Chat log from the meeting on 2015-12-01

[2015/12/01 10:58] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello [2015/12/01 10:58] Shez Oyen: Rich :) [2015/12/01 10:58]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: aine that show's me mesh errors [2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: heh ya wierd you are up in the air [2015/12/01 10:58]  Shez Oyen: levitating [2015/12/01 10:58]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: :) [2015/12/01 10:58] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: no idea Rich [2015/12/01 10:58] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in SL people would go nuits now. PG and no clothing ! [2015/12/01 10:58] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya must be cached wierd here [2015/12/01 10:58] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i see Aine as triangles too [2015/12/01 10:58] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: pyramids, if we all see it probably region has something cached bad [2015/12/01 10:59] Shez Oyen: I see her bod (it's lovely) but no clothes, shoes or hair [2015/12/01 10:59] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002 sighs [2015/12/01 10:59] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: okay....have a great meeting [2015/12/01 10:59] Shez Oyen: awww [2015/12/01 11:00] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: not going to sit her naked [2015/12/01 11:00] Shez Oyen: try relogging? [2015/12/01 11:00] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: well, i see the hair. but clothing is ripped of in the transporter [2015/12/01 11:00] Shez Oyen: I doubt anyone would gripe [2015/12/01 11:00] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ -.- guten Morgen -.-  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [2015/12/01 11:00] Shez Oyen: LOL [2015/12/01 11:00] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi wolf [2015/12/01 11:00] Shez Oyen: Ola Wolf [2015/12/01 11:00] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: may be its tuesdey ? [2015/12/01 11:01] Shez Oyen: we can all get naked if it makes you more comfortable [2015/12/01 11:01] Shez Oyen: (teasing) [2015/12/01 11:01] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lol [2015/12/01 11:01] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I was just going to ask if anyone else who was using o.9.0 with Win10 was getting the vicious memory leaks I am....RAM use grows by about 100MB/minute until Windows switches into VR which is impossible [2015/12/01 11:01] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: but I'll just go home and let you all be productive [2015/12/01 11:01] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: are you running the very latest code? [2015/12/01 11:02] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: yes [2015/12/01 11:02] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: there was a point where maptile creation timer was hard coded [2015/12/01 11:02] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i imagine that could have been causing leaks [2015/12/01 11:02] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: within an hour it's using 16GB+ of ram [2015/12/01 11:02] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but if you are on the master code as of today then its probably not that [2015/12/01 11:02] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: no i have not seen or heard anyting like that Aine [2015/12/01 11:02] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: no, I didn't update today [2015/12/01 11:02] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: thats is odd [2015/12/01 11:03] Andrew Hellershanks is Online [2015/12/01 11:03] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it would have actually been in the last few days [2015/12/01 11:03] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: when was last time you updated? [2015/12/01 11:03] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: I reverted to 0.8.2 posefix and will just use that from now on [2015/12/01 11:03]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ineb i used 0.8.1 configs on 0.8.2 because the 0.8.2 i made gave me missing [sumulator] section but it where in all files [2015/12/01 11:03] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: *post [2015/12/01 11:03] Aine.Caoimhe @refugegrid.com:8002: have a good meeting eveyone [2015/12/01 11:03] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Richardus that is wierd for sure [2015/12/01 11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh, wow. This is interesting. I logged in to here instead of winding up at the front of the building as usually happens when I arrive in the grid. [2015/12/01 11:04] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya i had same thing happen when i relogged [2015/12/01 11:04] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Chat Bug is fixed !!! verry good [2015/12/01 11:04] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: guess the telehub functionality may have changed [2015/12/01 11:04] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Mabye i made error. someone told me use 0.8.1 what i where doing after failing. need to check it later again [2015/12/01 11:04] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: cool Wolf, i never did see that bug [2015/12/01 11:04] Andrew Hellershanks: Or the landing point setting has been lost. [2015/12/01 11:04] Shez Oyen: Andrew has an unrezzed skirt on [2015/12/01 11:05]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe it was a telehub though [2015/12/01 11:05] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: its was funny but not realy usefull [2015/12/01 11:05] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: or you know [2015/12/01 11:05] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe we dont use telehub here [2015/12/01 11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, not sure. [2015/12/01 11:05] Andrew Hellershanks: AFAICT, there is a landing point set for here. [2015/12/01 11:05] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: yea [2015/12/01 11:06] Andrew Hellershanks: np. Just saved me having to fly up here. :) [2015/12/01 11:06] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: I was hoping a few more people would show up today [2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so we could jump over to OSCC [2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: but with just us its not worth the effort [2015/12/01 11:06]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: landing pint works [2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive already had more people than this in trainings heh [2015/12/01 11:06]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah well [2015/12/01 11:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: I thought I had an account in the OSCC grid but I haven't been able to log in directly to that grid.. [2015/12/01 11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i can take a look [2015/12/01 11:07]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: 1 sec [2015/12/01 11:07]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: \it's quite yes [2015/12/01 11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok [2015/12/01 11:07]  Andrew Hellershanks: People still recovering from Black Friday and Cyber Monday? [2015/12/01 11:07] Shez Oyen: people are prb fried from traveling for holiday. [2015/12/01 11:07] Shez Oyen: jinx [2015/12/01 11:08] Andrew Hellershanks: Shez, nol quite. I said from shopping. you said travelling. :) [2015/12/01 11:08] Shez Oyen: :p [2015/12/01 11:08]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: i have a Tiki-Beachhouse_Mesh, verry nice, works well in 0.8.3 but now on 0.9.0 it has bad Physics [2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: haha ya maybe [2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: busy time of year [2015/12/01 11:08]  IM: Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. I forgot I had used that email addy. [2015/12/01 11:08]  IM: Andrew Hellershanks: ty [2015/12/01 11:08]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: well I dont have much to add, I am busy working on OSCC [2015/12/01 11:09]  Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        d952b26: 2015-11-29 18:28:14 +0000 (Unix/Mono) [2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 [2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you want to hop over and explore sometime [2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: just type "oscc" on the map once you arrive [2015/12/01 11:09] Andrew Hellershanks: I've been dealing with DB backups the last week or two. [2015/12/01 11:09] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you can see all of the locations [2015/12/01 11:09] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: #- OK ! -# [2015/12/01 