Chat log from the meeting on 2017-02-21

[11:06] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: hmm, user names also loading slow. I've never seen "(Loading...)" as a name in chat. [11:06] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: It only just finished rezzing for me. [11:08] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I see all names, but I came in early. [11:09] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Code development has ground to a halt the last few weeks afaict. [11:09] George Equus: No problems with rez or names for me [11:09] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: There has been no changes in git master since Feb 2. [11:10] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: I was going to observe the same Andrew @git master [11:10] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: There might be work being done on a branch. I don't know of an easy way to determine that. [11:11] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: so many changes have been by Ubit - he must be otherwise occupied. [11:12] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I haven't done much work on anything related to OpenSim this past week or so. I've been working on another project of mine. [11:12] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: James, could be. [11:13] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: One thing I have started working on recently is updating OpenSimSearch and OpenSimProfile modules to use PDO calls instead of mysql calls. [11:14] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: When I updated my computer to Mint 17 I wound up with PHP 7. All mysql_* calls have been dropped in 7 so I can't use those two modules until I update the PHP code files. [11:14] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I thought of using mysqli instead but decided to use PDO. [11:15] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: ouch [11:15] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yea. Nothing like finding oneself in a situation where one is forced to update some code. It was on the ToDo list. It just became a higher priority after I updated my machine. :) [11:16] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I've updated the register.php and query.php files in OpenSimSearch. The query.php file needs testing. [11:16] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: The last part I still need to update is the parser.php file. [11:16] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: yes. it's a lot of work, but if it's good in the long term it can be worth it. [11:17] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Once I've finished with the search module I'll work on the changes needed for the PHP files in the profile module. [11:17] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: James, it is turning out to be rather easy to make the changes. It just takes a bit of time. [11:18] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I'm also not sure whether I can use a parameter twice in a SQL query and only list it once when the parameter binding takes place. [11:22] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Other than my work on the PHP files used with the search and profile modules I don't have any other news or updates about Open Simulator project this week. [11:23] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Does anyone else have anything they wish to discuss? [11:23] Nebadon Izumi: been running around like a crazy person lately :) [11:24] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: As long as you are running around *like* a crazy person rather because you *are* a crazy person its all good. :) [11:24] Nebadon Izumi: I got a Asus Tinkerboard today from Amazon [11:24] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Tinkerboard? Sounds like some development platform device. [11:24] Nebadon Izumi: http://hackaday.com/2017/02/15/review-the-asus-tinker-board/ [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: its basically a more beefy Raspberry Pi [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: 1.8ghz with 2gb ram [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: same exact footprint [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: fit right into a raspberry pi case [11:26] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: There has been a few companies trying to make a better Pi. [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: https://www.asus.com/uk/Single-board-Computer/TINKER-BOARD/ [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: yea this one seems very nice [11:26] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Nice. How much are they asking for it? [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: all i did so far was boot it up with TinkerOS, basically Debian [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: it was 60$ [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: little bit more expensive [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: but its about twice as fast as the Pi2 [11:26] Nebadon Izumi: and maybe like 30%-40% faster than pi3 [11:27] Nebadon Izumi: it has wifi and bluetooth [11:27] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: oh, nice. [11:27] Nebadon Izumi: pretty good deal [11:27] Nebadon Izumi: its compatible with almost all the raspberry pi accessories too [11:27] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: hm... $60US. That's going to be about twice the cost of a Pi for me. [11:27] Nebadon Izumi: even the LCD boards and stuff [11:27] Nebadon Izumi: yea its about twice for me too [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: though realistically its hard to get a pi for less than 40$ [11:28] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I still haven't fired up my Pi3 since I got the other power adapter. [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: for just the board [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: I was mostly excited more about 2gb ram [11:28] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yea. [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: than anything [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: but having a faster CPU is nice too [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: once i get some more time i will really put it through the paces [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: but so far its really nice I cant complain at all [11:29] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: The Tinkerboard isn't even listed on Amazon.ca [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: its really new [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: like just a few days [11:29] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: You will have to let us know how it performs when running OpenSim. [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: i was surprised i got one so easily [11:30] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: ok. [11:30] Nebadon Izumi: infact they havent officially launched it yet [11:30] Nebadon Izumi: i got one of the really early ones [11:30] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Oh? You did get lucky to get a hold of one. [11:30] Nebadon Izumi: yea [11:30] Nebadon Izumi: right from Amazon, i was happy, prime too even [11:30] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: When the Pi Zero came out it took me ages to get a hold of one. [11:30] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: amazing [11:31] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Wow. They even color code the plastic of the GPIO header. [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: yea [11:32] Nebadon Izumi: its very flashy compared to the Pi [11:34] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: The extra cost of the Tinkerboard isn't that much vs. a Pi when you consider what it costs to add WiFi and Bluetooth support to a Pi. [11:35] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: truly [11:36] Nebadon Izumi: yea, though the pi3 has wifi and bluetooth also [11:36] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: What OS would you use to run opensim? [11:37] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yea, I was just remembering that. [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: on a Pi? [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: or just in general? [11:37] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: on the Asus [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: oh there is only one option at the moment [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: TinkerOS [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: which is basically Debian with LXDE [11:37] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: They had to roll their own OS due to the different CPU on the board? [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: they say there will eventually be Arch and OpenSuSE support though [11:37] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: oh, I see. I saw the chromium browser and thought chromeOS [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: its a pretty standard CPU [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: very poplular one, its about 2-3 years old [11:38] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yea. It says Quadcore ARM. Not sure why they wanted to roll their own. [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: ah no, though im sure eventually it will run ChromeOS or even Android [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: well its a little faster than the Raspberry Pi, its probaby similar to something they use in their Phones [11:38] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I like how for $74 and change you can get installation included. [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: haha [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: Asus makes a bunch of Phones and tablets [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: so no doubt its common hardware they are already using elsewhere [11:39] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: I've had ASUS mboards for pc [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: almost everything i have is Asus [11:39] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Amazon site says -> Service will take place at the customer's location. Removal of existing motherboard from desktop. Installation of one customer-supplied motherboard. Installing new drivers. Component test and cleanup. [11:39] Nebadon Izumi: about 80% of my hardware is asus [11:40] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Its just a small SBC. Someone will come to my house to swap the current board out?? hehe. [11:40] Nebadon Izumi: haha yea thats probably just a common service they offer for anything categorized as a "motherboard" [11:40] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yeah. [11:40] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: lol @amazon [11:41] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Could almost be interesting to go for the install option and see what amazon would do. [11:41] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:41] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Nebadon, have you seen/heard anything from Melanie or Ubit in the last week or so? [11:41] Nebadon Izumi: no I have not, i was in sweden for 10 days though [11:42] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: ok [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: and came back kind of sick, had a cold [11:42] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: There has been no code changes to git master branch since Feb 2. [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: so ive been still kind of in recovery mode, and buys with work at same time [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: oh hrmm [11:42] Nebadon Izumi: has it really been that long? [11:42] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: yup. [11:42] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: Equally curious about Diva - for hypergrid questions. [11:42] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: sorry to hear you have been sick. [11:43] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: Were you in Sweden? Was there terror? [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: no I havent heard much from Diva either [11:43] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: hehe... biological warfare. It got nebadon and made him ill. ;) [11:43] George Equus: You are in luck Neb, we had snow this morning... you missed that! [11:44] Simulator Version v0.5 ruft: OpenSim 0.9.1.0 Dev       056ccae: 2017-01-27 21:43:25 +0000 (Unix/Mono) [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: yea I am not missing the snow and cold [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: its actually quite warm here at the moment [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: i have my window open and fans blowing [11:44] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: It is warm for this time of year where I am. About 5C and expected to go up to about 12C in another day or so. [11:44] George Equus: Me neither... totally unnecessary, spring on its way and all.... sigh [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: 53F here [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: but being up on the second floor of house it gets quite warm [11:45] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org nods [11:45] James.atLLOUD @hg.osgrid.org: 58F in Wisconsin USA.  In Feberary [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: I actually need to buy a new Air conditioner soon [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: once it gets hot with all these computers, the house air conditioner does nothing up stairs here [11:46] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: 5C -> 41F [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: i had a nice floor unit but it burned out end of last summer [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: i need to replace it soon [11:46] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: You need to put the computers in the basement so they can heat the house in the winter. [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: I do have some down there [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: these are my work stations though [11:46] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: ok [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: its a small room [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: and second floor, it just traps in the heat [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: only 1 small window [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks nods [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: Hm... my computer is now showing a rain icon. [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: i'll probably get a 12,000 btu window unit this time [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: floor unit was nice, but it takes up space [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: If there isn't anything else OS related for today we might as well close todays meeting and let you all head about your business. [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: ok yea I will see if I can chase down some of the other devs now that I am kind of settled back in [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: maybe just taking a short break or something [11:48] James atLLOUD: I'm curious - has there been any feedback in IRC about the Infinite Metaverse Alliance? [11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been busy on some scripts to convert schematics from an old program I use to the one I'm now using. [11:48] Nebadon Izumi: I dont even know what that is [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: I got an invite to it but I haven't pursued it. [11:49] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: http://lists.infinitemetaverse.org/ [11:49] James atLLOUD: ty selby [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: i have been barely paying attention in IRC, i was offline for a bit [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: Info about that hit my email a few days ago. [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: thanks [11:49] James atLLOUD: even that Neb is better than I w/ regard to IRC [11:50] James atLLOUD: OK - thanks. [11:51] James atLLOUD: In some way, I think this group could pick up where Overte was intended to go. [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: yea, I wonder is Avacon aware of this stuff? [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: make sure you guys keep in touch with Joyce [11:52] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: We are in touch with Joyce. [11:52] James atLLOUD: I believe non-profit commons is planning an event. [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: great [11:53] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I hope to set up a web-world for nonprofit commons [11:53] James atLLOUD: Oh cool Selby. [11:53] George Equus: Ferd Frederix has done some great work on Hyperica, lots of new gates [11:54] James atLLOUD: I've not been there for a long time. [11:54] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I have a friend working on it -- Web-worlds are not like OpenSim [11:54] George Equus: Fresh papers and back issues available there too [11:54] James atLLOUD: Ah ok. I am very bad at conflating things. [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: conflating? [11:54] George Equus: Me neither.. [11:55] James atLLOUD: combining two unrelated items to something representative of neither. [11:56] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: I will do an article on Hyperica soon -- I think Fred can make the hypergates work [11:56] George Equus: Most I tried worked fine [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: Selby, how are those hypergates different from ones that already exist? [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: ok guys I need to run, but if I hear something from the devs I will pass it along [11:58] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: The last time i tried, most of the hypergates were not working there -- [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: I am mostly back around now though [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, thank you all for coming. Sorry there wasn't much in the way of news this week.