Chat log from the meeting on 2010-07-13

[09:53] Lani Global is Online [09:53] Master Dubrovna: Hi Neb [09:53] Nebadon Izumi: hello [09:54] Nebadon Izumi: wierd the chairs are screwed up [09:54]  Master Dubrovna: kinda [09:54] Master Dubrovna: new couch? [09:54] Nebadon Izumi: oh there you go [09:54]  Nebadon Izumi: no [09:54]  Nebadon Izumi: must have just been slow [09:54] Master Dubrovna: ah OK [09:54]  Nebadon Izumi: ya seems to be working now [09:54] Master Dubrovna: yes [09:54] Master Dubrovna: looks good [09:55] Master Dubrovna: Is that one vacant storefront here available? [09:55] Nebadon Izumi: sure [09:55] Master Dubrovna: cool [09:55] Master Dubrovna: Patch and I would like to use it [09:55]  Nebadon Izumi: ok [09:55]  Master Dubrovna: She is starting to build again [09:55] Nebadon Izumi: let me set it up [09:55]  Master Dubrovna: thanks [09:55] Entering god mode, level 255 [09:56] Nebadon Izumi: ok its set for sale to you for 0L [09:56] Master Dubrovna: OK Thanks [09:56] Master Dubrovna: I will get it [09:56]  Nebadon Izumi: cool :) [09:56]  Richardus Raymaker: hi nebadon [09:56]  Nebadon Izumi: hello [09:56]  Richardus Raymaker: hous emore clean ? [09:57]  Nebadon Izumi: heh its getting there [09:57]  Nebadon Izumi: i cant wait to be done [09:57]  Master Dubrovna: Hi Rich [09:59]  Richardus Raymaker: hello master [09:59]  Nebadon Izumi: brb afk a few minutes [09:59]  Master Dubrovna: kk [10:00]  Master Dubrovna: You using the weekly Imprudence version rich? [10:00]  Richardus Raymaker: no not atm. still at beta5 [10:00]  Master Dubrovna: ah OK [10:00]  Justin Clark-Casey is Online [10:00]  Master Dubrovna: so far so good with it [10:01]  Richardus Raymaker: not found time to switch. where woring on voice. not thats up i can try newer imprudence [10:01]  Master Dubrovna: Hows voice coming? [10:01]  Richardus Raymaker: is works perfect (freeswitch 1.0.6) [10:01] Master Dubrovna: cool [10:01] Justin Clark-Casey: hi folks [10:01] Master Dubrovna: Hi [10:01]  Justin Clark-Casey: nice video [10:01] Richardus Raymaker: hi Justin [10:02] Nebadon Izumi: back, hey Justin [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: Justin whatever you did to IAR last night [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: fixed Simiangrid issues for not only me but dj_phil also confirmed its fixed [10:03] Nebadon Izumi: it wasnt working for him either [10:03] Justin Clark-Casey: wow, the delay in pumpting all that crap out to the log must have been the factor [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: ya must have been it was an amazing amount of spew [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: it makes a lot more sense now [10:04] Justin Clark-Casey: good [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: it was sorta scary to see all that spew and errors [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: it seems to go alot faster now [10:04] Nebadon Izumi: probably 20-30% faster [10:04] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, writing out to the log does actually take some significant time [10:05] Justin Clark-Casey: I wish we had more log levels but we don't :) [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: i was also wondering [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: it seems to be checking for the original owner of the IAR [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: for 10-20 minutes [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: is it not caching that data? [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: is it checking the user server everytime? [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: i think this is the bulk of load IAR time [10:05]  Justin Clark-Casey: Those checks should be being cached by the user service layer [10:05]  Nebadon Izumi: what if the user doesnt exist? [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: is that cached? [10:06]  Justin Clark-Casey: it's possible that the user service isn't caching that... hmm [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: in all my test cases the user doesnt exist [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: i was wonder if we could some how cache that info [10:06]  Nebadon Izumi: and say dont even bother checking [10:06] Nebadon Izumi: i suspect that would speed up Load iar by 60-70% [10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, that would be the sensible thing [10:06] Justin Clark-Casey: I'll put it on my long list, but you might also want to mention it to diva [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: ok, she has worked on IAR? [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: i didnt realize that [10:07] Justin Clark-Casey: she worked on the caching [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: oh ok [10:07]  Richardus Raymaker: is iar working now under linux. not tried it anymore since last error [10:07] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:07] Justin Clark-Casey: it should be working, thuogh there are some basic bugs [10:07] Justin Clark-Casey: I hope to get some time to address these towards the end of this week [10:08] Justin Clark-Casey: just ran across