Chat log from the meeting on 2010-09-14

[17:53] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) e7e9e67: 2010-09-07 21:05:10 +0100 (Unix/Mono) [17:53] Tasha Violet is Offline [17:56] Penny Lane is Online [17:56] Cuddles McCann smiles.. mind if I find a quiet corner? [17:57] Richardus Raymaker is Online [18:00] Penny Lane: Hi Neb :-) [18:00]  Cuddles McCann grins.. I don't think his mind is in world yet [18:01]  Penny Lane: Hehe [18:02]  Justin Clark-Casey is Online [18:02]  Richardus Raymaker: hi penny, nebadon [18:02]  Penny Lane: Hi Rich :-) [18:03] Richardus Raymaker: i have 1 problem. root agents dont disapear always from json. [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: hello [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: doh [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: sorry sim froze [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: that was my fault [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: i scrolled back in screen [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: lol [18:03] Richardus Raymaker: dont play with groups.lol [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: forgot to hit esc [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: nah i was scrolled back in screen [18:03] Nebadon Izumi: forgot that freezes the sim [18:04] Penny Lane: Fell asleep with face on keyboard? ;-) [18:04] Nebadon Izumi: hola Justin [18:04]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi nebadon. hello people [18:04]  Richardus Raymaker: hi justin. [18:04]  Penny Lane: Eeeek, Neb's sitting in a different spot! It's going to confuse everybody! ;-) [18:04] Richardus Raymaker: so i see still 1 root agent when there's no agent .. [18:05] Penny Lane: Hiya Justin :-) [18:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: json stats isn't very maintained right now [18:05]  Richardus Raymaker: hmm, i think this is the normal spot for nebadon [18:05]  Nebadon Izumi: heh [18:05]  Penny Lane: No no, he's always just to the right of this flag [18:05]  Nebadon Izumi: i just randomly picked one [18:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [18:05]  Penny Lane: Haha [18:05]  Richardus Raymaker: in the past nebadon where closer to here [18:07]  Richardus Raymaker: yup, json tells me there's 1 rootag. show users says there's nobody [18:08]  Nebadon Izumi: well not sure how many are coming today, ive been busy working on Danger grid though [18:08]  Nebadon Izumi: things are sorta coming along there [18:08]  Nebadon Izumi: having an asset issue at the moment [18:08]  Richardus Raymaker: nice [18:08]  Richardus Raymaker: hmmm [18:08]  Nebadon Izumi: we reset the database last night cause we moved asset server to SRAS [18:08] Richardus Raymaker: sras ? [18:08] Nebadon Izumi: but coyled knows about it, hopefully get it worked out today [18:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello [18:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya its our Ruby Asset server [18:08] Richardus Raymaker: hi andrew [18:08] Nebadon Izumi: that we run here on OSgrid [18:09] Justin Clark-Casey: very new? [18:09] Nebadon Izumi: actually danger grid is using the same server as the main grid now [18:09] Nebadon Izumi: not really we have been running SRAS here for a while now [18:09] Nebadon Izumi: works great [18:09] Nebadon Izumi: hang on i'll get the git URL [18:09] Justin Clark-Casey: :) [18:09]  Nebadon Izumi: http://github.com/coyled/sras/ [18:10]  Nebadon Izumi: it stores assets as Flat file on the har drive [18:10]  Nebadon Izumi: and does Hash Comparison to elimiante dupe assets [18:10]  Justin Clark-Casey: nice [18:10]  Nebadon Izumi: ya scales a bit nicer than the default Robust asset server [18:10]  Penny Lane: That's cool Neb [18:10]  Nebadon Izumi: storing blobs in the database is recipe for disaster [18:10]  Penny Lane: Aye [18:10]  Richardus Raymaker: bit offtopic, is osgrid useing 1u servers ? [18:11]  Nebadon Izumi: our asset servers are [18:11]  Richardus Raymaker: yes, the are now stored seperate ? [18:11]  Nebadon Izumi: im not sure about all the servers though [18:11]  Richardus Raymaker: how do you store the blobs now ? [18:11]  Nebadon Izumi: probably they all are though [18:11]  Nebadon Izumi: they are flat files on the hard disk [18:11] Nebadon Izumi: it creates sub directorys based on the UUID [18:12] Richardus Raymaker: nice. in the past it where called to store it seperate [18:12] Nebadon Izumi: for instance [18:12] Nebadon Izumi: if a assets uuid is 766eaf4a-6d14-4a6f-8d82-58281cadce18 [18:12] Richardus Raymaker: sund like the region cache does [18:12] Nebadon Izumi: the folder structure goes like this [18:12] Nebadon Izumi: /assets/766/eaf/766eaf4a-6d14-4a6f-8d82-58281cadce18 [18:12] Mic Bowman: hey justin [18:12] Nebadon Izumi: basiclly it works exactly the same way Flotsam cache works [18:12] Richardus Raymaker: