Chat log from the meeting on 2008-07-08

[7:41] Nebadon Izumi is Online

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Teleporter Online

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -12

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Blade

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Teleporter Online

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -15

[7:43] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor7

[7:47] Nebadon Izumi is Offline

[7:47] Nebadon Izumi is Online

[8:08] Chrome Carter is Online

[8:15] Chrome Carter is Offline

[8:27] paulie Flomar is Online

[8:30] paulie Flomar is Offline

[8:32] paulie Flomar is Online

[8:44] You: Hiya

[8:44] Aran Anderson_TEST: hi, how are you?

[8:44] You: pretty good and yourself?

[8:45] Aran Anderson_TEST: am just trying to figure out how to set my sim up onto the grid.. it seems to time out on registering

[8:45] You: sounds like networking trouble

[8:46] You: probably in the configuration

[8:46] You: what do you have for external_ip_address in your Regions xml file?

[8:47] paulie Flomar is Offline

[8:49] You: internal should be 0.0.0.0

[8:50] Aran Anderson_TEST: btw i see you are looking for builders, i am willing to help :) (i am James Benedek on the main grid, i helped build 5l5b)

[8:50] You: :)

[8:50] You: I'm Lazarus Longstaff on the Linden grid; I used to manage a set of 6 surf sims

[8:50] You: Heliopolis

[8:50] Aran Anderson_TEST: nice

[8:50] You: then I found OpenSim

[8:51] You: I rarely go to the Linden grid now

[8:51] Aran Anderson_TEST: more fun here eh?

[8:51] You: yes

[8:51] Aran Anderson_TEST: and free :p

[8:51] You: always better to own your own infrastructure

[8:51] You: for a suite of reasons

[8:51] Aran Anderson_TEST: is all of lsl functions working on this grid or?

[8:52] You: no

[8:52] You: only about 70%

[8:52] You: mostly vehicle physics is not finished

[8:52] You: we use ODE, they use havoc4

[8:52] You: well

[8:52] You: actually

[8:52] You: you can use any of several physics engines with opensim

[8:52] Aran Anderson_TEST: well havok 5 is released now.. why not try and code that in?

[8:52] You: but ode is most fully supported

[8:53] You: the code for opensim has a license that is not compatible

[8:53] You: it is bsd licensed

[8:53] Aran Anderson_TEST: btw nice build here

[8:54] You: Thanks :D

[8:54] You: I've built everything here but the cherry trees

[8:54] Aran Anderson_TEST: like a aztec ancient city with a future office tower on top :P

[8:55] You: yeah, there's certainly a lot of influences coming to bear here

[8:56] Aran Anderson_TEST: brb a sec :)

[8:56] You: kk

[9:09] Tara5 Oh is Online

[9:11] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[9:12] Tara5 Oh is Online

[9:15] Zha Ewry is Online

[9:17] Neas Bade is Online

[9:18] You: HEy Aran

[9:18] You: I gotta run

[9:18] You: Hey Aran

[9:18] You: I gotta run

[9:18] You: office hours at wright plaza

[9:19] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:19] Aran Anderson_TEST: ok, enjoy

[9:19] You: tc

[9:19] You: you know about IRC right

[9:19] Aran Anderson_TEST: i am still gettign the error :(

[9:19] Aran Anderson_TEST: i saw it, but i dont have it

[9:19] You: most of our support is done through IRC

[9:19] You: get chatzilla for your firefox

[9:19] You: #opensim on FreeNode

[9:19] Aran Anderson_TEST: ok kool thanks

[9:19] You: see ya!

[9:19] Aran Anderson_TEST: enjoy!

[9:20] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bade%20Plaza/104/116/173

[9:20] The region you have entered is running a different simulator version. Click this message for details.

[9:20] Strawberry Fride: hehe - been waiting to see someone with that avatar name for too long :)

[9:20] Zha Ewry: Hair matters

[9:20] Tara5 Oh: zha is making herself pretty while Rome burns.....

[9:20] Zha Ewry chuckles

[9:20] Neas Bade: heh

[9:20] You: Hey everbodeh

[9:20] Strawberry Fride: Hi Hiro :)

[9:21] You: man, gotta luv our chairs rofl

[9:21] Strawberry Fride: ejector seats :)

[9:21] Neas Bade: Zha, well you should work on the attachment save code so you can have prim hair :)

[9:21] Zha Ewry chuckles

[9:22] Zha Ewry: Well, assuming that I can keep the patching up to trunk, I'll keep that in mind

[9:22] Zha Ewry: that and berating lindens about things like LLSD

[9:22] Tara5 Oh: yes I am sure we will have that soon neas as Zha doen't usually attend meetings with Bad hair

[9:23] Strawberry Fride: I've got to the point where I don't mind so much - as long as it's red it'll do. Though I finally made my first hairstyle on my OS :)

[9:24] You: Tara, gotta click the seat first

[9:24] Zha Ewry: And hope it works

[9:24] You: I think she got launched that time

[9:24] Tara5 Oh: wow I got ejected into the sky!!

[9:24] You: Hey, Japan is represented! lD

[9:24] You: ;D even

[9:25] You: HEya Chillken

[9:26] Chillken Proto: Hello

[9:26] Adam Frisby: yo

[9:27] Neas Bade: hey Chillken

[9:27] You: I assume we are waiting to get started, as a number of our regular attendants are not in attendance ;)

[9:27] Neas Bade: well, the normal office hours don't actually start for 40 minutes

[9:27] Neas Bade: everyone here is early

[9:27] You: ahhh ok

[9:27] You: ;D

[9:27] Neas Bade: pixel just said she was here, so I swung by

[9:27] You: we're getting popular lols

[9:27] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:27] Neas Bade: yeh, we might need to start hiding office hours in different parts of osgrid

[9:27] Neas Bade: :)

[9:28] You: Bade plaza for instance

[9:28] Finrod Meriman: the IRC message said 11am PST CA start

[9:28] Neas Bade: Finro, it's 19 UTC

[9:28] You: ahhhh the truth comes out rofl

[9:28] Adam Frisby: It's 1900 UTC

[9:28] Archer Mokeev-Blessed: oh hahaha, I actually just thought I'd try if my OSGrid account still worked

[9:28] Neas Bade: which is 12 PST

[9:28] Nebadon Izumi: ok im here now so everyone can beat me for posting wrong time

[9:28] Wright Juran: so you mean I manage to sneak out my dungeon for one of these meetings and I'm early, damn time zones

[9:28] Adam Frisby: Has someone fixed the clock here yet? >_>

[9:28] Strawberry Fride: aah!

[9:28] Neas Bade: heh

[9:29] Hiro Protagonist beats on Neb with a phantom prim

[9:29] Archer Mokeev-Blessed: didn't even realize this might be office hours

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: adam

[9:29] paulie Flomar is Offline

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: server time is right

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: OpenSIM cant tell time

[9:29] Adam Frisby: Haha

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: same on the win plazas

[9:29] Neas Bade: the clock is system based

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: time is way wrong

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: apparently not Neas

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:29] Neas Bade: so it means the system has the wrong time

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: its not

[9:29] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:29] Strawberry Fride: wish that were true for me - can't get my clock on my system time

[9:29] Nebadon Izumi: its been this way for months

[9:29] Zha Ewry vanishes to go check on other things

[9:29] Zha Ewry: (afk, but I'll keep peeking)

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: the Windows plazas report incorrect time also

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: its liek 1.5 hours wrong

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: always

[9:30] Neas Bade: silly windows

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: its same here

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: this is linux

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:30] Nebadon Izumi: i cant explain it

[9:30] Neas Bade: I know mono seems to loose time after a while

[9:31] Neas Bade: when was the last WP reboot?

[9:31] Adam Frisby: The time shown in the viewer is sent as part of login

[9:31] Adam Frisby: It's possible we're calculating it wrong.