11:09] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Kayaker [2015/12/01 11:09] Kayaker Magic: Hey! I came back where I left from instead of appearing at the hub! [2015/12/01 11:09] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah cool some more people showing up [2015/12/01 11:09]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: maybe if some more show up we can jump over in a bit [2015/12/01 11:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Kayaker, I said the same thing. [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see how a mass teleport does [2015/12/01 11:10] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: darn things are slow to rez here today [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: be nice to have like 10 or so people all jump to OSCC Keynote 1 at once [2015/12/01 11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hold on, need to adjust the link [2015/12/01 11:10] Kayaker Magic: Rezzing is pretty fast forme! [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya not yet [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in a bit [2015/12/01 11:10] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: http is wrong [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: lets wait another 20 minutes or so see who shows up [2015/12/01 11:10]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ok, got it in map [2015/12/01 11:10] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: when we do eventually HG over [2015/12/01 11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: I have LM's for oscc. [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it will be to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1" [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: landmarks from last year will not work [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we renamed everything to have OSCC in the name [2015/12/01 11:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Oh. :P [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so you can just type "oscc" on the map and find everything [2015/12/01 11:11] Shez Oyen: Hi Shy :) [2015/12/01 11:11]  Shy Robbiani: hello all :) [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya last year it was just "Keynote 1" this year its "OSCC Keynote 1" [2015/12/01 11:11] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: etc.. [2015/12/01 11:12] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: actually we did it for opensimworld.com listings [2015/12/01 11:12] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: since "Keynote 1" was not very descriptive [2015/12/01 11:12] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: as a title for our pages etc.. [2015/12/01 11:12] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1 [2015/12/01 11:12] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: oh sorry [2015/12/01 11:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Properties for the LM says Keynote 1 @ http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 [2015/12/01 11:12] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ya that will fail [2015/12/01 11:12] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002 [2015/12/01 11:12] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you would either not make or end up on a landing zone probably [2015/12/01 11:13] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: probably not make it since it will say region doesnt exist [2015/12/01 11:13] Andrew Hellershanks nods [2015/12/01 11:13] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, that is just a description field too so my changing that won't make any difference [2015/12/01 11:13] Kayaker Magic: What is the syntax for those links? Remove the " characters, keep all the spaces? [2015/12/01 11:13] Sarah Kline is Online [2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1 [2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: gha [2015/12/01 11:14]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 <==that's the form i always use [2015/12/01 11:14]  Hans Nerido is Offline [2015/12/01 11:14]  Andrew Hellershanks: That second : should probably be a / [2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: for pasting in the world map or passing to osTeleportAgent [2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Andrew: nope, : works fine, / messes things up for me [2015/12/01 11:15]  Hans Nerido is Online [2015/12/01 11:15]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, but it is a URL [2015/12/01 11:15]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: is also the format used by opensimworld.com btw, with : instead of / [2015/12/01 11:15] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: nah it's not a url if it hasn't a protocol in front of it :) [2015/12/01 11:15]  Kayaker Magic: ...8002 oscc keynote 1 Finds it on the map for me. [2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: type this next line exactly in map search with the " and all [2015/12/01 11:16]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i guess opensim just doesn't care if it is :, /, space or whatever :) [2015/12/01 11:16]  Andrew Hellershanks: Also found it with -> 8002/ oscc ... for me. [2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1" [2015/12/01 11:16]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Neb, i still have some object a tree with floting felxi error. not want to delete the tree mabye i can remove the fexi to fix it [2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ into map search [2015/12/01 11:16] Kayaker Magic: MICROPHONE OFF! [2015/12/01 11:16] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah that one didn't work for me (with http and / "... [2015/12/01 11:16]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Also wish opensim fixt automatical http:\\ errors [2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: Richardus i bet if you just unlink and relink it [2015/12/01 11:16]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: it might fix it [2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hard to say [2015/12/01 11:17]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Aha. unlink and link. thanks i tried to take and rezz it [2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: depends on how broken it is [2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive seen that work in various instances with the flexi error though [2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: its a xml error right? [2015/12/01 11:17]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: serialization or something? [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: sometimes just toggling a flag will fix it too [2015/12/01 11:18] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: no some floating poin t error from 7 years ago. , vs. sofar i see and remember [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: like make the object copy [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: then uncheck copy [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ah hmm that might be more difficult then [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that may be a serialization format we dont support [2015/12/01 11:18] Kayaker Magic: SOMEONE HAS A MICROPHONE ON! [2015/12/01 11:18] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: one that was short lived or produced as a result of a bug [2015/12/01 11:18] Andrew Hellershanks: I've got my cat calling for me and some other RL thing happening here. I'll bbiab. [2015/12/01 11:18] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: "still not suppoort" :O [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: we cant really support broken formats [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: try unnlinking it though [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: see what happens [2015/12/01 11:19] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lol, the broken format broke things [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you might get lucky [2015/12/01 11:19] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i try a copy or unlink and link [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you could also try export it from viewer [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: with the export functions [2015/12/01 11:19] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: then reimport it [2015/12/01 11:19]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: that may filter out bad stuff [2015/12/01 11:19] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: other option to try [2015/12/01 11:20] Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:20] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: oar is not filterinmg it out. [2015/12/01 11:20] Hans Nerido is Offline [2015/12/01 11:21] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i