Chat log from the meeting on 2009-05-05



Visitor List:

Nebadon Izumi

Ideia Boa

Master Dubrovna

OtakuMegane Desu

Aramis Soren

Kitto Flora

tx Oh

Bri Hasp

Justin Clark-Casey

Tumble Stone

Richardus Raymaker

Static Sprocket

Starky Rubble

BlueWall Slade

Charles Krinke

Teravus Ousley

Strawberry Fride

Gaspar Roux

Fly Man

Snoopy Pfeffer

Zohnar Yifu

Tiffany Sicling

Chris D

paulie Flomar

Kiro Dragoon

eaglefx Binder

Melanie Milland

Mic Bowman

M1sha Dallin

ARADTech KoolKam

elsje steins

Florian Schleuppner

Arnout Sequent

Woutch Verstraeten

Total = 33

[09:57] Connected

[09:58] Nebadon Izumi: hello bri

[09:59] Bri Hasp: Hi

[09:59] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[09:59] Connected

[09:59] Richardus Raymaker is Online

[09:59] Bri Hasp: wow this place Rez's fast

[09:59] Justin Clark-Casey is Online

[10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Offline

[10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Offline

[10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Online

[10:00] Justin Clark-Casey: hello good burgers of osgrid

[10:00] Justin Clark-Casey: er, burghers

[10:00] tx Oh: moin

[10:00] Aramis Soren: hehe burghermeister meisterburger

[10:00] Bri Hasp: :) g'day Mr JCC

[10:00] Richardus Raymaker is Online

[10:00] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[10:00] Connected

[10:01] Nebadon Izumi: hey Justin

[10:01] Justin Clark-Casey: things feel pretty snappy today

[10:01] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[10:01] Nebadon Izumi: things have been holding up pretty well on this revision

[10:01] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.4.9395 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True

[10:01] Bri Hasp: I see 9395

[10:01] Tumble Stone: hi all

[10:01] Nebadon Izumi: hello

[10:01] Kitto Flora: Wow.. Fedora lives?

[10:02] Aramis Soren: hi tumble

[10:02] Justin Clark-Casey: hello Tumble

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: yes we run Fedora here

[10:02] tx Oh: huhu

[10:02] Richardus Raymaker: hi justin, nebadon

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: Fedora and Suse are very similar

[10:02] BlueWall Slade is Offline

[10:02] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[10:02] Connected

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: Charles prefers Fedora

[10:02] Justin Clark-Casey: Hi Richardus

[10:02] Bri Hasp: 95 is so good I am afraid of movingi

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: i dont mind either way

[10:02] Bri Hasp: hehe

[10:03] Richardus Raymaker: why do i see more problems with connecting to region. last days. it seems to hang there. sometimes it proceed. or its justin terrible slow sometimes at that point ?

[10:03] BlueWall Slade is Online

[10:03] Richardus Raymaker: hi bri

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: make sure your either at 9362

[10:03] Kitto Flora: Maybe I should go back to Fedora

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: or 9395

[10:03] Charles Krinke is Online

[10:03] Bri Hasp: Hi Richard

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: anything else probably wont run well

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: i will only really certify 9395 today

[10:03] Teravus Ousley is Online

[10:03] Justin Clark-Casey wonders if that was a deliberate reference to him

[10:03] Charles Krinke: Morning

[10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: hello Charles

[10:03] Richardus Raymaker: im at 9405. that seems to be a bit ok. where just on zauis plaza. there my viewer crashed to

[10:03] Kitto Flora: Do vehicles crash it?

[10:03] BlueWall Slade: g'morning

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: i suggest changing to that version at your soonest convienence

[10:04] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[10:04] Connected

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: deends on the vehicle

[10:04] Richardus Raymaker: hi kitto

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: depends

[10:04] Kitto Flora: I hears

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: i hear people :)

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: unfortunatly i was moving wires last night

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: and my mic is unhooked

[10:04] Richardus Raymaker: to who do you talk nebadon ?

[10:04] Nebadon Izumi: i havent fixed it yet

[10:04] Justin Clark-Casey: Should we keep the main chat on text and just keep voice as a back channel?

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: yea i think so

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: ok to test voice

[10:05] Static Sprocket: +1 text chat

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: but lets keep the meeting going here

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: so i can log what we say easier

[10:05] Snoopy Pfeffer is Offline

[10:05] Justin Clark-Casey: OK

[10:05] Bri Hasp: amen

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: im gonna have to hire a court stenographer

[10:05] Richardus Raymaker: chat will always be number 1. vice is a futere. to use sometimes

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: hello

[10:05] Aramis Soren: or have a dragon translate the speech log hehe

[10:05] BlueWall Slade: Hello

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm always hoping that vice is in my future

[10:06] Richardus Raymaker: where not happy with 9362 and 9395

[10:06] Kitto Flora: Will speakers be known as the vice squad?

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey smiles

[10:07] Charles Krinke: Do we hold at last weeks "recommended" for this week and not advance? Remember, the "recommended" is *mostly* for those that dont want to be sacrificied on the bleeding edge.

[10:07] Fly Man is Online

[10:07] Kitto Flora: Yes ducks

[10:07] Richardus Raymaker: gosh. it works. hi snoopy

[10:07] Kitto Flora: Who's the bird?

[10:07] tx Oh: there is a buzz

[10:07] Strawberry Fride: tweet

[10:07] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[10:07] Nebadon Izumi: try not to lock your mics

[10:07] Nebadon Izumi: if you can

[10:07] Richardus Raymaker: better a buzz then a bug

[10:07] Nebadon Izumi: use the toggle

[10:07] Kitto Flora: Hum

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: thanks

[10:08] Kitto Flora: fixed

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: :)

[10:08] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: 9395 feels like a good recommended, at least to me

[10:08] Bri Hasp: chirp... mutes

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya the best thing to do

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: is go to preferences

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: and set your middle mouse button

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: to act as a toggle

[10:08] Strawberry Fride: lol

[10:08] Kitto Flora: the first me has hum

[10:08] Fly Man: Boo

[10:08] Chris D is Online

[10:08] tx Oh: also with feedback

[10:08] Charles Krinke: Nebadon, others, any objections to "9395" for this weeks "recommended" ??

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: no objections

[10:08] Kitto Flora: Lost ground on Mic

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi: there it goes

[10:08] Fly Man: is the buzz gone now ?

[10:08] Nebadon Izumi whispers: :)

[10:09] Kitto Flora: Gone

[10:09] Fly Man: is it back now ?

[10:09] Kitto Flora: back

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:09] Richardus Raymaker: something worked not nice for me with linked prim sets. or i where not slow enough

[10:09] tx Oh: back

[10:09] Fly Man: k

[10:09] Starky Rubble: RiRa?

[10:09] Fly Man: then it's me

[10:09] Fly Man: let me refresh

[10:09] Charles Krinke: good grief. I see I need a shave after getting this skin, Nebadon.

[10:09] Kitto Flora: fly has loose joints

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:09] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: the unlink stuff was reworked by Melanie recently

[10:09] Richardus Raymaker: hi starky

[10:09] BlueWall Slade: Fly Man hs a buz

[10:09] Fly Man: Fly man has a broke leg ;)

[10:09] Charles Krinke: first time I looked at my front

[10:09] Fly Man: brb

[10:09] Starky Rubble: Ah

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi: told you, you had a nice stache

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:10] Charles Krinke: Ok. Objections to "9395" for this weeks "recommended" ??

[10:10] Snoopy Pfeffer is Online

[10:10] Strawberry Fride: osgridon a Samsung NC10 is somewhat slow... to say th least :)

[10:10] Fly Man: 9395 ?

