Chat log from the meeting on 2013-04-02

 [11:02] Nebadon Izumi is online. [11:03] Justin Clark-Casey: hi folks [11:03] Richardus Raymaker: hi justin [11:03] Vivian Klees: hi JCC [11:03] Neovo Geesink: Hello justin [11:03] Teravus Ousley: hallo! [11:03] Nebadon Izumi: hey there justin [11:04] Kayaker Magic: Oh I mis-typed earlier, my server is only running 7 sims. I started to type 6, and changed it to 7, but missed delete and wrote 67!!! [11:04] dan banner: lol [11:04] Richardus Raymaker: oh thats a whole difference [11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: I feel some peopla ctually do attempt to run 67 on one simulator... [11:04] Andrew Hellershanks is online. [11:04] dan banner: hi justin [11:05] Vivian Klees: yep n 2gb of ram [11:05] Richardus Raymaker: on vps ... [11:05] Justin Clark-Casey: heh [11:05] Dahlia Trimble: hi [11:05] Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia [11:05] Teravus Ousley: hallo dahlia [11:05] Vivian Klees: 768kbps uplink [11:06] Vivian Klees: no clue why it lags [11:07] Justin Clark-Casey: anyway, how are folks today? [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: who have a bit more profile (php) knowledge with classifieds ? [11:07] Teravus Ousley is less then optimal today.. but OKniftyCoolSpace [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: i try to get that working, but it seems the ad dont get published say the viewer. so no desciption etc. [11:08] Dahlia Trimble is sleeoyzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ [11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: sorry to hear that [11:08] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: unfortunately I have never looked at it [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: This place seemed quite laggy after I logged in. Don't know if that was just me or not. [11:08] Kayaker Magic: I'm doing GREAT Justin, and my sims are also running good! [11:08] Richardus Raymaker: ok, justin. melanie would maby know. i understand it pretty good. only classified bite me. understand much more the last time with opensim modules [11:09] Neovo Geesink: We have some issues too Andrew... [11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: kayaker: I'm glad to hear someone's are :) [11:09] Richardus Raymaker: hi andrew [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: just have you done anything in core that would have effected the "SynchrounousRestObjetRequester"? [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: hey, Richardus [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: seeing a lot of slow messages on the plazas [11:09] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: no [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: but I am not seeing it on any of my personal regions [11:09] Nebadon Izumi: strange [11:10] Justin Clark-Casey: the only thing I can think of recently that might affect things is the builtin c# httpserver updates [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: thought maybe you added some new debug stuff or something [11:10] Dahlia Trimble: So Justin, are you really working for LL now or was that a 4/1 joke? [11:10] Justin Clark-Casey: but teravus might know more about that [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks is offline. [11:10] Kayaker Magic: LMAO! [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks is online. [11:10] Richardus Raymaker: justin for LL.. i would never believe that [11:10] Justin Clark-Casey: dahlia: Yes, I am now Justin Linden [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: really? [11:11] Dahlia Trimble: OMG [11:11] Richardus Raymaker: eep [11:11] dan banner: say what? [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Darn. My net connection dropped just as there was a big announcement? [11:11] Dahlia Trimble giggles... [11:11] Kayaker Magic: It's not still 4/1 in Europe now is it? [11:11] Justin Clark-Casey: no :) [11:11] Richardus Raymaker: ist 4/2 [11:12] Neovo Geesink: Nope, Its allready 4/2 @ 20:12 CET [11:12] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm not going to be working on SL though, I'm going to be working on a new minecraft inspired project [11:12] Teravus Ousley: httpServer should be better [11:12] Teravus Ousley: .. not worse :) [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: That was the 6th time my net connection dropped today [11:12] Richardus Raymaker: tape it betetr to the table andrew [11:13] Dahlia Trimble: oh and I was going to start an openpatterns project too :/ [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: :--) [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: your working on Patterns? [11:13] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: yeah, I'm just fearful of the unknown ;) And you did put those warnings on the commits. [11:13] Justin Clark-Casey: no, I'm working on anti-patterns [11:13] Nebadon Izumi: lol [11:13] Teravus Ousley nods. The biggest thing that I'm worried about with it.. is connections prematurely closing [11:14] Teravus Ousley: only on *nix, though. [11:14] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: I did actually have some questions about that, but more where they do not close [11:14] Dahlia Trimble: the websockets? ya they dont want to close [11:15] Dahlia Trimble: I catch a send exception and then delete them [11:15] Teravus Ousley: well, regular connections, should be closing, keepalive should be closing eventually.. depending on last