go try it after meeting [2015/12/01 11:21] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: k cool [2015/12/01 11:21] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ive been spreading word about quick load test in 10 minutes [2015/12/01 11:21] Hans Nerido is Online [2015/12/01 11:21] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: if you are just getting here [2015/12/01 11:22] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: i would like us all to teleport relatively simulatanously over to OSCC grid [2015/12/01 11:22] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: so if you can ping anyone please do [2015/12/01 11:22]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:22] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: more the merrier [2015/12/01 11:22] Kayaker Magic: I have to get ready for an RL meeting but will wait and join the load test before I go. [2015/12/01 11:23] [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: [2:20:36 PM] nebadon2025: in a few moments will be conducting an impromptu load test [2:20:48 PM] nebadon2025: it will be lightly attended maybe have like 12 people right now or so [2:20:59 PM] nebadon2025: trying to gather up a few more [2:21:03 PM] nebadon2025: in about 10 minutes on OSCC Keynote 1 [2:21:05 PM] nebadon2025: if you can [2015/12/01 11:23] [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: HG to > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1" [2015/12/01 11:23] [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: test will start in 7 minutes [2015/12/01 11:23] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: ok cool [2015/12/01 11:23] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: in just a few minutes we will [2015/12/01 11:24] [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Aussie Envee: ok [2015/12/01 11:24]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:24] [OSGrid Town Hall Meeting] Nebadon Izumi: thanks :) [2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: spamming spamming spamming, let's see if anyone bites :) [2015/12/01 11:25] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hehe ya [2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: im hitting up all the channels [2015/12/01 11:25] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Tom [2015/12/01 11:25] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm back [2015/12/01 11:25] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: wb :) [2015/12/01 11:25]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: waves hello to Nebadon [2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: ah! one bite already :) hey Isis :) [2015/12/01 11:25]  Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: hello Isis [2015/12/01 11:25]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:25]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Hi Kered! thanks for coming over too :) [2015/12/01 11:25] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: everyone down at landing zone we are going to do a load test in a minute [2015/12/01 11:25] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Kered, hi Timothy [2015/12/01 11:26] Nebadon.Izumi @hg.osgrid.org: you are welcome to join us :) [2015/12/01 11:26]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: Hi All [2015/12/01 11:26]  Timothy.Hoxley @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: hello, I am currently headless [2015/12/01 11:26]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: hi [2015/12/01 11:26]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: what's in a head anyway :) [2015/12/01 11:26] Timothy.Hoxley @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: my head has been lost in the abyss that is the hypergrid void [2015/12/01 11:26] Nebadon Izumi: Nearly Headless Tim [2015/12/01 11:26] Nebadon Izumi: :) [2015/12/01 11:26]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Shy [2015/12/01 11:26]  Nebadon Izumi: sorry i watched harry potter yesterday lol [2015/12/01 11:26]  Shy Robbiani: I was too fast :) [2015/12/01 11:26] Joe Radik: Do you want us to bring more than one avatar if available? [2015/12/01 11:27] Cuteulala Artis is Offline [2015/12/01 11:27] Nebadon Izumi: sure [2015/12/01 11:27] Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:27] Nebadon Izumi: if you can [2015/12/01 11:27] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: now i can ride a jetsky from est to west on my Grid...3Km far...lol#...its great^^ [2015/12/01 11:27] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hi Wolf [2015/12/01 11:27] Andrew Hellershanks: oh, I can do that by logging in to another grid first. [2015/12/01 11:27] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i've posted on g+ as well about the load test.. [2015/12/01 11:27] Kayaker Magic: Friend of mine made a Halloween costume this year that was a transparent mask to hide her head, and a neck prim that squirted out blood particles. [2015/12/01 11:27] Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: are we testing here or elsewhere [2015/12/01 11:28] Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: I can probabally getb a few more avatars [2015/12/01 11:28] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Kered: we will all jump over to cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 when Neb says 'jump' :) [2015/12/01 11:28]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I can bring my osgrid avatar, not sure if that heps [2015/12/01 11:28]  Mojo Risin is Online [2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: sure [2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: bring as many avatars as you can [2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: im loggin in an alt here now [2015/12/01 11:28]  Cuteulala Artis is Offline [2015/12/01 11:28]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:28]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: jump to Conference ??? [2015/12/01 11:28]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Tom that is HG addy? [2015/12/01 11:28]  Nebadon Izumi: 1 second [2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: let me get my alt here [2015/12/01 11:29]  Nebadon Izumi: then we can start a count down timer [2015/12/01 11:29] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ  haha - LOL  Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [2015/12/01 11:29] Nebadon Izumi: id like us to jump as closely as possible [2015/12/01 11:29] Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Hello Mojo Risin, enjoy your sit.. [2015/12/01 11:29] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: me too [2015/12/01 11:29] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hi Neovo :) [2015/12/01 11:29]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: This is a familiar place... :-) [2015/12/01 11:29] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002 right ? [2015/12/01 11:29] Nebadon Izumi: ok everyone get your map ready [2015/12/01 11:29] Cuteulala Artis is Online [2015/12/01 11:29] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Neovo: we will all jump over to cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 when Neb says 'jump' :) [2015/12/01 11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: in map search box type the following > http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002 "OSCC Keynote 1" [2015/12/01 11:30]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:30]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: http://cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1 seems betetr [2015/12/01 11:30]  Kayaker Magic: I have my Kitely avatar ready to jump from there. [2015/12/01 11:30]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: am bringing my alt here too [2015/12/01 11:30]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: some one standing on my Internet - lan its getting slow [2015/12/01 11:30]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: shit [2015/12/01 11:30]  Nebadon Izumi: :) [2015/12/01 11:31] Nebadon Izumi: is everyone ready? [2015/12/01 11:31] Kayaker Magic: y [2015/12/01 11:31]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: http:// wont work for me in singularity [2015/12/01 11:31] Shy Robbiani: yes [2015/12/01 11:31] Nebadon Izumi: k try without the http [2015/12/01 11:31] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: remove http and paste it in map search [2015/12/01 11:31] Kered Rickena: can I have the jamp address [2015/12/01 11:31] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Isis: try cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 [2015/12/01 11:31] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok got hg [2015/12/01 11:31]  Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: destination ?? [2015/12/01 11:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya wierd some viewers that works some it doesnt [2015/12/01 