[9:31] Adam Frisby: it's in the original login XML request

[9:31] Neas Bade: oh

[9:31] Nebadon Izumi: time on server

[9:31] Nebadon Izumi: is 11:18

[9:31] Neas Bade: I bet it has to do with the default days being SL days now

[9:31] Nebadon Izumi: its 6 minutes off

[9:32] Adam Frisby: Nebadon: It's showing 9:31AM here

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: the sim time is no where near that

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[9:32] Adam Frisby: which is 2 hours off

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: its always like this on all sims

[9:32] Adam Frisby: It's 11:25 AM PST right now

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: time is never right

[9:32] You: I'm showing 9:31 in my viewer and 13:25 on my local clock (which is correct)

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: this server we are on

[9:32] paulie Flomar is Offline

[9:32] Nebadon Izumi: the system clock says 11:19 now

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: wow lots of new people today

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: hellow everyone i dont know

[9:33] Monk Zymurgy: back..do you think LL uses a central clock to keep the sims on one time?

[9:33] Monk Zymurgy: and hi everyone :)

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: probably Monk

[9:33] You: wb Monk

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: as all their servers are not in one location

[9:33] Monk Zymurgy: ty

[9:33] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: its possible they just sync the time zone to PST though

[9:33] Nebadon Izumi: on all thier hardware

[9:34] Nebadon Izumi: regardless of geography

[9:34] Nebadon Izumi: that seems like most fail proof method to me

[9:34] Monk Zymurgy nods

[9:34] Garth FairChang: Hi all.. excuse noob appearance

[9:34] Monk Zymurgy: yup ..get the sim to send the right time from sytsem to the client

[9:35] Nebadon Izumi: be right back i need to go Rescue Tess

[9:35] You: are we all still workin here?

[9:35] You: looks like

[9:35] You: I am at least

[9:35] Adam Frisby: Hrrm crazy idea here

[9:35] Monk Zymurgy: i think i am

[9:35] You: whats that Adam?

[9:36] Adam Frisby: but maybe we should build an auditorium for office hours that's got sufficient space/seating -- things are getting a little crowded here when we get 30 people

[9:36] Zha Ewry: Seems to still be here

[9:36] Adam Frisby: (although it's awesome to hear that OpenSim is running 30 people sanely. hehe.)

[9:36] You: Actually, I think Nebadon is doing exactly that at Zaius Plaza

[9:36] Adam Genkii: hey guys

[9:36] Adam Frisby: Hey Adjohn

[9:36] You: Hey Adjohn :D

[9:36] Nebadon Izumi is Online

[9:37] Neas Bade: a nice amphitheatre with trees would be great :)

[9:37] Charles Krinkeb is Online

[9:37] paulie Flomar is Offline

[9:37] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[9:37] Adam Frisby: I did the Pooley stage LL uses several years ago

[9:37] Zha Ewry is a fan of lakeside mellow spaces

[9:37] Monk Zymurgy nods

[9:37] Nebadon Izumi is Offline

[9:37] Dahlia Trimble is Online

[9:37] Monk Zymurgy: sounds good

[9:37] You: something like that is actually happening at Teravus Plaza ;)

[9:38] Strawberry Fride: G2's struggling to get back in

[9:38] You: 17 people in the region by my count

[9:38] Adam Frisby: Actually the login thing is something we should fix -- there's a bad lock in the loginserver.

[9:38] Adam Frisby: Only lets one user login/out at the same time.

[9:38] You: akkk

[9:38] Strawberry Fride: aah :)

[9:38] You: +1 fix that

[9:38] Charles Krinkeb: Holy Guacamole, Batman. I hope all the natives are friendly.

[9:38] Adam Frisby: We solved it at deepthink by rewriting the gridservers into ASP.net pages, but a proper fix is probably a good idea.

[9:39] Zha Ewry: Its deeply paranoid, too, it locks for a long time

[9:39] Adam Frisby: Yeah

[9:39] Zha Ewry: (as in across a huge amount of work)

[9:39] Adam Frisby: Maybe there's a sleep in there too that shouldnt be.

[9:39] Neas Bade: there are some sleeps

[9:39] Zha Ewry: I

[9:39] Neas Bade: it has to do with bad circuit detection as well

[9:40] Zha Ewry: ve been taking notes, last few times I was in there, I can see if we could be al ittle more clever

[9:40] Strawberry Fride: there's a lot of locks in the code I've seen - kinda hoping we'll be able to take osme out for the SQL server version...

[9:41] You: are we still live?

[9:41] BlueWall Slade: hello! anybody home?

[9:41] You: Heya Blue :D

[9:41] BlueWall Slade: hello :)

[9:41] You: you make 19 :D

[9:41] BlueWall Slade: hehe

[9:41] Monk Zymurgy: Hi BlueWall

[9:41] Nebadon Izumi is Online

[9:41] UUID Speaker: Adam Genkii, your key is 862ffadf-0c5d-49c4-97cd-6409f63baab2

[9:41] Neas Bade: locking is definitely suboptimal throughout the code

[9:41] You: Nebadon makes 20

[9:42] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:42] You: 330 MB allocated to the region

[9:42] Neas Bade: one of the bigger issues is actually the use of generics, as there aren't built in synchronized versions of those containers. That was found to be a killer by an IBM china team

[9:42] Nebadon Izumi: 338?

[9:42] Nebadon Izumi: where you get that # hiro

[9:42] Neas Bade: I keep meaning to dig into that again

[9:43] You: 330

[9:43] Neas Bade: after the nhibernate stuff is actually done

[9:43] Nebadon Izumi: im seeing 768

[9:43] You: wp console show stats

[9:43] Nebadon Izumi: ah ok

[9:43] Nebadon Izumi: i was looking at top

[9:43] Nebadon Izumi: Res = 768

[9:43] Neas Bade: there is mono overhead baked into the top number

[9:43] BlueWall Slade: Neas, it's ready for testing??

[9:43] Neas Bade: no, not yet

[9:43] paulie Flomar is Offline

[9:43] BlueWall Slade: ok

[9:43] You: big exception and dropped 30MB

[9:43] Neas Bade: actually, that's a good tech question

[9:43] Charles Krinkeb: We are either going to have a really fun meeting and have a record (or crash).

[9:43] Neas Bade: would anyone mind if I added RegionID to SOP?

[9:43] Hamilton Linden is Online

[9:43] Neas Bade: even if it is mostly not used

[9:44] Charles Krinkeb: +1

[9:44] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:44] Neas Bade: it would make the nhibernate mappings a lot easier

[9:44] Nebadon Izumi: hello Hamilton

[9:44] You: 21 users counting Hamilton :)

[9:44] Nebadon Izumi: Tess is coming too

[9:44] BlueWall Slade: Hi Hamilton

[9:44] Nebadon Izumi: that will be #22

[9:44] Tara5 Oh: Hi hamilton

[9:44] You: Welcome back to OSGrid once again Hamilton :)

[9:44] Hamilton Linden: Meetings in 15 minutes?

[9:44] You: sweet

[9:44] You: another record breaker today, looks like

[9:45] Charles Krinkeb: Lets get any minor stuff out of the way since many of the players are here.

[9:45] BlueWall Slade: Neas, I have one region that I will test NHibernate and PgSQL as soon as it's ready

[9:45] Zha Ewry: Ouch!

[9:45] Adam Frisby: Hey Hamilton

[9:45] Neas Bade: oh, and funny bug I found

[9:45] Hamilton Linden: Hi Adam

[9:45] Garth FairChang: SL Blog post might help your attendance

[9:45] Neas Bade: if you set SitRotation

[9:45] Adam Frisby: Well, I dont think the osgrid office hours are published anywhere on the LL end

[9:45] Adam Frisby: or really on the opensim homepage either

[9:46] Neas Bade: people that are sitting before you log in don't show up with the right rotation

[9:46] Adam Frisby: I actually think we need to revamp the opensim homepage again -- it's getting too ... obscure.

[9:46] Charles Krinkeb: They are on the gridlist. But, should they be on the frontpage?

[9:46] Nebadon Izumi: yay for hover text attachment

[9:46] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:46] Adam Frisby: OpenSim really should have some simple links on the front page "Download Here", "Get Help here", etc.

[9:46] Charles Krinkeb: Who should honcho, that, Adam?

[9:47] Adam Frisby: "Someone!"

