Chat log from the meeting on 2016-01-26

[11:06] Nebadon Izumi: hello [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon: wb, oh weary traveller. [11:06] Andrew Hellershanks grins [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: thanks :) [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: you might notice Wright Plaza has no nieghbors at the moment [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: found an odd bug [11:07] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: just for my knowledge, can everyone see my meshed avatar? if so, the bug is only relevant for 0.8.x <-> 0.9.x [11:08] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: seems to look fine [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: i see a Lion [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: :) [11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, looks good to me. [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec phone again grr, brb i'll explain why Wright Plaza has no neighbors [11:09] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: ok... then it seems that mesh objects are shown as mesh errors when hg users teleport between 0.8.x and 0.9.x [11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I seldom look at the map here so I wouldn't have noticed a lack of neighbours. [11:09] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: i came from 0.9.0 too [11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i have seen mesh error on sheera whjen i came in [11:10] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: sheera comes from the metropolis grid [11:10] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: i think they are using 0.8.x still? [11:10] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: thats the bug i mean :) [11:10] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: really annoying [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: the problem is DefaultDrawDistance is not being honored [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: I wonder if someone put out fresh donuts at thstart of this year. [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: I could see like 25+ regions at Wright Plaza [11:11] Chris.Weymann @grid.chris-weymann.de:8002: jup [11:11] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: yes i use 0.8.1.2 out of my mind [11:11] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: but nothing really problematic here because people will update to 0.9 someday :) [11:11] Chris.Weymann @grid.chris-weymann.de:8002: at me DefaultDrawDistance dont work too [11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: That is an odd bug, nebadon [11:12] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uh, funny indeed wright looks a bit alone [11:13] Kubwa.Kiume @kubwa.de:9000: oh, beside the neighbour bug... is it allready known the attached scripts arent running after hg teleport? [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: yea I spoke with Melanie and Misterblue [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: we are going to look harder at the problem later tonight [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: the problem was at the original WP plaza the viewer was crashing [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: too many regions i guess [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: we put a place holder region there called "Medusa" [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [11:15] Nebadon Izumi: if you go there your viewer will crash [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: if you have short draw distance like 256 or 512 it might not crash [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: i had my RenderFarClip set to 4096 [11:16] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hmm. something because var regions or ubit code ? [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: I have my draw distance usually set to < 256. [11:16] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: or avination ? [11:16] Nebadon Izumi: ya you might not crash then [11:16] Andrew Hellershanks: yup. 128m [11:16] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: this days i keep it most times prett pretty low [11:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Is the drawdistance bug new in 0.9 due to all the code changes or has it been around a while? [11:17] Nebadon Izumi: hey Robert :) [11:18] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi robert [11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Hey, Robert [11:18] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew. not sen problems before i can remember [11:18] Robert Adams: it must have been around a while... that code hasn't changed since the merge [11:18] Robert Adams: Hi all [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks: It makes it harder to summarize the code changes when the thing I report as fixed only broke due to the code merge. [11:19] Nebadon Izumi: not sure I have never really noticed it before [11:19] Andrew Hellershanks nods [11:20] Andrew Hellershanks: It the viewer draw limit was still honoured it might not have been noticed much before. [11:20] Nebadon Izumi: Ubit is actually responding now in the -core irc channel [11:20] Robert Adams: I'll have time.to look in a bit... probably the usual case of something unrelated changing and exposing a different problem [11:21] Seth.Nygard @refugegrid.com:8002: Hello everyone [11:21] Robert Adams: I'm not on irc... I'm attending here on my smartphone... [11:22] Kayaker Magic: brb changing viewers [11:23] Robert Adams: too bad lumiya stalled... it works pretty well on newer phones [11:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya Lumiya is pretty good on my Nvidia Shield [11:23] Nebadon Izumi: but no var support [11:23] Nebadon Izumi: means i basically never use it ever [11:24] Nebadon Izumi: all my