bad thinking, but more easy to remove some asset from database to [18:13]  Nebadon Izumi: hey Mic [18:13] Justin Clark-Casey: Hi Mic [18:13] Mic Bowman: g'afternoon neb [18:13] Richardus Raymaker: helllo mic [18:14] Catharina Jacobus is Online [18:14] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: btw, are your scripts that automatically restart simulators after they crash avialable? [18:14] Nebadon Izumi: sure its super simple [18:14] Nebadon Izumi: Linux or windows? [18:14] Justin Clark-Casey: linux [18:14] Nebadon Izumi: k 1 sec [18:15] Nebadon Izumi: while ($TRUE); do ulimit -s 262144 && mono --debug OpenSim.exe -console=basic -name=sandbox; done [18:15] Nebadon Izumi: do ulimit isnt really required [18:15] Justin Clark-Casey: thanks :) I see it is simple [18:15]  Nebadon Izumi: it helps with physics issues [18:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: k [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its very reliable [18:16]  Richardus Raymaker: i just have my script finaly running without crash. the only bump is the not existing root agent in json [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: if you want something a bit more sophisticated [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: let me grab URL [18:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: this is a script that monitors opensim from the outside? [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: http://coyled.com/2010/07/07/monit-and-opensim/ [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: this explains how to use monit to restart sims that get stuck at 0fps [18:16]  Nebadon Izumi: and dont actually crash [18:16]  Richardus Raymaker: justin, it runs on the server. but use like monmit does remote admin yes [18:17]  Gennifer Eros: Nice, got logged out and came back ruthed [18:17] Nebadon Izumi: one of our servers is using that [18:17] Justin Clark-Casey: great, thanks [18:17] Nebadon Izumi: Gennifer ya that happens sometimes [18:17] Richardus Raymaker: i dotn see how that page explains the 0fps crash ? [18:17] Nebadon Izumi: you should be able to rewear your outfit again [18:17] Gennifer Eros: First time it has happened to me neb [18:17] Nebadon Izumi: ya ive never done it Richardus [18:17] Richardus Raymaker: just have my own one 90% runnign now [18:17] Gennifer Eros: Not nice [18:17] Nebadon Izumi: but im sure if you ask Coyled he can explain it better [18:17] paulie Flomar is Online [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: one of our plaza servers is running it though [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: and it works great [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: Lbsa Plaza, Sandbox Plaza II, and Bade Plaza [18:18] Justin Clark-Casey: looks like coyled has been doing a fair bit [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: if they get stuck at 0fps for 2 minutes it restarts them [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: yea [18:18] Richardus Raymaker: i tried it with screen. its painfull to parse command. and remote conmsole is worser. besides the example script dont work. [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: he is pretty proficient with alot of the stuff we needed in more traditional sense [18:18] Richardus Raymaker: need to look in the remote console thing again [18:18] Nebadon Izumi: like monit and nginx [18:19] Richardus Raymaker: but i monitor more then only .... [18:19] Andrew Hellershanks: On the subject of stats, I was noticing that ScrLPS is in both lines of the region summary provided by /SStats [18:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Its on the end of the first line and around the middle of the second. [18:21] Justin Clark-Casey: which file is that? [18:21] Richardus Raymaker: i dont see how you catch the ofps with this http://coyled.com/2010/07/07/monit-and-opensim/ [18:21] Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure if you ask Coyled Rich he can explain it better [18:21] Nebadon Izumi: he probably assumes you understand monit and opensim a bit [18:21] Nebadon Izumi: ive not actually attempted to get it working yet, i just have not had time [18:21] Richardus Raymaker: i solved it almost other way nebadon :) [18:21]  Nebadon Izumi: i would like to eventually though [18:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: Justin, it is in the output from an OS instance when you pass /SStats/ to the URL for the instance. [18:22]  Gennifer Eros: Hey andrew [18:22]  Nebadon Izumi: so what are you asking Andrew? [18:22]  Nebadon Izumi: are you asking what ScrLPS is? [18:22]  Nebadon Izumi: or just asking why its there twice? [18:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: Is there some reason for the duplication? [18:22]  Nebadon Izumi: ah, probably just cruft [18:22]  Andrew Hellershanks: They appear to be the same number. [18:22]  