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: its there

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: but it could be made better

[9:47] Adam Frisby: It's there, but it's completely obtuse.

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[9:47] paulie Flomar is Offline

[9:47] Neas Bade: I think part of the issue is the template is pretty noisy

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: but so is opensim

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: its quite obtuse at the moment

[9:47] Charles Krinkeb: Anyone up for some TLC of our OpenSimulator home page?

[9:47] Nebadon Izumi: it should also be noted that OpenSIM is not quite for everyone yet too probabloy

[9:47] Neas Bade: yep :)

[9:48] Neas Bade: only for the adventurous

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: i sort of made that clear on the Attach region page

[9:48] Adam Frisby: Well, it cant hurt to make it easier. ;)

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: yea

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: definatly not

[9:48] You: Hi Shenlei, WB :)

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: i'll work on it

[9:48] You: bye SHenlei!

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: does the Tardis work yet ???

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: woot

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: what is opensim ???

[9:48] TARDIS Wiki-Lith: Good Question ...

[9:48] TARDIS Wiki-Lith: This just in ...

[9:48] Neas Bade: nah, we should make it harder. Keep people from crowding up osgrid ;)

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: bah

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: guess its not

[9:48] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[9:48] Adam Frisby: Hahah

[9:48] Neas Bade: "get off my lawn!"

[9:48] You: Hi Tess

[9:49] You: Welcome to OSGrid :)

[9:49] Adam Frisby: Should Neas get off my lawn ???

[9:49] Adam Frisby: Haha

[9:49] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:49] Chrome Carter is Online

[9:49] Charles Krinkeb: Two questions for the pre-meeting: "Are we doing anything we should not be doing?" *and* "Are we not doing anything we should be doing?"

[9:49] You: we were just discussing sit rotation bugs rolf

[9:49] Nebadon Izumi: heheh tess

[9:49] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[9:49] BlueWall Slade: ahh, the old playing dead trick

[9:49] BlueWall Slade: hehe

[9:50] Adam Frisby: Quick someone take incriminating photos!

[9:50] Neas Bade: yeh, if anyone has any idea on why sitrotation during login might come differently then in world, that would be great

[9:50] Charles Krinkeb: Lets try to focus on things of interest to the greatest number of participants if at all possible.

[9:50] Neas Bade: I've got these logs that people sit on

[9:50] Neas Bade: and they sit sideways a lot because of it

[9:50] Nebadon Izumi: you rezzing noteboard Neas?

[9:50] paulie Flomar is Online

[9:50] Neas Bade has no rez powers :)

[9:50] Nebadon Izumi: go ahread

[9:50] Neas Bade: ah, ther eit is

[9:50] Nebadon Izumi: i changed it

[9:51] Charles Krinkeb: 1037 VIRT, 768 RES

[9:51] Nebadon Izumi: welcome back from the underworld Tess

[9:51] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:51] You: 357MB by the console

[9:51] You: 21 Avs

[9:52] paulie Flomar: whoa! it's a parteh!

[9:52] You: counting our favorite flying fox ;D

[9:52] Tara5 Oh is Online

[9:52] Nebadon Izumi: hey paulie

[9:52] BlueWall Slade: Hi Paulie

[9:52] paulie Flomar: Howdeh!

[9:52] BlueWall Slade: No Hippo Avie?

[9:52] Monk Zymurgy smiles..hi paulie..great avatar work :)

[9:53] Garth FairChang: Hi Paulie

[9:53] paulie Flomar: thx!

[9:53] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[9:53] paulie Flomar: Hiwdeh!

[9:53] paulie Flomar: Howdeh, even!

[9:53] Tara5 Oh is Online

[9:54] paulie Flomar: I see peeps sitting properly! Was the sit bug fixed?

[9:54] Nebadon Izumi: everyone might want to do a CTRL+ALT+R to rebake their avatars

[9:54] Zha Ewry blinks as appreacne sends her to 2000 feet

[9:54] paulie Flomar: yeah, rebake ftw!

[9:54] White Board: - So many people.... You need to manual do line breaks here. No word wrap yet.

[9:55] paulie Flomar dances with happiness!

[9:55] You: ok

[9:55] You: 22 avs

[9:55] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[9:56] You: 402MB

[9:56] Nebadon Izumi: few more minutes before we get started

[9:56] Charles Krinkeb: How should we proceed today, Neas?

[9:56] danx2 danx0r: hi

[9:56] Charles Krinkeb: morning, dan

[9:56] Nebadon Izumi: hello Dan

[9:56] You: Heya Danx0r

[9:56] paulie Flomar: Hey, Dan. :)

[9:56] G2 Proto: hey Dan, all!

[9:56] Adam Genkii: Hey Dan

[9:56] Adam Frisby: Yo Dan

[9:57] Charles Krinkeb: Hello, G2. Pleasure to see you here.

[9:57] Adam Frisby: What was the record for WP?

[9:57] You: wb G2

[9:57] G2 Proto: yes its a great day to start regularly showing up with all the cool interop news

[9:57] Nebadon Izumi: 25

[9:57] Adam Frisby: 23 or 25?

[9:57] Adam Frisby: kk

[9:57] Adam Frisby: Two more then

[9:57] You: I'm showing 24 avs now

[9:57] paulie Flomar: Howdeh, Tara.

[9:57] Charles Krinkeb: We have a ways to go to break Adam's 37 record.

[9:57] Tara5 Oh: Hi paulie!

[9:58] Neas Bade: so, zha, how's the patch?

[9:58] Adam Frisby: Hehe

[9:58] G2 Proto: haha im working on busting that record myslef

[9:58] You: well, Adam did that on a standlone though, right Adam?

[9:58] Nebadon Izumi: i'll fire up other PC

[9:58] Nebadon Izumi: and log in plaza builder

[9:58] sculpty_chair_with_sit: started

[9:59] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[9:59] paulie Flomar: h my!!!

[9:59] paulie Flomar: lol

[9:59] You: 25 avs

[9:59] Charles Krinkeb: I am thinking that we should have "Hamilton Linden" take the floor first when we are ready in order to respect his time.

[9:59] paulie Flomar: that was funneh!!! snort!

[9:59] Aramis Soren: hi people

[9:59] BlueWall Slade: Hi Aramis

[9:59] Adam Frisby: Hiro: Standalone, Rev about 3200, Win32

[9:59] danx2 danx0r: haha check out how I'm sitting on this bench

[10:00] Neas Bade: hey dan, been a while

[10:00] Tess Linden: underworld ? :P

[10:00] Hamilton Linden: I'd like to wait for Periapse or Whump to join since they'll be running the Public Open Grid Beta

[10:00] BlueWall Slade: lol danx2

[10:00] danx2 danx0r: gotta work, just hanging

[10:00] sculpty_chair_with_sit: started

[10:00] TextBoard: Interop - OGP builds - Patch from Zha soon

Items for 0.6 release - nhibernate - neas - script stubs - ??

Anything else? - Please announce changes that will break people. :)

[10:01] Neas Bade: hey Lindens, so when can we get a URL bar in the browser so we don't need to have a dozen icons on our desktop to connect to different OpenSims? :)

[10:01] AB_Bar Stool: started

[10:01] You: 27 avs

[10:01] AB_Bar Stool: changed

[10:01] AB_Bar Stool: changedlink

[10:01] AB_Bar Stool: avatarsat

[10:01] AB_Bar Stool: runtime permissions called

[10:01] You: oops

[10:01] You: 26

[10:01] Justin Clark-Casey is Online

[10:01] You: can I get 28??

[10:01] You: now 27

[10:01] Hamilton Linden: The test viewer allows you to choose between beta grids but that's not quite what you want

[10:01] Nebadon Izumi: heh well now we are over the previous record

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: i'll keep plaza builder off

[10:02] Hamilton Linden: Get Pixel to add it

[10:02] Neas Bade: nope

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: changed

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: changedlink

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: avatarunsat

[10:02] Tara5 Oh: Stefan Andersson sends his regards but can't login he is going on holiday with his family!

