Chat log from the meeting on 2009-03-03



[11:10] sim core: In a few hours, so I hoped we could lower it's rate, maybe, ( if that's the reason now )

[11:10] Teravus Ousley: I *HIGHLY* doubt your j2kDecode folder is 3GB :)

[11:10] sim core: It only places the cache there,?

[11:10] Mark Spencer: that was fun ...

[11:10] Teravus Ousley: yep!

[11:10] sim core: Not at all in memory?

[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: heh browser crashed

[11:10] sim core: Hehe

[11:10] sim core: Because memory also gets swapped to disk

[11:10] Teravus Ousley: It keeps a small amount of those disk cache files in memory.. but look at the size of them ! :)

[11:11] sim core: K

[11:11] sim core: If you say so :-)

[11:11] Teravus Ousley: 500 bytes a piece or less :)

[11:11] Richardus Raymaker: top says with some regions virt 1.8 GB and mostly then its crashed

[11:11] sim core: Just mostly am surprised at all the j2kdecode console messages at times :-)

[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: running predecode prior to anyone logging in will make it smoother

[11:11] Nebadon Izumi: predecode-j2k

[11:11] sim core: Yes, I get to 1.8g then start crawling

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: 1.8gb what?

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: ram?

[11:12] Teravus Ousley: ah, yes. It does have to j2k decode avatar's skins for each avatar.

[11:12] sim core: Cached memory

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: oh you mean in Linux?

[11:12] sim core: Yes, I meant into cache

[11:12] sim core: OsX

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: ah

[11:12] Teravus Ousley: You might be more worried about the image cache.

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: thats a system setting

[11:12] sim core: Most people I talked to have the same problem, linux etc

[11:12] Teravus Ousley: as the image cache is a big consumer of memory

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: you can flush that

[11:12] Richardus Raymaker: top syas virtual 18GB memory

[11:13] sim core: I meant, the error messages

[11:13] Teravus Ousley: .. this is different from the j2k decode cache

[11:13] Nebadon Izumi: heh i have not seen that myself

[11:13] Richardus Raymaker: soorry virtual 1.8GB memory

[11:13] Nebadon Izumi: thats odd

[11:13] sim core: And a lot of decode console messages :-)

[11:13] Teravus Ousley: ah, the error messages you get are something that's been reported on.

[11:13] sim core: K

[11:13] sim core: Just tought it might also add to the cached virtual swapfile :-)

[11:13] Teravus Ousley: so far, we've not found a way to turn it off when you get those error messages that is 'exclusive'

[11:13] Richardus Raymaker: 27630 osgrid 20 0 866m 253m 17m S 25 6.5 508:29.02 mono 27786 osgrid 20 0 815m 212m 13m S 19 5.5 487:39.39 mono 27822 osgrid 20 0 878m 338m 16m S 16 8.7 401:51.46 mono 28028 osgrid 20 0 864m 231m 16m S 16 5.9 495:18.68 mono 27576 osgrid 20 0 605m 172m 16m S 14 4.4 260:33.98 mono 27983 osgrid 20 0 512m 98m 14m S 9 2.5 193:34.04 mono 27904 osgrid 20 0 666m 211m 11m S 8 5.4 141:55.77 mono 27948 osgrid 20 0 514m 101m 11m S 6 2.6 208:48.70 mono 4085 osgrid 20 0 553m 288m 21m S 5 7.4 14:36.14 mono 27860 osgrid 20 0 458m 101m 15m S 5 2.6 93:30.82 mono 4023 osgrid 20 0 329m 124m 20m S 3 3.2 4:42.52 mono 10169 osgrid 20 0 451m 162m 20m S 3 4.2 20:00.85 mono

[11:13] Richardus Raymaker: thats from my top in console

[11:14] sim core: What's that for, richardus?

[11:14] Richardus Raymaker: thats what opensim now use on my server

[11:14] Richardus Raymaker: linux users understand the table

[11:14] sim core: And what does it say :-)

[11:14] sim core: Fast, not fast?