11:31] Shy Robbiani: or simply cc.opensimulator.org:8002 [2015/12/01 11:31] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Ready... [2015/12/01 11:31] Nebadon Izumi: ok most everyone ready to go? [2015/12/01 11:31] Andrew Hellershanks: Just getting ready. [2015/12/01 11:31] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: shy: that won't get you to keynote 1, right? [2015/12/01 11:31] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.9.0.0 Dev        d952b26: 2015-11-29 18:28:14 +0000 (Unix/Mono) [2015/12/01 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: ok 1 more minute [2015/12/01 11:32] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i'm ready.. [2015/12/01 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: then we will go [2015/12/01 11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: I have to C&P the info [2015/12/01 11:32] Shy Robbiani: hmmm... cant find oscc [2015/12/01 11:32] Nebadon Izumi: Andrew say when you are ready [2015/12/01 11:32] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002/ oscc keynote 1 [2015/12/01 11:32] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: shy: 'oscc keynote 1' not just 'oscc' :) [2015/12/01 11:32]  Kayaker Magic: I almost jumped when the Simulator Version prim shouted at me! [2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uhh no [2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: cc.opensimulator.org:8002:oscc keynote 1 [2015/12/01 11:32]  Shy Robbiani: ok... got it [2015/12/01 11:32]  harrit.vanbeek @grid.your2live.com:8002: hi all [2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: that one works [2015/12/01 11:32]  Andrew Hellershanks: Using : and no spaces in the destination doesn't work [2015/12/01 11:32]  Ubit Umarov is Online [2015/12/01 11:32]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: ready [2015/12/01 11:33]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hey Neovo [2015/12/01 11:33]  Shy Robbiani: ready [2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: K antyone not ready? [2015/12/01 11:33] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Ready... [2015/12/01 11:33] Nebadon Izumi: ok lets do it [2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebadon Izumi: see you there [2015/12/01 11:33] Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: can't use it [2015/12/01 11:33]  Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye.. [2015/12/01 11:33] Nebs Metal Bar Stool v1.5 (w/sit & launch): Goodbye.. [2015/12/01 11:33] Teleport completed from https://osgrid/region/Wright%20Plaza/147/151/33 [2015/12/01 11:34] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lalal [2015/12/01 11:34] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [2015/12/01 11:34] Connected [2015/12/01 11:34] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: frozen [2015/12/01 11:34] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: there we go [2015/12/01 11:34]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: w00t [2015/12/01 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: Nice! [2015/12/01 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: that was smooth for me [2015/12/01 11:34]  Samuel Greenway gave you HG MOTOPOLIS OPENSIM SPEEDWAY, OSGrandPrix (1194, 385, 21). [2015/12/01 11:34] Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: it's dark in here [2015/12/01 11:34] Joe Radik: I thought it was smooth [2015/12/01 11:34] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah, just a few seconds of not being able to adjust movement [2015/12/01 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: dark? [2015/12/01 11:34] Nebadon Izumi: seems ok to me [2015/12/01 11:34]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it woirked fine for me [2015/12/01 11:34]  Shy Robbiani: <- feels like sent back to 2007 :) [2015/12/01 11:34]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: yeah, it;s the middleo f the night [2015/12/01 11:34]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe give it a minute to settle, but mass teleport [2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: ah make sure you have Region WL enabled [2015/12/01 11:35]  Nebadon Izumi: in the windlight panel o toolbar [2015/12/01 11:35]  Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: where [2015/12/01 11:35]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: andrew: using : and no space worked perfectly for me :) [2015/12/01 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: in singularity/replex its bottom right corner [2015/12/01 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: the very last up/down arror menu [2015/12/01 11:35] Kayaker.Magic @grid.kitely.com:8002: My OSGrid avatar could not move, then got logged out [2015/12/01 11:35] Nebadon Izumi: where you adjust windlight settings [2015/12/01 11:36] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in singulairy i use the quickstart bototm right. [2015/12/01 11:36] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: server side is always a gamble [2015/12/01 11:37] Nebadon Izumi: any luck Crista? [2015/12/01 11:37] Andrew Hellershanks: The viewer is slow [2015/12/01 11:37] Mal Burns: smooth here [2015/12/01 11:37] Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: I clicked "Revert to region default" [2015/12/01 11:38] LioneLL Narada: drink [2015/12/01 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: did that work? [2015/12/01 11:38] Samuel Greenway his computer cries as he runs 3 viewers [2015/12/01 11:38] Crista.Lopes @nile.ics.uci.edu:9000: yes [2015/12/01 11:38] Nebadon Izumi: nice [2015/12/01 11:38] Frans Charming: :) [2015/12/01 11:38]  LioneLL Narada: stop [2015/12/01 11:39]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: doesn't feel laggy at all [2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: I got a slight moment of lag [2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: but nothing horrible [2015/12/01 11:39]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah a bit when i arrived, but not after that.. [2015/12/01 11:39]  Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: Runs pretty well!!! [2015/12/01 11:39]  Nebadon Izumi: yes great load test [2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: a lot more showed up than i expect [2015/12/01 11:40]  Nebadon Izumi: this is great [2015/12/01 11:40]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hello mal & alan :) [2015/12/01 11:40] Nebadon Izumi: 27 [2015/12/01 11:40] Nebadon Izumi: MEMORY STATISTICS Heap allocated to OpenSim : 201 MB Last heap allocation rate : 1.324 MB/s Average heap allocation rate: 7.854 MB/s Process memory : 615 MB [2015/12/01 11:40] Nebadon Izumi: :) nice [2015/12/01 11:40]  Mal Burns: Hi Tom [2015/12/01 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: console looks great too [2015/12/01 11:41]  Nebadon Izumi: no errors really [2015/12/01 11:42]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: lots of Unknown UserUMMAU42 but that's normal :) [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: I dont see any [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: that will vary from person to person [2015/12/01 11:42] Neovo.Geesink @hypergrid.org:8002: The running around of Nebadon allso looks smooth. [2015/12/01 11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: avatar #2 [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: depending on where they have visited [2015/12/01 11:42] Samuel Greenway: I dont see any unknowns [2015/12/01 11:42] Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: none for me here [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: if you clear cache it will go away [2015/12/01 11:42] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Isis had trouble getting over here when we all jumped at the same time [2015/12/01 11:42] Frans Charming: only got 3 [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya i dont see a single unknown myself [2015/12/01 11:42] Andrew Hellershanks: Do I dare see if I can handle 3? [2015/12/01 11:42] Nebadon Izumi: the more you HG [2015/12/01 11:42]  Nebadon Izumi: the worse the unknown issue becomes [2015/12/01 11:42] Frans Charming nods [2015/12/01 11:43] Wolf.Freeman @free-world.spdns.de:8002: o(‧'''‧)o ooh Mann ! o(‧'''‧)o [2015/12/01 11:43] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: I HG a lot [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: if you are a hard core traveler it will be way worse for you [2015/12/01 11:43] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: lol, that dance fit with the music on my radio [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: until you clear cache [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: haha [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: i think my radio is playing here [2015/12/01 11:43] Shy Robbiani: yes, it's strange... my Metropolis avi was Unknown UserUMMAU42 