[10:02] Neas Bade: a fixed list isn't very useful

[10:02] Neas Bade: we need freeform field

[10:02] Hamilton Linden: Yeah, I hear you Neas

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: changed

[10:02] Aramis Soren: neas someone from channel posted this launcher link

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: changed

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: changedlink

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: avatarsat

[10:02] AB_Bar Stool: runtime permissions called

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: like Realxtend has

[10:02] Aramis Soren: http://lab.newworldgrid.com/index.php/OpenSim_Launcher

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: thats a good example

[10:02] Justin Clark-Casey: wow, crowd city

[10:02] Nebadon Izumi: hey Justin

[10:02] Justin Clark-Casey: hey nebadon

[10:03] You: we're pushing the envelope today sir

[10:03] BlueWall Slade: Hi Chrome

[10:03] Neas Bade: Aramis, does that work on Linux and Mac?

[10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: and how is the envelope holding up?

[10:03] You: Hey, there you are Chrome

[10:03] Nebadon Izumi: glue is starting to liquify :P

[10:03] paulie Flomar: Hey, chrome. :)

[10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: lol

[10:03] Hamilton Linden: Hi Periapse

[10:03] You: we've done far worse with half the avs before *winks*

[10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: I see what you mean

[10:03] Aramis Soren: remember when we had to actually lick stamps? hehe

[10:03] Chrome Carter: hello :)

[10:04] You: Heya Periapse :D

[10:04] Hamilton Linden: Charles I can do a quick intro

[10:04] You: we lose one and gain one

[10:04] Zha Ewry: Hey Tess, Peri, Jcc, and many others I can barely pan to

[10:04] Dahlia Trimble is Offline

[10:04] Justin Clark-Casey: hi zha

[10:04] Adam Frisby: Heh

[10:04] Adam Frisby: This is cool

[10:04] Adam Frisby: <#

[10:05] Pixel Gausman: hi Zha (feeling left out)

[10:05] Justin Clark-Casey: hey chillken, adam

[10:05] danx2 danx0r: got about 3 m mtf in ubuntu on this old laptop

[10:05] Justin Clark-Casey: don't often see you guys at this time of day :)

[10:05] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[10:05] Adam Genkii: Hey

[10:05] Chillken Proto: good afternoon (?)

[10:05] Justin Clark-Casey: evening for me

[10:05] Adam Genkii: It took lots of coffee

[10:05] BlueWall Slade: Good $TIMEZONE

[10:05] You: afternoon here

[10:06] paulie Flomar: woots!

[10:06] Charles Krinkeb: Lets let "Hamilton" take the floor for a while and share anything he wishes first.

[10:06] Garth FairChang: Almost afternoon here

[10:06] BlueWall Slade: justin, you have a normal avatar :)

[10:06] Hamilton Linden: ok

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: bluewall I do!

[10:06] Hamilton Linden: Thanks for all the input and feedback on an Open Beta during Zero's office hours and last week.

[10:06] BlueWall Slade: :)

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm all black in my view :)

[10:06] Charles Krinkeb: shhh

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: sorrym that shoudl have been I do?

[10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: oops

[10:06] Hamilton Linden: As you probably saw we "officially" announced the Public Open Grid Beta today

[10:06] Tara5 Oh: rebake textures??

[10:06] Tess Linden: w00t!

[10:06] paulie Flomar: yay!

[10:06] Aramis Soren: *golf clap*

[10:07] paulie Flomar howls!!

[10:07] Justin Clark-Casey: nah, never works for me

[10:07] G2 Proto: awesome news!

[10:07] Hiro Protagonist howls

[10:07] Justin Clark-Casey: it's some kind of graphics driver issue

[10:07] Pixel Gausman: whoohoo!

[10:07] Hamilton Linden: The first round will be for OpenSim folks

[10:07] Pixel Gausman: double whoohoo!

[10:07] Hamilton Linden: We'll open it up to broader set later

[10:07] BlueWall Slade: WOOT!

[10:07] G2 Proto: awesome Hamilton

[10:07] paulie Flomar: rawr!!

[10:07] Adam Frisby: Cool.

[10:07] Hamilton Linden: In case you haven't seen Torley's really cool video on the SL <=> OpenSim teleporting and the blog post check it out at:

[10:08] Hamilton Linden: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/07/08/ibm-linden-lab-interoperability-announcement/

[10:08] You: It's a bit cheesy, but hey it is *very* cool :)

[10:08] Hamilton Linden: Periapse Linden and Whump Linden are running the Public Open Grid Beta

[10:08] Strawberry Fride: extremely cool :)

[10:08] G2 Proto: love it

[10:08] Hamilton Linden: Hiro: you gotta have some fun

[10:08] Tara5 Oh: If people have time to type into the chat line who they are and how they like their name linked I am blogging this Historic meeting!!

[10:08] You: lol yeah

[10:08] Hamilton Linden: So Periapse do you want to take the floor

[10:08] Neas Bade: zha, do you have your patch merged up to trunk?

[10:08] You: I was about to add, I think the cheese is just Torley ;)

[10:09] Zha Ewry: And. as soon as we untangle the pipeline, the code should be on the mantis

[10:09] danx2 danx0r: before I crash again -- IRC bridge?

[10:09] Zha Ewry: (DrSco said its merged)

[10:09] Hamilton Linden: oh, he disconnected

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi is Offline

[10:09] Hamilton Linden: so we have a link for the Public Open Grid Beta

[10:09] Hamilton Linden: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Grid_Public_Beta

[10:09] Nebadon Izumi is Online

[10:09] Hamilton Linden: You just need to contact Periapse or Whump Linden and they'll get you setup

[10:09] paulie Flomar: woots!

[10:10] G2 Proto: doing so taoday!

[10:10] Hamilton Linden: We're officially committing to July 31st to start

[10:10] Adam Frisby: Shiny.

[10:10] BlueWall Slade: hehe

[10:10] Neas Bade: hmmm I didn't see it on the internal list except in the notes mutilated state

[10:10] Hamilton Linden: but we'd obviously like to do it sooner

[10:10] Dahlia Trimble is Online

[10:10] Strawberry Fride: Brilliant! :)

[10:10] G2 Proto: us too

[10:10] Hamilton Linden: Peripase you back?

[10:10] G2 Proto: :)

[10:10] Neas Bade: if you resend there, I'll post it to the mantis

[10:10] Neas Bade: it would be nice to get it out during this meeting

[10:10] paulie Flomar: Howdeh, dahlia. :)

[10:10] Adam Frisby: Yeah that would be cool

[10:10] Dahlia Trimble: hi :)

[10:11] Hiro Protagonist: a very quick question if I may, about you folk's successful jump to osgrid: upon arrival, did you get inventories local to this grid?

[10:11] Tess Linden is Offline

[10:11] Kurt Stringer is Online

[10:11] Hamilton Linden: When it starts they'll give you the info for the downloadable viewer and access to the Agent Domain Host

[10:12] G2 Proto: cool!

[10:12] Hamilton Linden: Hopefully Zha will have his code in before then

[10:12] Neas Bade: so, I had a question on Agent Domains

[10:12] Kurt Stringer is Offline

[10:12] paulie Flomar: 27 agents on here, now. :)

[10:12] Hamilton Linden: for the OpenSim OGP support

[10:12] Neas Bade: how would you do hand off between them?

[10:12] Kurt Stringer is Online

[10:12] Zha Ewry: Its working through the path now, to mantis, I hope

[10:12] Hamilton Linden: That's defined in the Teleport Strawman

[10:12] Neas Bade: between agent domains?

[10:12] Adam Frisby: 28 :D

[10:12] Rez Tone is Offline

[10:13] Hamilton Linden: Currently it has one agent domain and supports multiple region domains

[10:13] Adam Frisby: I'd love to get this many avs in a profiler session, be interesting to see what shows up.

[10:13] Hamilton Linden: we have to walk before we run :-)

[10:13] Hamilton Linden: Any other questions?

[10:13] G2 Proto: fair enough

[10:13] G2 Proto: no just thanks for the progress!

[10:13] Charles Krinkeb: Absolutely, Hamilton. Thanks for the update so far.