[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: that does seem high

[11:15] Snowdrop Short: I don't, and I'm a linux user :-)

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: but likely the high memory use is probably meshing

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: and scripts

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: thats what i find uses the most

[11:15] sim core: They add up afterwards

[11:15] sim core: Script take about 256 megs, then after a few hours go to 1.8gigs...

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: ya, there is leaking for sure

[11:15] sim core: ( Not just scripts, but I meant it adds up a lot )

[11:16] Nebadon Izumi: big time leaking

[11:16] Nebadon Izumi: especially on mono

[11:16] Nebadon Izumi: mono is way worse than .net

[11:16] Richardus Raymaker: that will explain 1 region, there running some scripts. have maby 3 with scripts

[11:16] Charles Krinke: So, how can we divide and conquer from this point?

[11:16] sim core: Hum... maybe is there a way to figure out what information get stored in the cache, mostly?

[11:16] sim core: *Gets

[11:16] sim core: *Swap-file

[11:16] Nebadon Izumi: yea its more a mono issue

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: no opensim

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: mono is just wretched at GC

[11:17] sim core: K

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: it never lets go

[11:17] sim core: We'll see with 2.4 in a week

[11:17] Charles Krinke: Do we need to consider the "boehm-gc" patch again?

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: it doesnt help much

[11:17] Teravus Ousley: well, I also think we need to use less memory :D

[11:17] Charles Krinke: rats

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: and probably wont work with 2.2+

[11:17] sim core: HEhe, indeed, terravus

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: sure we do

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: but

[11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: might need to try running a profiler again

[11:18] Nebadon Izumi: the same region in Linux uses 1/2 ore more than less than 1/2 in .net on windows

[11:18] Justin Clark-Casey: perhaps there is something lightweight that won't kill mono very quickly

[11:18] Nebadon Izumi: so its not necesarrily OpenSim thats the entire problem

[11:18] Nebadon Izumi: though i agree we could probably do things better

[11:18] sim core nods

[11:18] Teravus Ousley: well.. if we reduced the image cache to less.. we'd reduce a lot of memory usage... but.. increase the load on the Grid

[11:18] sim core: That sounds a good thing to be able to throttle

[11:19] Justin Clark-Casey: to be honest, I would tend to think we are leaking somewhere. Mono might be less efficient in release memory than windows (though that's unknown) but it would release it rather than crash, I should think

[11:19] Teravus Ousley: Here's another thing Justin.

[11:19] Nebadon Izumi: i think mono just tends to use up all the memory before it can GC proper

[11:19] sim core: If there was a way to allow texture cache to be limited,

[11:19] Teravus Ousley: .. each user who comes to the simulator.. has up to 5 textures that get put in the asset cache

[11:19] Nebadon Izumi: then when it tries to GC its to late

[11:19] sim core: Especially for smaller servers

[11:19] Nebadon Izumi: there are no resources left

[11:20] Teravus Ousley: .. that would explain why .. the more users.. the more memory

[11:20] sim core: K, terravus, those are realleased for sure?

[11:20] sim core: *Released

[11:20] Teravus Ousley: .. that, of course, is not including 'attachments'

[11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: yes. Hmmmmm

[11:20] Teravus Ousley: sim core: after 24 hours.

[11:20] sim core: Ah

[11:20] sim core: Oh

[11:20] Nebadon Izumi: ya that makes sense

[11:20] sim core: Lol

[11:20] sim core: Why not immediatly?

[11:21] Nebadon Izumi: really though shortening the cache wouldnt put that much more load on the grid would it?

[11:21] Charles Krinke: more on memory? Should we go on when everyone ready?

[11:21] Teravus Ousley: I dunoo :) the approach is very generic. maybe it needs to be more speciallized?

[11:21] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: perhaps you could run show stats the next time you see the memory problem? That would at least tell us whether there is a lot of memory being taken up there

[11:21] sim core: Is the grid caching the textures or the servers?

[11:21] Nebadon Izumi: k

[11:21] Nebadon Izumi: though normally by the time i know its already sitting at bash

[11:21] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:21] Justin Clark-Casey: It shoudl be under ASSET STATISTICS. Yeah - it's a case of catching it at the right time :)

[11:22] Snowdrop Short: why not a two level cache on the sim, with a memory limit on the cache

[11:22] Snowdrop Short: based on mru

[11:22] sim core: Or adjusted by opensim.ini?