[10:10] Richardus Raymaker: wich version justin. im for now happy with 9405

[10:10] Nebadon Izumi: im very happy with 9395 for this week

[10:10] Fly Man: I'm more happy with the one that fixed it all

[10:10] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: it will definitely be in your build

[10:10] Fly Man is Offline

[10:10] Chris D is Online

[10:10] Nebadon Izumi: were on 9395 here

[10:10] Nebadon Izumi: thats the one

[10:10] Charles Krinke: Justin likes "9395". Other versions? Lets just pick one and go one.

[10:10] Nebadon Izumi: thats where everyone seems to be most happy

[10:10] Snoopy Pfeffer: hi :)

[10:10] Richardus Raymaker: i agree 9395 is not bad one

[10:10] Bri Hasp: 9395 solid

[10:11] Strawberry Fride: good to know

[10:11] Fly Man is Online

[10:11] Nebadon Izumi: yea dont be afraid to test

[10:11] Charles Krinke: 9405? Going once?

[10:11] Nebadon Izumi: if things go haywire

[10:11] Nebadon Izumi: 9405?

[10:11] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know how much ive tested that

[10:12] Starky Rubble: I like 395

[10:12] Bri Hasp: 9395 the math for boats is good.. only valid we have checked

[10:12] Fly Man: 9405

[10:12] Justin Clark-Casey: my opinion is just 9395 since it seems pretty okay here

[10:12] Charles Krinke: It doesnt matter very much. Its only a week's recommendation.

[10:12] Nebadon Izumi: i havent tested 9405

[10:12] Richardus Raymaker: go for 9295

[10:12] Bri Hasp: nor us

[10:12] Nebadon Izumi: im still pretty much holding back

[10:12] Richardus Raymaker: oops 9395

[10:12] OtakuMegane Desu: Probably just go with 9395 and be done with it then

[10:12] Charles Krinke: lets just do 9395 and go on.

[10:12] OtakuMegane Desu: Builds seem to be coming so fast now...

[10:12] Nebadon Izumi: okie dokie

[10:12] Fly Man: 9395 is the one that had the fix with MTU in it ?

[10:12] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:13] tx Oh: ys

[10:13] Nebadon Izumi: 9395 has alot of good reports to me

[10:13] Nebadon Izumi: yea probably not, though

[10:13] Bri Hasp: and arctan is sane

[10:13] Nebadon Izumi: i had some issues in the 9400 zone

[10:13] Nebadon Izumi: and i actually reverted

[10:13] Fly Man: Yupz

[10:13] Fly Man: 9395 recommended

[10:13] Fly Man: if that is the one that had the MTUsettings

[10:13] Richardus Raymaker: easy week for nebadon. thats already on website

[10:13] Nebadon Izumi: yes it is

[10:13] Fly Man: then it's the good one

[10:14] Charles Krinke: Ok, next step. "What are the things that developers need to make their lives easier or to make any announcements or ask questions?"

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: were going to miss a day this week anyway

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: starting tonight

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: so we'll resume testing of newer revs on the weekend

[10:14] paulie Flomar is Online

[10:14] Justin Clark-Casey: I would like to ask if people's general experience of 9395 is pretty good. It sounds like it

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: and im sure next tuesday we'll be moving forward

[10:14] Charles Krinke: ah, good point. OSGrid is going to have a asset-ectomy tonight

[10:14] OtakuMegane Desu: Lol

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:14] Nebadon Izumi: yea the conversion begins at 1am tonight PST

[10:14] Bri Hasp: (old Linden flu Wednesday in bed)

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: will last up to 24 hours

[10:15] Gaspar Roux: +1 for 9395

[10:15] Strawberry Fride: good luck osgrid!

[10:15] Chris D is Online

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: we have tested it a lot

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: and expect it to go very smooth

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: 1.6 million assets already converted

[10:15] Charles Krinke: the patient should be in ICU and taking fluids by this time tomorrow.

[10:15] OtakuMegane Desu: Nah, I have confidence in yu guys doing database work.

[10:15] Kitto Flora: Hums

[10:15] tx Oh: buzz

[10:15] OtakuMegane Desu: NOw if it was LL...

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: cable beach server was tested yesterday

[10:15] tx Oh: yes

[10:15] Static Sprocket: Should regions be taken offline?

[10:15] Kitto Flora: will the grid restart with a colostomy bag?

[10:15] Fly Man: Yes

[10:15] Nebadon Izumi: we through our best load at it

[10:15] Fly Man: Please close down all instances

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:16] Fly Man: before 1:00 AM

[10:16] Static Sprocket: Well, region coordinates be preserved?

[10:16] OtakuMegane Desu: Will grid spots be reserved, though?

[10:16] Fly Man: Yeah

[10:16] Fly Man: Close down all regions

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: the transition was rough

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: but at 9395 ive seen great improvements

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: this are really much faster

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: less memory usage

[10:16] Charles Krinke: Ok, question from Justin and others: "What are the problems testers have been seeing in the last week?"

[10:16] paulie Flomar: Howdeh!

[10:16] Justin Clark-Casey: so everything seems pretty stable for people? No funny stuff happening like bomb craters?

[10:16] Nebadon Izumi: i even saw some people reporting mono showing drops in memory usage over time

[10:17] tx Oh: yes, still leaking but not that fast

[10:17] Nebadon Izumi: no doubt as our packet handling improves

[10:17] Tiffany Sicling: 2.5 not leaking as bad as 2.0.1 my experience

[10:17] Nebadon Izumi: mono will complain a lot less

[10:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: do you use monoe 2.5 Neb?

[10:17] paulie Flomar: I'm experiencing TP issues with one of my regions. I can not TP to it. Problem is maybe local.

[10:17] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:17] Charles Krinke: Are we in agreement on which mono version is the "recommended" (he said while heading for the door)

[10:17] Nebadon Izumi: infact this region is running mono 2.5

[10:17] Nebadon Izumi: right now

[10:17] Fly Man: 2.0.1 will work

[10:17] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.4.9395 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True

[10:17] OtakuMegane Desu: I'm running 2.5 too

[10:17] OtakuMegane Desu: It's nice

[10:17] Fly Man: until end of may

[10:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes I also see that memory management is much better

[10:17] paulie Flomar: Im on 2.01, which many have told me is suxors.

[10:17] Fly Man: then VS2005 is going down the drainage

[10:17] Charles Krinke: Anyone *not* able to get mono-2.5 to work?

[10:18] paulie Flomar: But I havent moved. :)

[10:18] Justin Clark-Casey: anybody experienced trampoline problems with 2.5? I believe it is prone to that

[10:18] tx Oh: i also use 2.5

[10:18] Richardus Raymaker: i run mono 2.4

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: we have not recently Justin

[10:18] Bri Hasp: 2.4 seems stable (for Mono)

[10:18] Fly Man: Yes

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: this region was trampoling 10 times a day on 2.4

[10:18] OtakuMegane Desu: Only trampoline occurrence I've had on my sims is when falling from several thousdand meters

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: and early 2.5

[10:18] Bri Hasp: leaks are tolerable

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: but the current SVN has not ever trampolined yet

[10:18] Snoopy Pfeffer: play with the max thread number to get rid of the trampoline bug

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: only in early revs

[10:18] OtakuMegane Desu: And I think that's just physics maybe

[10:18] BlueWall Slade: 2.2/2.4

[10:18] Kitto Flora: I havea problem with MONO 2.5 - but its likely specific to my development syste,

[10:18] Zohnar Yifu: iv bounced a few times even here in WRight which is were i saw the worst

[10:18] Snoopy Pfeffer: too big ans too small is bad

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: the current SVN daily

[10:18] Fly Man: trampolines are on 2.4

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: is very stable

[10:18] Snoopy Pfeffer: 80 is good for me

[10:18] Richardus Raymaker: i have not seen trampolines

[10:18] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[10:19] Tiffany Sicling: I've trampolined with 2.5 when my high-prim hair is attached

[10:19] tx Oh: my hypergrid standalone on my tv settop works with 1.9.1

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: i wont say 2.5 is perfect

[10:19] paulie Flomar: no trampolines on 2.01

[10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: so, nobody been epxerience trampolining on 2.5?