activity [11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: I see that if you do a PHP stream_get_contents, the second call is always delayed because the PHP side doesn't close the connection [11:15] Dahlia Trimble: in your echo example they dont seem to be deleted from the hashet ever [11:15] Justin Clark-Casey: and the simulator side does not either [11:16] Richardus Raymaker: ok. now im lost whats opensim doing with php in this storie [11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: evein if you put Connection: close in the header [11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: but oddly, if you put ReuseContext = true on the OpenSimulator side, it does close the connection after the call [11:16] Justin Clark-Casey: which is counter to what I would naively expect [11:16] Teravus Ousley: Yes.. reuse context is a context recycling method. [11:17] Teravus Ousley: so it's not recreating new contexts, it's just cleaning them and re-enquing them [11:17] Teravus Ousley: Normal connections shouldn't use that. [11:17] Justin Clark-Casey: when would you want t use that? [11:17] Teravus Ousley: because it turns off a lot of the free handling that httpserver does for you. [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: Richardus its for websockets stuff [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: custom modules [11:17] Teravus Ousley: You want to use that for polling. [11:18] Richardus Raymaker: aha. thx neb [11:18] Teravus Ousley: The event queue uses that. It allows the IOCP thread to end and you to pass the context on to a dedicated thread [11:18] Justin Clark-Casey: if the caller put Connection: close in the header, should the c# webserver be closing the connection? [11:18] Justin Clark-Casey: after the call [11:18] Teravus Ousley: The event queue is a special circumstance [11:19] Teravus Ousley: This is how it uses a limited set of threads instead of one per user in constant blockage [11:19] Teravus Ousley: To be honest, you' [11:20] Teravus Ousley: .. you'd probably need to test that the EventQueue doesn't add that to the header.. to make sure it doesn't break anything [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: Connection: close? [11:20] Teravus Ousley: yes [11:20] Teravus Ousley: keepalives are mostly used for images [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: I don't think it does but I haven't looked [11:20] Justin Clark-Casey: keepalive isn't the default? [11:21] Teravus Ousley: no [11:21] Justin Clark-Casey: no, I guess not [11:21] Justin Clark-Casey: so would we expect the server to normally close the connection after a request has been serviced? [11:21] Teravus Ousley: yes, if you don't set anything, it will close when done. [11:22] Teravus Ousley: If you futz with the http response settings, it may not do what you expect. [11:22] Justin Clark-Casey: Okay, at least with a simple call to remoteadmin that doesn't seem to happen [11:22] Justin Clark-Casey: Such as http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Remoteadmin:admin_get_agents#PHP [11:22] Richardus Raymaker: dont want to disturb that talk. but about xml (profile.php) i know howto log the xml opensim sends. but is there a good way to figure out what format opensim wants back. learned already lots that way. only the feedback to opensim i can use some hints. [11:22] Teravus Ousley: Can you point me at the module? [11:22] Richardus Raymaker: hmm. dont break remote admin :O [11:22] Teravus Ousley: If you want me to test it? [11:23] Richardus Raymaker: to who you usk teravus ? [11:23] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: could the profile stuff wait a moment? [11:23] Richardus Raymaker: yes justin.. [11:23] Justin Clark-Casey: The module is OpenSim/ApplicationPlugins/RemoteController/RemoveAdminPlugin [11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: If you do have time,. it would be helpful if you could test if ionly to confirm what I'm seeing (though this has also been reported in a mantis) [11:24] Justin Clark-Casey: I had a quick look through the c# webserver but I couldn't see that this would be connected with any of your changes - it could be the way that it has been behaving for a long time [11:25] Teravus Ousley: ok, just need to take a look at the module.. because that's where the params would be affected [11:26] Teravus Ousley: You should be able to test by doing a regular old GET request in telnet [11:26] Justin Clark-Casey: and if the connection isn't closed a second request would be delayed? [11:27] Teravus Ousley: depends, If Reuse context is ON, then maybe. [11:27] Teravus Ousley: if Reuse Context is off, then no [11:27] Justin Clark-Casey: ok [11:27] Justin Clark-Casey: btw, is the "HttpServer Internal Zombie Timeout Checker" thread new? [11:28] Teravus Ousley: yes [11:28] Teravus Ousley: it closes connections on partial and dos attempt connections. [11:28] Teravus Ousley: It also closes the keepalive thread after the 300 second timeout. [11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: c# webserver wasn't doing that already? [11:29] Teravus Ousley: No, it wasn't. [11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: ok [11:29] Justin Clark-Casey: out of interest, did you look at any alternative c# webservers? [11:29] Teravus Ousley: No. I tend to work on what I know and understand.. I don't tend to uproot the whole HTTP server process :) [11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: I understand. Just