[11:22] Charles Krinke: Maybe do show statistics every hour or every 4 hours and look at the trend and see if anything jumps out?

[11:22] Snowdrop Short: maybe even three, with the asset server being the third level

[11:22] Richardus Raymaker: does that work good with more opensims on 1 system ?

[11:23] Justin Clark-Casey: Charles: Good ponit. In fact, if the asset cache is increasing too much the evidence is already in the logs

[11:23] sim core: I never had asset memory problems

[11:23] Justin Clark-Casey: since the stuff gets automatically printed out every hour (which I'm sure some people are cusring me for :)

[11:23] Nebadon Izumi: isnt the stats module realtime?

[11:23] Nebadon Izumi: http://nebadon2025.com/SStats

[11:23] sim core: I allways heard about server memory problems mostly :-)

[11:24] Charles Krinke: Justin. Not at all. I think the statistics are good for us.

[11:24] Teravus Ousley: Yes, but I don't think it reports on memory except in the log

[11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: Those are the real time ones that Teravus did - but I don't think the asset cache numbers come out there (?)

[11:24] Teravus Ousley: no, but it would be a good addition if anyone wants to add it :)

[11:24] Nebadon Izumi: oh not sure

[11:24] Teravus Ousley: just write another report.

[11:24] Nebadon Izumi: ya guess not hehe

[11:24] Teravus Ousley: :)

[11:24] sim core: :-J

[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: okay, so next time it crashes you just need to look through the log at the assert cache numbers

[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: Teravus: do you think there's infrastructure that could be more unified between a ll the stats stuff? I haven't done anything with the stuff I did for quite some time now

[11:25] Charles Krinke: Perhaps encourge several folks to mantis the last asset cache numbers after a region crash?

[11:25] Justin Clark-Casey: Charles: that would be good

[11:26] Justin Clark-Casey: if they saw massive memory usage before the crash

[11:26] Teravus Ousley: the reports are not that difficult to write really :D

[11:26] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.pastebin.ca/1352134

[11:27] Justin Clark-Casey: is that right now?

[11:27] Charles Krinke: Looks like everyone is on a roll. Lets just let this be "open to all questions"

[11:27] Teravus Ousley: They each have two parts. A data model and a Display model. :D

[11:27] Teravus Ousley: the controller is the webstats module.

[11:28] Teravus Ousley: .. so.. Model.. View.. Controller.. AKA.. MVC :D

[11:28] Nebadon Izumi: yes Justin

[11:28] Nebadon Izumi: thats right now

[11:28] Charles Krinke: Are we headed for the next tagged release this weekend? Anyone/everyone feeling comfortable about that?

[11:28] Richardus Raymaker: to bad opensim cannot run with wine. because .net

[11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: we don't have installers for the last release yet

[11:29] Teravus Ousley: Charles, I'm not sure I would until we can find out what the cause of the avatar error.

[11:30] Charles Krinke: k

[11:30] Teravus Ousley: the non-finite one.

[11:30] Richardus Raymaker: wich avatar error ? i think there more/

[11:30] Fly Man: Morning everyone

[11:30] Fly Man: Neb, you look like you're doing Yoga ...

[11:31] Justin Clark-Casey: Hello Fly-Man

[11:31] Fly Man: Hey Justin :)

[11:31] Richardus Raymaker: hi fly

[11:31] Fly Man: Welcome

[11:31] Nebadon Izumi: hey Fly-Man

[11:31] Charles Krinke: morning, Fly-Man

[11:31] Fly Man: Hey all :)

[11:31] Fly Man: (else I need to greet everyone in person) :p

[11:31] BlueWall Slade: Hello Fly Man

[11:31] Charles Krinke: Are we agreed on r8660 for this weeks "recommended" release? Any dissenting opinions?

[11:32] Fly Man: Nope

[11:32] Fly Man: 8660 runs nicely here

[11:32] Fly Man: only the ODE errors ...