sims are var now [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: Ubit is looking at code now I think [11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, there ws something fixed in master that I was supposed to find out about whether I could back port it to 0.8 (for my own copy of OS). [11:25] Nebadon Izumi: hopefully we can figure that one out, its wierd for sure [11:26] Andrew Hellershanks nods [11:28] Simulator Version v0.5 ruft: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev       66be755: 2016-01-20 06:35:53 -0800 (Unix/Mono) [11:28] Nebadon Izumi: so what else is going on I miss anything while I was in Sweden? [11:29] Andrew Hellershanks: Not much other than what was in the meeting notes from the last two. [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: yea I need to read those still [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: have not had a chance yet [11:29] Nebadon Izumi: maybe later I can take a peak [11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: um... I need to go afk for a bit. My cat is calling for me. As he has been ill for a while I need to see what he wants cause if it is food, I better give him some. He has hardly been eating much of late. [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: ok [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya sorry im quiet im chatting with Ubit on IRC too [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: about this bug [11:31] Robert Adams: it was pretty quite while you were gone [11:31] Nebadon Izumi: answering some questions for him [11:32] stiofain nbmcmedia: hi folks [11:32] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi stio [11:35] stiofain nbmcmedia: anyone else having probs with ppl tping in from 0.9 to 0.83 ? once we hit about 12 avs any new arrivals have terrible lag rezzing [11:35] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: there is no 0.8.3 [11:36] Nebadon Izumi: I have not noticed that myself stiofain [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: would probably need a bit more info to be of any help [11:37] stiofain nbmcmedia: http://danbanner.onikenkon.com/osgrid/osgrid-opensim-10212015.v0.8.3.41b2855.zip [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: mono ? windows? [11:37] stiofain nbmcmedia: win [11:37] Nebadon Izumi: k i dont do any windows testing anymore [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: 32bit? 64bit? [11:38] stiofain nbmcmedia: that was version dan recommended [11:38] stiofain nbmcmedia: 64 [11:38] Nebadon Izumi: hmm what kind of crash message anything like that? [11:39] stiofain nbmcmedia: we have had close to 40 at times with no probs but now 12 kills us - we have optimised lots of textures and dumped few 1000 prims and load of scripts but sti;; get exact same [11:40] Nebadon Izumi: wierd, is memory higher? [11:40] stiofain nbmcmedia: no messages it just slows rezz from few secxs to 30 mins for some [11:40] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm back. [11:41] stiofain nbmcmedia: is actually casias that runs the server but he isnt around [11:41] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Curious, why do you say from 0.9 how can you tell? [11:41] stiofain nbmcmedia: is making it imposs to have events [11:42] stiofain nbmcmedia: i been asking ppl whr they came from and how long rezz is [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: yea its hard to say [11:43] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: So, 12 visitors from 0.9 or just one and then the delays start? [11:43] Nebadon Izumi: I havent seen this kind of behavior, Id have to see what dan says about the Event Plaza [11:43] stiofain nbmcmedia: first 12 it doesnt matter whr they come from [11:43] Robert Adams: my first guess would be some baking problem if it is avatar rezzing [11:44] stiofain nbmcmedia: event plaza runs 0.9 tho? [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: I dont even know [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: let me look [11:44] Robert Adams: something else if region rezzing [11:44] stiofain nbmcmedia: i think it does [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: Version: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev 37cb24d: [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: is what its running [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: so what your saying is you dont want to run 0.9 yet? [11:44] Nebadon Izumi: and people coming from 0.9 are the problem? [11:45] stiofain nbmcmedia: and i think plazas are only places get similar numbers so nowhere really to compare [11:45] Robert Adams: is the rezzing problem the region for the new viewer or slow avatar de-clouding? [11:45] stiofain nbmcmedia: seems to be so neb [11:45] stiofain nbmcmedia: and yea dont want to run 9 [11:45] Nebadon Izumi: is there a reason you dont want to run 0.9? [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: seems the sane thing would be to upgrade heh [11:46] stiofain nbmcmedia: just others complaints [11:46] stiofain nbmcmedia: thot wud waait a while [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: so nothing you have experienced yourself? [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: honestly my recommendation is upgrade [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: and find out if things are broken for yourself [11:46] Nebadon Izumi: dont listen to other people complaining [11:46] stiofain nbmcmedia: yes i have jumperd to sandbox and bak took 30 mins to rezz [11:47] Seth.Nygard @refugegrid.com:8002: 0.9 has too many changes in behaviour compared to 0.8.2 which affects the user experience. I'm only running 0.9 on a couple of specific test Sandboxes for that very reason [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: ive not experienced anything even remotely like that [11:47] Nebadon Izumi: sounds like network or configuration issues [11:47] stiofain nbmcmedia: but when i first go with no one else there takes a few secs jusst [11:48] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Probably best not to jump to conclusions, but if people are to attempt to reproduce problems thay need specific details [11:48] Robert Adams: 30 minutes to rez the region or that long to rez just the avatar? [11:48] stiofain nbmcmedia: sorry robert is the building slow rezzing [11:49] Robert Adams: k... [11:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya seems very odd for sure, wonder if anyone else has experienced this as well [11:50] Robert Adams: moving between regions within the same grid? or is hypergrid involved? [11:50] stiofain nbmcmedia: anyone is welcome to have a look sundays at 2pm [11:50] stiofain nbmcmedia: is usually bout 1/3rd hgers [11:50] Nebadon Izumi: at OSCC we were running 0.8.3 [11:50] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: What would we see, most useful info would be on the region console, I would have thought [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: and had tons of 0.9 visitors from many grids [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: things seemed to hold up great, however it was on Linux using mono [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: so maybe something more related to .net perhaps [11:51] Nebadon Izumi: i dont even really have a good way to test with .net anymore [11:51] stiofain nbmcmedia: good to kno neb [11:51] stiofain nbmcmedia: that oscc was 8.3 i mean [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: yes the merge was still happening at that point [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: but OSgrid was already well into 0.9 [11:52] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Is this meeting recorded, if so where is it published? [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: we wanted to test out the release [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: we keep logs [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec [11:52] Nebadon Izumi: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Office_hours [11:53] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Much appreciated [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: no problem :) [11:53] stiofain nbmcmedia: i wud say a diff there is that oscc was on diff grid? [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: OSCC is its own grid yes [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: its a single server [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: runs the entire thing [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: robust and regions [11:53] Nebadon Izumi: 24 cpu cores and 64gb ram [11:54] Nebadon Izumi: it was running mono 4.0.4 [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: sorry im bouncing back and forth 2 screens talking to Ubit too [11:56] stiofain nbmcmedia: i been to other places with crowds on 8.2 / 8.3 but is no others on osg itself [11:56] stiofain nbmcmedia: lol me too neb [11:56] Robert Adams: could be things as odd as .net limitations on number of TCP connections or such [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: ya only thing I can really say at this point would to be atleast try 0.9 [11:56] Nebadon Izumi: just because someone else has problems doesnt mean you will [11:57] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: We have regions running on win 2012 server, nt seen any connection limits [11:57] Nebadon Izumi flüstert: 0.9 Elsa [11:57] Nebadon Izumi: ? [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: oops 0.9 Elsa? [11:58] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: win server is good [11:58] stiofain nbmcmedia: windows server 2012 R2 8 gigs memory 3 instances of os 1 standalone / single region with probs / 8 other regions with 3 nulls [11:58] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Tes all 0.9 [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: k thanks [11:58] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: But robust is on Linux [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: similar to OSgrid then [11:58] Nebadon Izumi: and stiofains case [11:59] stiofain nbmcmedia: intel xeon CPU E3-1220 V2 @ 3.10 GHZ [11:59] stiofain nbmcmedia: unlimited bwidth [11:59] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: I am testing Radegast on a win phone emulator.. So a bit slow responding [12:00] Nebadon Izumi: haha nice [12:00] Nebadon Izumi: you should be able to run C# natively on a windows phone i imagine [12:00] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Yes, windows 10 [12:01] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: some changes, like up the net to 4.6 [12:01] Nebadon Izumi: nice [12:01] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Am I rezzed? [12:01] lavender -pretty: lol [12:01] lavender -pretty: hello 10 [12:01] Windows 10: hi [12:01] lavender -pretty: lol [12:01] lavender -pretty: u startle me [12:01] lavender -pretty: LOL [12:02] Windows 10: sorry [12:02] lavender -pretty: no worries [12:02] Nebadon Izumi: lol [12:02] lavender -pretty: i thought i did somethign and got an attachment [12:02] lavender -pretty: lol [12:02] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: ha, that should not be the case [12:02] lavender -pretty: in away i did [12:02] lavender -pretty: lol [12:02] Seth.Nygard @refugegrid.com:8002: You appear rezzed fine for me Elsa [12:03] Windows 10 kommt in Chat-Reichweite (18.90 m). [12:03] Elsa.Maria @hg.viewtwo.net:8600: Thank you Seth [12:03] Nebadon Izumi: anyone have anymore questions? [12:03] Nebadon Izumi flüstert: need help? [12:03] Nebadon Izumi: lol Windows 10 avatar haha [12:04] stiofain nbmcmedia: ok thx for hints neb maybe somewill see write up and come along to region maritime club belfast sunday at 2 [12:05] Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye..