Chat log from the meeting on 2020-08-18

[11:01] Leighton.Marjoram @britgrid.com:8002: Hi Andrew

[11:01] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, everyone.

[11:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Hey, Leighton. LTNS

[11:02] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Andrew

[11:02] Ada Radius: Hi Andrew

[11:02] Bill Blight: Howdy Andrew

[11:02] Leighton.Marjoram @britgrid.com:8002: It has seemed like a long while Andrew

[11:02] Leighton.Marjoram @britgrid.com:8002: But good to be back

[11:03] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll wait a few more minutes to see who else shows up before we start.

[11:04] Ada Radius: Hey Kayaker

[11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Kayaker.

[11:04] Leighton.Marjoram @britgrid.com:8002: Hello Kayaker

[11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Kayaker

[11:04] Kayaker Magic: Hello Ada, Andrew, Leighton, et all

[11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: build

[11:05] Bill Blight: Howdy Kay

[11:05] Kayaker Magic: Don't stop talking on my account....

[11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, We were waiting for you to start us off. ;)

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: ok, so what is now on opensim?

[11:07] Andrew Hellershanks: I may be typing under some difficulty today. My cat is on my lap and getting in the way of my being able to type every so often.

[11:07] Ubit Umarov: and what is new on opensim ?

[11:07] Kayaker Magic: Do the Firestorm viewer devs have an open house meeting like this?

[11:08] Bill Blight: only in SL

[11:08] Ubit Umarov: not usre if meetings like this

[11:08] Kayaker Magic: Well, I could go there I suppose...

[11:08] Bill Blight: May not want to talk about OS in SL

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: think they have no public meetings with devs

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: all i channeled by the helpers or how they call them

[11:09] Kayaker Magic: But to hear about FS issues, I think I want to go.

[11:09] Ada Radius: I just logged into SL for the first time in years, if the meetings are in the morning or early afternoon I could probably get there

[11:09] Bill Blight: They used to have a regular one in SL, but SL is completely off my radar these days

[11:09] Ubit Umarov: well never seen one

[11:09] Ada Radius: ya, it creeps me out, kind of. But it's there and people are using it

[11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: how does it creep you out?

[11:10] Bill Blight: Anybody that thinks OS people are creepy need to go spend a few hours in SL

[11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: hehe

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: ok, so what is new on opensim?

[11:11] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: you tell us :-)

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: glad you ask

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: lol

[11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Lots of changes again this past week.

[11:11] Ubit Umarov: hmm i don't remember

[11:12] Ada Radius: Creeps me out - trolling at some of the clubs I used to like. Empty sims everywhere I used to go

[11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: A couple of notecard related items.

[11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: understand

[11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Some more cache(?) expiry changes.

[11:12] Ada Radius: OS peeps are fine, almost always.

[11:12] Ubit Umarov: ok


 * change llName2Key and add llRequestUserKey (not the patch on mantis 8369, now utdated). some testing needed..

[11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what creeps me out the most is they seem to have converted SL to a shopping hell

[11:13] Ubit Umarov: llname2key was looking to objects, if i remember..

[11:13] Ubit Umarov: thats not spec

[11:13] Ubit Umarov: llRequestUserKey was long waiting on mantis.. now added

[11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: secondly their commit messages get more and more cryptic - sortof like Ubit's :-))

[11:14] Ubit Umarov: disabled llRayCast3

[11:14] Ubit Umarov: lets see how it works with current physics engines...

[11:15] Kayaker Magic: I found out Kitely is running ~0.9.1 with ubODE and V3 llCastRay

[11:15] Ubit Umarov: made profiles be done on a LIFO; not a FIFO

[11:16] Ubit Umarov: that means the last you ask will get priority. will be done after the current in exec

[11:17] Ubit Umarov: that should reduce the impact of the massing flood fs and other viewers may do when you open all friends list

[11:18] Ubit Umarov: well the flood is there.. but we should only wait for the one currently been done ( guess can be near 1minute in worse case )

[11:18] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: SL issued a crash fix for the viewer as it crashed if someone had more than 4k LMs in their inventory

[11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: If several people make a request at the same time it seems like it could me the first person making a request have to wait for everyone elses requests to complete first.

[11:19] Ubit Umarov: on LSL.api made all those dataserver things actually async. ie they are done by other set of threads, not the engine exec ones

[11:20] Ubit Umarov: that is all the purpose of those dataserver things, and we never had it

[11:20] Ubit Umarov: this is more relevant to Yengine...

[11:20] Ubit Umarov: but X also uses it

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: ossl is filled with wrong functions

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: that should have async processing..

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: like that silly osnotecard

[11:21] Ubit Umarov: but tons..