Nebadon Izumi: someone working to fast [18:23]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [18:23]  Nebadon Izumi: SStats is very old, and not maintained much anymore [18:23]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, np. Just spotted that when I was taking a closer look at all the next info you get from the webstats [18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: next info -> neat info [18:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya probably just accidental duplication [18:23] Andrew Hellershanks: Hey, Gennifer [18:23] Gennifer Eros: Long time no see [18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, ok. I may look at that and mantis it with a patch to remove the duplicated [18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: -d [18:24] Gennifer Eros: oops, sorry dahlia [18:24] Justin Clark-Casey: it might be duplicated. I'm looking at SimStatsAJAX and see it twice [18:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, yeah, it has been a long time Gennifer. [18:24] Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia [18:24] Nebadon Izumi: cool that would be great Andrew [18:24] Dahlia Trimble: hi :) [18:24]  Nebadon Izumi: we have tons of cleanup we need to do [18:24]  Nebadon Izumi: every little bit helps [18:24]  Gennifer Eros: Hoe have you been andrew? [18:24]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, sure, np. [18:25]  Justin Clark-Casey: but the SimStatsAJAX file is a bit obscure. The diplicate appears to be in setting out the html [18:25]  Gennifer Eros: Any word on the 0.7 upgrade schedule yet neb? [18:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: I'm still wading through all the stuff needed to getting osprofile working [18:25]  Nebadon Izumi: ya probably, the HTML for SStats is easy to edit [18:25]  Richardus Raymaker: ill stay with python :) [18:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, Been doing ok. Keeping busy and all that. [18:25] Nebadon Izumi: ive messed around with that a bit in the past [18:25] Nebadon Izumi: until sqlite stopped working for a while [18:25] Nebadon Izumi: then i sorta gave up on SStats [18:25] Gennifer Eros: As have I with my grid :) [18:25]  Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, how have you been? [18:25]  Nebadon Izumi: im still having problems with SQlite on master opensim [18:25]  Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: I think the root agents comes from the main statistics. It might be worth checking to see if the in-world statistics think there are still main gaents present or not [18:26]  Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, what file are you looking at? [18:26]  Nebadon Izumi: so far im unable to get a standalone started on the very newest OpenSim using sqlite [18:26]  Gennifer Eros: Pretty good thanks andrew, just come back from a week in spain [18:26]  Andrew Hellershanks: (save me from tracking it down) :-) [18:26] Nebadon Izumi: Andrew its been agest since i poked on SStats [18:26] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: what error do you see? [18:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, nice [18:26] Dahlia Trimble: with mono Nebadon? [18:26] Nebadon Izumi: yes Dahlia [18:26] Gennifer Eros: I got mine running 'out of the box' neb [18:26] Nebadon Izumi: ive only tried on Mono 2.4.2.3 and 2.6.7 [18:26] Nebadon Izumi: hang on Justin [18:26] Nebadon Izumi: i'll grab the error [18:27] Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon, found it. WebStatsModule [18:28] Nebadon Izumi: http://pastebin.com/iCPaLUJi [18:28] Nebadon Izumi: i have tried mono 2.4 and 2.6 [18:28] Nebadon Izumi: using both sqlite and sqlite legacy on both [18:28] Nebadon Izumi: so far ive not gotten it to start [18:28] Gennifer Eros: Mono sucks :) [18:28]  Nebadon Izumi: i was only testing because i saw others having issues too [18:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: that's wierd. I presume you're deleting all the *.db before trying? [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: i normally dont use it [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: yes [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ive done that several times [18:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: and you're not on a mac of course, right? [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: everytime this is the end result [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: heh no [18:29]  Gennifer Eros: lol [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: Linux x86 Suse 11.3 [18:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: that's wierd [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [18:29]  Dahlia Trimble: Ive not seen that one but I havent kept up with trunk for a month or so [18:29]  Nebadon Izumi: i havent had much time to do much about it [18:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: do any databases get created at all? [18:29]  Gennifer Eros: I run mine on windoze neb and it ran straight from the pull [18:29] Nebadon Izumi: especially since i dont use sqlite [18:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya [18:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: sqlite was fine on trunk when I tried it yesterday [18:30] Nebadon Izumi: though one is 0kbs [18:30] Nebadon Izumi: InventoryStore.db [18:30]  Richardus Raymaker: i think i have seen something like this before when i tried it with mysql. copy pasted the connector string complete again and then it worked. but this sqlite. [18:30] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I have to leave early today. Have to head out in a few minutes to run some errands [18:30] Nebadon Izumi: i tried mysql starts right up [18:30]  Dahlia Trimble: theres a couple different sqlite options in there somewhhere dependant on which mono you use [18:30] Justin Clark-Casey: bye andrew [18:30] Nebadon Izumi: kk Andrew no problem [18:30] Gennifer Eros: Take care andrew, nice to see you again [18:30] Andrew Hellershanks: Gennifer, you can often catch me at these weekly meetings [18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: (If I don't lose track of time or otherwise get busy) [18:31] Gennifer Eros: I never knew this was a weekly meeting lol [18:31] paulie Flomar is Offline [18:31] Nebadon Izumi: anyway if you think of anything Justin let me know i can test it, i know your busy [18:31] Andrew Hellershanks: they are. The transcripts of the meetings are posted online. [18:31] Nebadon Izumi: im not really sure if others are seeing this exact problem [18:31] Gennifer Eros: Will check them out [18:31] Nebadon Izumi: the problem i was testing for originally was fixed [18:31] Nebadon Izumi: but now i get this issue [18:31] Nebadon Izumi: and Jhurliman didnt really know [18:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Nebadon, I've removed the duplication in the stats from my local copy of OS. I'll test it when I get back home [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: this all started after jhurliman moved the database connection ini stuff [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: atleast for me [18:32]  Nebadon Izumi: ive not tested on older revisions [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: i could though [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: if that helps [18:32] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: how recently did this stop working? Oh right, recently? [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya couple days ago [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: i saw people in opensim-dev complaining about it not starting [18:32] Nebadon Izumi: it turned out jhruliman missed something in the ini [18:32] Gennifer Eros: lol [18:33] Nebadon Izumi: at that point it wasnt even creating any .db files [18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: yes [18:33] Nebadon Izumi: he then fixed that, but now i run into this, and not sure if anyone else is having this same problem now [18:33] Nebadon Izumi: havent seen anyone else mention it since then [18:33] Gennifer Eros: I only use sqlite in standalone mode to make sure all fires up [18:33]  Penny Lane: Justin: same question as every week --- Any news on policy change yet? [18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe two instances of simulatio ndata are possibly being started [18:33] Nebadon Izumi: Gennifer are you running the lastest opensim code? [18:33] Justin Clark-Casey: penny: lawyer delays. I am going to chase that up soon now [18:33] Nebadon Izumi: be great if you could test the newest code if not [18:33] Mic Bowman: speaking of which... what is the current ordering of configuration file loads? [18:34] Penny Lane: JCC: kk, tnx :-) [18:34]  Gennifer Eros: 0.7 yes but not for my sims here [18:34]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i figured, if you could grab the latest git code and test that would be great Gennifer [18:34]  Justin Clark-Casey: mic: you mean current as in from yesterday? [18:34]  Mic Bowman: i had opensimdefaults.ini from the distribution and my own complete opensim.ini ... none of the settings from opensim.ini were included [18:34]  Gennifer Eros: I can do that and try it sure [18:34]  Nebadon Izumi: bascilly i think nothings changed yet Mic [18:34]  Nebadon Izumi: accept the file name [18:34]  Justin Clark-Casey: mic: you should ask jhurliman, he was party to those changes [18:34]  Mic Bowman: or maybe nothing that was alredy defined in the defaults was included [18:35]  Gennifer Eros: The 0.7 I have I got using git [18:35]  Nebadon Izumi: but i think it is going to change soon [18:35] Nebadon Izumi: im sorta as in the dark as you are at the moment [18:35] Mic