Chat log from the meeting on 2021-03-23

 [11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone. [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi all [11:02] Ubit Umarov: just did relog here with clean cache and did got all Gavin.Hird [11:02] Ubit Umarov: well some still in transit :) [11:02] Ubit Umarov: hi all [11:02] Kayaker Magic: Hello, I need to step out a minute [11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, hb [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I went via LBSA and everything there loaded ok, and it seems OK here too [11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so probalby just some fluke [11:03] Ubit Umarov: yeah or voddoo [11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [11:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: probably a might do loop in the mesh loader [11:04] Ubit Umarov: new cache code? [11:04] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no [11:04] Ubit Umarov: ok [11:04] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Sorry to be late, gang. [11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: LL will have top flesh out all the bugs before I touch that code :-)) [11:04] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:05] Ubit Umarov: well and the issue of those assets [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: at leas to the stage they don't have to do another rollback [11:05] Ubit Umarov: that they will not ship with viewers anymore and are needed for opensim [11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Wes. I usually give people a few minutes to show up before we get started. [11:05] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Thanks. I try not to be late anyhow. [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that's that [11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but I don't particularly have that issue [11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: unless you plan on removing them from opensim too [11:06] Ubit Umarov: fear some are not present on opensim [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Jamie [11:06] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: hey everybody [11:07] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Hey Jamie. [11:07] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: how's it going [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: time will shoiw [11:07] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: ? [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: show* [11:07] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Going great, thanks. [11:07] Ubit Umarov: hi [11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I just saw a tweet where the authors handle was Ishallreturn [11:09] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Ah. Finally can see everyone's names. [11:09] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Lol, Gavin. [11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the problem with my Norwegian eyes is that Ishall means indoors skating rink [11:09] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Nice. lol [11:09] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so that is not a handle I would have chosen :-) [11:10] Ubit Umarov: luck.. could be a much worse thing :p [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Its a MacArthur quote. [11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: IIRC [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: There has been some cars that had to be withdrawn from the Scandinavian market as the names were some very rude words in the local language [11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: anyway [11:11] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:11] Ubit Umarov: yeah things like that do happen [11:12] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi everyone, sorry I'm late [11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: np, Ada. Welcome. [11:12] Ubit Umarov: commodore amiga could get kifs in trouble [11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Ada, and hi again to all [11:12] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Hey Ada. [11:12] Ubit Umarov: like telling gf Ok ill go play with my amiga now [11:12] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Lol [11:12] Ubit Umarov: amiga? WHO IS SHE ?? [11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: well, there you have it [11:13] Ubit Umarov: boing.. [11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe [11:13] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: That's like the hermano episode of Arrested Development. [11:13] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: but I digress. [11:14] Andrew Hellershanks: In the way of OpenSim news this past week it was an interesting one. There were quite a few changes that were pushed the main repo. The main surprise is that none of them were done by Ubit. [11:14] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:14] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: :D [11:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how will this year end?? [11:15] Andrew Hellershanks: The past week contains changes from Oren who is a contributor that hasn't pushed code in a while. [11:15] Ubit Umarov: yeah kitely decided to move to partial 0.9.2 code [11:15] Ubit Umarov: to have EEP there [11:15] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Nice. [11:15] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: much encouraged by the Kitely Community [11:15] Jagga Meredith: have they decided to share? [11:15] Ubit Umarov: and did contribe some cleanup [11:16] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: (badgered actually) [11:16] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: XD [11:16] Ubit Umarov: change a a bit how things show up on opensim library.. [11:17] Ubit Umarov: renamed the default 3/1 daycycle to other name [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Oren pushed changes for some new os functions, some changes to a day/night cycle,  and added some assets to the Library. [11:17] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Nice. [11:17] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: What functions? [11:17] Ubit Umarov: changes on os functions? [11:17] Kayaker Magic: Not changes, just added some to the XML file that weren't there yet. [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: osNpcLookAt is now for NPCs only and won't affect regular users. [11:18] Ubit Umarov: yeah added that missing check [11:18] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: :) [11:19] Ubit Umarov: the xml is strange.. [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: osNpcLookAt and osReplaceRegionEnvironment were added to the Syntax file so they should be highlighted properly when using the built-in script editor of a viewer. [11:19] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: I'm shocked [11:19] Ubit Umarov: i do generated it automaticly, no idea why those 2 funstions where missing [11:19] Ubit Umarov: need check [11:20] Jagga Meredith: that's good [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: A couple of estate settings were missing from OAR files but will now be included. [11:20] Ubit Umarov: * Renamed "Default Daycycle(3/1)" to "Default Daycycle (More Daylight)" [11:20] Ubit Umarov: not sure this new name is less confusing :) [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: I was thinking the same. [11:21] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Hey Selby. [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Is that the OS equivalent of DST? ;) [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby. [11:21] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi everyone [11:21] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: Hi Selby [11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Selby [11:21] Ubit Umarov: no :) [11:21] Ubit Umarov: its a confusing windlight mess [11:21] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Wendie. I didn't see when you entered as you are behind my chat window. [11:22] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, no big deal. What's one more area of code that needs cleanup. :) [11:22] Ubit Umarov: well no much cleanup on that [11:23] Ubit Umarov: thing is that on windllight sun time is not linear [11:23] Ubit Umarov: and on eep it is linear [11:23] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: I don't know what that means [11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: It wasn't linear? [11:23] Ubit Umarov: sun time on old windlight [11:24] Ubit Umarov: tuime flows faster during night [11:24] Wendie.Blackthorn @kinkyhaven.com:8002: Hello Andrew, it is nice to be noticed but I think it's best if I stay hidden [11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, Interesting. I didn't know that (or don't remember hearing about that). [11:24] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: ah I remember that. OK [11:25] Ubit Umarov: so even with hours set for equator latitude, night duration was 1/3 od day [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Seems an odd thing to have done while keeping the sun on a four hour cycle. [11:25] Ubit Umarov: no longer on eep regions [11:26] Ubit Umarov: on eep viewers sun time is linear. in fact it is UTC [11:26] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: I doubt if anyone will miss it [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, You could set sun for different latitudes? Interesting idea. [11:26] Ubit Umarov: NO [11:26] Jagga Meredith: but gorgeous sunsets will be gone!! [11:26] Ubit Umarov: well well on eep regions i pre disturce the sun time sent to viewers [11:27] Ubit Umarov: so they will play it linear also, and +- closer to the time eep viewers show [11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you cannot set sun for different latitudes, but there are upcoming viewer changed that will let you do that [11:28] Ubit Umarov: that means that the default daytime cylcle just translated to eep, has night duration == day ( equator ) [11:28] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it could be in the next Love Me Render version [11:28] Jagga Meredith: kewl. I'm doing a Norway thing so I can have Midnight sun [11:28] Ubit Umarov: so i added one with fixed hours to its 3 to 1 [11:28] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, Someone is an Elvis fan. :) [11:28] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or Svalbard winter sun [11:28] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: where it is gone for 4 months [11:28] Ubit Umarov: that was named 3/1, and oren decided to rename [11:29] Ubit Umarov: fear more confusing.. [11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: here, where I am at about 58 deg North, the sun is up only 6 hours mid winter, so it might be a bit boring having the regions bathed in darkness most of the day [11:30] Ubit Umarov whispers: :) [11:30] Ubit Umarov: :) [11:30] Kayaker Magic: I'm going to squeeze in a setup question: I still have a problem with a grid that is not sending the messages: " is online" when my friends log on. What module sends that message? What can I have done wrong in the INI files to prevent these messages from being sent? [11:30] Ubit Umarov: those things need to be set on a specific daycycle [11:31] Ubit Umarov: ie add several skies with the needed sun and moon positions at the wanted time, etc [11:32] Ubit Umarov: old winlight was confusing on that, bc as i said, the hours had diferent duration [11:32] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we expect nothing but realtime moon position/phase [11:32] Ubit Umarov: (windlight viewers on windlight regions ) [11:33] Andrew Hellershanks: When you have a question you can let me know. [11:33] Ubit Umarov: well moon was alwasys 180º from sun [11:33] Jagga Meredith: are the stars in realistic positions eg constillations? [11:33] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was [11:33] Ubit Umarov: now it can be anywhere on sku [11:33] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: or is [11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: depending on [11:34] Ubit Umarov: just damm ll totally broken its light [11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and