too$ [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: if you want to tune in [2015/12/01 11:43]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i have other station up [2015/12/01 11:43]  Kered.Owl @grid.3rdrockgrid.com:8002: one of my avies is not seeing the seats [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: ah no its not [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: they changed it probably for testing [2015/12/01 11:43] Nebadon Izumi: i better leave it alone :) [2015/12/01 11:43]  Frans Charming: is the unkown Ummau a viewer variable? Would think so? [2015/12/01 11:44]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: what cache do i need to clean to get rid of those unknowns? is that 'Clear Browser Cache' in network&files (fs) ? [2015/12/01 11:44]  Frans Charming: wondering if we they can be persuaded to actually use a new number for each unknown usesr [2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: frans can you pass me a presenter hud? [2015/12/01 11:45]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, 3 me's. That is about as much as I'll try to handle with his machine. [2015/12/01 11:45]  Frans Charming: sure [2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: assuming im on the list to use it :) [2015/12/01 11:45] Frans Charming gave you 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME. [2015/12/01 11:45] Frans Charming: adding you now. [2015/12/01 11:45] Nebadon Izumi: thanks :) [2015/12/01 11:45]  Nebadon Izumi: i just want to test it with some load [2015/12/01 11:46]  Frans Charming: should work now [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: ah crap [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: im in my HG user [2015/12/01 11:46]  Frans Charming: Yea [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: no ownder i couldnt find the hud [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: lolz [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: you added this guy? [2015/12/01 11:46]  Nebadon Izumi: oh [2015/12/01 11:47]  Frans Charming: can remove him again [2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: im not in the group [2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: im not in presenters group [2015/12/01 11:47]  Nebadon Izumi: send me an invite? [2015/12/01 11:47]  You have been added to the group. [2015/12/01 11:47]  Frans Charming: Yup just did [2015/12/01 11:47]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:47] Nebadon Izumi: ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again [2015/12/01 11:47] Mal Burns: wont work even then Neb without local account perms [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:47] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:48] Andrew Hellershanks: My camera view seems locked on the screen at the back of the stage [2015/12/01 11:48] Nebadon Izumi: really? [2015/12/01 11:48] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: it's locked for every chair unless you cam it away [2015/12/01 11:48] Nebadon Izumi: where are you sitting? [2015/12/01 11:49] Shez Oyen: first unknown user [2015/12/01 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: hmm MOAP isnt working for me [2015/12/01 11:49]  Andrew Hellershanks: ok, got i altered. Hitting esc seems to default to seeing that display board [2015/12/01 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: wonder why [2015/12/01 11:49] Mal Burns: stand and sit again - should fix [2015/12/01 11:49] Nebadon Izumi: is anyone else seeing video play on the screen? [2015/12/01 11:49] Frans Charming: white screen [2015/12/01 11:49] Shez Oyen: yes, white screen [2015/12/01 11:49] Andrew Hellershanks: sheesh. Firestorm crashed just switching between copies of it. [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: http://ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4 [2015/12/01 11:50] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video is active in my viewer, but video icon is greyed out [2015/12/01 11:50] Mal Burns: same here [2015/12/01 11:50] Mal Burns: back to slides now [2015/12/01 11:50] Shez Oyen: working now [2015/12/01 11:50] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see sliedes [2015/12/01 11:50] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: Yes I see it [2015/12/01 11:50]  Shez Oyen: yes [2015/12/01 11:50] Andrew Hellershanks: I see slides [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&amp;vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0; [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&amp;vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0; [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again [2015/12/01 11:50] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&amp;vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0; [2015/12/01 11:50] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: ah you made it Isis! [2015/12/01 11:50] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: yes, Tom, after I lost Harrit poor guy lol [2015/12/01 11:50] Frans Charming: He Man [2015/12/01 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: now i see video but no audio [2015/12/01 11:50] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [2015/12/01 11:51] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: video [2015/12/01 11:51] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: and audio [2015/12/01 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: k [2015/12/01 11:51]  Nebadon Izumi: wierd i dont have audio [2015/12/01 11:51] Nebadon Izumi: maybe i dont have flash installed [2015/12/01 11:51] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: video ain't working for me, but that never has worked.. being on 64bit linux makes you a bit of a paria media-wise in the metaverse [2015/12/01 11:51] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video or audio are those things that suddendly wont work when HG tp [2015/12/01 11:51]  Frans Charming: We use web on a prim here. [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture [2015/12/01 11:52] Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:52] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I have newest Flash, and I can see video in my home grid [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZZ5LpwO-An4?rel=0&amp;vq=autoplay=1;fs=0;autohide=0;hd=0; [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture [2015/12/01 11:52] Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed NO. [2015/12/01 11:52]  2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:52] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: web on a prim stopped working on my regions [2015/12/01 11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: Stupid firestorm viewer keeps crashing on me. [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:52] Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again [2015/12/01 11:52] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:52] Andrew Hellershanks: I'll have to stick to just one avatar. [2015/12/01 11:52] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: click it dont jump on it [2015/12/01 11:52]  Nebadon Izumi: oh i hear audio [2015/12/01 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: its just so low [2015/12/01 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: i couldnt hear it [2015/12/01 11:53]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ohhh wow finally I see video [2015/12/01 11:53] Andrew Hellershanks: Audiol? [2015/12/01 11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: uhh,m i have no video tom activate [2015/12/01 11:53] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: very soft though [2015/12/01 11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: \audi i can turn on [2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: video works good here.. also audio [2015/12/01 11:53] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah i see youtube, but the spinner just locks up.. [2015/12/01 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: I think Replex cant hear MOAP very far [2015/12/01 11:53] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: but sounds dead [2015/12/01 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: other viewrs its better [2015/12/01 11:53] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: don't worry about it.. i've given up on seeing video in the metaverse a long time ago :) [2015/12/01 11:53] Nebadon Izumi: zoom in closer [2015/12/01 11:53]  Andrew Hellershanks: yea, spinner is locked for me [2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: I'm using Sing [2015/12/01 11:53]  Nebadon Izumi: i can imagine in linux this wont work well [2015/12/01 11:53]  Shez Oyen: it works good [2015/12/01 11:54]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: i use windows. [2015/12/01 11:54]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon true, singularity / replex