Bowman: ok... i just moved all my deploy scripts to write the defaults file [18:35] Gennifer Eros: Was maybe 4-6 weeks ago [18:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think thats all thats needed right now [18:35] Justin Clark-Casey: unsurprisingly nothing is being discussed beforehand, so people will just have to hold on [18:35]  Nebadon Izumi: ok Gennifer this changed happend in last few days [18:35] Nebadon Izumi: so if you could test the newest that would be great, if your interested [18:35] Nebadon Izumi: just be sure to make good backups [18:35] Gennifer Eros: Ahhhhhhh [18:35] Nebadon Izumi: cause it might break [18:36] Gennifer Eros: Have you tried the earlier version? [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: this way you can easily fall back if it doesnt start [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: not for a while no [18:36]  Nebadon Izumi: i was testing the changes made a few days ago [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: the .ini files have changed a bit though [18:36] Gennifer Eros: I ALWAYS make backups lol [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: so it would be good [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: if you could start totally fresh [18:36] Justin Clark-Casey: on you r issue, my guess would be that somehow a region is attempting to use the same uuid on two separate writes [18:36] Nebadon Izumi: and not use your current configurations [18:36] Gennifer Eros: With a standalone or a grid version? [18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: I take it you're starting up completely from scratch with no existing regions? [18:37] Nebadon Izumi: correct Justin [18:37] Nebadon Izumi: like i said i dont normally use sqlite [18:37] Nebadon Izumi: i started up a fresh standalone to test issues others were having [18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah [18:37] paulie Flomar is Online [18:37] Justin Clark-Casey: that's odd [18:37] Nebadon Izumi: ya [18:37]  Gennifer Eros: Neb, are you trying to use sqlite in grid mode? [18:38] Nebadon Izumi: everything seems right in the configs [18:38] Richardus Raymaker: and the problem exist offcorse not under windows [18:38] Nebadon Izumi: no [18:38]  Nebadon Izumi: it was a Standalone Gennifer [18:38] Gennifer Eros: Ok [18:38]  Justin Clark-Casey: might have to wait until somebody else runs into it, then hopefully jhurliman can fix it [18:38]  Nebadon Izumi: about as basic as i could make it [18:38]  Nebadon Izumi: just rename the examples [18:38] Andrew Hellershanks: See you all next week [18:38] Nebadon Izumi: and start up opensim [18:38] Justin Clark-Casey: bye andrew [18:38] Gennifer Eros: Thats what I did with my current 0.7 and it all worked [18:38] Dahlia Trimble: bye :) [18:39]  Gennifer Eros: Bye dahlia [18:39]  Nebadon Izumi: k ya give the newest version a shot, let me know how it goes, id like to get some confirmation if its just me or not [18:39]  Richardus Raymaker: sqlite gave me many times problem. but never use it. [18:39]  Dahlia Trimble: I was saying bye to andrew ;) [18:39] Gennifer Eros: oops :) [18:40]  Gennifer Eros: I will try it tomorow neb, its getting late here and I like to be awake whan doing a new install lol [18:40]  Gennifer Eros: when* [18:40]  Nebadon Izumi: ya no problem [18:40]  Nebadon Izumi: the more people we get testinging it easier it will be to know where the problem is [18:40]  Gennifer Eros: I can catch you on icq tomorrow and let you know [18:40]  Nebadon Izumi: great, thanks [18:40]  Gennifer Eros: oops, not icq [18:40]  Gennifer Eros: The other one [18:40]  Nebadon Izumi: IRC [18:40]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [18:41]  Nebadon Izumi: i figured thats what you meant [18:41]  Gennifer Eros: Thats the one :) [18:41] Richardus Raymaker: do you have the get line nebadon ? [18:41] Nebadon Izumi: though who knows you can probably connecto to IRC with ICQ [18:41] Nebadon Izumi: get line? [18:41] Gennifer Eros: More than likely [18:41] Nebadon Izumi: you mean the git clone command? [18:42] Nebadon Izumi: git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim [18:42] Nebadon Izumi: ? [18:42] Gennifer Eros: Thats the one I use [18:42] Nebadon Izumi: but like i said make sure you use the new ini's [18:42]  Nebadon Izumi: dont try to drop in your old ones [18:42] Nebadon Izumi: there have been some changes made [18:43] Richardus Raymaker: then i can try a blank one with unchanged ini files [18:43] Nebadon Izumi: the database configuration has been moved into /config-include now [18:43] Nebadon Izumi: in StandaloneCommon.ini [18:43] Gennifer Eros: I extract mine into the docs folder then move it to the root so I never overwrite neb [18:43] paulie Flomar is Offline [18:44] Nebadon Izumi: cool [18:44] Nebadon Izumi: that works [18:44] Richardus Raymaker: downloading [18:45] Gennifer