] Gennifer Eros: I run mine on windoze neb and it ran straight from the pull

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: especially since i dont use sqlite

[18:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:29] Justin Clark-Casey: sqlite was fine on trunk when I tried it yesterday

[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: though one is 0kbs

[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: InventoryStore.db

[18:30] Richardus Raymaker: i think i have seen something like this before when i tried it with mysql. copy pasted the connector string complete again and then it worked. but this sqlite.

[18:30] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I have to leave early today. Have to head out in a few minutes to run some errands

[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: i tried mysql starts right up

[18:30] Dahlia Trimble: theres a couple different sqlite options in there somewhhere dependant on which mono you use

[18:30] Justin Clark-Casey: bye andrew

[18:30] Nebadon Izumi: kk Andrew no problem

[18:30] Gennifer Eros: Take care andrew, nice to see you again

[18:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, you can often catch me at these weekly meetings

[18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: (If I don't lose track of time or otherwise get busy)

[18:31] Gennifer Eros: I never knew this was a weekly meeting lol

[18:31] paulie Flomar is Offline

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: anyway if you think of anything Justin let me know i can test it, i know your busy

[18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: they are. The transcripts of the meetings are posted online.

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: im not really sure if others are seeing this exact problem

[18:31] Gennifer Eros: Will check them out

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: the problem i was testing for originally was fixed

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: but now i get this issue

[18:31] Nebadon Izumi: and Jhurliman didnt really know

[18:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, I've removed the duplication in the stats from my local copy of OS. I'll test it when I get back home

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: this all started after jhurliman moved the database connection ini stuff

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: atleast for me

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: ive not tested on older revisions

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: i could though

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: if that helps

[18:32] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: how recently did this stop working? Oh right, recently?

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya couple days ago

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: i saw people in opensim-dev complaining about it not starting

[18:32] Nebadon Izumi: it turned out jhruliman missed something in the ini

[18:32] Gennifer Eros: lol

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: at that point it wasnt even creating any .db files

[18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: yes

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: he then fixed that, but now i run into this, and not sure if anyone else is having this same problem now

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: havent seen anyone else mention it since then

[18:33] Gennifer Eros: I only use sqlite in standalone mode to make sure all fires up

[18:33] Penny Lane: Justin: same question as every week --- Any news on policy change yet?

[18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe two instances of simulatio ndata are possibly being started

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: Gennifer are you running the lastest opensim code?

[18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: penny: lawyer delays. I am going to chase that up soon now

[18:33] Nebadon Izumi: be great if you could test the newest code if not

[18:33] Mic Bowman: speaking of which... what is the current ordering of configuration file loads?

[18:34] Penny Lane: JCC: kk, tnx :-)

[18:34] Gennifer Eros: 0.7 yes but not for my sims here

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: ya i figured, if you could grab the latest git code and test that would be great Gennifer

[18:34] Justin Clark-Casey: mic: you mean current as in from yesterday?

[18:34] Mic Bowman: i had opensimdefaults.ini from the distribution and my own complete opensim.ini ... none of the settings from opensim.ini were included

[18:34] Gennifer Eros: I can do that and try it sure

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: bascilly i think nothings changed yet Mic

[18:34] Nebadon Izumi: accept the file name

[18:34] Justin Clark-Casey: mic: you should ask jhurliman, he was party to those changes

[18:34] Mic Bowman: or maybe nothing that was alredy defined in the defaults was included

[18:35] Gennifer Eros: The 0.7 I have I got using git

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: but i think it is going to change soon

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: im sorta as in the dark as you are at the moment

[18:35] Mic Bowman: ok... i just moved all my deploy scripts to write the defaults file

[18:35] Gennifer Eros: Was maybe 4-6 weeks ago

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think thats all thats needed right now

[18:35] Justin Clark-Casey: unsurprisingly nothing is being discussed beforehand, so people will just have to hold on

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: ok Gennifer this changed happend in last few days

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: so if you could test the newest that would be great, if your interested

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: just be sure to make good backups

[18:35] Gennifer Eros: Ahhhhhhh

[18:35] Nebadon Izumi: cause it might break

[18:36] Gennifer Eros: Have you tried the earlier version?

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: this way you can easily fall back if it doesnt start

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: not for a while no

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: i was testing the changes made a few days ago

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: the .ini files have changed a bit though

[18:36] Gennifer Eros: I ALWAYS make backups lol

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: so it would be good

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: if you could start totally fresh

[18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: on you r issue, my guess would be that somehow a region is attempting to use the same uuid on two separate writes

[18:36] Nebadon Izumi: and not use your current configurations

[18:36] Gennifer Eros: With a standalone or a grid version?

[18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: I take it you're starting up completely from scratch with no existing regions?

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: correct Justin

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: like i said i dont normally use sqlite

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: i started up a fresh standalone to test issues others were having

[18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah

[18:37] paulie Flomar is Online

[18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: that's odd

[18:37] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[18:37] Gennifer Eros: Neb, are you trying to use sqlite in grid mode?