some of them myself today :) [10:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: stupid programmers can't get their code right :) [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: rofl [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: im posting a new 0.6.9-post-fixes release on OSgrid right now [10:08] Nebadon Izumi: on master post-fixes [10:09] Justin Clark-Casey: how are things looking with 0.6.9-post-fixes generally? [10:09] Richardus Raymaker: ok. [10:09] Master Dubrovna: very good [10:09] Master Dubrovna: Thanks Neb [10:10] Lani Global is Offline [10:10] kikie LEE: oops [10:11] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think its been pretty good Justin [10:11] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) c7a2e1b: 2010-07-08 10:17:28 -0700 (Unix/Mono) [10:11] Justin Clark-Casey: I think I will do a 0.6.9.1 shortly after 0.7 is out the door [10:11] Master Dubrovna: I have not had to restart the server for quite some time [10:11] kikie LEE: I a lost [10:12] kikie LEE: oooohhhhh [10:12] kikie LEE: lost [10:12] Nebadon Izumi: ya uptimes have been as good as ever on the plazas [10:12] Lani Global is Online [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: i think melanie is redoing inventory perms [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: you might want to wait until thats done for backporting Justin [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: if its even possible [10:13] Richardus Raymaker: aha, nice. something weird is in the inventory perms. hope meanie add 1 extra perm [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: we found some issues with that today [10:13] Justin Clark-Casey: I doubt I'll be backporting that [10:13] Nebadon Izumi: no doubt it would benefit 0.6.9 to have these fixes if it is like i said possible [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: ok [10:14]  Nebadon Izumi: the problem does exist here unfortunatly, but im not really sure how much longer we'll be on 0.6.9 [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: hopefully not too much longer [10:14] Nebadon Izumi: we kind of put it off until after OSG3B [10:14] Penny Lane is Online [10:14] Justin Clark-Casey: yeah, backporting takes effort and I unfortunately I can often only justify it if I it's a direct issue for what I need to do [10:15]  Justin Clark-Casey: and anyway, sometimes it's better to not do too much in order to preserve stability [10:15] Richardus Raymaker: i thoink just test it on 0.7 dotn backport it. it creates maby more problems then it fixes [10:15] kikie LEE: heehee [10:15] Richardus Raymaker: hehe. if i type i cant read :) [10:15] Nebadon Izumi: ya no worries [10:15]  Richardus Raymaker: i dont expect 0.8 befre end of juli [10:16]  Nebadon Izumi: its possible melanie might even do it or someone else [10:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes [10:16]  Nebadon Izumi: i just wanted to mention it as a possibility really, no worries if your not interested [10:16]  Richardus Raymaker: oops i mean 0.7 [10:16]  Justin Clark-Casey: sure, no problem [10:16]  Richardus Raymaker: wel sometimes objects seems to get no perms and then you need to ask again [10:16]  Nebadon Izumi: the problem seems to be if you set permissions in invenotory [10:17]  Nebadon Izumi: then pass that item to someone else [10:17]  Nebadon Izumi: the perms are lost [10:17]  Nebadon Izumi: likely same thing happens with scripts etc dropped into prims [10:17]  Richardus Raymaker: aha. oh. but some thing you can only set in inventory [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: if thier perms are set in inventory then rezzed after passed [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: the permissions are lost [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: and the item becomes no permissions at all [10:17] Richardus Raymaker: i think we talk about the same problem nebadon [10:17] Richardus Raymaker: yes [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: but melanie is working out a fix now [10:17] Nebadon Izumi: she said it was a real mess [10:18] Richardus Raymaker: thats a bug for a long long time [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: ya i had no idea until today [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: i had seen wierd perms issues but never put 2 and 2 together [10:18] Richardus Raymaker: but nobody figured out if it where a bug [10:18] Justin Clark-Casey: there are still big areas like that [10:18] Nebadon Izumi: new version is posted on website if anyone is interested in upgrading [10:19] Luisillo Contepomi: hi all [10:19] Luisillo Contepomi: hola a todos [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: hello [10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: hi luisillo [10:19] Justin Clark-Casey: nebadon: how are things on osgrid? [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: things have been good, were slowly working towards migrating [10:19] Nebadon Izumi: we had some hardware setbacks [10:19] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Post_Fixes) c7a2e1b: 2010-07-08 10:17:28 -0700 (Unix/Mono) [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: we