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: yea i updated actually

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: testing MW's patch

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: well bluewall updated this server

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: i did the windows servers

[11:32] Justin Clark-Casey: which patch is that?

[11:32] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.3.8674 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False

[11:32] Charles Krinke: So, r8660 for "recommended" this week and we see where we are again next Tuesday before the meeting again.

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: 8673/4

[11:32] Fly Man: k

[11:32] Nebadon Izumi: user login patch

[11:33] Nebadon Izumi: for regions

[11:33] Fly Man: Neb, can you change the recommended on the loginscreen as well ?

[11:33] Nebadon Izumi: yea though its still valid whats there

[11:33] Nebadon Izumi: usually i only change it when its a cut off

[11:33] Nebadon Izumi: this one is not

[11:33] Mark Spencer: is that recommend or required as it always says on the osgrid page?

[11:33] Richardus Raymaker: i stay on my revision until isp fixed there created [problems

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: yea usually i do it for required levels

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: which actually has not changed

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: but i did post a new release for osgrid

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: for 8660

[11:34] Fly Man: :)

[11:34] Charles Krinke: Looks like 32GByte left on the drive where the assets table is stored this morning on OSGrid. Is Adam progressing with "Voldemort" ?

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: i think so

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: he had the conversion sped up nicely

[11:34] Nebadon Izumi: but not sure where we stand as of right now

[11:35] Nebadon Izumi: other than its going well

[11:35] Charles Krinke: I hope so. I see this cliff out in front of us with a biiiig dropoff

[11:35] Nebadon Izumi: hehe ya

[11:35] sim core: :-J

[11:35] Nebadon Izumi: i think we'll be ok

[11:35] Fly Man: Wheeeeeeee

[11:35] Fly Man: *POOF*

[11:35] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:35] Fly Man: That cliff you meant Charles ?

[11:35] Charles Krinke: Yep, thats the one.

[11:35] Fly Man: Hmm, hopefully not

[11:36] Charles Krinke: Would make it *really* really tough to argue interop if we didnt operate at all.

[11:37] Charles Krinke: While all the "pontificators" who have no "operating grid" do their naysayer impersonations.

[11:37] sim core wonders if there is a way to stop the hypergrid users from constantly displaying ",,,profile not found for user...", as it lops many thousands of times when once would be enough

[11:37] Charles Krinke: Perhaps see if there is a Mantis and create one if not, sim?

[11:38] Charles Krinke: thanks, Fly-Man. Guess I am only half-dressed as usual.

[11:38] Fly Man: Yw :)

[11:39] Fly Man: But I think the stability has been going up the wall

[11:39] Fly Man: these ODE errors are making regions instable ...

[11:39] Charles Krinke: Worrying more about operations then clothing I admit.

[11:39] Charles Krinke: Is the ODE issue related to scripting? If so, how do we seperate?

[11:40] Charles Krinke: Hey, Mw. Hello

[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: lol'

[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: hehehe

[11:40] Nebadon Izumi: block

[11:40] Teravus Ousley: :D

[11:40] Wright Juran-Mk2: hey

[11:41] Charles Krinke: Ok, what are our issues where testers can help the developers with more and better Mantis notes this week?

[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: oh hey MW how are ya

[11:41] Fly Man: I was hoping Teravus could tell us more about what's happening (if he has any idea)

[11:41] Nebadon Izumi: what ya think of the place ?

[11:41] Justin Clark-Casey: Wow, hello MW

[11:41] Teravus Ousley: I have not been following development too closely the last few weeks.. I had an operation that put me out of commision .. and then I had to catch up with work.

[11:42] Teravus Ousley: I'm still in the process of 'catching up'

[11:42] Charles Krinke: Nebadon. Can you demonstrate the big screens for Mw? I dont know if he has seen them recently or not.

[11:42] Wright Juran-Mk2: well my work has been on just refactoring things, done quite a bit of that, but no new features so if everything has gone as planned, the user won't notice anything

[11:43] Charles Krinke: We miss you in this meeting, Mw, but we try to muddle through bumbling and stumbling along the way. Especially me.

[11:44] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:44] Wright Juran-Mk2: yeah I can rarely make this meeting because of the time, its during family time and getting my children to bed/ready for bed

[11:45] Charles Krinke: Remember the first "Office Hour", Mw? On the blank Wright Plaza island? No physics or collisions? No scripts? All Ruth?

[11:45] Charles Krinke: Sept 2007, I believe it was

[11:45] Wright Juran-Mk2: yup but hey we could walk around. and didn't bounce around. So have we really progressed ? ;)

[11:45] Nebadon Izumi: we'll have to have a Wright Plaza birthday party in september

[11:46] Fly Man: Ghehe

[11:46] sim core: And like allways, there is the oar property line save that would be nice :-D

[11:46] Fly Man: Now I know where the Plaza got his name ;)

[11:46] Teravus Ousley: do we feel sufficiently happy with the results 2 years later?

[11:46] Charles Krinke: And then Nebadon built this building and put the first pathway's around it.

[11:46] sim core: Other than that, great job all the developers! :-)

[11:47] Charles Krinke: Well, its a collaboration. Without folks to use OpenSim, there would be no motivation or point in improving it.

[11:47] Wright Juran-Mk2: I remember some of our early physics tests on here, fire cannon firing hippos etc

[11:47] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:47] BlueWall Slade wonders what 2 more years will bring :)

[11:47] sim core: Smell-open-vision., maybe :-J

[11:47] Teravus Ousley: well, from this point on.. I think imagination will rule the direction of development

[11:47] Charles Krinke: An F-16 flying through a FarGate to drop a bomb containing "reasonable" gas on Fortrerra HQ?

[11:48] Mark Spencer: as a noob here with regions for the first time, let me say you guys have done an amazing job

[11:48] Teravus Ousley: We've got most of the features.. we set out to implement.. completed in some form or another.

[11:48] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, what's wrong with Forterra?

[11:48] Charles Krinke: Mark. Find the newstand outside and start reading the weekly newspaper

[11:48] Justin Clark-Casey: we're still missing group support :) - and a few other bits and bobs.

[11:49] Justin Clark-Casey: if one wants to produce a Second Life clone ;)

[11:49] Teravus Ousley: only because.. it's out of scope..

[11:49] sim core: I think I could manage prim group use, speaking for myself

[11:49] Teravus Ousley: just like we're missing currency.. because it's out of scope

[11:49] Wright Juran-Mk2: yes we haven't got our SL clone yet ;)

[11:49] sim core: MEaning groups are good, but can be scripted in a way

[11:49] Justin Clark-Casey: Teravus: Group is out of scope?

[11:50] Teravus Ousley: well, that's the reason why I have not developed it beyond the reference module... because I thought it was out of scope.. not diverse enough.

[11:50] Mark Spencer: Charles, thanks - I read Justin's neat summary blog every week

[11:51] Charles Krinke: oh gosh, Is there any way to encourage group development then? Perhaps through the forge?

[11:51] Mark Spencer: thanks Justin :>

[11:51] Justin Clark-Casey: I dunno - it' doesn't seem to me to be much different in that respect from a lot of hte other stuff that has been done

[11:51] Teravus Ousley: Groups mean many different things in many different virtual worlds.

[11:51] Wright Juran-Mk2: I personally think ideally they wouldn't be in core, but then I feel that way about a lot of things ;), so when we look at other things in core, I guess there is a case for having them there. Money is certainly out of scope

[11:51] Justin Clark-Casey: Mark: you're welcome

[11:51] BlueWall Slade: there are projects on the forge for groups and currency

[11:51] sim core: Voice could be next

[11:52] Charles Krinke: How can we get some traction and momentum on the forge groups project?

[11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: we're also still missing the ability to take groups of objects into inventory as non-lniked groups

[11:52] BlueWall Slade: DTL is developing it

[11:52] Teravus Ousley: well, find people interested in working on it.. and submit patches :D. Use it on your opensimulator instance.

[11:52] BlueWall Slade: avatars link weirdly too

[11:52] Teravus Ousley: there's nothing wrong with downloading it and compiling it and putting it in your bin folder :D

[11:53] sim core: Wich mosule?