need to go very close to the screen [2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: yea very odd [2015/12/01 11:54]  Shez Oyen: (windows) [2015/12/01 11:54]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: youtube works fine in a normal browser, but somehow not in viewers [2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: Firestorm does MOAP 1000 times better [2015/12/01 11:54]  Nebadon Izumi: the fall off in Singularity is horrible [2015/12/01 11:54] Nebadon Izumi: its like 10m [2015/12/01 11:54] Nebadon Izumi: maybe 20 tops [2015/12/01 11:54] Andrew Hellershanks: Does this mean I won't be able to see anything other than slides this year. [2015/12/01 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: we will stream it too [2015/12/01 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: if you cant see it in world [2015/12/01 11:55] Garry.Beaumont @hg.osgrid.org: got to be on stage to hear it [2015/12/01 11:55]  Nebadon Izumi: we are streaming to Ustream [2015/12/01 11:55] Nebadon Izumi: or equivalent [2015/12/01 11:55] Shy Robbiani: I didn't know that's such a big difference [2015/12/01 11:55] Frans Charming: The presenter system shares the url in chat, so you can just click them and open in browser [2015/12/01 11:55] Andrew Hellershanks: What format is the stream/video in that is on that screen? [2015/12/01 11:55] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Video media in SL and opensi m is always a drama. nothing new [2015/12/01 11:55] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yeah i clicked the link earlier, worked fine in the browser [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Do you want to remove the current URL? Click on Yes or No on your HUD. Also click No if you want to add a texture [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: You pressed YES and we removed the following URL: [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Paste a URL in local chat, within the next 30 seconds. [2015/12/01 11:56] Nebadon Izumi: https://goo.gl/J9UhoC [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: The following URL was added to your presentation: https://goo.gl/J9UhoC [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: If this is incorrect, please click the URL button again [2015/12/01 11:56] 2015 AvaCon Presenter HUD 0.1 - R CLICK WEAR ME: Screen set to: https://goo.gl/J9UhoC [2015/12/01 11:56] Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: in browser works [2015/12/01 11:56] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: i guess i could spend 48 hours debugging why video doesn't work in my viewer, so far i didn't bother, not worth it :) [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: we usually dont have a lot of video [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: so you probably wont miss much, hopefully [2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see that phantastic graphic, the devs working on opensim [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: we are recording everything [2015/12/01 11:57]  Andrew Hellershanks: https://goo.gl/S2MCf4 is working for me using Opera under Linux. [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: so worst case you can always catch something on the archives [2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: video I mean [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: yes thats not suprisiung Andrew [2015/12/01 11:57]  Nebadon Izumi: this is youtube [2015/12/01 11:57]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I see it well [2015/12/01 11:57] Andrew Hellershanks: yea, MOAP isn't working in Firestorm. [2015/12/01 11:57] Shy Robbiani: does that simulation work again? [2015/12/01 11:57] Nebadon Izumi: i just goo.gl becuase the urls are long and dont work as hyperlinks [2015/12/01 11:58] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: if there's any video, i'll have the ustream within a mouseclick away :) [2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: yes there are alternative ways which is good [2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: there mght even be 2 different streams going [2015/12/01 11:58]  Nebadon Izumi: on different services, im not sure [2015/12/01 11:58]  Andrew Hellershanks: Both video links work fine in Opera. [2015/12/01 11:58]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: oooh one Unkown UserUMMAU42 just became Nebadon.Izumi :) [2015/12/01 11:58] Nebadon Izumi: if there is a video someone is playing on youtube, im sure they will paste the link in chat as well [2015/12/01 11:58] Nebadon Izumi: we wll try to get moderators to do that [2015/12/01 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: cool glad stuff is working well [2015/12/01 11:59] Nebadon Izumi: let me look at region stats [2015/12/01 12:00] Nebadon Izumi: MEMORY STATISTICS Heap allocated to OpenSim : 220 MB Last heap allocation rate : 0.074 MB/s Average heap allocation rate: 0.267 MB/s Process memory : 774 MB [2015/12/01 12:00] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: there are only 22 avatars [2015/12/01 12:00] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: not many, guess the conference will host many more? [2015/12/01 12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: I've seen movies in a viewer using Singularity. Never tried with FS before. [2015/12/01 12:00] Nebadon Izumi: yes thats ok [2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: i was mostly testing the Mass teleport [2015/12/01 12:00] Andrew Hellershanks: Seems that doesn't work in FS [2015/12/01 12:00]  Nebadon Izumi: we had like 12 or so people teleport almost simulatously [2015/12/01 12:00] Nebadon Izumi: that was great [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: not even a slgith hiccup really [2015/12/01 12:01] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Nebadon: seems Isis got stuck in the void when we all jumped though [2015/12/01 12:01] Andrew Hellershanks: No login lag? [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: well thats bound to happen occasioualy [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: its never going to be perfect [2015/12/01 12:01] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yep.. [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: the sim stayed up that is important [2015/12/01 12:01] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon while teleporting from osgrid, after you all had left. I hang in TP, then I landed in the Limbo, had to shutz down [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: ok [2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: ya there are many factors [2015/12/01 12:01] Nebadon Izumi: if i recall you just got to WP [2015/12/01 12:01]  Nebadon Izumi: probably why [2015/12/01 12:02] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: shut down with the Taskmanager [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: you didnt wait there long enough for it to settle your connection [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: so it probably hung [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: WP is a nasty affair [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: its very heavy on content [2015/12/01 12:02] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok [2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: 4000+ visible textures [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: if you dont wait for things to settle before jumping out [2015/12/01 12:02] Nebadon Izumi: you will almost certain fail [2015/12/01 12:02] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: kk [2015/12/01 12:02]  Nebadon Izumi: but we Keep WP heavy for that reason [2015/12/01 12:03] Nebadon Izumi: why we have meetings in possibly the worst place to haev meetings [2015/12/01 12:03] Nebadon Izumi: its a great test [2015/12/01 12:03] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: :) [2015/12/01 12:03]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: and it's running 0.9.0.0 dev [2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: yep [2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: finally got past that hurdle [2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: I am excited [2015/12/01 12:03]  Nebadon Izumi: OSCC is going to be a lot of fun [2015/12/01 12:04]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: hope so :) [2015/12/01 12:04] Nebadon Izumi: I think we can call this test a wrap if anyone needs to head out [2015/12/01 12:04] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Nebadon now that I have you here. If I want to submit Mantis, bugs leaving HG groups, is that Simulator issue? Dev code? I never know which cagetofy [2015/12/01 12:04] Nebadon Izumi: i dont want to hold you up [2015/12/01 12:04]  Nebadon Izumi: core groups? [2015/12/01 12:04] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: and