[10:19] BlueWall Slade: 2.5 has worked very good on the plazas

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: but tramplines seem to have subsided

[10:19] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol

[10:19] paulie Flomar: yes, clarify tramping.

[10:19] Fly Man: Trampolining: The way a avatar is going up and down

[10:19] Strawberry Fride: I have not much cue, but assume it's a linux/mono thing

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: no

[10:19] Fly Man: whle it's not jumping

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: its memory

[10:19] OtakuMegane Desu: 2.5 not perfect no, but I've had fewer p [roblems than I did on 2.01

[10:19] OtakuMegane Desu: And much faster

[10:19] Nebadon Izumi: it relates to memory

[10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: By trampolining, we mean the throwing of execptions on the command line, often at startup

[10:19] Zohnar Yifu: i have trampolined here on wright earlyer today. allmost ramed me into a roof

[10:19] Snoopy Pfeffer: it's a very weired error message lol

[10:19] Tiffany Sicling: ok, no trampolining vertical, but horizontal for me only with my hair on

[10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: the assertion mentions mini-trampoline.c (a C file), hence the name

[10:19] paulie Flomar: error messages occur on tramping?

[10:20] Starky Rubble: Trampolining is unexpected and strange bounciness on the ground when walking

[10:20] Justin Clark-Casey: noooo, not bounciness!:)

[10:20] Starky Rubble: Oh?

[10:20] Nebadon Izumi: http://mono-project.com/Mono:Runtime:Documentation:Trampolines

[10:20] Nebadon Izumi: have a read

[10:20] Nebadon Izumi: :)

[10:20] Richardus Raymaker: remobve the springs from your shoes starky

[10:20] OtakuMegane Desu: The lbsa sign is beginning to get addictive for me

[10:20] Starky Rubble: extreme boinginess?

[10:20] Aramis Soren: while tramping is expected strange bounciness in late nite clubs

[10:20] Strawberry Fride: cool :)

[10:20] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes Rich :)

[10:21] BlueWall Slade: It seems to happen when mono gets into swap

[10:21] Zohnar Yifu: iv been using C# express for my servers

[10:21] Fly Man: But a quick Q for all those ppl that have regions up right now:

[10:21] Fly Man: What's the Quick version on your region now ?

[10:21] Richardus Raymaker: i have last time swapped 1GB. and no trampoline sofar i have seen

[10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: Nebadon: Which version of mono is running on here?

[10:21] Snoopy Pfeffer: I see it when many scripts are loaded on sims with many scripts

[10:21] Charles Krinke: Ok, getting to the next item more quickly today: "What are the things that testers need from developers to make thier lives easier?"

[10:21] paulie Flomar: r9416

[10:21] OtakuMegane Desu: r9410

[10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: Snoopy: yes, that's when I see it too

[10:22] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[10:22] Connected

[10:22] Aramis Soren: 8744 and 9340 :P

[10:22] Justin Clark-Casey: although possibly code changes have actually alleviated it, now I think about it

[10:22] Snoopy Pfeffer: but with 80 threads it's perfect

[10:22] Fly Man: Paulie, Okatan, Aramis: Why aren't you on 9332 or higher ?

[10:22] Starky Rubble: 9395

[10:22] Justin Clark-Casey: so not to disrupt Charles too much, but has anybody seen tramplining with code in the last week at all?

[10:22] Aramis Soren: cause it broke last time i tried lol

[10:22] Tiffany Sicling: none

[10:22] Nebadon Izumi: i think at the pace were moving

[10:22] Nebadon Izumi: i can only say its working well

[10:22] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:22] paulie Flomar: FM, I stay as close to HEAD as I can. Just for the lulz.

[10:23] Strawberry Fride: :)

[10:23] Fly Man: K

[10:23] paulie Flomar: Im on 9416

[10:23] Bri Hasp: 9395 and Net are happy

[10:23] Fly Man: would everyone be able to upgrade to 9395 asap before 1 AM this evening ?

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya thats possible

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: i cant say for sure if mono or opensim fixed it

[10:23] tx Oh: i havnt mini trampolins since a whi;e

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: mono is C#

[10:23] Snoopy Pfeffer: I think that problem is caused my mono threading or memory management

[10:23] Tiffany Sicling: yes

[10:23] Fly Man: No

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: no

[10:23] Richardus Raymaker: 9395 flyman or 9395+ ?

[10:23] tx Oh: yes, there is no c# on linux

[10:23] Snoopy Pfeffer: so it depends on the version you use

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: .net is superior

[10:23] Nebadon Izumi: on windows

[10:24] Fly Man: C# is better on Windows

[10:24] paulie Flomar: FM, HEAD is 9429.

[10:24] Nebadon Izumi: .net and mono are both C#

[10:24] Fly Man: Using the System.NET things is C# better

[10:24] Charles Krinke: I want to say that there appear to be some significant re-factoring coming down soon and we need toallow our devs the freedome to make breaking changes and have good cheer.

[10:24] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:24] Fly Man: Mono is Linux way of talking .NET

[10:24] Richardus Raymaker: i hav enot found a newer mono then 2.4 for suse.

[10:24] paulie Flomar: Devs havd good Cher?

[10:24] Nebadon Izumi: its come quite a long way mono

[10:24] Richardus Raymaker: and ubuntu. sorry

[10:25] Nebadon Izumi: and im sure it will improve much more

[10:25] Nebadon Izumi: oh were not talking about flyuing up

[10:25] Snoopy Pfeffer: Rich you need to compile te newest mono versions yourself

[10:25] Nebadon Izumi: trampoline is a crash on the console

[10:25] Fly Man: th Wold

[10:25] Nebadon Izumi: that mono spews

[10:25] Fly Man: Wolf next ti Richardus

[10:25] Richardus Raymaker: i only know the daily or mono 2.4 snoopy

[10:25] Bri Hasp: sighs.. after laste week of odd errors from compiles to runs.. 95 is hard to leave

[10:25] paulie Flomar whispers: Isee Zohnar.

[10:25] Bri Hasp: references etc

[10:25] Fly Man: I'm not even guessing

[10:25] paulie Flomar: I see teh Zohnar.

[10:25] Nebadon Izumi: i see on the couch

[10:26] Fly Man: K

[10:26] Fly Man: But to make sure:

[10:26] Tiffany Sicling: for some reason I cannot run screen anymore, it spews a lot of crap over and over

[10:26] Maria Korolov is Online

[10:26] Nebadon Izumi: Justin i have not seen it in some time

[10:26] Nebadon Izumi: weeks probably

[10:26] paulie Flomar: Is anyone else still on MOno 2.01?

[10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, the situation will become clearer over time I should think

[10:26] Fly Man: "Can everyone make sure that they have 9395 this evening before 1:00 AM ?"

[10:26] Nebadon Izumi: ya you need post stand

[10:26] Kitto Flora: It appears that the Ubuntu guys reckon that MONO is too unstable to deal with :/

[10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm still on mono 2.0.1 personally on everything

[10:26] Nebadon Izumi: that even happens in second life

[10:26] Justin Clark-Casey: Ubuntu 9.04 is no Mono 2.0.1

[10:26] Tiffany Sicling: 9395 or 9395+ ?