[11:53] sim core: *Module

[11:53] Teravus Ousley: the SL Style group module

[11:53] sim core: K

[11:53] Wright Juran-Mk2: +1 Teravus, lets start using that model for all the other parts as well, and throwing things out of svn and onto forge ;)

[11:54] Teravus Ousley: well, here's the thing

[11:55] Teravus Ousley: the person who takes it out of SVN and into forge becomes the maintainer and it's their job to ensure that it works with OpenSimulator through it's common API changes.

[11:55] Wright Juran-Mk2: I'm only joking, in the long term I want to see a lot of things moved out of core, but short term we aren't ready for that

[11:55] Wright Juran-Mk2: yup we need stable API's first

[11:55] Teravus Ousley: so, if you do that.. it's a big responsibility :D

[11:55] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.3.8674 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:False

[11:56] Snowdrop Short: right ..

[11:56] Snowdrop Short: I'm off to the classes

[11:56] sim core: See-you, snow :-)

[11:56] Charles Krinke: thanks for coming, Showdrop

[11:56] Teravus Ousley: yep. I'm going to depart in 4 minutes also. have some work to finish before my next meetin'

[11:57] Snowdrop Short: is metaversity down?

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: checking

[11:57] Charles Krinke: To me, any week that "Wright Plaza" survives Office Hour is a good reliability and stability test.

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: someone beat me to it

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: its coming up

[11:57] BlueWall Slade: I just stared ti

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:57] Snowdrop Short: great .. thanks

[11:57] BlueWall Slade: was it upgrading?

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: ya sorry

[11:57] Wright Juran-Mk2: btw does anyone feel like writing some wiki documentation on the new ini folder support? or do we know anyone who does? I suck at writing end user docs

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: meeting disrupted it

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: i forgot

[11:57] Fly Man: Wright, Yes

[11:57] BlueWall Slade: we'll finish it after the class

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: it was ready though

[11:57] Nebadon Izumi: nah its done

[11:57] BlueWall Slade: ohh, ok

[11:58] Nebadon Izumi: it just needed starting

[11:58] BlueWall Slade: thanks

[11:58] Fly Man: Wright, ask our new Wiki Hour Person :)

[11:58] BlueWall Slade: I have, yet, to try out the now ini setup

[11:58] Charles Krinke: Mw. We need a few clues. Sometimes a post on the mailing list or an IRC conversation with encouragment and one little example helps get a mini-project off the ground.

[11:58] BlueWall Slade: -new-

[11:59] BlueWall Slade: it sounds simple enough

[11:59] Wright Juran-Mk2: yeah I know, I'm going to post to the mailing list, but I also meant working with me to write the wiki pages

[11:59] BlueWall Slade: I wonder how hard it will be to maintain all the pieces

[11:59] Charles Krinke: BlueWall: Perhaps pick someone from the IRC community and see if you can just mentor them to move forward? Thus amplifying our efforts?

[12:00] BlueWall Slade: ok

[12:00] Nebadon Izumi: did you guys notice the big map

[12:00] Nebadon Izumi: that updates every 3 hours

[12:01] Nebadon Izumi: i made a seadragon project

[12:01] Mark Spencer: where neb?

[12:01] Teravus Ousley: see ya later :D

[12:01] Nebadon Izumi: http://nebadon2025.sytes.net/osoperator/seadragon/seadragonajax.html

[12:01] Mark Spencer: ta

[12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: alright, I'm going to go too and wonder what I'm gonig to do about this damn tar filename limitation

[12:01] Nebadon Izumi: you can deep zoom on historic snapshots of the grid

[12:01] Nebadon Izumi: im going to make more of these

[12:01] Nebadon Izumi: differnt setups

[12:02] Justin Clark-Casey: bye folks

[12:02] Nebadon Izumi: later justin thanks for coming man

[12:02] Nebadon Izumi: :)

[12:03] Nebadon Izumi: so good meeting

[12:03] sim core: Yes, thank-you for having me :-)

[12:03] Wright Juran-Mk2: see you later Justin

[12:03] Fly Man: nebadon:

[12:03] Nebadon Izumi: ya anything anyone else want to talke about?