[10:13] BlueWall Slade: At this point, what do you need from us as testers?

[10:13] Neas Bade: right, but that actually restricts what we can do in the opensim world. As today, because all the handoffs are between regions, inter grid teleport is actually possible

[10:13] You: this machine seems incapable of a profile adam

[10:14] Neas Bade: it would be nice to not loose that with agent domain

[10:14] Hiro Protagonist: Awesome Hamilton

[10:14] Hiro Protagonist: And thanks a heap and a stack for all your hard work on this Zha :)

[10:14] Teravus Ousley is Online

[10:14] Hamilton Linden: BlueWall, visiting the Public Open Grid Beta page and following up with Periapse or Whump is what's needed so they can put you on the list

[10:14] G2 Proto: Zha rules!

[10:14] Justin Clark-Casey: +1 on neas

[10:14] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[10:14] Zha Ewry: The agent domain, is pretty thin, but. it's certainly a good point

[10:14] BlueWall Slade: ok, thanks

[10:15] Dahlia Trimble: have a url for that page?

[10:15] Neas Bade: I'm less concerned by how big the agent domain is

[10:15] Aramis Soren: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Grid_Public_Beta

[10:15] Neas Bade: and more concerned that you are locked into 1

[10:15] Zha Ewry: Right

[10:15] Dahlia Trimble: ty :)

[10:15] Zha Ewry: In fact, I'm trying really hard to be death on singletons

[10:15] Hiro Protagonist: 29 Avs

[10:15] Hamilton Linden: I understand the "I want everything yesterday argument"

[10:15] Charles Krinkeb: 29 users, VIRT=1143, RES=860. 9 to go for the record.

[10:16] Justin Clark-Casey: still got headroom for more avs I think

[10:16] Pixel Gausman: Neas: in theory the protocols are open... so anyone could implement a version of agentdomain, right?

[10:16] Zha Ewry: search, and such, as singletons, are anoying today, we really shoudl be not introducing one

[10:16] Hamilton Linden: But I think this is a big step forward and we really are looking forward to pushing this interop forward with you

[10:16] Hiro Protagonist: 393 MB according to the region console

[10:16] Neas Bade: Pixel, no I think you missed my point

[10:16] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, 850 according to top though

[10:16] G2 Proto: same here Hanilton this is huge news today thanks again

[10:16] Aramis Soren: this can only mean Good Things for all

[10:16] Neas Bade: it's active hand off that is the concern

[10:16] Charles Krinkeb: Hamilton. Our desire it to test in an objective fashion when you are ready.

[10:16] Hamilton Linden: Great

[10:16] BlueWall Slade: yes, it's great news

[10:17] Hiro Protagonist: Awesome news :D

[10:17] Charles Krinkeb: We certainly dont want to deploy anything, but rather to test and work out logical details.

[10:17] Hamilton Linden: That's all from us Charles

[10:17] Hiro Protagonist tries not to hop up and down

[10:17] Tara5 Oh is Online

[10:18] Aramis Soren: hiro bouncy ball animation in library hehe

[10:18] Charles Krinkeb: Thanks, Hamilton. Let me segue to the same question as last week "What are the remaining impediments to get to a 0.6 release and can we do it this month?"

[10:18] Zha Ewry: There are a bunch of issues which I think willl really get some good input from the community

[10:18] Adam Frisby: Mantis #1696 has the code for interop.

[10:18] Adam Frisby: (FYI)

[10:18] Hiro Protagonist: FTW!

[10:18] Zha Ewry: Its really important that we bview this, not as just the needs of what Linden is doing.. but.. the community in the large

[10:18] Justin Clark-Casey: zha: +1

[10:18] Neas Bade: ok, cool

[10:18] BlueWall Slade: \0/

[10:18] Hiro Protagonist nods

[10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: ckrinke: what was on the board for 0.6?

[10:19] Hiro Protagonist: also tho, important to realize you can only play catch with someone else who haz a ballglove

[10:19] Aramis Soren ponders that deep thought

[10:19] Charles Krinkeb: LSL functions, nHibernate, closing some Mantisi as I recall.

[10:20] Hiro Protagonist: we've roughed up mantis pretty good I think

[10:20] Aramis Soren: what happened with the griefers last nite? any more trouble?

[10:21] Hiro Protagonist: plenteh, but we've swept up and locked down again

[10:21] You: nah, just some dumb kids

[10:21] Aramis Soren: cool but you had to turn off build here?

[10:21] You: their fun lasted about 15 minutes

[10:21] Hiro Protagonist: depnds on who you ask, I suppose *winks*

[10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: you guys need some police uniforms

[10:21] You: hehe

[10:21] Aramis Soren: GP Grid Police

[10:21] Hiro Protagonist snickers

[10:21] Charles Krinkeb: The griefers are causing us to focus on some security issues in the software and thats a good thing.

[10:21] Chrome Carter: dark suits wuld be cooler :P

[10:21] You: well

[10:21] You: since we are on this topic

[10:22] You: i wanted to see if anyone thought about getting allowed avatars working

[10:22] You: on land manager

[10:22] Adam Frisby: It used to work

[10:22] You: Shenlei and I are planning a party

[10:22] You: for here on OSGrid

[10:22] You: we wanted it to be RSVP

[10:22] G2 Proto: yes!

[10:22] Strawberry Fride: yey!

[10:22] Hiro Protagonist: ok Neb

[10:22] You: and be able to block everyone whos not invited

[10:22] Hiro Protagonist: we need to tewst out on that

[10:22] You: i did

[10:22] Hiro Protagonist: *test even

[10:22] You: it doesnt keep the list

[10:23] You: you can add people

[10:23] You: but when you go back to list later

[10:23] You: its empty

[10:23] Hiro Protagonist: oh okies ;)

[10:23] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: very nice

[10:23] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: the party I mean

[10:23] You: yea

[10:23] Justin Clark-Casey: it' ll be a real stress tester

[10:23] You: yep

[10:23] Charles Krinkeb: Getting back to 0.6. Do we want to aim for a 0.6 this month still? And should this be on the list?

[10:23] You: Adam has volunteered some heavy duty hardware for event

[10:24] Adam Frisby: :)

[10:24] Aramis Soren: maybe plan for 2 adjacent grids, more people that way?

[10:24] Hiro Protagonist: I think we should keep our goals for 0.6 static

[10:24] Adam Frisby: I just realised we could probably use our mailserver for it. We never put it into production, but it's a dual quad core beast. >_>

[10:24] You: right now the plan for party is 6 sims

[10:24] G2 Proto: great idea

[10:24] Hiro Protagonist: we're pretty well aware there's an occasional need to do something in a hurry

[10:24] Aramis Soren: woohoo

[10:24] Aramis Soren: and more "borrowed" hardware gotta love it lol

[10:24] Hiro Protagonist: our job is to communicate that need on that occasion

[10:25] Justin Clark-Casey: ckrinke: you know, I'm quite neutral on that topic

[10:25] You: how is LSL coming along Charles?

[10:25] Justin Clark-Casey: ckrinke: I'm a big fan of just putting out point releases at regular intervals when the code appears stable

[10:25] You: i must say i have not been keeping up to date

[10:25] Justin Clark-Casey: though I almost think an argument is coming that we should recommend people stay on actually numbered releases

[10:25] Teravus Ousley peeks at the total un-acked bytes at 9MB

[10:25] Justin Clark-Casey: rather than following head

[10:25] Charles Krinkeb: We need about 88 functions to finish fleshing out the stubs.

[10:25] Dr Scofield: hi hi

[10:25] Hiro Protagonist: Hello DrSco

[10:25] Dahlia Trimble: hi dr :)

[10:25] You: are we still looking at that as milestone for .6?

[10:26] Hiro Protagonist: 29 avs folks

[10:26] Garth FairChang: Hi Dr Sco

[10:26] Charles Krinkeb: It could be argued that we have sufficient, if the artists concur.