[10:26] Tumble Stone: i iuse 2.0.1 too

[10:26] Snoopy Pfeffer: I use mono 2.5 with ubuntu and I am happy with it

[10:26] Fly Man: 9395 is enough

[10:26] paulie Flomar: FM, 9395 is old. HEAD is 9429. Shgould we backup to 9395?

[10:26] Nebadon Izumi: hehe i thinkl someone mic is locked

[10:27] Richardus Raymaker: kitto, let them try mono 2.4 works perfect on ubuntu

[10:27] Fly Man: Paulie, if you go beyond 9395 that's ok

[10:27] paulie Flomar: Fm, k.

[10:27] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol

[10:27] Fly Man: but make sure you're at least 9395

[10:27] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:27] Bri Hasp: Mono 2.5 is not in a repo to my knowledge

[10:27] Kitto Flora: Richardus: Not here. Nothing but problems.

[10:27] Fly Man: so we can make sure we don't see problems Thursday

[10:27] Fly Man: There will be a help line available

[10:27] Fly Man: in case of errors on Thursday

[10:27] paulie Flomar: On Ubuntu, I'll prolly be stuck with 2.01 for six months. heh

[10:27] ARADTech KoolKam: Thisi working pretty damn smooth :)

[10:27] Snoopy Pfeffer: Bri 2.5 is under devleopment

[10:27] Fly Man: All day

[10:27] Nebadon Izumi: yea this feels great

[10:27] Bri Hasp: yes

[10:27] Aramis Soren: how many here now?

[10:28] Snoopy Pfeffer: you can fetch the latest version and complile it

[10:28] Fly Man: #osgrid-asset-update

[10:28] OtakuMegane Desu: 25

[10:28] OtakuMegane Desu: Sweet

[10:28] Nebadon Izumi: say list

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Visitor List:

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Ideia Boa

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Master Dubrovna

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: OtakuMegane Desu

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Aramis Soren

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kitto Flora

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: tx Oh

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Bri Hasp

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Justin Clark-Casey

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tumble Stone

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Richardus Raymaker

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Static Sprocket

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Starky Rubble

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: BlueWall Slade

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Charles Krinke

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Teravus Ousley

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Strawberry Fride

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Gaspar Roux

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Fly Man

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Snoopy Pfeffer

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Zohnar Yifu

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tiffany Sicling

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Chris D

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: paulie Flomar

[10:28] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Total = 23

[10:28] Fly Man: Yeah

[10:28] Fly Man: And don't forget

[10:28] Nebadon Izumi: +1 to that list

[10:28] Nebadon Izumi: it doenst show me

[10:28] Snoopy Pfeffer: true

[10:28] Fly Man: Q&A is on ZAIUS

[10:28] Fly Man: No longer on Wright

[10:28] Bri Hasp: will stay at 2.4 till Mono group drops it

[10:28] Snoopy Pfeffer: we should focus better :)

[10:28] Fly Man: Zaius is the new home of the Q&A Hour

[10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: unfortunately my Saturdays are always unavailable right now

[10:29] paulie Flomar: Thx, FM.

[10:29] Richardus Raymaker: ill stay at 2.4 for now to

[10:29] Charles Krinke: no problem. "Q&A Hour" on Zaius Plaza on Saturday at 1900UTC

[10:29] Richardus Raymaker: because i know its a stable one

[10:29] Fly Man: Will post the info on Saturdays as well

[10:29] eaglefx Binder: that list aint complete ;)

[10:29] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know what day is most of the time :P

[10:29] paulie Flomar: Mebbe I'll try 2.4..

[10:29] Richardus Raymaker: startdate -?????

[10:29] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: any feedback on whether 2.4 is still trampolining with the latest OpenSim builds would be much appreciated

[10:30] Charles Krinke: What? No riot over reliability? Why is this meeting going sosmoothly??

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:30] OtakuMegane Desu: Lol

[10:30] M1sha Dallin: trampolining?

[10:30] Bri Hasp: not seen any on 2.4

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi reaches for his 1800 prim avatar

[10:30] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol :)

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: lol jk

[10:30] Fly Man: Those were the days ;)

[10:30] Kitto Flora: Did you want to crash?

[10:30] paulie Flomar: Are we still seeing A>B>AB crossing issues?

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: ah crap

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: i forgot about irc

[10:30] Fly Man: Well, we could try that ;)

[10:30] Snoopy Pfeffer: lets do that hehe ;)

[10:30] Richardus Raymaker: i run ubuntu 8.04 32bit mono 2.4if thats intressting

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: i meant to do that

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: next week

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: for sure

[10:30] Nebadon Izumi: we'll test IRC bridge

[10:30] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: not upgraded to 9.04?

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: atleast for meetings

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: probably not full time

[10:31] Richardus Raymaker: why ? btw not sure if my dedicated have that

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: ah yea but i promised we sould test it again

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: this week infact

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: and i dropped the ball

[10:31] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: 9.04 comes with mono 2.0.1, unless you upgrade mono manually

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: so next week

[10:31] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw will we start to record voice?

[10:31] Fly Man: Well, we can test it ...

[10:31] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:31] Fly Man: Snoopy, no

[10:31] Richardus Raymaker: i compile omono manuall always

[10:31] Fly Man: Voice is way to early to test

[10:31] Kitto Flora: Justin: Did you try a manual upgrade?

[10:31] ARADTech KoolKam: Im running suse 11 with mono 2.5 and its really smooth :)

[10:31] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: then probably not a big issue for you

[10:31] Fly Man: You can always use Voice on the Plaza's

[10:31] Justin Clark-Casey: Kitto: yep

[10:32] Richardus Raymaker: ok. justin

[10:32] Fly Man: But here's a test

[10:32] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:32] paulie Flomar: I nevar have got voice working on CAmeo. heh.

[10:32] Fly Man: Like we did last week

[10:32] Charles Krinke: Ok, we seem o be mving right alng, soI willdeclare "opn meetng". ll subects ae "fair game"

[10:32] Kitto Flora: Maybe I should nuke the disk here and get 9.04 fresh

[10:32] Richardus Raymaker: did you made a picture for your photobook nebadon ?

[10:32] Fly Man: Please everyone that has voice, SPEAK

[10:32] Nebadon Izumi: also Adam is building some new lounge areas

[10:32] Fly Man: to see how the load on the server is

[10:32] Fly Man: Nebadon, please check the balance

[10:32] Nebadon Izumi: you can visit "Lounge" and "Lounge 2"

[10:32] Fly Man: Yes

[10:32] Nebadon Izumi: to see adams newest lounges

[10:32] Fly Man: Everyone at the same time ppl

[10:33] Fly Man: so we can do a load balance on the sim

[10:33] Aramis Soren: i hear nothing but clicking

[10:33] Fly Man: Yeah

[10:33] Fly Man: and then we didn't blow

[10:33] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:33] Kitto Flora: Whats in em? Lizards?

[10:33] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: with voice enabled?

[10:33] Nebadon Izumi: there are stats for this server behind everyone

[10:33] Charles Krinke: yep

[10:33] Aramis Soren: yes

[10:33] Nebadon Izumi: to see the load here

[10:33] Nebadon Izumi: ah let me check

[10:33] Aramis Soren: doublechecking

[10:33] Fly Man: Jupz

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: we edite dit

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: edited

[10:34] Snoopy Pfeffer: you can disable the beeping :)

[10:34] Fly Man: That's why we wanted more ppl talking ;)

[10:34] BlueWall Slade: 100 config options

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: also

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: something we did differnt

[10:34] BlueWall Slade: lol

[10:34] Kiro Dragoon: i cant seem to get voice to work

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: we have created dummy regions

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: for each of our freeswitch servers

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: the main region in the freeswitch config

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: tends to get pounded

[10:34] Richardus Raymaker: its easyer to plug sound into voice then say something.. say what ?

