Chat log from the meeting on 2016-04-26

[11:03] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: George I saw today a video from the osgrid beginning and guess what.. I recognized you because you wore the same hat [11:04] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: where did you see that video? [11:04] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: George always leaves his hat on haha [11:04] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: in Youtube [11:04] George Equus: Is my "Brand" lol [11:04] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: I watched another video and suddendly this one about the osgrid pop up [11:05] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: unable to fetch spam... [11:05] George Equus: A link by any chance? [11:05] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: let me see if I can find [11:05] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Is this your first account George or did you have an older one? [11:05] George Equus: I did have an older that I asked Dan to kill... [11:06] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: OK, when did you create it? [11:06] George Equus: was corrupted somehow, easiest was to remove every trace and start over with same credentials [11:06] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Tsjjee. osgrid really need to fix that profile stuff [11:06] George Equus: Ohh... don't remeber... think I had it for about a year? maybe [11:07] George Equus: same name same login, same everything as current [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: my OSGrid avatar is from december 2008 [11:07] George Equus: Suppose I am really about 5 y old really [11:07] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so one of the buildings I have on XMIR was transferred from SL a day or two later via SI [11:08] George Equus: lol really... really [11:08] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: no, I cant find. It was one of those videos youtube picks up randomly [11:08] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: SI ? thats till works in SL ? because i tried it 1 year ago i think and never could login [11:08] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the building was made in the Concinna sim in SL in 2008 [11:08] George Equus: Is OK. just bit curious [11:09] George Equus: Hat was one of the first things I made [11:09] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i have a big problem, i cannot build anymore for OS / SL now i know the new easy way :O [11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: hats are important [11:09] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: What new easy way, Richardus? Getting someone else to build what you want? :) [11:09] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but skin comes first, haha [11:10] Kayaker Magic: ++ [11:10] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: Awesome George - my first build was a 'witch's hat' - lol [11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No, building the high fidelity way. [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: what way is that? [11:10] Kayaker Magic: +hats that is [11:10] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I found "building" in high fidelity utterly frustrating [11:10] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Richardus, I'm not sure what that is. [11:11] George Equus: Skin is very important yes..  took a while to find one that was full mod for starters [11:11] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No UV map baking. not the materials limit. you can use smaller textures with gives still good quality. and not the inefficient uploader. also the camera and build scale is good there. [11:11] George Equus: still need to fix eyes... [11:12] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Gavin, your 5 mantis with patches to fix some PG related issues were commited and pushed this week. [11:12] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: The placement tool need some polishing. but people keep poking on that [11:12] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I noticed something had happened overnight :-) [11:12] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Also, framerate is better. i can use my xbox controller there. [11:13] George Equus: Know nothing about high fidelity [11:13] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Gavin, I had to amend three of the patches. One added trailing whitespace on some lines and two patches altered file perms. [11:13] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I didn't bother to renew my namespace there [11:14] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Mabye, i get still to the conclusion that i cannot do much with the old tech. [11:14] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: altered file perms? – was that a Windows thing? [11:14] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Gavin, possibly. [11:14] George Equus: I reverted my server to 0.8...  got rid of all tp problems instantly and also screen after screen of lines with "Timeout...." [11:14] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: The patches tried to add execute perms on several files. [11:15] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have found that 0.9 hums along reasonably well [11:15] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: I did shutdown my grid for now (empty) but sofar not seen problems except the know timestamp error [11:15] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: oh you were having tp problems? a week ago I started to get problems teleporting to the osgrid..... says viewer could not connect or so [11:15] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: George, which version were you using before reverting to 0.8? [11:15] George Equus: Could not stand all those tp problems any more. Could not move from region to region even [11:16] George Equus: LatestAndrew [11:16] George Equus: 0.8.3 [11:16] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: happens to me here in the osgrid even with the osgrid avatar, cant tp from the sandbox to Event Plaza [11:16] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: TP on 0.9 works fine, but they are a bit spring like at times [11:16] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Only my viewer just crashed when TP from 0.8.2 to osgrid [11:16] George Equus: kept in a safe place [11:17] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: George, were the TP issues when you were travelling between different grids? [11:17] George Equus: Now I can tp from anywhere again back home without issues [11:17] George Equus: HG or local [11:17] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: ok, I will take it you meant 0.9 as there is no 0.8.3 [11:18] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: diva made an update to 0.8.2 so kinda of 0.8.3 [11:18] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: hm... odd you would get a lot of issues in TPing locally. [11:18] George Equus: 0.8.3 was posted by Dan a while back when 0.9 was new [11:18] George Equus: dev version [11:19] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it was very shortlived [11:19] George Equus: local tp is horrible with 0.9 for me [11:19] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Isis, ok. I just think of 0.8.2 then 0.9 [11:19] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: I have the same problems, only with the osgrid, not with other grids [11:19] George Equus: can't walk, fly or from outside [11:19] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it works perfect. mabye buggy 0.9 version ? [11:19] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: or do you use linux ? [11:19] George Equus: same on all 0.9 versions [11:19] George Equus: Windows 7 [11:20] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm. if you run it from home the network / router or isp can be problem too [11:20] George Equus: plain vanilla server, no mods currently [11:20] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: why was not a problem when George ran 0.8.2 in the same machine Richardus [11:21] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: did you run with SQLite george? [11:21] George Equus: 0.9 problematic, 0.8  no problems [11:21] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: George, Try the master branch of code from the git repository and see if it still has the problems. [11:21] Kayaker Magic: I have a TP issue between vars run in different instances on the same physical server box (0.9.0.0) [11:21] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what physics engine on 0.9 ? [11:21] George Equus: no changes in router or otherwise [11:21] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Var gives me problem with FS 0.8.2 keeps getting red tiles [11:21] George Equus: default physics [11:21] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: on my own var [11:22] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Kayaker, there was an issue with TPing from a var to regular region. I thought it had been fixed ages ago. [11:22] George Equus: No mods to opensim,ini whatsoever [11:22] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: WHat is default for me ubode is default on 0.9. others use ode or bullet [11:22] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: I do not see TP problem between my var and normal [11:22] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ubode is set to default [11:23] Kayaker Magic: I can't even walk between 2 vars in this case [11:24] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i have with 0.8.2 2 vars next to each other without problem [11:24] George Equus: Is a mystery to me.. but as long as I can move around on my own regions freely and leave and come back without problems 0.8.3 stay for the time being [11:24] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: I think Gavin said with 0.9 [11:25] George Equus: rez is also faster [11:25] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: I have other problems with opensim. and secondlife. not see that fixt in years [11:25] George Equus: on arrival [11:26] George Equus: Dan has pointed to various mods but so far has had no positive effect [11:26] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: did your tried 0.9 with 2 empty sims ? not sure how many you run on one simulator [11:27] George Equus: tried running only a couple on one sim. no diff [11:28] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: And i may guess every region have it's own port ? [11:28] George Equus: will change to MySQL and re organice everything on new hardware so vill not spend any more time trying to solve these problems with 0.9 [11:29] George Equus: each region on its own port [11:29] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: Do you have port 9000 TCP open? [11:29] George Equus: sure [11:29] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: udp and tcp ? [11:30] George Equus: same currently [11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: We are finding there is a request to port 9000 TCP on every teleport that makes the viewer crash with the Linden coroutine code [11:30] George Equus: tcpFTP [11:30] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The request looks like this: http://sim1.xmir.org:9000/CAPS/EQG/c47ffb73-24f4-4584-a459-ade3ddf89401 [11:31] George Equus: disregard please... [11:31] George Equus: diff UDP then TCP port [11:31] Simulator Version v0.5 ruft: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev       ed9d4fe: 2016-04-05 22:53:27 +0100 (Unix/Mono) [11:32] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Gavin, bad link [11:32] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: oh. hehe. nm. [11:32] George Equus: some suggest problems also was introduced with latest FS version implementing LL latest code [11:32] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: The OpenSim code that generates this is /// /// Generate an Event Queue Get handler path for the given eqg uuid. /// ///  private string GenerateEqgCapPath(UUID eqgUuid) { return string.Format("/CAPS/EQG/{0}/", eqgUuid); } In EventQueGetModule.cs [11:33] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Have you seen what data is passed to the viewer as a result of that call? [11:34] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the viewer is sent this link http://sim1.xmir.org:9000/CAPS/EQG/c47ffb73-24f4-4584-a459-ade3ddf89401 [11:35] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: You should mantis that. I don't know if that is a viewer bug or an OpenSim bug. [11:35] Kayaker Magic: chat lag makes this meeting too painful for me today [11:35] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: if its crashing the viewer it could just be a viewer issue. [11:35] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if the CAPS in OpenSim,ini is set to serve mesh on "localhost" [11:36] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: well, FS crashed today for me to with HG to osgrid. not seen it before [11:36] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: I believe if a caps is set to localhost it is enabled [11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is clearly a viewer issue because the new Linden code has no idea how to handle it, but that is on our 4.0.3 build, but that lead me to believe port 9000 TCP needs to be opne [11:37] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: maybe UDP too [11:38] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: I think of port 9000 for a standalone. [11:38] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the response is the same regardless if the simulator runs on another http port as far as I can judge right now [11:41] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: I don't have port 9000 open on either tcp or udp, not seeing the issue when using firestorm. There is the problem when hgtp between two regions on the same coords [11:41] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: FS does not have the Linden coro routines unless you have a dev build. It was only that code that exposed it [11:42] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: ok,noted [11:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is very strange because the simulator that responed with port 9000 runs on http port 8300 [11:42] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: and the regions does not run on port 9000 [11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: robust runs on 8002 and 8003 respectively [11:43] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Sounds there's some config error then [11:43] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: no there isn't [11:44] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Maybe the viewer is requesting something that exposes a hardcoded value within Opensim [11:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I think that could be the cause [11:44] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: if you take that http address in a browser you get a response from the old http server [11:45] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: ok [11:45] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: what is in your grid list, is there some url with port 9000 ? [11:45] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: If you need to check comms between a standalone or grid and a viewer you can use WinGridProxy from libopenmetaverse [11:45] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: none [11:46] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: we need to do that for the coro code as server most likely will have to be updated unless [11:47] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Just done a search on OpenSim for '9000' and there are indeed a number of references. Requires further investigation [11:47] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Port 9000 is the default port for use in standalone mode. [11:48] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: the UUID in the url given does not exist as a record in any database table [11:48] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: True, could be a cannot find setting so use 'this' [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: so it might be a UUID for the UDP asset server running on that simulator [11:49] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: Gavin, The UUID doesn't match any known regions or parcels? [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nope [11:49] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: nothing [11:50] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have scanned every database table [11:54] Andrew.Hellershanks @hg.osgrid.org: The hour is almost up. Any other topics of discussion for today? [11:54] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I have a vague recollection that the first sim on a grid must run on port 9000, but that might be true only for standalone? [11:54] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: No gavin [11:55] posh.prim @hg.osgrid.org: whats up with the ubOde physics is there someone to dev on it? [11:55] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: really not needed port 9000 [11:55] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: I have standalones that don't use 9000 [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: 9000 is a default value but I don't think there is any requirement. You can use any number you want. [11:55] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i never use 9000 except for localhost quick tests [11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: posh, Ubit is the main person who has been working on the ubODE physics engine. [11:56] posh.prim @hg.osgrid.org: not saw him online last month [11:56] posh.prim @hg.osgrid.org: but ok thyy [11:56] Andrew Hellershanks: posh, Ubit isn't currently available in either IRC channel. I don't remember when I last saw them. [11:57] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Anything specific with ubODE, people have said here it runs well [11:57] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: SOmeone talks about strange high cpu usage [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I'm running it on my test regions and it does good [11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: posh, did you have a particular issue or question about it? [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it use the same cpu as bulletsim [11:57] posh.prim @hg.osgrid.org: i use it at my club and it was nice stable my sim holds up to 50 avas with ubode [11:57] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: but 0.9 use a lot more CPU in general [11:58] posh prim: also the ubmeshmerizer is very nice [11:58] posh prim: but i have no realtime test data [11:58] posh prim: all mesh objects and clothes will rezz fine at my sim [11:59] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, I haven't seen Robert lately so I haven't been able to ask about CPU usage in latest BulletSim. [11:59] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: does scripts that use collsion volumes have to be rewritten for ubode? [12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, that would be a question for Ubit. [12:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: on 0.8.2 cpu use for bullet was maybe 15% higher than with ODE [12:00] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: on 0.9 it is another 20% higher [12:01] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: I have a basic question for the group - any suggestions for an Android IRC app? [12:01] posh prim: my cpu use is like the same as as bullet physics may it is a little different [12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: ubode and bullet on 0.9 is the same for me [12:01] posh prim: ok [12:01] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: it is 0.9 in general that use more cpu (I think) [12:02] Andrew Hellershanks: Gavin, you could check that by running with physics disabled and compare cpu loads. [12:02] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: I have never used IRC so no idea James, sorry [12:03] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: ok, np Isis [12:03] posh prim: i do not have an andriod tablet or phone lol sorry [12:03] Gavin.Hird @grid.xmir.org:8002: I compared 0.8.2 with bullet to 0.9 with bullet on the same test grid and 0.9 is 20% higher [12:03] Andrew Hellershanks: James, My tablet is fully off right now so it would take a while before I could answer. I don't generally use IRC from the tablet. I mainly use ssh. [12:03] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: finaly a smart person ^ ok i have a windesk desktop tablet.. [12:03] posh prim: i heard about a dev of an android os for x86 pcs [12:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Seems possible or even likely. Android is built on Linux. [12:04] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: thanks all, what is 'ssh' to be instead of irc? [12:04] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Anyway, hopping home. jumping in blender for hifi work. sorry, i tried it it's not working good in OS. [12:04] George Equus: anyone present know anything about region CarlsTesting. Is huge. [12:05] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: happy blending Richardus [12:05] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: George. is the server at home ? in case it's loopback problem soemway [12:05] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Cool Richardos [12:05] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: lol [12:05] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Blender is indeed fun. if you not make it for SL/OS [12:06] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Gavin, mabye if it hit a rock wall ! [12:06] Billy.Bradshaw @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: George, what is CarisTesting? [12:06] George Equus: Richardus, is running on a laptop next to me :) [12:06] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hopefull wired [12:06] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: James I just made a search for IRC android app, there is AndroidIRC [12:06] George Equus: loopback issue...  would that be different on 0.9  and 0.8? [12:07] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: and Yaaic - IRC app [12:07] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: think not... [12:07] James.Atlloud @grid.kitely.com:8002: ty Isis - I'm trying AndroIRC but it drops connections a lot. [12:07] Isis.Ophelia @arcana.hopto.org:9021: kk [12:07] George Equus: CAT6 ro router on a 100/100 pure fiber [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: As the talk has moved on to some other topics I'll call this weeks meeting ended. See you next week. [12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll see what I can find out about CPU usage and some of the TP issues.