[10:26] Dahlia Trimble: noone move! lol

[10:26] G2 Proto: lol\

[10:26] Dr Scofield: coool

[10:26] Adam Frisby: Someone find 8 more people

[10:26] You: yea it seems to me it could be some time before the remaining 88 functions are stubbed out

[10:26] Charles Krinkeb: 31 avatars, VIRT=1194, RES=769

[10:26] Aramis Soren: my nose itches ;)

[10:26] G2 Proto: stopped breathing

[10:26] You: perhaps we should move it to .7 goal

[10:26] Hiro Protagonist: I think our LSL requirements were just for stubs - such that no call breaks the region

[10:27] Charles Krinkeb: We have had stubs for all since last September. But we must be talking about a different kind of stub.

[10:27] Adam Frisby: What about LSL events?

[10:27] Hiro Protagonist: it's good our functionality is so high, but I think we're where we need to be for 0.6

[10:27] You: yea

[10:27] Adam Frisby: How many of the 33 events do we support?

[10:27] Hiro Protagonist: not enough

[10:27] UUID Speaker: paulie Flomar, your key is 86003a74-b4d4-45fc-bfa7-46aab9949e94

[10:27] Adam Frisby: That's our major deficiency IMO

[10:27] Hiro Protagonist: I think events and current engine refactoring should be a hard and fast 0.7 target

[10:28] Wright Juran: Teravus, Stefan is actually going to look to see if he can improve the ack code during his holiday ( I made sure he had lots of homework to do during it)

[10:28] Shenlei Winkler is Offline

[10:28] Adam Frisby: Haha Wright

[10:28] You: i saw MikeM commited a new LSL compiler

[10:28] Hiro Protagonist: I concur totally Adam

[10:28] You: has anyone tested it yet?

[10:28] Adam Frisby: Tell him to hook up with Johan about the ClientStack

[10:28] Adam Frisby: Johan's been doing a lot of experimental work there

[10:28] Hiro Protagonist: 30 Avs

[10:28] Charles Krinkeb: That is one of our current weak points. The testers dont know how to test all the new features.

[10:28] You: yea i logged in plaza just to get 40

[10:29] You: 30

[10:29] You: lol

[10:29] Hiro Protagonist: 498MB by the region console (ouch)

[10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: so login was fine for you?

[10:29] G2 Proto: i have friends trying to get in but cant

[10:29] Charles Krinkeb: VIRT=1237, RES=823

[10:29] You: i just logged in Plaza Builder

[10:29] Neas Bade: Wright, grat

[10:29] You: so it is working

[10:29] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, we seem to be having issues with logins

[10:29] Hiro Protagonist: 31 Avs

[10:29] Neas Bade: great

[10:29] Adam Frisby: 31. :D

[10:29] Teravus Ousley is Offline

[10:29] Hiro Protagonist: lost Teravus

[10:29] Dr Scofield: justin, logim was fine, movement sucks

[10:29] Charles Krinkeb: I suspect we are stressing a number of servers right now.

[10:30] Hamilton Linden: Thanks! Gonna split. Cya.

[10:30] Charles Krinkeb: Smoke coming out of the top of the userServer.

[10:30] You: plaza builder is moving around ok

[10:30] Hiro Protagonist: I think the U service is just choking on simultaneous logins

[10:30] G2 Proto: ok cya hamilton thank you and LL

[10:30] Charles Krinkeb: See you, Hamilton, and thanks.

[10:30] BlueWall Slade: thanks for all the info Hamilton

[10:30] Hiro Protagonist: THanks Lined Folk!

[10:30] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, I can't alawyas tell whether movement sucks because of my graphics card or because of the sim

[10:30] Adam Frisby: Should we be heading to Zero's hours now?

[10:30] Hiro Protagonist: *Linden

[10:30] Strawberry Fride: seeya Hamilton, and thanks again :)

[10:30] Chris D: Thanks

[10:30] Mike Ortman: woot

[10:30] Hamilton Linden: Zero's office hours are at 1 so not for another 35 minutes

[10:30] Adam Frisby: Heya Mike

[10:30] Hiro Protagonist: 31 Avs

[10:30] You: good stuff

[10:30] You: another record :D

[10:30] Adam Frisby: so let's keep trying to pile on avs then

[10:30] G2 Proto: yeah!

[10:30] You: thanks everyone for contributing to this

[10:30] Adam Frisby: Oh cool

[10:31] Aramis Soren: someone post slurl for that please

[10:31] G2 Proto: we are they cant get in

[10:31] Mike Ortman: whats fantastic is this is the first time ive logged into a heavy sim on this laptop

[10:31] Charles Krinkeb: We need 8 to break Adam's record.

[10:31] Adam Frisby: Hehe

[10:31] Mike Ortman: and im getting 56fps!

[10:31] G2 Proto: wow

[10:31] Dr Scofield: zha code is in the mantis: http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=1696

[10:31] Hiro Protagonist: :D

[10:31] Dahlia Trimble is Offline

[10:31] Mike Ortman: then I turn..and go down to 18

[10:31] Strawberry Fride: what are you running on??

[10:31] Teravus Ousley is Online

[10:31] You: hehe sounds like some Dual 8800's

[10:31] Mike Ortman: its a 15" macbook pro with the higherend graphics card :P

[10:31] Strawberry Fride: with all settings set to minimum detail :)

[10:32] Charles Krinkeb: Did we decide if there will be a 0.6 this month?

[10:32] You: intersting

[10:32] Mike Ortman: 256mb 8600m I think

[10:32] paulie Flomar: I say go for 0.6.

[10:32] You: thats pretty good framerate for that machine

[10:32] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: I think it is your call really

[10:32] Charles Krinkeb: And regardless, what needs to be done in the next week?

[10:32] Dahlia Trimble is Online

[10:32] Strawberry Fride: that's what I'm on - 'cept I rarely get more than 10fps 'cos I demand all the settings at max and run at 1900x1200

[10:32] You: suprising actually

[10:32] Zha Ewry: Between 15-20 here, with full up windlight on

[10:32] Zha Ewry: (and that's laptop, with nvdia

[10:33] Tara5 Oh: hey zha will you take me a Windlight photo?

[10:33] paulie Flomar: if we could get appearance working better so we didnt have to rebake all the time, that would be loverly.

[10:33] Charles Krinkeb: If its my call, then I would say as long as no breakages occur in trunk for the couple of days leading up to a Saturday and reliability is good, we tag and bag.

[10:33] You: i used to get those kind of speeds prior to windlight

[10:33] You: i have a screenshot of 110fps

[10:33] You: in SL

[10:33] You: hehe

[10:33] Zha Ewry: Mstly gray, or paritcle cloudy people, Tara

[10:33] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: you're planning on a 0.5.9 and then a 0.6?

[10:33] Tara5 Oh: hehe that is my problem

[10:33] Adam Frisby: 0.5.10?

[10:33] Adam Frisby: Nothing wrong with that

[10:33] Justin Clark-Casey: adam: absolutely - then we can go on as long as we need before 0.6 :)

[10:34] Adam Frisby: :)

[10:34] You: yea me personally

[10:34] Zha Ewry: 0.5.25

[10:34] Charles Krinkeb: Do we feel we have 60% of the features functional an average secondlife user would expect??

[10:34] You: i say lets not rush it

[10:34] BlueWall Slade: we should prepare a press release for the 0.6

[10:34] Teravus Ousley notes that we have about 1/2 of the LSL events implemented

[10:34] Justin Clark-Casey: well, 1.0 isn't second life complaince you know, charles

[10:34] G2 Proto: i feel 60% is close

[10:34] Charles Krinkeb: Oh, I know.

[10:34] Wright Juran: charles if we release 0.6 this month, then think it should be at the end, when opensim is 1 and half years old

[10:34] Neas Bade: Wright, Adam, Ter, and issue if I add RegionID to SOP? It would make some of my mapping stuff a lot easier

[10:35] You: Wright Juran = MW?

[10:35] Adam Frisby: No Issue as far as I can tell

[10:35] Charles Krinkeb: Lets aim for the end of the month for a 0.6 and skip 0.5.9 and just go for it.