makes me uncomfortable the more code we have that is unique to us :) [11:30] Teravus Ousley: It's not being supported anyway.. [11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: but yeah, uprooting the whole server would be a big deal [11:30] Teravus Ousley: So I'm not concerned. [11:30] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that server was udated, then he made it use some other sockets [11:30] Justin Clark-Casey: at least the unmaintained stuff had previously been banged on [11:30] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: more integrated into his work. [11:31] Teravus Ousley: technically the project is depreciated and the owner has moved on to a differnt project that uses his own custom network stuff. [11:31] Richardus Raymaker: better update http early then like LL 6 years to late [11:31] Justin Clark-Casey nods [11:31] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: tes Ter [11:31] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: *yes [11:31] Justin Clark-Casey: it's a pity there's such a paucity of this stuff on the c# side [11:31] Justin Clark-Casey: or .net side I should say [11:31] Teravus Ousley: well, the biggest issue with using the normal .NET HttpServer object is.. billions of threads for things like the eventqueue. [11:32] Teravus Ousley: Billions is an exaggeration.. but.. thread ugliness ensues. [11:32] Justin Clark-Casey: ok [11:33] Teravus Ousley: I ended up being the one to hack the thread model so it's a good fit for the eventqueue. Previously.. it did the same thing just with IOCP threads instead of Threadpool threads. [11:33] Justin Clark-Casey: this is now using the built in thread pool? [11:33] Teravus Ousley: no [11:33] Teravus Ousley: This is using IOCP threads.. and, you can service the context in different threads. [11:34] Teravus Ousley: there by allowing a single thread to service multiple event queue requests.. [11:34] Justin Clark-Casey: ok [11:34] Teravus Ousley: .. anyway.. that's the nitty gritty [11:34] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm not sure how many eq requests there actually are - it doesn't seem to get used a huge amount [11:35] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: ok, sorry about that - I just don't always get a chance to speak to teravus [11:35] Justin Clark-Casey: richardus: the profile stuff is just a drop in dll right? [11:35] Richardus Raymaker: its ok. [11:35] Richardus Raymaker: yes. [11:36] Richardus Raymaker: i have the source code on disk to [11:36] Justin Clark-Casey: then unfortunately without documentation (haha), I think you would hav eto look at the source code [11:36] Richardus Raymaker: it seems to work fine for many. only not for me [11:36] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: use the source Luke [11:36] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol [11:36] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: what issue are you having RiRa ? [11:37] Richardus Raymaker: also i see soem (bad) things in xml that get returned. need to look more into it. but it seems to send \n commands back [11:37] Richardus Raymaker: Hi bluewall [11:37] Justin Clark-Casey: \n commands? [11:38] Richardus Raymaker: i try to get profiles working. well it works. expcept classified. it seems to create the data in mysql. it also create some date in the viewer. but desciptions and some other things are greyed out. also viewer say ad not published [11:38] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: classifieds are par of search in that module [11:38] Richardus Raymaker: \n escapa character is maby betetr name [11:38] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I changed that in the one I have been working on [11:38] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, are you using both the search and profile modules? [11:38] Richardus Raymaker: i try to figure classified out, but cant figure out what opensim wants back [11:39] Richardus Raymaker: uhmm. [11:39] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: in the present profiles module, ht esearch and profiles must be in the same database [11:39] Richardus Raymaker: i have search php code installed to so i think i use both [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, I noted that in the README for search. I need to check if I have updated/commited the readme for profile. [11:39] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.7.6 Dev         9fee431: 2013-03-30 01:21:16 +0000 (Unix/Mono) [11:39] Teravus Ousley: So, I found it [11:39] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: that is brokem, IMHO, but that is the way it was written [11:40] Richardus Raymaker: aha. see. i knew something like that where the las time my problem to.. then thats possible my problem.. [11:40] Teravus Ousley: In base http server, line 1042, it's setting keepalive [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks reads the scrollback as he was somewhat distracted. [11:40] Teravus Ousley: response.KeepAlive = keepAlive; [11:41] Richardus Raymaker: i have made some updated php scipts for profile and offlien im so its useing mysqli instead of deprecated mysql [11:41] Justin Clark-Casey: true, but that should be false from line 997 [11:41] Justin Clark-Casey: sorry, line 1002 [11:41] Justin Clark-Casey: the rpc stuff sets keelAplive to false... [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, from the ossearch README -> If you have already installed the add-on module