seems to me devs wotn put much attention if wrong category [2015/12/01 12:04] Nebadon Izumi: yes if its core groups select core opensim [2015/12/01 12:05] Nebadon Izumi: and thats not generally true [2015/12/01 12:05] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok thanks Neb [2015/12/01 12:05] Nebadon Izumi: devs look at stuff that either interest them or directly effect them [2015/12/01 12:05] Nebadon Izumi: dont take lack of looking as its never getting fixed [2015/12/01 12:05] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hehe well from past experiences :) [2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: if it sits too long poke me [2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: ok [2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: and i will put on my sharp metal dev poking glove [2015/12/01 12:05]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [2015/12/01 12:05]  Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, what's the problem with core groups? [2015/12/01 12:05]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hahaha good, cuz I dont dare to poke them lol [2015/12/01 12:06]  Andrew Hellershanks: oh, HG groups. [2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: yes i have always volunteered that those who are unsure about dealing with core devs [2015/12/01 12:06]  Nebadon Izumi: please just come to me first [2015/12/01 12:06]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: yes, not possible to leave a HG group, except if owner deletes first, then you can leave it [2015/12/01 12:06]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: the core dev whisperer :) [2015/12/01 12:06] Nebadon Izumi: and let me be the interface for the devs [2015/12/01 12:06] Nebadon Izumi: haha [2015/12/01 12:06] Nebadon Izumi: its really why I am a core developer [2015/12/01 12:06] Nebadon Izumi: its not because im a good programmer on any level [2015/12/01 12:07] Nebadon Izumi: im the least knowledgable programmer on the team [2015/12/01 12:07] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Is there ever going to be a time when opensim accepts donations? [2015/12/01 12:07] Nebadon Izumi: maybe Samuel, but not right now [2015/12/01 12:07] Lyr Lobo smiles [2015/12/01 12:07] Andrew Hellershanks: I'm a core developer but I don't usually have any real interest in HG. [2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: we are in a very transitional stage [2015/12/01 12:07] Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Samuel: define 'opensim' :) [2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: we just dont haev the time required right now to do the paperwork [2015/12/01 12:07]  Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org worry with about the bug that makes tom.frost move like that [2015/12/01 12:07]  Nebadon Izumi: I have someone who is though [2015/12/01 12:07]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: opensimulator.org the project [2015/12/01 12:07]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: lol Ubit :) [2015/12/01 12:07] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew probably Diva, I hope [2015/12/01 12:07] Nebadon Izumi: same guy who pulled OSgrid out of the gutter [2015/12/01 12:08] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: hello Ubit :) [2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: he is willing to do the hard work for opensimulator project and has some good ideas [2015/12/01 12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: Ok. see you later. [2015/12/01 12:08]  Ubit.Umarov @hg.osgrid.org: ( hi ) [2015/12/01 12:08]  Richardus.Raymaker @hypergrid.org:8002: need to go [2015/12/01 12:08]  Nebadon Izumi: but im waiting until after OSCC and teh holidays before talking with core team [2015/12/01 12:08]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: yep i need to head off to.. let me reverse gravity back to normal again before i leave :) [2015/12/01 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: its just too hectic right now [2015/12/01 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: ok thanks everyone [2015/12/01 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: great test [2015/12/01 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: could not have gone better [2015/12/01 12:08] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: what about having a donations board during the OSCC? we all have a reason to be thankful [2015/12/01 12:08] Andrew Hellershanks: If someone was really wanting to donate they could send $ directly to the core devs. That might be the only option for now. [2015/12/01 12:08] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: thank you Neb for all your hard work [2015/12/01 12:08] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: to all those working behind the screen [2015/12/01 12:08] Nebadon Izumi: its almost like OpenSim is real software now! [2015/12/01 12:08] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: and to all the Developers, thank you [2015/12/01 12:09] Nebadon Izumi: :) [2015/12/01 12:09]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: donations that go direct to the developers or so? [2015/12/01 12:09]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: Nebadon: just don't look at the code :)) [2015/12/01 12:09]  Tom.Frost @hypergrid.org:8002: [2015/12/01 12:09]  Lyr Lobo chuckles [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: right now only donation Opensimulator receives [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: is the server [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: donated by Sinwave [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: Adam Frisby [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: well and this server from Crista and UCI [2015/12/01 12:09]  Nebadon Izumi: thats it just the 2 servers [2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: money complicates things [2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: it wont necesarily make things better [2015/12/01 12:10]  Nebadon Izumi: but its sometimes also necessary evil [2015/12/01 12:10] Andrew Hellershanks nods [2015/12/01 12:10] Nebadon Izumi: there are costs [2015/12/01 12:10] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew how would one go to donate direct to the devs? I dont even know who the devs are :) [2015/12/01 12:10] Shez.Oyen @hg.osgrid.org: So Neb I should stop monthly donation? Don't want to spoil things [2015/12/01 12:10]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Ubit I know he is, cuz I know him from kitely :) [2015/12/01 12:10] Andrew Hellershanks: Some people think that fixing a problem is a matter of tossing (enough) money at it. [2015/12/01 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Development_Team [2015/12/01 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: Ubit you need to fill in your info [2015/12/01 12:11] Shez.Oyen @hg.osgrid.org: Money is the manure of enlightenment [2015/12/01 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: i made a place holder for you [2015/12/01 12:11] Andrew Hellershanks: Still needs someone with the time, and effort to fix the problem. [2015/12/01 12:11] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: no Andrew, I dont agree with you. But its the only way to show appreciation. Or do you suggest a better one? [2015/12/01 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: Find more devs [2015/12/01 12:11] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Money could fix the website, or pay someone to take the time to do it [2015/12/01 12:11]  Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I am not rich, dont have 1000s to donate [2015/12/01 12:11] Nebadon Izumi: 1 good dev is worht more than a million dollars [2015/12/01 12:11] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: but dunno how to say thank you [2015/12/01 12:12] Nebadon Izumi: between diva and melanie and Justin alone [2015/12/01 12:12] Nebadon Izumi: we are looking at millions of dollars in development costs [2015/12/01 12:12] Nebadon Izumi: donated [2015/12/01 12:12] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: I bet Nebadon [2015/12/01 12:12] Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, don't agree on which part? That money doesn't help fix problems? [2015/12/01 12:12] Nebadon Izumi: its really hard to put a number on the total value of opensimulator [2015/12/01 12:12] Nebadon Izumi: but its probably in or near the 10's of millions of dollars now [2015/12/01 12:12] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: money helps advertise too. depends on what you do with it [2015/12/01 12:13] Andrew Hellershanks: yes, money helps show appreciation. That part is true [2015/12/01 12:13] Nebadon Izumi: of course its not really worth that much [2015/12/01 12:13] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew you said something