[10:35] Teravus Ousley: Yeah

[10:35] You: heh ok

[10:35] Teravus Ousley: @ nebadon

[10:35] paulie Flomar: ok

[10:35] Mike Ortman: quite a bit of movement lag

[10:35] You: yea

[10:35] You: we just beat the crap out of this server

[10:35] You: im not suprised

[10:35] You: lol

[10:35] Adam Frisby: Well

[10:35] Adam Frisby: We beat the crap out of it, and it didnt do anything silly

[10:35] Adam Frisby: I'd call that a win

[10:35] You: its probably leaking Heat Paste out of the case

[10:35] Hiro Protagonist: +1

[10:35] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[10:35] Aramis Soren: lol

[10:35] Tara5 Oh is Online

[10:35] Justin Clark-Casey: there are login issues though

[10:35] Adam Frisby: I'd even be willing to say maybe we should tag this particular revision as 0.5.9

[10:36] Adam Frisby: Because it is working fairly solidly.

[10:36] Justin Clark-Casey: but the causes could be complicated

[10:36] Neas Bade: yeh, login seems to be when we do some big cpu spikes

[10:36] Charles Krinkeb: As long as we think about 60% of the features are working, that seems reasonable. That is a total, not just events. But, it would be nice to get at least 2 more events working.

[10:36] Teravus Ousley: Yes, good idea

[10:36] Wright Juran: neas, can't think of anything, but mail to the list just to see if anyone can think of anything

[10:36] Adam Frisby: Hrrm

[10:36] Adam Frisby: Could i get some volunteers from here to help me profile the login spike?

[10:36] You: personally i think we have far less than 60% complete

[10:36] You: hehe

[10:36] Adam Frisby: I can setup a new sim in a few minutes with a profiler

[10:36] Hiro Protagonist: count me in AdamZaius

[10:36] Adam Frisby: if I could get everyone to login to it, maybe we can try find where we slow down if it's on the sim end

[10:36] You: sure

[10:36] Neas Bade: Wright, will do

[10:37] You: sounds good

[10:37] Strawberry Fride: sure, I'm game

[10:37] Adam Frisby: Give me 5 mins

[10:37] Adam Genkii: sure

[10:37] G2 Proto: k

[10:37] Hiro Protagonist: 10 if you need em

[10:37] Adam Frisby: I'll find a server of ours that isnt being used for something, hang on.

[10:37] Justin Clark-Casey: well, in the mean time, are there any other opensim issues?

[10:37] Charles Krinkeb: Next question: "What as testers can we do to support the developers better in the next week?"

[10:37] You: yea make sure its windows

[10:37] You: Adam

[10:37] Tara5 Oh: I have to go pick up kid from summer camp sorry!

[10:37] You: i bet this doesnt go as well on windows

[10:37] Hiro Protagonist: Bye Tara

[10:37] White Board: - So many people.... - Sit rotation bug - Neas is a slacker, nhibernate still in progress - Patch from Zha - Mantis 1696

[10:37] You: id like to see a good load test with profile done on windows and linux

[10:37] Justin Clark-Casey: see you tara5

[10:37] Tara5 Oh: cya soon!

[10:38] Strawberry Fride: seeya Tara :)

[10:38] Charles Krinkeb: bye, Tara

[10:38] You: im sure adams using windows though

[10:38] Hiro Protagonist: actually Neb

[10:38] Adam Genkii: Bye Tara5!

[10:38] Zha Ewry: When you're ready, tap me, and I can drop in at least 2 or 3 aves

[10:38] Tara5 Oh is Offline

[10:38] Dahlia Trimble: bye Tara :)

[10:38] Hiro Protagonist: given what we've been seeing - I would be surprised if they turned up anything much different

[10:38] You: yea

[10:38] Dahlia Trimble: I have an alt in the corner ;)

[10:38] You: we'll see

[10:38] Charles Krinkeb: Justin, Mw, Neas, Teravus? What can the testers do in the testing to help your work in the next week?

[10:38] You: granted this is good

[10:38] You: but if someone started building right now

[10:38] Hiro Protagonist: 31 avs

[10:38] You: forget

[10:38] You: this region would instantly die

[10:39] Hiro Protagonist: 542MB by the console

[10:39] Adam Genkii: Maybe test out scripts on Mike's compiler?

[10:39] You: i plan on doing that in a bit

[10:39] Dahlia Trimble: torturing prims while running ODE would help me

[10:39] Adam Frisby: hrrm

[10:39] Teravus Ousley: I'm currently in the middle of a work stint. not much time to devote to opensimulator at the moment

[10:39] Adam Frisby: We've got two mikes now.

[10:39] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: yes, what Adam Genkii said

[10:39] Adam Frisby: Mike from 3Di is officially mike#2.

[10:39] You: actually

[10:39] You: im a Mike too

[10:39] You: lol

[10:39] Adam Frisby: Since Mike from DeepThink was here first.

[10:39] Adam Frisby: :P

[10:39] Adam Genkii: mikem maybe

[10:39] Adam Frisby: You can be mike 3.

[10:39] Alex Strong: :P zomg i'm ruth! :P

[10:39] You: lol

[10:39] You: yay

[10:40] You: M3

[10:40] Charles Krinkeb: Sounds good. We'll see if we can make progress on that. Can we have a clue where to start?

[10:40] Adam Frisby: Hey Alex

[10:40] Adam Frisby beats Alex over the head.

[10:40] Adam Frisby: Mwuahhaa

[10:40] Alex Strong: I need to get myself a pair of pants i'll keep for at least 3 years

[10:40] Teravus Ousley slaps himself around with a large trout

[10:40] You: hehe

[10:40] Adam Genkii: I think he added some docs to the code

[10:40] Adam Genkii: or a txt file

[10:40] Adam Genkii: I haven't checked it out yet though

[10:40] You: right now i think the biggest region killer though

[10:40] You: is building

[10:40] Charles Krinkeb: I'll see if we can get some traction on that.

[10:41] Adam Frisby: Nebadon: Building should have gotten better after the patch I did over the weekend

[10:41] Justin Clark-Casey: yes, I guess reports on the current bottlenecks would be good

[10:41] You: like if someone is building while someone else is logging in

[10:41] Hiro Protagonist: timers and loops, oh MY!

[10:41] You: forget it

[10:41] You: region = dead

[10:41] You: it doesnt crash

[10:41] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: interesting

[10:41] You: but itbecomes quite unuseable

[10:41] You: region requires a restart

[10:41] Charles Krinkeb: As i understand it from the testers viewpoint, the two biggest issues are memory consumption and reliability of building with linked primsets.

[10:41] Justin Clark-Casey: what do you mean by unuseable?

[10:41] You: skiw

[10:41] You: slow

[10:41] You: unreliable

[10:42] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: what is wrong with linksets?

[10:42] You: you risk loosing your build

[10:42] You: ive had to hack database several times

[10:42] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: permanently? (by the sound of it)

[10:42] You: to get prim to start

[10:42] Hiro Protagonist: Justin: much trouble editing the linked parts

[10:42] You: and remove prims

[10:42] Hiro Protagonist: especially if you modify the root prim

[10:42] You: also

[10:42] Charles Krinkeb: I have heard several times that folks doing complicated builds get all bolloxed up. Maybe not linked primsets so much as more complicated builds.

[10:42] You: another crash

[10:42] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: is this on a region with many prims or fiew?

[10:42] Zha Ewry: Root prim is pretty painful t touch

[10:42] You: crashes the client

[10:42] Adam Frisby: Fokls: I might do this stress test later

[10:42] You: fill a prim with objects

[10:42] Adam Frisby: everyone going to be around on IRC?

[10:42] You: like 50 textures

[10:42] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, complicated builds are going to start stressing the boundaries

[10:42] G2 Proto: yes

[10:42] Hiro Protagonist: I've done some very complex builds over whole regions

[10:43] You: then try to move the textures from the prim

[10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: I would be interested to talk to Shenlei about that some time too

[10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: since she has done some pretty complex looking stuff

[10:43] BlueWall Slade: you can't select all the prims and take them unlinked

[10:43] Hiro Protagonist: the linkset is what gets me

[10:43] Hiro Protagonist: I wont even edit a linkset at this point

[10:43] You: Shenlei works in Standalone though

[10:43] Hiro Protagonist: unlink/relink is reliable

[10:43] Hiro Protagonist: linkset is not

[10:43] You: i dont think standalone gets hammered like Grid mode does

[10:43] You: plus

[10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: hiro: okay.. might be worth trying to gather a mantis together at some point

[10:43] You: her regions dont have neighbors

[10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: on the linkset stuff

[10:43] Charles Krinkeb: We are also getting to the point where we can to mass teleports of 6 or more avatars simultaneously but things get quite slow until the packets all catch up with each other.