osprofile you should use the same database as osprofile as it shares some tables in common with ossearch. [11:42] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: the handler calls search to fillin the classified parts of the profile [11:43] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: from line 177 in RemoteAdminPlugin [11:43] Teravus Ousley: the default is true in general usage. [11:43] Teravus Ousley: line 215, base http server [11:43] Vivian Klees: when was mysql deprecated? [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: ? [11:43] Richardus Raymaker: testig it now andrew [11:43] Teravus Ousley: .. I hear what you're saying though. [11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, RemoteAdminPulgin overrides that. I'm not sure the default should be true necessarily [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Vivian: MySQL isn't deprecated. [11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: vivian: er, what? [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: Did you mean to type MSSQL? [11:44] Teravus Ousley: Is /me tries to dig up a PHP server to test on.. [11:44] Vivian Klees: read back to wgat Rich said [11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: could you just try telnet yourself? [11:44] Justin Clark-Casey: he's talking about some php thing [11:45] Richardus Raymaker: vivian the php mysql command get deprecated. so you better replace it slowly for mysqli [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Vivian: He was referring to the use of mysqli calls vs the older mysql calls in PHP code. [11:45] Teravus Ousley: Sure, just not sure how to do that. [11:45] Teravus Ousley: There's PHP code on the page you referred me to [11:45] Richardus Raymaker: sofar i undestand the code [11:45] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, it wouldn't invoke the xmlrpc call [11:45] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: yes - can just run it on the command line but I guess that could be a pain if you're windows [11:46] Justin Clark-Casey: there are other example scripts with python code if that helps for other commands [11:46] Teravus Ousley: Another interesting thing.. [11:46] Teravus Ousley: Is this: 'header' => "Content-Type: text/xml\nConnection: close", correct? [11:46] Teravus Ousley: isn't it \r\n? [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: It should be that [11:47] Teravus Ousley: That might be what's breaking the override [11:47] Teravus Ousley: .. not that it matters specifically [11:47] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: "Connection: Close\r\n\r\n" [11:47] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I have that in some php code [11:47] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: good point, I had actually fixed that in my own code [11:48] Justin Clark-Casey: going to change the example. but fixing it doens't make a difference [11:50] Justin Clark-Casey: ok, anybody have any other opensim topics today? [11:50] Tiffany Magic: Justin: Has anyone looked at mantis 6421? The one dealing with moving a seated avatar? [11:51] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I look at it for a short time last week [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, I can talk with you about the search/profile stuff later if you like. [11:51] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I also considered it quickly when I fixed some of the get*Params funtions for getting info from seated avatars [11:51] Richardus Raymaker: Ok. soemthing still dotn work with classified. bt i need to look closer if i not made a setup error now with the change.. i dig into that. i know profile need to be in search, does search need to be in the opensim db ?\ [11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: It's doable, it just require ssomebody to do it :) [11:52] Tiffany Magic: Justin and Bluewall: Any chance of a fix soon? [11:52] Richardus Raymaker: ok andrew. if your still here after the meeting ? [11:52] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: If I can get some time this week, I'll take a stab at it [11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: tiffany: Unfortunately I personally am having to deal with multi-attachment, teleport, unremoveable avatare, etc. issues right now [11:52] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: it shouldn't be too much since all the lower elements are done. [11:52] Justin Clark-Casey: in the free time I have [11:53] Tiffany Magic: That would be GREATLY appreciated, BlueWall. *smile* [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, sure (if my net connection doesn't keep dropping) [11:53] Justin Clark-Casey: heh, turn on the charm, tiff :) [11:53] Kayaker Magic: Free time... I think I have some scheduled for 2015. [11:53] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: lol [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Richardus, search and profile should be in same database but do not need to be in same database as other OS tables. [11:54] Tiffany Magic: It helps if you cancel you RL account, Kayaker. [11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you and me both [11:54] Teravus Ousley: I just tested on plaza8, the standard 404 and it closed. [11:54] Kayaker Magic: LOL [11:54] Teravus Ousley: plaza8 is linux mono [11:54] Kayaker Magic: I've been planning on retiring to SL, or OSgrid or some such place [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: we are