Eros: My current version runs from a bin directory off the root and my sims here run from a 0.609 directory [18:45] Nebadon Izumi: but back on the topic of moving to 0.7 for osgrid, still no real ETA, we are working hard on it, few of the modules still dont work [18:45] Gennifer Eros: 0.6.9 even [18:45] Nebadon Izumi: that are one of the things holding us up currently [18:45] Nebadon Izumi: Groups and Profiles [18:46] Nebadon Izumi: and some of the website stuff, but were chipping away at it [18:46]  Gennifer Eros: I have a freind working on those :) [18:46]  Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, groups :( [18:46] Gennifer Eros: He says he has groups more or less working now [18:46] Nebadon Izumi: teleporting has me a bit concerned too [18:46] Nebadon Izumi: but i think we can probably get that fixed before we switch [18:46] Nebadon Izumi: when you teleport it seems to retain the parcel data from the previous sim you were in [18:46]  Nebadon Izumi: in about land [18:46] Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: is he planning on publishing that work? [18:47] Nebadon Izumi: it also seems to maybe carry some permissions forward [18:47] Gennifer Eros: Maybe :) [18:47]  Nebadon Izumi: so like if build is enabled in the sim you came from [18:47]  Gennifer Eros: He is working for me lol [18:47]  Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: that sounds like something melanie would fix [18:47]  Nebadon Izumi: but not in the sim you land it might not be honoring it completely [18:47]  Richardus Raymaker: we really need groups the way its now. before the switch. else i think lots of things break for people [18:47]  Gennifer Eros: But yes if he does do it I will make it public [18:47]  Nebadon Izumi: there is an open mantis i just confirmed the other day [18:47]  Justin Clark-Casey: k [18:47]  Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: thanks. Is that with security intact? [18:48]  Justin Clark-Casey: I think we have seen a module that made things work but ripped all the security out [18:48]  Nebadon Izumi: actually i think they were just using a really old version Justin [18:48] Richardus Raymaker: thats bad. [18:48] Gennifer Eros: He says so yes and also a working currency module he said [18:48] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: oh ok [18:48]  Justin Clark-Casey: gennifer: nice - would be really good to see that [18:48] Nebadon Izumi: ya i did a diff and looking at it it looked like a very old version of groups [18:48] Cuddles McCann: with 7.0.2 I'm getting 'unknown' in the region name in about land on both Cuddles' World and the college grid. [18:48] Nebadon Izumi: alot of the stuff was just short circuited because it was so incomplete a the time [18:49] Nebadon Izumi: so basiclly it would just always work [18:49] Justin Clark-Casey: cuddles: haven't heard of that bug before [18:49] Richardus Raymaker: hi ruben [18:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya well if you are running into bugs be sure to open mantis files [18:49] Ruben Haan: hi :) [18:49]  Gennifer Eros: I see that here sometimes [18:49]  Nebadon Izumi: http://opensimulator.org/mantis [18:49]  Gennifer Eros: Evening ruben [18:49]  Mic Bowman: gotta go all.. [18:49]  Justin Clark-Casey: bye mic [18:50]  Nebadon Izumi: kk mic, thanks for stoping by [18:50]  Catharina Jacobus: oh hi to all of you :) [18:50] Richardus Raymaker: and also close them if the are solved ^^ [18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: hi catherina [18:50] Nebadon Izumi: one of these days ill get back over to sciencesim [18:50] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [18:50] Justin Clark-Casey: sorry, catharina [18:50] Gennifer Eros: Hello cat [18:50] Nebadon Izumi: well on another note [18:50] Catharina Jacobus: :) [18:50]  Nebadon Izumi: this sim is currently running ODE 11.1 [18:50]  Nebadon Izumi: ive been testing it here the last few days [18:50]  Gennifer Eros: ooooohhhh [18:50]  Richardus Raymaker: cool [18:50]  Nebadon Izumi: happy to say it didnt crash yet [18:50]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [18:51]  Gennifer Eros: lol [18:51]  Richardus Raymaker: ssst [18:51]  Gennifer Eros: Famous last words? [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: this is the biggest load since i dropped the new ODE dll here [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: ive been testing it at my sandbox though [18:51]  Richardus Raymaker: possible the can drop it in 0.7 ? [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: its been doing great there [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: yea [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: hang on [18:51]  Nebadon Izumi: http://www.onikenkon.com/ode [18:51]  Justin Clark-Casey: nice [18:52]  Nebadon Izumi: i recompiled a new version couple days ag [18:52]  