[10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: start gathering evidence

[10:43] Hiro Protagonist: ok justin will do sir

[10:44] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: yes,those are good points

[10:44] You: yea logging in and teleporting

[10:44] You: seem to clobber the region

[10:44] You: and if someone is there building

[10:44] You: it never recoveres

[10:44] Charles Krinkeb: So, I would say another issue from the testers viewpoint is that there are things which significantly lag the region down that could be addressed.

[10:44] Neas Bade: neb, yeh, there is a cpu spike on login and logout

[10:44] You: yea

[10:44] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: oh, so teleporting in at any point causes this iissue?

[10:44] Justin Clark-Casey: not just if something else is actively happening?

[10:44] You: yes, but its made worse when someone is in the receiving region

[10:44] You: and is building

[10:44] You: rezzing prims

[10:44] You: deleteing

[10:44] You: any of that coupled witha login/teleport = bad news

[10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: charles: yeah, we're entering the zone now, I feelm where it's going to get much more complicate dto fix these issues

[10:45] You: ive lost many prims

[10:45] You: because someone logged in when i rezzed or changed

[10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: before the bugs were obvius - now they're getting complicated

[10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: okay, that's interesting

[10:45] Zha Ewry: OK, off to catch coffiee, prior to zero

[10:45] Neas Bade: I think one of the ways we need to address that is some cleaning of our existing structurs to make them easier to understand

[10:45] Zha Ewry: See some of you there, and I should be on iRC most of the time

[10:45] Hiro Protagonist: Thanks Zha!!

[10:45] BlueWall Slade: ThanZha

[10:45] Neas Bade: for instance, SOP has become an interesting beast :)

[10:45] G2 Proto: cya Zha

[10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: I'm surprised there is an effect - those guys are coming in on a completely different thread

[10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: neas: yes

[10:45] Dahlia Trimble: bye Zha :)

[10:46] Dr Scofield: locks?

[10:46] Adam Frisby: Oh random side task:

[10:46] Justin Clark-Casey: those classes need to be unbundled if possible, I think

[10:46] You: well i can tell you

[10:46] Adam Frisby: someone should fix upthe wikipedias page for OpenSim. ;)

[10:46] You: when im standing on Zaius Plaza

[10:46] RobinG2 Proto: bye Zha

[10:46] You: and someone logs in

[10:46] Neas Bade: I started changing setter/getter stuff to properties

[10:46] You: until they can move

[10:46] You: im frozen

[10:46] Hiro Protagonist: I'll have a look at that Adam

[10:46] Justin Clark-Casey: Dr Schofield: locks indeed :)

[10:46] Zha Ewry: Not laggy at all

[10:46] You: yea big fat locks

[10:46] Neas Bade: I was also thinking about encapsulating permissions in general to a framework object

[10:46] You: made of kryptonite

[10:46] Justin Clark-Casey: big fat fucking locks

[10:46] You: hehe

[10:46] Neas Bade: as I think that would help pull a lot of code out

[10:46] Neas Bade: of random places

[10:47] Teravus Ousley: Heh, I edit a wikipedia entry and every time.. someone reverts it back to what it was. I hate that because I tend to spend a lot of time getting references.

[10:47] Justin Clark-Casey: neas: sounds good

[10:47] Charles Krinkeb: Have we covered 0.6, testers helping developers & tester requests sufficiently for today?

[10:47] Neas Bade: things I'm finding while doing the rest of the nhibernate mappings

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[10:47] Neas Bade: anyway, need to run away a bit early today. Catch you all online

[10:47] You: ok Sean

[10:48] paulie Flomar: I'm off. Great meeting! Bye, everyone!

[10:48] You: i'll post this to the wiki

[10:48] You: the chat log

[10:48] Justin Clark-Casey: bye neas

[10:48] Neas Bade is Offline

[10:48] paulie Flomar waves bye

[10:48] Charles Krinkeb: I think we are trying to finish in 5 minutes at 12:45PM PDT

[10:48] Charles Krinkeb: Since we started early.

[10:48] paulie Flomar is Offline

[10:48] You: sure

[10:48] You: anyone who is interested in helping with the load test today

[10:48] Justin Clark-Casey: I keep forgetting the clock here is out of whack

[10:48] BlueWall Slade: yse good meeting

[10:48] Charles Krinkeb: Any other issues we need to bring up in the last 5 minutes?

[10:48] You: please keep checking the IRC

[10:48] Justin Clark-Casey is going to finally get omething to eat

[10:48] Adam Frisby: Yeah

[10:48] Aramis Soren: can do nebadon

[10:48] You: #opensim on irc.freenode.net

[10:49] Adam Frisby: I'm going to grab a snack then head to Zeros

[10:49] Adam Genkii is going to sleep

[10:49] Aramis Soren: slurl for Zero?

[10:49] Justin Clark-Casey: Adam Genkii: what time is it where you are?

[10:49] Teravus Ousley: Grasmere

[10:49] Adam Genkii: 4:42AM

[10:49] You: geez

[10:49] Justin Clark-Casey: sweet jesus

[10:49] Hiro Protagonist: See y'all at Zero's

[10:49] Adam Genkii: almost time to wake up

[10:49] Charles Krinkeb: My focus next week will be the same. In this order 1) Linden interop 2) 0.6 release, 3) Testers helping developers 4) Developers helping testers.

[10:49] Teravus Ousley: .. or Pooley Stage.. but..

[10:49] Justin Clark-Casey: Adam Genkii: heh

[10:49] G2 Proto: sounds great Charles

[10:49] Justin Clark-Casey: charle: eh? I never signed up for 4!

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: scandalous

[10:50] Hiro Protagonist waves

[10:50] You: lol

[10:50] Charles Krinkeb:

[10:50] G2 Proto: harumph

[10:50] Adam Frisby: Seeya folks

[10:50] G2 Proto: cya Adam

[10:50] Teravus Ousley: hpmurah

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: bye adan

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: adam

[10:50] Adam Genkii: Later all

[10:50] G2 Proto: im out too guys cya next time

[10:50] Chillken Proto: goodnight all

[10:50] Dr Scofield: time to have dinner

[10:50] Adam Genkii: good meeting

[10:50] You: ok, thanks everyone

[10:50] Dr Scofield: cya

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: bye adam, chillken, g2

[10:50] Charles Krinkeb: Thanks folks. Since we started the meeting significantly early, I am declaring the official meeting closed and informal discussions as anybody wishes.

[10:50] You: anyone has anything else they would like to discuss

[10:50] You: #opensim-dev

[10:50] Justin Clark-Casey: er, everybody

[10:51] You: is the place

[10:51] Teravus Ousley is Offline

[10:51] Teravus Ousley is Offline

[10:51] Dahlia Trimble heads to Zero's..... bye all :)

[10:51] RobinG2 Proto: bye guys heading out with G2 - catch you all soon

[10:51] You: bye dahlia

[10:51] Dahlia Trimble is Offline

[10:51] Dahlia Trimble is Offline

[10:51] Aramis Soren: link again for those who may have missed

[10:51] You: heh is ALbot Dahlias bot

[10:51] Aramis Soren: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Grid_Public_Beta

[10:51] You: lol

[10:51] Charles Krinkeb: Wow. The sim survived and didnt crash. I never would of believed it if I had not experienced it personally.

[10:51] You: yea

[10:51] Aramis Soren: woohoo

[10:51] You: i crashed once

[10:51] Kurt Stringer: Charles: just a request - if we start early in the future - can we change the time in IRC?

[10:51] You: but that was it