[12:03] sim core: Bye, justin and all :-)

[12:03] Nebadon Izumi: whuzup Flyman

[12:03] Fly Man: I'm have a talk with the Mono ppl

[12:03] Nebadon Izumi: nice

[12:04] Fly Man: and they don't like the way we compile Mono from scratch ;)

[12:04] Fly Man P

[12:04] Charles Krinke: Ok, I need to go also. Good meeting.

[12:04] Richardus Raymaker: i builded mono daily on ubuntu vps.

[12:04] Richardus Raymaker: bye charles

[12:04] BlueWall Slade: what would they have us do?

[12:04] Nebadon Izumi: ok what do they suggest we do?

[12:04] Nebadon Izumi: im willing to try whatever

[12:04] Nebadon Izumi: ive tried how they suggest in their instructions

[12:04] Nebadon Izumi: and its the same

[12:05] Fly Man: Nebadon, I'll give them the link to the forum

[12:05] Fly Man: and see if they have suggestions

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: ok

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: i'll try anything at this point

[12:05] Wright Juran-Mk2: try windows ? :)

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: well we do most of our plazas are on windows

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: but still

[12:05] Nebadon Izumi: Windows is to expensive

[12:06] Nebadon Izumi: we need linux to work good

[12:06] Richardus Raymaker: windows.. (whispers omg>

[12:06] Wright Juran-Mk2: yeah

[12:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[12:06] Richardus Raymaker: if you like stress, use windows.

[12:06] Nebadon Izumi: its not realistic to run a linden style grid on windows

[12:06] BlueWall Slade: heh, I don't have windows - so I hope we have Linux

[12:06] Wright Juran-Mk2: port opensim to c++

[12:07] Fly Man: Good

[12:07] Fly Man: they're gonna have a look at the page

[12:07] Nebadon Izumi: cool

[12:07] Nebadon Izumi: ya i hope they have some good suggetsions

[12:07] Nebadon Izumi: something needs to happen

[12:07] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[12:07] Fly Man: Well, they're the experts ;)

[12:07] Fly Man: So let's see what they think of it

[12:07] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[12:08] Nebadon Izumi: thats great they are even looking

[12:08] Richardus Raymaker: wrigt juran ,, yes :)

[12:08] Fly Man: Well, yeah

[12:08] Fly Man: some comments they already had:

[12:08] Fly Man: why are you building with large-heap

[12:08] Fly Man: and why are you forcing the tls to pthread

[12:08] Fly Man: and building with monolite is a developer-only feature you should not be using

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: well from my testing it works better

[12:09] Fly Man: all 3 of those things are wrong

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: but ive tried with and without

[12:09] Wright Juran-Mk2: noooo I was only joking. I guess someone might do that, but I see no need. And opensim wouldn't exist if we had started off in c++

[12:09] Fly Man: are you on a 64-bit kernel?

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: and the results are virtually identicaly

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: statisticly speaking

[12:09] Fly Man: how much ram do you have?

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: no

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: 32 bit OS

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: 4gb ram

[12:09] Fly Man: Yeah, that's what I said as well ;)

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: GC seems less harsh

[12:09] Fly Man: But they'll have a look at it

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: when you compile that way

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: thats why we do it

[12:09] Nebadon Izumi: you can tell them

[12:10] Fly Man: Ahhh

[12:10] Fly Man: I can stand again :p

[12:10] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[12:10] Fly Man: But nebadon, got room for 1 more region on your own server ?

[12:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[12:10] Nebadon Izumi: why

[12:10] Nebadon Izumi: whats up

[12:11] Nebadon Izumi: i have a server actually shut off

[12:11] Nebadon Izumi: doing nothing

[12:11] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[12:11] Wright Juran-Mk2: okay I have to go, bye everyone

[12:12] Nebadon Izumi: later MW

[12:12] Fly Man: Nite wright

[12:12] Nebadon Izumi: thanks for coming

[12:12] Mark Spencer: me2

[12:12] Nebadon Izumi: ok well thanks for coming everyone

[12:12] Nebadon Izumi: good time