[10:34] BlueWall Slade: I haven't had a chance to do anything on the sound card

[10:34] Tiffany Sicling: I hear voice, have no clue who is talking, no dots above anyone's head

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: someone is open talking

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: please unlock mic

[10:34] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:35] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: ah, so the load is more spread now?

[10:35] Fly Man: yeah p

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: we have a dumby regioon to receive to spew from freeswitch

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: taks the load off the plazas

[10:35] Fly Man: I'd like to keep to IRC for those Q ;)

[10:35] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: just out of interest is that information in the wiki page, or is this all high experimental? :)

[10:35] Fly Man: Not to fly around with jetpacks

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: very experimental

[10:35] Kiro Dragoon: im guessing i cant get on voice cuse this viewer wasnt ment for osg...

[10:35] Fly Man: O btw

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: the idea hit me few nights ago

[10:35] Fly Man is developing a Ring system

[10:35] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:36] Justin Clark-Casey: kiro: is that 1.22?

[10:36] BlueWall Slade: yes

[10:36] Nebadon Izumi: all the OSGrid plazas

[10:36] Nebadon Izumi: use 2 fswitches

[10:36] Fly Man: For the ppl that want more visitors, it will be available shortly in the Freebie Place

[10:36] Richardus Raymaker: ask it for safety again. how do you keep the regions locked if we need to shut them down before 1 ?

[10:36] Kiro Dragoon: im using Greenlife Viewer

[10:36] Nebadon Izumi: mostly for ease

[10:36] Nebadon Izumi: they all could use 1

[10:36] Nebadon Izumi: really

[10:36] Fly Man: Richardus, we don't ;)

[10:36] BlueWall Slade: kill -9 is your friend

[10:36] Fly Man: So the grid will be very empty at first

[10:36] paulie Flomar: killall -9 freeswitch

[10:36] Justin Clark-Casey: kiro: yeah, the necessary voice changes are only in recent 1.22 viewers, it might be that your viewer doesn't incorporate them

[10:37] Fly Man: Only the dev's will have some regions up for the last tests

[10:37] Fly Man: then the grid opens up again

[10:37] Richardus Raymaker: lol bluewall. thats almost the same as not shutting down

[10:37] Fly Man: and then it's running time ;)

[10:37] Kiro Dragoon: no, my viewer copied the voice program from regular sl whenit insalls

[10:37] Fly Man: Might be fun to see how fast the grid fills up again ;)

[10:37] Charles Krinke: I seem to be "overtyping" the chat line more then usual.

[10:37] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[10:37] Connected

[10:37] Justin Clark-Casey: Kiro: yeah, but I think the viewer itself needs changes too

[10:37] Justin Clark-Casey: I could be wrong though

[10:37] Snoopy Pfeffer: I still think that the freeswitch registry related functionality should not be in opensim.exe

[10:38] Nebadon Izumi: snoopy

[10:38] Nebadon Izumi: what we did

[10:38] Kiro Dragoon: ill try reloging with the normal viewer

[10:38] Fly Man: Yeah, strange that I have a beep

[10:38] Nebadon Izumi: is make a dumby void region

[10:38] Nebadon Izumi: that recieves all that nosense

[10:38] Snoopy Pfeffer: it could be a server process per freeswitch

[10:38] Nebadon Izumi: so your region consols are quiet

[10:38] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes

[10:38] Snoopy Pfeffer: I will also do that, because there is no better solution yet

[10:38] Fly Man: Damn

[10:39] Fly Man: what happened to this headset ..

[10:39] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:39] Nebadon Izumi: you can throw it on my pile of 37 dead headsets if you want

[10:39] Kitto Flora: broken wire in the headset cord

[10:39] Tiffany Sicling: wireless headsets are cool

[10:40] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:40] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw freeswitch runs unstable on my 64 bit ubuntu server if I use the high priority option

[10:40] Nebadon Izumi: im running freeswitch on my Windows 7 x64

[10:40] Snoopy Pfeffer: ah ok

[10:40] Nebadon Izumi: no issues yet

[10:40] Fly Man: Strange .. it's sound and clear in Skype

[10:40] Nebadon Izumi: Fly man

[10:41] Nebadon Izumi: lower you mic volume

[10:41] Nebadon Izumi: in voice preferences

[10:41] Nebadon Izumi: in the viewer

[10:41] Richardus Raymaker: voice is much betetr then last week

[10:41] Aramis Soren: still just clicking, 1.22.11 viewer

[10:41] Nebadon Izumi: could be the texture resolution

[10:41] Nebadon Izumi: 64x64 v 1024x1024

[10:41] BlueWall Slade: they are constantly updating

[10:41] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe - though the one in the bottom right hand corner is extremely blurry

[10:41] Fly Man: Yeah

[10:41] Fly Man: strange ..

[10:41] Fly Man: have to play with it

[10:42] Fly Man: So remember:

[10:42] Kitto Flora: That english voice is loud - overloading

[10:42] Fly Man: #osgrid-asset-update

[10:42] Kitto Flora: Yes

[10:42] Fly Man: This Thursday from 0:00 till 19:00 CET

[10:42] Kitto Flora: Bit better

[10:42] Fly Man: If you have any troubles with getting the region up

[10:42] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:42] Fly Man: or when the loading of a region doesn't take place

[10:42] Tiffany Sicling: how do you know who is speaking?

[10:43] Nebadon Izumi: you dont

[10:43] Nebadon Izumi: not yet

[10:43] Teravus Ousley: memorize the voice with the name :)

[10:43] BlueWall Slade: anonymous voice

[10:43] eaglefx Binder: thats the trick of voice ;)

[10:43] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:43] Snoopy Pfeffer: there is no speakers dot implemented yet

[10:43] Charles Krinke: Loudest voice wins

[10:43] Kitto Flora: Its anonyvoice

[10:43] tx Oh: with the buzz

[10:44] tx Oh: :-)

[10:44] BlueWall Slade: Buzz Lightyear

[10:44] Fly Man: Ghehe

[10:44] Fly Man: Hey Blue

[10:44] Richardus Raymaker: i can poick snoopy out of the voice. i think nebadon is possible to

[10:44] Fly Man: where's your voice ;)

[10:44] tx Oh: i thought its to gain attention. :-)

[10:44] Fly Man: Haven't heard the squarrel ;)

[10:44] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol

[10:44] Tiffany Sicling: my mic isn't workiing

[10:44] Fly Man: But I heard a real English lady earlier

[10:45] Fly Man: was that Snoopy ?

[10:45] Ideia Boa: hey all

[10:45] Snoopy Pfeffer: no lol

[10:45] Charles Krinke: Anything else that needs to be brought up?

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: well i would like to remind everyone that its a good time to test out making an OAR of your simulator

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: anything thats very important to you

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: cant live without it

[10:45] Richardus Raymaker: ill make a backup of the database

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: make sure you back it up before 1am

[10:45] Aramis Soren: will that kill the servers tonite if everyone oars?

[10:45] Maria Korolov: thanks for the oar reminder -- i just got my door to work, too :-)

[10:45] Richardus Raymaker: database dont work ?

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: we dont expect that

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: but like i said

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: if 1 object goes missing

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: your probably out of luck

[10:45] Tiffany Sicling: so our inventory might HG into /dev/null too ?

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: if the entire thing implodes

[10:45] Nebadon Izumi: we will revert

[10:46] BlueWall Slade: dump important inventory into a care package with your region

[10:46] tx Oh: oar's didn't save setted sit targets of objects, btw

[10:46] Charles Krinke: If youhave a backup, you might not need it. But, ... if you dont, ....