Justin Clark-Casey: I see no one is chucking balls around yet, though :) [18:52] Nebadon Izumi: from the ODE SVN [18:52] Nebadon Izumi: my racer was doing awesome on my sandbox [18:52] Nebadon Izumi: i was even driving it around here the other day [18:52] Nebadon Izumi: though this sims not the best for driving around in [18:52]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [18:52] Justin Clark-Casey: very nice [18:52] Gennifer Eros: lol [18:53] Nebadon Izumi: ya, i did have some issues testing on win64 running in native x64 on windows [18:53] Gennifer Eros: I always use vs 2008 [18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but thats not really that suprising [18:53] Nebadon Izumi: but x86 windows and x86/64 linux work great with it [18:53]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) e7e9e67: 2010-09-07 21:05:10 +0100 (Unix/Mono) [18:54] Gennifer Eros: A stupid question neb but are you trying the new version on windoze or linux? [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: both [18:54] Gennifer Eros: Ok [18:54]  Nebadon Izumi: SeaPrior Plaza and Teravus Plaza are both running it also [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: as is This region [18:54] Gennifer Eros: Well I only use windoze [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and OSgrid Welcome Station [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and OKC Sandbox [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: and im also testing it on Danger Grid [18:54] Nebadon Izumi: on Mayflower [18:55] Nebadon Izumi: so far not seen any ill effects [18:55] Richardus Raymaker: for now the latest git from the url in chat start fine here nebadon. i go login now [18:55] Nebadon Izumi: but it needs alot more testing [18:55] Nebadon Izumi: and perhaps some more tweaking too [18:55] Nebadon Izumi: you may find some oddities [18:55] Nebadon Izumi: but Revolution and Myself have gone over it quite a bit [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: you can see some of the things we commented out in the ode code in the compile notes [18:56] Justin Clark-Casey: k. At some poitn we can update the master code version [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: to fix some wierd crashes in opensim [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: ya that would be great [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: id like to get Teravus to take a once over look too [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: but hes been really busy lately [18:56] Richardus Raymaker: Version: OpenSim 0.7.1 Dev (interface version 6) only renamed the STandalonecOMMON.INI oops caps. did not changed anything here opensim starts fine [18:56] Nebadon Izumi: but in the meantime no reason we cant test it independantly of core [18:57] Nebadon Izumi: but for now please dont file any mantis just yet [18:57] Nebadon Izumi: if you run into bugs let me know [18:57] Nebadon Izumi: but so far im pretty happy with results [18:57] Nebadon Izumi: my racer feels much smoother [18:57] Nebadon Izumi: turning especially [18:58] Nebadon Izumi: though some of that also comes from the App Domain change to Xengine [18:58] Nebadon Izumi: for those who havent done that yet, i highly recommend that change also [18:58] Nebadon Izumi: in your [Xengine] section of OpenSim.ini [18:58] Nebadon Izumi: change AppDomainLoading = true [18:58] Nebadon Izumi: to AppDomainLoading = false [18:59] Nebadon Izumi: you will use an insane less amount of ram and threads for xengine [18:59] Nebadon Izumi: all the plazas are on this setting now too [18:59] Gennifer Eros: I save my driving for rl lol [18:59] Nebadon Izumi: and uptimes and memory consumption is a lot better [18:59] Nebadon Izumi: show stats says this region is using 446mb [18:59] Richardus Raymaker: its now already hard to hit the 350MB linit with RSS :) mono gives always memory back :O [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: top says 1gb [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: thats crazy [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe [19:00]  Richardus Raymaker: thats good [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: considering with AppDomainLoading = true [19:00]  Gennifer Eros: neb, want to pate the git url again save me typing it in [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: we would be using about 5gb ram right now [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: sure [19:00]  Gennifer Eros: paste* [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: git clone git://opensimulator.org/git/opensim [19:00]  Richardus Raymaker: sad news for you nebadon. the latest 0.7.1 started it again it still runs. [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: wierd [19:00]  Nebadon Izumi: i guess thats good though [19:01]  Nebadon Izumi: but i wonder why i cant get it too run