like "some think money will etc etc" and I said, donating its the only way tosay thank you [2015/12/01 12:13] Nebadon Izumi: but if you were to pay developers to do the same amount of code [2015/12/01 12:13] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: and asked you if you hav e a better way [2015/12/01 12:13] Nebadon Izumi: it would not be cheap [2015/12/01 12:14] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: maybe not pay devs directly, but provide for some perks, for get togethers, for other things [2015/12/01 12:14] Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, yes, it can say Thank You but it can't solve code problems or add features. That still needs someone to make the code changes needed. [2015/12/01 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: One of the probelms i find with money [2015/12/01 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: is sometimes its hard to make people feel like they get their moneys worth [2015/12/01 12:14] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: Andrew agree with you, there is not enuff money to pay for the work done [2015/12/01 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: and then they expect the person who wrote the code [2015/12/01 12:14] Nebadon Izumi: to fully document and support it [2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: unfortuantely a few 100 or even 1000$ generally is not worth it [2015/12/01 12:15]  Nebadon Izumi: for those who are seeking money [2015/12/01 12:15] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: it can be only a way to let the devs know that we not only complain and expect, but are many very thankful [2015/12/01 12:15] Nebadon Izumi: so you either end up getting partially delivered code [2015/12/01 12:15] Nebadon Izumi: and the dev disappears forever [2015/12/01 12:15] Nebadon Izumi: which is a bad result [2015/12/01 12:15] Andrew Hellershanks: Isis, yea, and the people that can do the work usually have enough stuff they are doing which makes it hard to take on another task, or to change priorities [2015/12/01 12:15] Nebadon Izumi: or the people donating are not satsfied and feel ripped off [2015/12/01 12:15] Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: money is not the only way to motivate developers [2015/12/01 12:16] Nebadon Izumi: causing a big rift between community and devleopers [2015/12/01 12:16] Nebadon Izumi: sure it can motivate folks [2015/12/01 12:16] Nebadon Izumi: but it can also cause divisions [2015/12/01 12:16] Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: I think Firestorm is a good example [2015/12/01 12:16] Nebadon Izumi: look at the Video code work that was done to have better rigged clothing [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: the comminity paid 5500$ [2015/12/01 12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: Right. Write software and you hear lots when there are problems. When it works as expected one hears very little. [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: to Carl [2015/12/01 12:17] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: understand Nebadon [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: and SL would not accept the code [2015/12/01 12:17] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: Depends on what its being spent on, obviously OSGrid runs developer code and needs donations to keep it afloat, so thats always a worth cause, especially if your using it. [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: it was really a black eye for viewer development [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: all that money and none of the code ever got used [2015/12/01 12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: nebadon: Did that code still wind up in some viewer? [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: no [2015/12/01 12:17]  Nebadon Izumi: it ended up being pulled [2015/12/01 12:17] Andrew Hellershanks: That sucks [2015/12/01 12:17] Nebadon Izumi: LL had a fit [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: cause it was expanding viewer functionality without their sayso [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: that is against the TOS and TPV rules [2015/12/01 12:18] Andrew Hellershanks: Good old NIH [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: LL is the only one who can initiate new functionality for the most part [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: anything that changes the user experience [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: LL reserves the right to reject the code [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: sometimes they will take it [2015/12/01 12:18]  Nebadon Izumi: if its beneficial etc.. [2015/12/01 12:18] Nebadon Izumi: in that case they did not [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: they endedd up fixing it themsevles in the end [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: im not sure it ever satified anyone [2015/12/01 12:19] Andrew Hellershanks: And that cost LL time and money. [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: yes i think the problem was [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: LL wanted to use Havok [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: and Carl re-invented the wheel [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: so to speak [2015/12/01 12:19] Nebadon Izumi: so it could be cross platform [2015/12/01 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: i guess they did not like that maybe [2015/12/01 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: LL definitely was kind of in freefall mode at the time [2015/12/01 12:20] Nebadon Izumi: M linden was just smashing everything [2015/12/01 12:21] Nebadon Izumi: ah well, I think in the end it was better we moved further away from SL, though still not far enough :) [2015/12/01 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: at some point we wont have a choice [2015/12/01 12:21]  Nebadon Izumi: it was never really realistic to think SL would be compatible with opensimulator [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: forever anyway [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: not that we would ever ditch the functionality [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: we just need to go beyond [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: keep the good bits [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: improve the bad bits [2015/12/01 12:22]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: /mr nods [2015/12/01 12:22]  Nebadon Izumi: invent new bits [2015/12/01 12:22]  Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002 nods [2015/12/01 12:22]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org listens [2015/12/01 12:22]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org wonders if bad bits = features [2015/12/01 12:22] Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: lol [2015/12/01 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: haha some people may think so [2015/12/01 12:23]  Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org chuckles [2015/12/01 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: funny how much sometimes we become reliant on bugs [2015/12/01 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: people get mad when we fix stuff sometimes [2015/12/01 12:23] Nebadon Izumi: lol [2015/12/01 12:23] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org hate the backspace feature in internet explorer, especially will filling out web forms at work. [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: ok guys I need to run get some food [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: i have not eaten today [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: and its nearly 4pm [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: haha [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: time to eat [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: thanks everyone [2015/12/01 12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: ok, I'm going to get going. [2015/12/01 12:24] Samuel.Greenway @hg.osgrid.org: great time, thanks again for all the hard work to make our world come to life [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi whispers: really great test, hope you all make it for OSCC [2015/12/01 12:24] Shy.Robbiani @hg.osgrid.org: I've got to run too... have a great time evweybody and thank you Neb [2015/12/01 12:24] Isis.Ophelia @login.digiworldz.com:8002: have a good lunch Nebadon, for me its 9.30 pm [2015/12/01 12:24]  Nebadon Izumi: or atleast spend some time exploring the expo zones [2015/12/01 12:24] Lyr Lobo cheers [2015/12/01 12:24] Nebadon Izumi: see you all soon! [2015/12/01 12:24] Andrew Hellershanks: See you next week [2015/12/01 12:25] Alan.Tupper @login.digiworldz.com:8002: cya Neb!