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: everything seems right in the configs

[18:38] Richardus Raymaker: and the problem exist offcorse not under windows

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: no

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: it was a Standalone Gennifer

[18:38] Gennifer Eros: Ok

[18:38] Justin Clark-Casey: might have to wait until somebody else runs into it, then hopefully jhurliman can fix it

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: about as basic as i could make it

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: just rename the examples

[18:38] Andrew Hellershanks: See you all next week

[18:38] Nebadon Izumi: and start up opensim

[18:38] Justin Clark-Casey: bye andrew

[18:38] Gennifer Eros: Thats what I did with my current 0.7 and it all worked

[18:38] Dahlia Trimble: bye :)

[18:39] Gennifer Eros: Bye dahlia

[18:39] Nebadon Izumi: k ya give the newest version a shot, let me know how it goes, id like to get some confirmation if its just me or not

[18:39] Richardus Raymaker: sqlite gave me many times problem. but never use it.

[18:39] Dahlia Trimble: I was saying bye to andrew ;)

[18:39] Gennifer Eros: oops :)

[18:40] Gennifer Eros: I will try it tomorow neb, its getting late here and I like to be awake whan doing a new install lol

[18:40] Gennifer Eros: when*

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: ya no problem

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: the more people we get testinging it easier it will be to know where the problem is

[18:40] Gennifer Eros: I can catch you on icq tomorrow and let you know

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: great, thanks

[18:40] Gennifer Eros: oops, not icq

[18:40] Gennifer Eros: The other one

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: IRC

[18:40] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: i figured thats what you meant

[18:41] Gennifer Eros: Thats the one :)

[18:41] Richardus Raymaker: do you have the get line nebadon ?

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: though who knows you can probably connecto to IRC with ICQ

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: get line?

[18:41] Gennifer Eros: More than likely

[18:41] Nebadon Izumi: you mean the git clone command?

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: ?

[18:42] Gennifer Eros: Thats the one I use

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: but like i said make sure you use the new ini's

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: dont try to drop in your old ones

[18:42] Nebadon Izumi: there have been some changes made

[18:43] Richardus Raymaker: then i can try a blank one with unchanged ini files

[18:43] Nebadon Izumi: the database configuration has been moved into /config-include now

[18:43] Nebadon Izumi: in StandaloneCommon.ini

[18:43] Gennifer Eros: I extract mine into the docs folder then move it to the root so I never overwrite neb

[18:43] paulie Flomar is Offline

[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: cool

[18:44] Nebadon Izumi: that works

[18:44] Richardus Raymaker: downloading

[18:45] Gennifer Eros: My current version runs from a bin directory off the root and my sims here run from a 0.609 directory

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: but back on the topic of moving to 0.7 for osgrid, still no real ETA, we are working hard on it, few of the modules still dont work

[18:45] Gennifer Eros: 0.6.9 even

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: that are one of the things holding us up currently

[18:45] Nebadon Izumi: Groups and Profiles

[18:46] Nebadon Izumi: and some of the website stuff, but were chipping away at it

[18:46] Gennifer Eros: I have a freind working on those :)

[18:46] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, groups :(

[18:46] Gennifer Eros: He says he has groups more or less working now

[18:46] Nebadon Izumi: teleporting has me a bit concerned too

[18:46] Nebadon Izumi: but i think we can probably get that fixed before we switch

[18:46] Nebadon Izumi: when you teleport it seems to retain the parcel data from the previous sim you were in

[18:46] Nebadon Izumi: in about land

[18:46] Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: is he planning on publishing that work?

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: it also seems to maybe carry some permissions forward

[18:47] Gennifer Eros: Maybe :)

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: so like if build is enabled in the sim you came from

[18:47] Gennifer Eros: He is working for me lol

[18:47] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: that sounds like something melanie would fix

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: but not in the sim you land it might not be honoring it completely

[18:47] Richardus Raymaker: we really need groups the way its now. before the switch. else i think lots of things break for people

[18:47] Gennifer Eros: But yes if he does do it I will make it public

[18:47] Nebadon Izumi: there is an open mantis i just confirmed the other day

[18:47] Justin Clark-Casey: k

[18:47] Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: thanks. Is that with security intact?

[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: I think we have seen a module that made things work but ripped all the security out

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: actually i think they were just using a really old version Justin

[18:48] Richardus Raymaker: thats bad.

[18:48] Gennifer Eros: He says so yes and also a working currency module he said

[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: oh ok

[18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: nice - would be really good to see that

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: ya i did a diff and looking at it it looked like a very old version of groups

[18:48] Cuddles McCann: with 7.0.2 I'm getting 'unknown' in the region name in about land on both Cuddles' World and the college grid.