always way too bright [11:34] Ubit Umarov: so moon now near horizon is black [11:34] Andrew Hellershanks: bbiab. I need to help put something in the garage [11:34] Ubit Umarov: so so stupid [11:34] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: K Andrew. [11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think they are fixing that too in the LMR5 release [11:34] Ubit Umarov: on eep moon was made a more generic thing, even a second sun [11:35] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: So it is only one grid, Kayaker? You receive notifications from other grids? [11:35] Ubit Umarov: but the new guys, answring to silly jira issues, made it a broken moon again [11:36] Ubit Umarov: well can't help on such generic issues [11:36] Kayaker Magic: I do get the notification on other grids, including my regions on OSGrid, but the grid I'm not getting friend logon/off notifications is one where I set up Robust, so I assume I messed something up. I don't know where to look for the problem. [11:36] Ubit Umarov: can't remember all configs and issues on friends :) [11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm back. [11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I see the same Kayaker [11:37] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Ah, so you're running the grid that isn't sending notifications. [11:37] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, nobody to blame but myself. [11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but mostly for Ubit, so I figured he just wanted to ignore me from time to time :-p [11:38] Ubit Umarov: we can always blame microsoft.. [11:38] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Maybe a port issue, Kayaker? I accidentally set some of my groups and messaging settings to Private Port at first. [11:38] Ubit Umarov: hmm? [11:38] Ubit Umarov: i do get yr online msgs gavin.Hird [11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: yours are on and off [11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: not sure why [11:39] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I can compare an OpenSim.ini and a StandaloneCommon.ini with you offline. [11:39] Ubit Umarov: well at least i do get some.. can't tell if all :) [11:39] Andrew Hellershanks: I have only been using the XMLRPC based group system. I haven't tested the core version. [11:39] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: there you have it, hehe [11:39] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I'm on Core. It seems to work okay. [11:39] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: There are some interesting behaviors. [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, your other group related issues got fixed? IIRC, you had some other issues with groups. [11:40] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Hey Neovo. [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Neovo. [11:40] Neovo Geesink: Hello Everyone [11:40] Ubit Umarov: well and friends is not same as groups :p [11:40] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi [11:40] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I think it may have been me with the groups issues. [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: True. [11:40] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, I got groups V2 working as far as I can tell. [11:40] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: And they're not totally fixed, but I don't know if it's just the way it functions. [11:41] Kayaker Magic: Is there a relationship between groups and the friend logon/off notifications? [11:41] Ubit Umarov: not that i see [11:41] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Isn't that the messaging module? [11:41] Ubit Umarov: friends and groups are diferent things [11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, to clarify your issue is it that you don't get *any* friend online notifications or is it an issue of HG vs. non-HG friends (if the code handles them differently)? [11:42] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Though there are some messaging module settings under the groups section I believe. [11:42] Ubit Umarov: and messaging still another thing :) [11:42] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Oh really? Hmm. [11:42] Ubit Umarov: and on messaging groups do add own parts [11:42] Kayaker Magic: I don't get any notifications from my local friends logging on and off. Nobody on the grid is getting them. [11:43] Ubit Umarov: ie for groups chat [11:43] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Right. [11:43] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: That's what i was thinking of, Ubit. [11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, have you checked the Friends related settings in the ini files under config-include? [11:43] Ubit Umarov: well here at osg i kinda see them working [11:44] Ubit Umarov: ofc can only tell i do see on/off notifications, not that i see all :) [11:44] Kayaker Magic: What are the "friends related settings"? If I knew which sections to check that would narrow it down. [11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been seeing is (on/off)line messages for a long time. [11:44] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: In StandaloneCommon.ini, right? [11:45] Ubit Umarov: don't remember :( [11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: There is [Friends] in Grid.ini [11:45] Kayaker Magic: Grid.ini is standalone [11:45] Ubit Umarov: duhhh ?? [11:45] Ubit Umarov: standalone is.. standalone [11:45] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Oh, the file that says please don't change this file? XD [11:46] Ubit Umarov: grid is .. grid.. [11:46] Ubit Umarov: right ? [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm just going down the list of files that have settings related to Friends. [11:46] Andrew Hellershanks: StandaloneCommon.ini has a URI reference in the [LoginService] section, [11:47] Kayaker Magic: The only thing in a file I'm supposed to change is a one line [FriendsService] section, looks like this: [11:47] Kayaker Magic: [FriendsService]        FriendsServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}" [11:47] Andrew Hellershanks: There is a separate section for HG friends. [11:47] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Kayaker, there is a module: FriendsServiceConnector that needs to be configured in your HG Robust [11:47] Ubit Umarov: remember that standalones include settings that on grids you find on robust.ini [11:47] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and HGFriendsServerConnector too [11:47] Kayaker Magic: I DON"T CARE ABOUT HG YET! I first need it to work on the grid. [11:47] Kayaker Magic: Then see if it works on HG latger. [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I am pretty sure FriendsServiceConnector needs to be anbled for local grid too [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: in Robust [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and a line that should be [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: [FriendsService]   ; for the server connector    LocalServiceModule = "OpenSim.Services.FriendsService.dll:FriendsService" [11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: There is the FriendsServiceURI in [FriendsService] in GridCommon.ini which should also be picking up the port settings from the [Const] section [11:49] Ubit Umarov: well first .. is the region a standalone or part of a grid ?? [11:49] Kayaker Magic: Grid, HG. [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Under [LoginService] you also need FriendsService = "OpenSim.Services.FriendsService.dll:FriendsService" [11:49] Ubit Umarov: then *standalone*,ini have no relevance [11:49] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I was just looking at that section. [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: The FriendsServiceURI is also in GridCommon.ini [11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and a record like SRV_FriendsServerURI = "http://grid.xmir.org:8002" [11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker did previously mention it was in a grid which is why I was looking at mostly the grid files. [11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so check your Robust config [11:51] Kayaker Magic: my robust ini has that same [FriendsService] section, also those boilerplate lines in [loginService] and [UserAgentService] [11:51] Ubit Umarov: if you did a mess... revert relevant sections to the ones we did provide :p [11:51] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: does it have this set SRV_FriendsServerURI? [11:51] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, are users able to get other messages/notifications from the system? [11:52] Kayaker Magic: Yeah, we can IM each other just fine. [11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: IM's? Group notices? Just want to eliminate an issue with the messaging configuration. [11:52] Ubit Umarov: SRV_FriendsServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}" [11:52] Kayaker Magic: I see my friends in the contact list in local chat. [11:53] Ubit Umarov: oops that is on standalone :p [11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you can tell who is online and who isn't in the contact list? [11:54] Ubit Umarov: FriendsService] ;   ; Change this to your grid-wide friends server ;   FriendsServerURI = "${Const|PrivURL}:${Const|PrivatePort}" [11:54] Ubit Umarov: on grid [11:54] Kayaker Magic: Yes, in [LoginServicce] I see SRV_FriendsServerURI = "${Const|BaseURL}:${Const|PublicPort}" [11:55] Ubit Umarov: that is on robust [11:55] Ubit Umarov: or on standalones [11:55] Kayaker Magic: Andrew had me pawing through Robust ini [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: PrivURL? Hmm... I wonder when it changed from BaseURL. [11:56] Ubit Umarov: THAT is not relevant on kayaker regions [11:56] Ubit Umarov: if on grid, that is on robust part [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: No, just something I noticed. I use BaseURL and WebURL in [Const]. [11:58] Kayaker Magic: I've got BaseURL and PrivURL set to the same thing. [11:58] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I would check that users can get other notices (such as Group Notice messages) to determine if the issue is Friends specicif or a more general message notification issues. [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: We are just at the top of the hour. If someone needs to be leaving soon that has a question to be asked let me know. [11:59] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I think I'm good. Just looking along with you all in the config files. [12:00] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I think I'd like to do a deep dive at one point. [12:00] Ada.Radius @grid.kitely.com:8002: got to go back to RL. cya next week stay safe :) [12:00] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Later Ada. [12:00] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: You too. [12:01] Kayaker Magic: Well, I'm pretty sure we are getting group notices, but I'l test. And the only suggestion I've heard is to make sure I'm using the PublicPort in all the right places. [12:01] Ubit Umarov: some ppl wanted also a diferent hostaname for the "private" services [12:01] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Right, like a private IP address or local hostname. [12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't see any other settings re: messaging outside of [Messaging] that might cause an issue with friends notifications. [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Ada. [12:02] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Has anyone heard of problems using LSL volume detect in OpenSim? [12:03] Ubit Umarov: don't remember anything on mantis [12:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: ty [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: I don't recalling hearing of any problems. [12:03] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: ty [12:04] Ubit Umarov: now both at sl and opensim that can be tricky.. and may not be exactly the same.. [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I could look over you ini files for you if you like. Just hide your