running mono 3.0.7 here [11:54] Richardus Raymaker: tiffany, i hear some tried but it dont want to close. [11:55] Justin Clark-Casey: teravus: yes, I haven't looked at this in any context other than those xmlrpc admin calls [11:55] Justin Clark-Casey: just havne't had the time to look further yet [11:55] Teravus Ousley looks for a CAP to call that's not a 404 result... [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: of course, it could be completely unconnected with any recent c# changes [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: I actually think it's been around for at least a couple of months [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: if not earlier - I really need to go back to old opensims and see what hapepns there [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: as usual, another task trumped that :) [11:56] Dahlia Trimble: how old? [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: how about 0.6.9? ;-) [11:56] Justin Clark-Casey: 0.7.5 and 0.7.4 [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: just to get an idea of whether this has actually always been the case or not [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: and that we're only seeing it due to new php commands that do not close the connection their side [11:57] Dahlia Trimble: I have some 0.7.2 regions running on osgrid [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: I believe curl behaves differently, though I haven't tested yuet [11:57] Justin Clark-Casey: well, I have directories full iof old region code too :) [11:58] Teravus Ousley is looking for a URL to call that won't return a 404 :) [11:58] Justin Clark-Casey: status? [11:58] Teravus Ousley: where? [11:58] Teravus Ousley: http://plaza08.osgrid.org:9000/status [11:58] Teravus Ousley: (404) [11:58] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: how about status/ ? [11:59] Justin Clark-Casey: hmm, doesn't show up in http-handlers [11:59] Teravus Ousley: 404 [11:59] Justin Clark-Casey: /CAPS/5b754124-936f-44a5-8849-c17d77269eb7 [11:59] Justin Clark-Casey: /throws out some poor persons random cap [12:00] Teravus Ousley: yeah.. Lets see if I can copy and paste properly in telnet here [12:00] UUID Speaker: Neovo Geesink: 9c054ea0-b3cd-9ff2-e6a5-863e3d29707f [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: bbiab [12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I can access that cap directly, though if you're doing it in a browser I think it will close the connection? [12:01] Justin Clark-Casey: mmm, I'm really not sure [12:01] Teravus Ousley: I got a 404 in telnet... [12:02] Justin Clark-Casey: manually issuing an HTTP get? [12:02] Teravus Ousley: yes [12:02] Justin Clark-Casey tries to remember how to do that [12:02] Justin Clark-Casey knows its simple [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm back [12:02] Dahlia Trimble: http://dahliaisland.wwweb3d.net:9167/status/ is 0.7.2 and it does 404 also [12:02] Neovo Geesink: WB Andrew. [12:02] Teravus Ousley: GET / HTTP/1.1 [12:02] Teravus Ousley: return return [12:02] Richardus Raymaker: andrew, just replaced my modified profile.php for the svn one. now the last error when you close profile window is gone and it works now. so i have at least a reference now to find the bug in the changed scipt. thanks [12:03] Teravus Ousley: most will want the host header provided.. but Httpserver is based on 1.0 code that doesn't care [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: Ricardus, yw [12:03] Richardus Raymaker: i missed the digging in code for a long time. but soemtime syou get stuck [12:04] Teravus Ousley: It is keeping it open now though when I'm not requesting a generic 404 [12:05] Teravus Ousley: I did /caps/34j4j [12:05] Teravus Ousley: Then it let me type another request like a keepalive [12:05] Andrew Hellershanks: Do you have to enable the status feature via a .ini file setting? [12:06] Teravus Ousley: yes [12:08] Teravus Ousley: and my local build is broken as a result of something weird.. with the avatar appearance module... [12:09] Justin Clark-Casey: ok, I'm not sure why I can't get telnet to work for me, maybe there's a header it really wants [12:10] Justin Clark-Casey: really going to have shut this world map logging up sometime as well :) [12:10] Dahlia Trimble: bye all :) [12:10] Justin Clark-Casey: bye dahlia [12:10] Richardus Raymaker: bye dahlia [12:10] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: bye Dahlia [12:11] Kayaker Magic: I'm going to run also, big thanks to all the developers for the support! [12:11] Justin Clark-Casey: thanks kayaker [12:11] Justin Clark-Casey: ok, I need to go as well. [12:11] Justin Clark-Casey: see you folks later [12:11] Richardus Raymaker: bye justin. [12:11] Dahlia Trimble is offline. [12:11] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: bye Justin [12:11] Tiffany Magic: Yes.... thank you all for your hard work! [12:11] Justin Clark-Casey waves [12:11] Teravus Ousley: map image worked.. closed connection [12:12] Tiffany Magic: Bye for now. [12:12] Teravus Ousley: So something weird there. [12:12] Justin Clark-Casey: maybe something is odd in the xmlrpc code line [12:12] Justin Clark-Casey: ok, thanks teravus [12:12] Richardus Raymaker: thanks all for help [12:12] BlueWall.Slade @gateway.bluewallvirtual.net:8002: I have to fly too - thanks & see you all next week [12:12] Teravus Ousley: .. yeah.. It could be something getting lost and compounding into a bigger problem.