[18:48] Nebadon Izumi: alot of the stuff was just short circuited because it was so incomplete a the time

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: so basiclly it would just always work

[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: cuddles: haven't heard of that bug before

[18:49] Richardus Raymaker: hi ruben

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya well if you are running into bugs be sure to open mantis files

[18:49] Ruben Haan: hi :)

[18:49] Gennifer Eros: I see that here sometimes

[18:49] Nebadon Izumi: http://opensimulator.org/mantis

[18:49] Gennifer Eros: Evening ruben

[18:49] Mic Bowman: gotta go all..

[18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: bye mic

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: kk mic, thanks for stoping by

[18:50] Catharina Jacobus: oh hi to all of you :)

[18:50] Richardus Raymaker: and also close them if the are solved ^^

[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: hi catherina

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: one of these days ill get back over to sciencesim

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: sorry, catharina

[18:50] Gennifer Eros: Hello cat

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: well on another note

[18:50] Catharina Jacobus: :)

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: this sim is currently running ODE 11.1

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: ive been testing it here the last few days

[18:50] Gennifer Eros: ooooohhhh

[18:50] Richardus Raymaker: cool

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: happy to say it didnt crash yet

[18:50] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[18:51] Gennifer Eros: lol

[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: ssst

[18:51] Gennifer Eros: Famous last words?

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: this is the biggest load since i dropped the new ODE dll here

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: ive been testing it at my sandbox though

[18:51] Richardus Raymaker: possible the can drop it in 0.7 ?

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: its been doing great there

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: hang on

[18:51] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.onikenkon.com/ode

[18:51] Justin Clark-Casey: nice

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: i recompiled a new version couple days ag

[18:52] Justin Clark-Casey: I see no one is chucking balls around yet, though :)

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: from the ODE SVN

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: my racer was doing awesome on my sandbox

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: i was even driving it around here the other day

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: though this sims not the best for driving around in

[18:52] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[18:52] Justin Clark-Casey: very nice

[18:52] Gennifer Eros: lol

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ya, i did have some issues testing on win64 running in native x64 on windows

[18:53] Gennifer Eros: I always use vs 2008

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but thats not really that suprising

[18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but x86 windows and x86/64 linux work great with it

[18:53] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) e7e9e67: 2010-09-07 21:05:10 +0100 (Unix/Mono)

[18:54] Gennifer Eros: A stupid question neb but are you trying the new version on windoze or linux?

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: both

[18:54] Gennifer Eros: Ok

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: SeaPrior Plaza and Teravus Plaza are both running it also

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: as is This region

[18:54] Gennifer Eros: Well I only use windoze

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and OSgrid Welcome Station

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and OKC Sandbox

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and im also testing it on Danger Grid

[18:54] Nebadon Izumi: on Mayflower

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: so far not seen any ill effects

[18:55] Richardus Raymaker: for now the latest git from the url in chat start fine here nebadon. i go login now

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: but it needs alot more testing

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: and perhaps some more tweaking too

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: you may find some oddities

[18:55] Nebadon Izumi: but Revolution and Myself have gone over it quite a bit

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: you can see some of the things we commented out in the ode code in the compile notes

[18:56] Justin Clark-Casey: k. At some poitn we can update the master code version

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: to fix some wierd crashes in opensim

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: ya that would be great

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: id like to get Teravus to take a once over look too

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: but hes been really busy lately

[18:56] Richardus Raymaker: Version: OpenSim 0.7.1 Dev (interface version 6) only renamed the STandalonecOMMON.INI oops caps. did not changed anything here opensim starts fine

[18:56] Nebadon Izumi: but in the meantime no reason we cant test it independantly of core

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: but for now please dont file any mantis just yet

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: if you run into bugs let me know

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: but so far im pretty happy with results

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: my racer feels much smoother

[18:57] Nebadon Izumi: turning especially

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: though some of that also comes from the App Domain change to Xengine

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: for those who havent done that yet, i highly recommend that change also

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: in your [Xengine] section of OpenSim.ini

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: change AppDomainLoading = true

[18:58] Nebadon Izumi: to AppDomainLoading = false

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: you will use an insane less amount of ram and threads for xengine

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: all the plazas are on this setting now too

[18:59] Gennifer Eros: I save my driving for rl lol

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: and uptimes and memory consumption is a lot better

[18:59] Nebadon Izumi: show stats says this region is using 446mb

[18:59] Richardus Raymaker: its now already hard to hit the 350MB linit with RSS :) mono gives always memory back :O

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: top says 1gb

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: thats crazy

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[19:00] Richardus Raymaker: thats good

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: considering with AppDomainLoading = true

[19:00] Gennifer Eros: neb, want to pate the git url again save me typing it in

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: we would be using about 5gb ram right now

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: sure

[19:00] Gennifer Eros: paste*

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim

[19:00] Richardus Raymaker: sad news for you nebadon. the latest 0.7.1 started it again it still runs.

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: wierd

[19:00] Nebadon Izumi: i guess thats good though

[19:01] Nebadon Izumi: but i wonder why i cant get it too run