passwords. [12:05] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Just wanted to check before suggesting use. [12:05] Ubit Umarov: ok [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, It could also be interesting to check whether it makes a difference in using V1 vs V2 messaging [12:06] Kayaker Magic: V1 requires a PHP helper script, does it not? [12:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you see no signs of red text in the console when starting either Robust or the region instances? [12:07] Kayaker Magic: No red text, and I even got rid of most of the yellow. [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, it requires a URL or two. It doesn't always use them. [12:07] Ubit Umarov: ( a confusing part of volumedetectors is that on most prims they are surface collision detectors, not volume ) [12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, ok good. Always want to look for red text when having any issue. [12:08] Kayaker Magic: There is always yellow warning text about missing assets, short jpeg files, etc. while loading assets and running scripts. [12:08] Ubit Umarov: ( that are only volume on pure spheres and boxes ) [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, yes. Can never seem to run a grid without some yellow text. [12:09] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: Yes, thanks Ubit [12:09] Ubit Umarov: :) [12:09] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, If you want to try v1 messaging I can send you the offline.php file. I don't think that is really necessary though for friends notifications. [12:10] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: I'm gonna bounce too. Good luck, Kayaker. [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, does V2 messaging ignore the MuteListURL setting or does it need that set? [12:10] Wes.World @theshire.techzendo.net:59000: Bye everyone. [12:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Bye Wes [12:10] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: bye all [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, bye Wes. [12:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Selby, Ada [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Bye, Selby. [12:11] Ubit Umarov: mute list should have no relation with anything now [12:11] Ubit Umarov: that was a odd mess on older versions [12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. The comment ini the ini does say it is only for offline messaging so it is unlikely to be related to Kayakers issue. Just wanted to check. [12:12] Ubit Umarov: and mutes are viewer side only [12:12] Ubit Umarov: regions only store the list [12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: My mutelist module stores mute requests in a database table. [12:13] Ubit Umarov: yeha thats all they do [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: :) [12:13] Ubit Umarov: they don't check anything.. [12:13] Ubit Umarov: viewers do [12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. [12:13] Ubit Umarov: in a more correct from regions should check them [12:13] Ubit Umarov: form... [12:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: checked for correctness before stored [12:14] Ubit Umarov: but they inc other things like sounds.. particles (?) etc [12:14] Ubit Umarov: no.. should enforce [12:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no point in enforcing a corrupt mute record [12:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but yeah [12:15] Ubit Umarov: corrupt?? [12:15] Ubit Umarov: ofc i said enforce the correct ones :p [12:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: db records sometimes get corrupt for all kinds of reasons [12:16] Ubit Umarov: thats other movie [12:16] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, you know how to reach me on Skype so drop me the files when you can and I'll have a look at them when I have some time. [12:16] Ubit Umarov: we assume all db records are good.. [12:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hehe [12:16] Kayaker Magic: Thanks Andrew, I'll get organized a minute after this meeting is over. [12:16] Ubit Umarov: or assets would be fun :) [12:16] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, :) [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, np. I have some other things I need to do after this meeting so I'll get to it as soon as I can. [12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, anything else from you for today? [12:17] Ubit Umarov: but wall that about mutes enforce region side is a coerence thing.. guess sl does not either ??? [12:17] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: reminds me of the Southpark - and it is gone clip [12:18] Ubit Umarov: mutes where added as a viewer only thing [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll take that as a no from Kayaker as Id on't see him typing anything. [12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: We are at almost 20 past. Any other final questions/comments for today from anyone? [12:18] Jagga Meredith: I'm good to go [12:19] Kayaker Magic: Nothing more today. [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, ty Kayaker. [12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: Not seeing any one else typing it is time to wrap up todays meeting. [12:20] Ubit Umarov: :) [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Thank you all for coming. See you again next week. [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Wes left before I got a chance to ask him about his group related issue(s). [12:20] Kayaker Magic: Bye all! Thanks for the suggestions! [12:20] Jamie.Jordan @grid.kitely.com:8002: thanks everybody [12:20] Ubit Umarov: guess next one EU will be on summer time also [12:20] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: that will be fantastic [12:20] Andrew Hellershanks: Ah, yes. Keep in mind that EU has a clock change coming up soon. [12:21] Ubit Umarov: we will change next weekend [12:21] Kayaker Magic: I noticed some changes in the Wiki, I think Wes has been busy [12:21] Ubit Umarov: hmm see changes from other ppl [12:22] Kayaker Magic: GroupV2 is all new, I think that is Wes