[10:46] Snoopy Pfeffer: good Neb

[10:46] Melanie Milland is Online

[10:46] Aramis Soren: iar not working at all yet?

[10:46] Fly Man: So please MAKE an save oar .oar

[10:46] Nebadon Izumi: not really sure about IAR

[10:46] Justin Clark-Casey: Aramis: in development :)

[10:46] Fly Man: so that you're safe

[10:46] Nebadon Izumi: but you can always rez your inventory items into boxes

[10:46] Fly Man: Melanie isn't online here, I think

[10:46] OtakuMegane Desu: For some reason it never lets me

[10:46] Nebadon Izumi: then do a save oar

[10:46] Aramis Soren: yeah just wondered if a crude backup would be doable

[10:46] Tiffany Sicling: kinda hard to dump all scripts into a box

[10:46] Nebadon Izumi: just dump inventory folders into boxes rezzed in your simulator

[10:47] Nebadon Izumi: then do a save oar

[10:47] Bri Hasp: I also Si'd folders

[10:47] Snoopy Pfeffer: I have too much in my inventory to put it in boxes lol

[10:47] Fly Man: Ahh, there's Melanie :)

[10:47] Nebadon Izumi: if your really concerned

[10:47] Aramis Soren: ok will try that later

[10:47] Fly Man: No voice Melanie ?

[10:47] Aramis Soren: still only clicking for me, but it quiets when voice slider is slid so i guess its on

[10:47] Nebadon Izumi: ya nice load

[10:48] Fly Man: O, and please remember:

[10:48] Fly Man: 9395 before 1 AM

[10:48] Richardus Raymaker: i heared someone talking aboput she lost items in inventory in the past or something is a bitt messed up. where not complete clear. or things like that happen again. or its getting betetr ?

[10:48] OtakuMegane Desu: So do we need to 'crash' sims or will we be ok for returning to our current coordinates with a normal shutdown?

[10:48] Nebadon Izumi: were starting to see some slow down now

[10:48] Fly Man: If youre beyond, even better

[10:48] Fly Man: but make sure you have at least 9395

[10:48] Melanie Milland: is anyone hearing me on voice?

[10:48] Maria Korolov: well, all of Wright plaza has been grayed out for me for the pasthalf hur... and voice is cutting in an out... so it's not perfect

[10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes I did hear you Melanie

[10:48] Teravus Ousley: no, not hearing you melanie

[10:48] Fly Man: Melanie, not yet

[10:48] Justin Clark-Casey: nope

[10:48] paulie Flomar: nope, Mel. dont hear ya.

[10:48] BlueWall Slade: yes

[10:48] paulie Flomar: heard that!

[10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: "I did not press the voice button"

[10:48] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe

[10:49] Fly Man: Bit low voice

[10:49] Richardus Raymaker: its still not clear for me. kill the regions or let them run ...

[10:49] Aramis Soren: nothing, will have to check client in sl

[10:49] Richardus Raymaker: or.. shut them down with risk

[10:49] Fly Man: Richardus: Before you kill, upgrade to at least 9395

[10:49] Richardus Raymaker: im at 9405

[10:49] Fly Man: Then you're good

[10:49] Charles Krinke: then kill regins

[10:50] Fly Man: Yeah, Teravus, as I said last time

[10:50] Richardus Raymaker: ok. only need to make aor's keeps me busy for a while. lol

[10:50] OtakuMegane Desu: So we need to kill them still to preserve coordinates?

[10:50] Fly Man: I think you need to do some commercial for OSGrid ;)

[10:50] tx Oh: i still have no clue what will happen in this night.

[10:50] Maria Korolov: i think thta was melanie... it wasn't me

[10:50] Kiro Dragoon: i notice im teh only one with a dot over my head... is this normal?

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid? It's the new frontier?

[10:50] Fly Man: tx Oh, this coming night:

[10:50] Nebadon Izumi: yes Kiro

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid, where all your dreams can come true?

[10:50] Fly Man: Asset server will be blown away ;)

[10:50] Fly Man: and a new one will arrive

[10:50] Aramis Soren: OSGrid... where your hair isn't on your ass like SL

[10:50] Charles Krinke: including the nighmares?

[10:50] Fly Man: with all the converted assets

[10:50] BlueWall Slade: lol

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: OSGrid, where men are women and women are men?

[10:51] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol

[10:51] Melanie Milland: ass-ets

[10:51] paulie Flomar: Tonight, we upgrade in HELL!

[10:51] Justin Clark-Casey grins

[10:51] Fly Man: then after that, on Thursday

[10:51] OtakuMegane Desu: huhuhuhuhuh you said "ass"

[10:51] Master Dubrovna: will we still use the asset.osgrid.org designation?

[10:51] Fly Man: When it does work: The Grid will be Open

[10:51] Richardus Raymaker: as long its not a black hole

[10:51] Fly Man: SO PLEASE DON'T ATTACH REGIONS TOMORROW

[10:51] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:51] paulie Flomar: OSGRid turns into OSHole...

[10:51] Fly Man: That's Melanie

[10:52] Fly Man: Yup

[10:52] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:52] Tiffany Sicling: OSG turns into OMG

[10:52] Fly Man: Much better

[10:52] Nebadon Izumi: there ya go

[10:52] Nebadon Izumi: you all sound the same to me

[10:52] Fly Man: Wow

[10:52] BlueWall Slade: WOW

[10:52] tx Oh: wiw

[10:52] Fly Man: MY EARS :p

[10:52] paulie Flomar: overdriving!!!!

[10:52] paulie Flomar: gahhh!!!

[10:52] Kitto Flora: Clients so need agc for voice.

[10:52] paulie Flomar: my sensitie wolf ears!!!!

[10:52] Tiffany Sicling: try halfway :)

[10:52] Fly Man: Yeah

[10:52] Fly Man: that's better

[10:52] Snoopy Pfeffer: sound like in SL where your ears get blown up

[10:52] BlueWall Slade: much

[10:52] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe

[10:52] paulie Flomar: better. even lower would be fine

[10:52] Snoopy Pfeffer: :)

[10:53] Tiffany Sicling: much clearer

[10:53] Fly Man: So yes, this is the voice of the famous Melanie ;)

[10:53] Fly Man: She's louder

[10:53] paulie Flomar: Mel has more breath.

[10:53] Nebadon Izumi: all sounds pretty good

[10:53] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[10:53] Richardus Raymaker: btw ? wick one PM ? wich timezone ?

[10:53] paulie Flomar: s'all good.

[10:53] Richardus Raymaker: uch

[10:53] Aramis Soren: PDT

[10:53] Richardus Raymaker: wich timezone wich 1 PM ?

[10:53] Fly Man: AM

[10:54] Fly Man: 1 AM

[10:54] paulie Flomar slurps coffeee for all to hear...

[10:54] Fly Man: Nope

[10:54] Fly Man: still working

[10:54] paulie Flomar: what is this freeze u speak of?

[10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: ping

[10:54] Richardus Raymaker: wich 1 AM fly ? th OSGRID one ? utc ? GMT ?

[10:54] paulie Flomar: nice breathing. whoever.

[10:54] Fly Man: Neb: 1 AM PDT ?

[10:54] Nebadon Izumi: i hear someone breathing

[10:54] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:54] Justin Clark-Casey: that freeze

[10:54] paulie Flomar: yer gettin us all hot, breagin like that..

[10:54] tx Oh: there is no news about the asset server outage this night on osgrid.org

[10:55] Nebadon Izumi: were probably running low on ram

[10:55] Bri Hasp: with OSG down will be a good time to Grider for feedback to Diva

[10:55] Fly Man: 24 Hour outtage on 5/6/2009 starting at 1am PST

[10:55] Nebadon Izumi: i killed lbsa plaza

[10:55] OtakuMegane Desu: HOw much RAM is being used up now?