[11:22] Ubit Umarov: ossl just assumed all should be done by the script engine exec threads

[11:22] Ubit Umarov: well bad idead

[11:22] Ubit Umarov: i possible shoud tag all ossl obsulete and make a replacement :P

[11:22] Ubit Umarov: and obsolete

[11:23] Kayaker Magic: Can you mane them async without changing the API?

[11:23] Ubit Umarov: very hard

[11:23] Kayaker Magic: WM Ada

[11:23] Kayaker Magic: *WB

[11:23] Andrew Hellershanks: wb, Ada

[11:24] Ubit Umarov: even with Yengine

[11:24] Kayaker Magic: If you make them async by requiring they wait for data_server, it will break some scripts.

[11:24] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, What would you think would be a possible replacement for OSSL?

[11:24] Ubit Umarov: all things that need to fetch things from web should be async

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: that is wht ll introduced that dataserver thing etc

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: well dunno.. just i see tons of things violation that

[11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, steevithak

[11:25] Ada Radius: ty! I forgot I was installing graphics card driver updates

[11:25] Ubit Umarov: and potencially causing stalls on the script engine

[11:26] steevithak x: hi

[11:26] Ada Radius: Hi steevithak

[11:26] Ubit Umarov: that notecard is just a easy and very silly example

[11:26] Andrew Hellershanks: Hello, Selby.

[11:26] Selby.Evans @grid.kitely.com:8002: hi ereryone

[11:26] Ubit Umarov: getting a asset here at osgrid can take time

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: same on any grid

[11:27] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Hi Selby and steevithak

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: even reading from disk

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: ( even ssd)

[11:27] Ada Radius: Hi Selby

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: thats several ms

[11:27] Leighton.Marjoram @britgrid.com:8002: Hi Selby and Steevithak

[11:27] Ubit Umarov: see?

[11:28] Ubit Umarov: well those where most the last week changes

[11:29] Ubit Umarov: ( as i said some of those name to key where working on object also.. not anymore ..

[11:29] Ubit Umarov: ( since not the spec )

[11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Ubit, does the LIFO change for profiles affect only the core profile module or does it also impact the add-on profile module?

[11:29] Ubit Umarov: objects should have own api

[11:30] Ubit Umarov: it is a change on core profile module

[11:30] Andrew Hellershanks: ok.

[11:30] Ubit Umarov: ( that can read one or 2 grid side formats, like yours )

[11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll have a look after the meeting to see if the change should be applied to the add on profile module.

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: think osgrid now uses core on regions, yours at grid

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: but not sure

[11:31] Ubit Umarov: guess any replacement of core is just bad

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: open all friends means on fs get 270 profiles for me

[11:32] Ubit Umarov: 263

[11:32] Andrew Hellershanks: Does it tell you when they were last online?

[11:33] Kayaker Magic: Aww it's so nice you have so many friends Ubit!

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: thats a expensive thing to get

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: and mostly wrong on all opensim

[11:33] Ubit Umarov: online is on another service

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: but it does tell.. something..

[11:34] Andrew Hellershanks nods

[11:34] Ubit Umarov: at least if target is on same region :p

[11:36] Ubit Umarov: ( and fs and other viewers, do that flood, just to show tiny icons.. )

[11:36] Andrew Hellershanks: Does anyone have an OS related question?

[11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm not seeing any one typing. This could wind up being a short meeting today.

[11:40] Bill Blight: Well Ubit did not break that much this week ..

[11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: Not that we have yet noticed. ;)

[11:41] Bill Blight: true enough

[11:41] Andrew Hellershanks: If no one else has anything more for today I will close the meeting early.

[11:41] Ubit Umarov: you just didn't test :p

[11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: I haven't had time to test. I've been finalizing some changes for a release of code for work and also deep in to some 68k assembly code.

[11:42] Bill Blight: my test grid stays current

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks nods to Bill

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: ok... Going...

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Going...

[11:43] Chat Logger: Meeting chat logging has been disabled.

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Last and final call...

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: :)

[11:43] Andrew Hellershanks: Gone.

[11:44] Ubit Umarov whispers: well made more changes but "useless changes"

[11:44] Chat Logger: Meeting chat logging has been enabled.

[11:44] Ubit Umarov: like replacing the ExpiringCache thing we used

[11:44] Andrew Hellershanks: ok. Momentary interruption from the front door bell.

[11:44] Ubit Umarov: but a bit ligher ( i hope) one

[11:45] Ubit Umarov: by a..

[11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: Thanks, Ubit.

[11:45] Andrew Hellershanks: That will do it for this week. We get to head out early today. Thank you all for coming. See you again next week.