[10:55] Justin Clark-Casey: phew, for a moment I thought we4 wren't going to crash

[10:56] Melanie Milland: we've come a long way

[10:56] Nebadon Izumi: give it a second to receover

[10:56] Nebadon Izumi: woah

[10:56] OtakuMegane Desu: derp

[10:56] Kitto Flora: Beep

[10:56] Nebadon Izumi: came back again

[10:56] tx Oh: i do my oar's on cron basis

[10:56] Nebadon Izumi: amazing

[10:56] Kitto Flora: Ewww- lags

[10:56] BlueWall Slade: whee

[10:56] Justin Clark-Casey: ping

[10:56] Snoopy Pfeffer: is the memory usage increasing?

[10:56] BlueWall Slade: still in the game

[10:56] Fly Man: So, in 13 hours

[10:56] Aramis Soren: body count here? still 24-25?

[10:57] Aramis Soren: cool

[10:57] Nebadon Izumi: a bit not much

[10:57] Nebadon Izumi: i killed the other sims

[10:57] Fly Man: So, before 13 hours please upgrade to 9395 and OAR your region

[10:57] Richardus Raymaker: do you block the region cleanup for 48+ hours ?

[10:57] Charles Krinke: Look at the graphs behind us to see mem usage

[10:57] Nebadon Izumi: 800 meg free

[10:57] paulie Flomar: Teravus, you have teh cool voice.

[10:57] Richardus Raymaker: uhmm soryy grid cleanup

[10:57] Kitto Flora: 26

[10:57] Nebadon Izumi: give it a second to receover

[10:57] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[10:57] tx Oh: yes

[10:57] Melanie Milland: with*

[10:57] Melanie Milland: i'd say a few months ago no one could have moved with this many ppl in sim

[10:57] Aramis Soren: uh oh...

[10:58] Kiro Dragoon: what are oar's? ^.^; my first day on os grid

[10:58] Tiffany Sicling: I am so skating backwards

[10:58] Justin Clark-Casey: kiros: oars are a way of backing up regions and reloading them, there's more info on the wiki

[10:58] Nebadon Izumi: no

[10:58] Melanie Milland: you row woth them

[10:58] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:58] Justin Clark-Casey: pingilicious

[10:58] Richardus Raymaker: if we couldmove !

[10:58] Bri Hasp: lol

[10:58] Snoopy Pfeffer: btw is there a bug with clouds?

[10:58] Tiffany Sicling: Hi trees, as I go by

[10:58] Melanie Milland: a saved sim, so to speak

[10:58] Nebadon Izumi: the sim is pretty dead

[10:58] Fly Man: Ghehe

[10:58] Aramis Soren: Kiro oar is opensim region archive, a way to backup your region

[10:58] Fly Man: Let's see if it crashes ?

[10:58] Fly Man: Try

[10:58] Melanie Milland: kiro, Object archives

[10:58] Kiro Dragoon: ah ok ^.^

[10:58] Fly Man: Kiro, OAR's are backups

[10:58] Fly Man: That's Melanie:

[10:58] Nebadon Izumi: lol i can move again

[10:59] Fly Man: She sees something and she's working on it already ;)

[10:59] Tiffany Sicling: wow, I can move again too

[10:59] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[10:59] Nebadon Izumi: crazy

[10:59] Fly Man: Wow

[10:59] Aramis Soren: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Archives

[10:59] BlueWall Slade: test

[10:59] Melanie Milland: flunked

[10:59] tx Oh: yepp, chat lags are evil

[10:59] BlueWall Slade: taht was instance

[11:00] Nebadon Izumi: wow

[11:00] Kiro Dragoon: furnation on sl has worse chat lag

[11:00] Nebadon Izumi: even the clock works

[11:00] Nebadon Izumi: did you hear the clock

[11:00] Nebadon Izumi: it never works at meetings

[11:00] Richardus Raymaker: only saw lag on movement

[11:00] OtakuMegane Desu: Yes. I've been hearing that ticking the whole time :P

[11:00] Aramis Soren: is that the clicking i hear, the clock?

[11:00] Nebadon Izumi: yes its my clock

[11:00] Fly Man: Nah

[11:00] Fly Man: It's this clock

[11:00] Aramis Soren: is that ambient?

[11:01] Tiffany Sicling: the mono bomb!

[11:01] Justin Clark-Casey: mono is da bomb!

[11:01] Aramis Soren: my ambient is 0 master is up but no voice, will check i sl afer here

[11:01] Fly Man: Hmm

[11:01] Teravus Ousley: tacked

[11:01] Fly Man: A nice peak here

[11:01] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis; you can hear us?

[11:01] Aramis Soren: not a thing all meeting justin

[11:01] Aramis Soren: just the clock :)

[11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: you're using a 1.22 client?

[11:02] Aramis Soren: and vids music etc

[11:02] Richardus Raymaker: can you tell more about the new asset server ?

[11:02] Aramis Soren: yes 1.22.11 client

[11:02] Justin Clark-Casey: aramis: yes, something sounds a bit awry then :(

[11:02] Aramis Soren: unchecked and rechecked voice in settings

[11:02] paulie Flomar: slooooooowww

[11:02] Aramis Soren: i'll verify that it works in sl after the meeting here

[11:02] Aramis Soren: don't think i've heard voice with this client there so could be me

[11:02] Fly Man: Strange

[11:02] Michelle Argus is Online

[11:02] Fly Man: we had a peak of memory

[11:03] Fly Man: now it's stabilizing again

[11:03] Nebadon Izumi: i restarted the other plazas

[11:03] Nebadon Izumi: i think thats why it came back to life

[11:03] OtakuMegane Desu: ffff

[11:03] Justin Clark-Casey: Hello Mic

[11:03] Snoopy Pfeffer: you need Hippo 0.5.1 for voice, Aramis

[11:03] Mic Bowman: hi justin

[11:03] OtakuMegane Desu: Unable to save oar. Usage: save oar

[11:03] Mic Bowman: very well thank you :-)

[11:03] OtakuMegane Desu: Why do I always get this?

[11:03] paulie Flomar: im gettin 0.5 fps!!1 aaghh!!

[11:03] Mic Bowman: i'm still moving

[11:03] Aramis Soren: ok let me come back with hippo here

[11:03] Snoopy Pfeffer: 0.5.0 has a problem as far as I know

[11:03] Fly Man: How many ppl do we have here ?

[11:03] Fly Man: 27

[11:03] Mic Bowman: what's the outgoing bw on the simulator?

[11:04] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe

[11:04] Richardus Raymaker: !im at 29fps. running 2 viewers. but linux handles 2 viewers very good.

[11:04] Aramis Soren: ah crap still 0.4.0 hippo

[11:04] tx Oh: 7fps here

[11:04] Mic Bowman: i sawthat

[11:04] Fly Man: These

[11:04] Mic Bowman: didn't se networking up there

[11:04] Snoopy Pfeffer: yes that is far too old Aramis :)

[11:04] Nebadon Izumi: network is bttom left

[11:04] Nebadon Izumi: no

[11:04] Nebadon Izumi: click it

[11:04] Nebadon Izumi: it will force a refresh

[11:04] Aramis Soren: thats not what i'm using here, just what is on desktop i only use it for mega prims

[11:05] Fly Man: It's here

[11:05] paulie Flomar is Online

[11:05] Mic Bowman: got it

[11:05] Fly Man: most left one beneath

[11:05] Fly Man: It was rezzing

[11:05] Fly Man: Hmmm

[11:05] Mic Bowman: yes

[11:05] Fly Man: Hope this will show better when using the new asset server ;

[11:05] Mic Bowman: it just wasn't fully downloaded

[11:05] Richardus Raymaker: nice and high

[11:06] ARADTech KoolKam: yes :)

[11:06] tx Oh: it's blury

[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: i saw 1.5mbs upstream

[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: stop clicking it

[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[11:06] tx Oh: here it comes clear

[11:06] Richardus Raymaker: i need to bake some oar's

[11:06] BlueWall Slade: see ya Charles

[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: ive seen it get clicked like 20 times

[11:06] Charles Krinke is Offline

[11:06] Bri Hasp: byes

[11:06] Fly Man: Bye

[11:06] Fly Man: *waves*

[11:07] Snoopy Pfeffer: the turning animation is also not working properly

[11:07] Snoopy Pfeffer: it's simply missing

[11:07] Snoopy Pfeffer: a question: does the cloud module work?

[11:07] Nebadon Izumi: yes

[11:07] Fly Man: Snoopy, Yes

[11:07] eaglefx Binder: lol

[11:07] Mic Bowman: dslake put together another analysis of the network performance & put it on the scisim wiki

[11:07] Fly Man: Ahh, nice

[11:08] Snoopy Pfeffer: I cannot see any clouds here and on my sims

[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: look up

[11:08] Fly Man: upload about 2 Mb

[11:08] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:08] Richardus Raymaker: oh that cloud. i thinked the last time about the othe rcloud

[11:08] Mic Bowman: i'm trying to compare his "synthetic results" to these

[11:08] Fly Man: download 0.5 Mn

[11:08] tx Oh: windlight

[11:08] Snoopy Pfeffer: well any clouds hehe

[11:08] Tiffany Sicling: classic clouds don't move

[11:08] Snoopy Pfeffer: I just see a blue sky

[11:09] Fly Man: Hmm

[11:09] Fly Man: this one is nice

[11:09] paulie Flomar: ya have to turn classic clouds on in WL prefs now, I think?

[11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: lol sorry

[11:09] Fly Man: it peaks at 11:41

[11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe

[11:09] BlueWall Slade: I see strange textures for the classic clouds - maybe a remnant in cache from the new assset server

[11:09] Bri Hasp: have to have clouds to keep our Brit friends happy

[11:09] Fly Man: when we had all kind of actions

[11:09] Snoopy Pfeffer: that was a typical "user bug" ;)

[11:09] Tiffany Sicling: I had to turn off media in settings to keep that video panel from firing up on it's own

[11:09] paulie Flomar: omg, my helmet has moved its attachment pointso its floating in air! lol

[11:10] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[11:10] Connected

[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: i supect someone moved it

[11:10] Richardus Raymaker: i see a floating helmet to

[11:10] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[11:10] Mic Bowman: what are you measuring in the network graph?

[11:10] Melanie Milland: i don't even know where WL prefs are

[11:10] paulie Flomar: now its back. lolz

[11:10] paulie Flomar: tricky opensim

[11:10] Mic Bowman: the bw into my box is running 500Kbps by itself

[11:10] Tiffany Sicling: using MRTG for that panel ?

[11:11] Snoopy Pfeffer: wow much lag!!

[11:11] Snoopy Pfeffer: my ao will make it worse lol

[11:11] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[11:11] Connected

[11:12] Melanie Milland: take it off, then

[11:12] Richardus Raymaker: starting oar save marathon

[11:12] Snoopy Pfeffer: hehe

[11:12] Snoopy Pfeffer: testing is also good :)

[11:12] Snoopy Pfeffer: we can all wear an ao and look what happens lol

[11:12] Richardus Raymaker: hehe

[11:12] Richardus Raymaker: lol

[11:12] Bri Hasp: ao on now

[11:12] Nebadon Izumi: lol Blue

[11:13] Richardus Raymaker: hi m1sha

[11:13] Nebadon Izumi: amazing it feels so smooth

[11:13] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: say list

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Visitor List:

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Ideia Boa

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Master Dubrovna

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: OtakuMegane Desu

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Aramis Soren

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kitto Flora

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: tx Oh

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Bri Hasp

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Justin Clark-Casey

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tumble Stone

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Richardus Raymaker

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Static Sprocket

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Starky Rubble

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: BlueWall Slade

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Charles Krinke

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Teravus Ousley

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Strawberry Fride

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Gaspar Roux

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Fly Man

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Snoopy Pfeffer

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Zohnar Yifu

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Tiffany Sicling

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Chris D

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: paulie Flomar

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Kiro Dragoon

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: eaglefx Binder

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Melanie Milland

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Mic Bowman

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1:

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: M1sha Dallin

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: ARADTech KoolKam

[11:14] Visitor List Recorder v1.1: Total = 30

[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: nice

[11:14] Fly Man: 30 ppl :d

[11:14] Fly Man: nice

[11:14] Bri Hasp: 30 avs?

[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: that makes 31 visitors at todays meting

[11:14] eaglefx Binder: u need some wheels Teravus ;)

[11:14] Nebadon Izumi: the list doesnt list me

[11:14] Starky Rubble: nice

[11:14] Richardus Raymaker: thats a record.

[11:14] Kiro Dragoon: hmm.... where would one get an ao? i HATE the noob walk XP

[11:14] eaglefx Binder: hehe

[11:14] Bri Hasp: 95 rules..ty Melanie

[11:15] Mic Bowman is Offline

[11:15] Melanie Milland: we need to create an "official" ao that uses changed(CHANGED_ANIMATION)

[11:15] Ideia Boa: I lost the connection cable, I think it happened the same with the entire city of Stockholm I am connected by my phone, someone can do me a small summary of the most important

[11:15] Melanie Milland: so the ones with fast timers don't gain a foothold

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: Tomm has offered his original AO

[11:15] paulie Flomar is Offline

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: i have put it out in the Freebie garden

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: in the building lower floor

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: its all orginal code

[11:15] Melanie Milland: does it use the new event?

[11:15] tx Oh: i gtg, bye

[11:15] Richardus Raymaker: how much assets storage do we have after tommorow ?

[11:15] Kiro Dragoon: ima go pounce on that :P

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: not a Zhao

[11:15] Nebadon Izumi: not sure, grab a copy before you go

[11:16] Bri Hasp: using it.. seems ok

[11:16] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[11:16] Connected

[11:16] Melanie Milland: the bad thing about AO is the fast timer based poll of llGetAnimation

[11:16] Focus: Script running

[11:16] Nebadon Izumi: log offs are harsh

[11:16] Kiro Dragoon: ill just import scripts from an ao i have on my sl account :P

[11:16] paulie Flomar is Online

[11:17] Melanie Milland: kiro, then you will have afats timer based one that causes lag

[11:17] Melanie Milland: SL AOs are not optimum for opensim

[11:17] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ...

[11:17] Fly Man: Nope

[11:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: my ao is optimized for osgrid

[11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: pingu

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: nope not crashed yet

[11:17] Fly Man: It's still here

[11:17] BlueWall Slade: It's a Timex!!

[11:17] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[11:17] Snoopy Pfeffer: maybe it is just garbage collecting :)

[11:17] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSimulator Server 0.6.4.9395 (OS Fedora release 9 (Sulphur) Kernel \r on an \m) ChilTasks:True PhysPrim:True

[11:17] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ...

[11:18] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ...

[11:18] M1sha Dallin: The Tomm AO appears to use Changed_Animation

[11:19] ride: You are not the owner of this vehicle ...

[11:20] Richardus Raymaker: i see lots of lag

[11:20] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[11:20] Nebadon Izumi: its nearing the end im sure

[11:20] Snoopy Pfeffer: is that a shield, Blue?

[11:20] paulie Flomar: lag citeh