ordered raid adapters for our 1U Intel Rack servers [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: but apparantly we ordered the wrong Riser boards [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: then we had a really hard time finding the proper ones [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: we finally found some on ebay [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: but we just got them ordered today [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: and likely wont have them for a few more days [10:20] Nebadon Izumi: thats sorta slowed us down a bit on things we wanted to do [10:21]  Master Dubrovna: How are the funds doing? Donations still coming in? [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: still coming in pretty regularly [10:21] Justin Clark-Casey: nice [10:21] Richardus Raymaker: what where wrong with old raid ? [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: i know daves been working on some expense stuff and intended to post updates on the website about donations [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: we use software raid right now [10:21] Nebadon Izumi: we ordered really bad ass hardware raid adapters [10:21] Richardus Raymaker: aha. ok [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: but when dave went to the data center to install it [10:22]  Nebadon Izumi: it wasnt until we had everything ripped appart we realized the risers were wrong [10:22] Nebadon Izumi: so it was a big set back [10:23] koggala benelli: hi Richardus [10:23] Nebadon Izumi: we were planning on doing some major hardware shifting once that was complete [10:23] Nebadon Izumi: which is a set back for the website upgrade [10:23] Nebadon Izumi: and other things we were moving around [10:23] Nebadon Izumi: but hopefully we will have the Raid thing worked out in the next few weeks [10:23] Richardus Raymaker: hello kogg [10:23] Nebadon Izumi: then we can move on [10:24]  Nebadon Izumi: we should see significant improvement in asset services though [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: software raid really sucks [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: especially on 6TB of discs [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:24] Richardus Raymaker: are the raid adapters still common available ? [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: yea [10:24] Nebadon Izumi: let me get link 1 sec [10:24] Richardus Raymaker: thats my nightmare with hardware raid. not compatible with other controllers [10:25] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118107 [10:25] Dahlia Trimble: hi :) [10:25]  Justin Clark-Casey: hi dahlia [10:25]  Nebadon Izumi: hello Dahlia [10:25]  Nebadon Izumi: we will have 2 of these adapters [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: one for each server [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: 4 x 2tb drives on each [10:26]  Richardus Raymaker: hi dahlia [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: we would already have it installed if the risers would have fit, sucks [10:26]  Richardus Raymaker: oh cool sas adapter. are the hdd's sas or sata ? [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi: its both [10:26]  Nebadon Izumi whispers: it does SAS or SATA [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: we have SATA [10:27]  Richardus Raymaker: sas drive must be very good. [10:27]  Richardus Raymaker: aha [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: depends [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: nice thing about SAS is they go up to 15000 RPM [10:27]  Richardus Raymaker: what i know is that sas can do synchroon actions and sata not [10:27]  Nebadon Izumi: where SATA is max 10000 RPM [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: but SAS is expensive [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: 6tb of SAS is like 10,000$ [10:27] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:27] Richardus Raymaker: yes. thats the problem [10:28] Richardus Raymaker: but the are made for work like this [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: ya SATA is just as good [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: just not as much performance [10:28] Nebadon Izumi: SATA at 7200 RPM will last a lot longer than 15k SAS do [10:28]  Justin Clark-Casey: quiet today [10:29] Richardus Raymaker: can the hardware manufacture not donate a few :) [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ya the whole project has been pretty quiet lately [10:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: I guess it is summer [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: maybe a testament to how well its actually running [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: i would hope [10:29]  Justin Clark-Casey: ha ha [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: ya that too [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: probably a mix of the two [10:29]  Nebadon Izumi: I think for the bulk of users its running better than it ever has [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: unless your like me with 3gb of inventory [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: true, but that's really still not saying much [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: and you like to intentionally break things [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: but ya mostly summer [10:30]  Nebadon Izumi: everyone is probably out enjoying themselves while they can [10:30]  Justin Clark-Casey: yes - it's raining here in the uk though [10:30] Richardus Raymaker: i just dropped 1000 textures out of my inventory. dont see it grow :O [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya i could probably stand to drop about 10,000 textures [10:31] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:31] Region Showcase Kiosk: Received 31 regions from database. [10:31] Richardus Raymaker: i just put them in a box in my warehouse storage [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: i probably have 1000's of dupes [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: i know i have atleast 5 or 6 copies of Arizona Bay an DeathRace [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: 1 copy of deathrace is 1500 textures [10:32] Nebadon Izumi: Arizona bay is like 800 [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: but i figure its good to keep my inventory fat [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: its a good test [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: if i get to the point i become completley non-functional then i do cleaning [10:33] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:34] Richardus Raymaker: yes. [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: oh [10:34]  Nebadon Izumi: ive been Testing MariaDB [10:34] Dahlia Trimble: is deathrace still up? [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: infact all my regions now are running MariaDB [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: yes Dahlia [10:34] Richardus Raymaker: oh. then your faster then me. but i have voice [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: deathrace2025 is the region name [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: OSG3B regions are running from MariaDB, so far its been great [10:34] Nebadon Izumi: its definatly no worse than MySQL, and might even be a bit better, faster [10:35] Dahlia Trimble: cool, I was telling a friend about the sculpted terrain but I didnt know if it was still online [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: its got a lot of bug fixes and optimizations that Sun and Oracle are ignoring [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya if you want i can send you the OAR too [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: http://nebadon2025.com/oars/okc_deathrace2025_3x3_megaregion_06072010.oar [10:35] Nebadon Izumi: it has some racers included in the OAR also [10:35] Richardus Raymaker: good news nebadon. its on my list [10:35] Dahlia Trimble: ty :) [10:36]  Dahlia Trimble: how big is the megaregion? [10:36]  Nebadon Izumi: 3x3 [10:36]  Dahlia Trimble: oh it says 3x3 lol [10:36]  Nebadon Izumi: also for Linux users, you want to check with your particular Linux of choice and check to see if MySQL is being dropped [10:36]  Nebadon Izumi: Novell has announced that SuSe 11.3 which is due out tommorow or next day [10:36]  Nebadon Izumi: will not have MySQL support [10:37]  Nebadon Izumi: only MariaDB will be available via their repos [10:37]  Richardus Raymaker: thats other good news nebadon. [10:37]  Richardus Raymaker: hope desktop is better [10:37]  Nebadon Izumi: i have a feeling Red Hat/ Fedora and Centos are following suite [10:37]  Nebadon Izumi: no one wants to deal with Oracle [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: but the good news is, in suse changing over to Maria is cake [10:38]  sonyeke Lane: hi [10:38]  Nebadon Izumi: when you uninstall MySQL from yast [10:38] Nebadon Izumi: it leaves the database structure intact [10:38] Justin Clark-Casey: do you have a link? All I see is a page saying they still have mysql but renamed the package [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: so when you add the unstable repo and install MariaDB from yast [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: it automaticlly picks up the MYSQL databases and imports them in [10:39]  Nebadon Izumi: it could not have been any easier to switch over [10:39] Richardus Raymaker: and phpmyadmin dont need any change ? [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: right [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: though you might have trouble with the socket in PHP [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: but its also easy fix [10:39] sonyeke Lane: one questions .. i need help.. [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: just a matter of fixing the php configs [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: to look at proper socket [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: i only had 1 of 3 servers do that [10:39] Nebadon Izumi: it was suse 11.1 server [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: my 11.2 servers had zero issues [10:40] Richardus Raymaker: oh. 1 still runs on 11.1 but i thoink 11.2 is available [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: you can dist upgrade [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: without reloading [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: its supeer easy [10:40] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec [10:40] Richardus Raymaker: ill wait when i upgrade the server. test it at home first [10:40] sonyeke Lane: tk for nothing [10:42] Richardus Raymaker: must see if the hosting supports that [10:42] Nebadon Izumi: lol Sonyeke you didnt even ask a question we cant read minds [10:42] Richardus Raymaker: but your right. forgot that option [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: ya i just did this on my simhost.com box i rent [10:43] Justin Clark-Casey: haven't seen mr stallings around recently [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: i was running 11.1 and did a dist upgrade to 11.2 it went perfectly [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: hit no snags [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: he has been on IRC [10:43] Nebadon Izumi: ive not seen him in world for a while [10:44] Justin Clark-Casey: ah ok [10:44]  Nebadon Izumi: I think hes been working with Adam a bit [10:44] Nebadon Izumi: who is also MIA most of the time [10:44] Nebadon Izumi: lol [10:44] Justin Clark-Casey: still working on his indian vw? [10:44] Nebadon Izumi: not sure honestly [10:44] Nebadon Izumi: i havent spoken to adam in ages [10:44] Nebadon Izumi: in the past 6 months i think we spoke 3-4 times maybe [10:45] Justin Clark-Casey: ah ok :) [10:45]  Nebadon Izumi: i heard he was working on some project in India but i have no idea what it even is [10:45]  Dahlia Trimble: there was some chinese virtual world thing he was involved with [10:45]  Aramis Soren: hi all.. my hair will be along shortly lol [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: ya i havent seen anything he was doing yet [10:46]  Nebadon Izumi: hehe hello Aramis [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: well I am just about done with my RL move, so i should be around alot more after another day or so [10:47]  Justin Clark-Casey: hello aramis [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: id like to schedule some kind of load test later this week for OSG3B simulator, i'll post some details on news when im ready [10:47]  Richardus Raymaker: hi aramis [10:47]  Aramis Soren: hi hi [10:47]  Justin Clark-Casey: when is osg3b? [10:47]  Nebadon Izumi: but i should be able to do alot more testing too [10:47] Nebadon Izumi: July 22-26 [10:47] Dahlia Trimble: on news? [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: ya http://news.osgrid.org [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: which will show on the login screen also [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: i'll tweet too [10:48] Dahlia Trimble: IRC too [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: ya [10:48]  Nebadon Izumi: i'll plaster it around [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: it like to get atleast 50 people in [10:48]  Nebadon Izumi: im skeptical we'll get more than 50 [10:48] Penny Lane: Group chat seems to be broken for the AW Groupies channel here, not even getting an echo back. And the bridge to IRC+SL is only working downstream, can't write from here. [10:48] Nebadon Izumi: but hopefully im wrong [10:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya we need to figure that out [10:49] Richardus Raymaker: hi penny [10:49] Nebadon Izumi: i need to hunt down Mcortez [10:49] Penny Lane: Hi Rich :-) [10:49]  Richardus Raymaker: group chat is broken for many. it seems only older created groups work [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: i'll try to send him an email later today [10:49]  Dahlia Trimble: Penny, yes, seems you can only reply from my "D Squared" region [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: ya its wierd i have some new groups that work [10:49]  Richardus Raymaker: besides the lag it creates [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: ya we probably wont get around the lag anytime soon [10:49]  Richardus Raymaker: is group not running its own thread ? [10:49]  Misterblue Waves: my testing has 0.6.8 topping out around 50. [10:49]  Nebadon Izumi: but we should be able to get it working [10:49]  Penny Lane: That's odd, Dahlia [10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: i just need to get mcortez involved i havent seen him in a while though [10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: now i have more time i can try to get in touch [10:50]  Nebadon Izumi: mcortez@gmail.com if anyone else wants to ask him as well [10:50] Dahlia Trimble: I thought it was working at one time but now seems borked somewhat [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: ya it almost seems to randmly work and not [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: though certain groups never work [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: very odd [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: yet groups like Love and Peace with 600+ users work fine [10:51] Nebadon Izumi: very strange [10:51] Aramis Soren: plazas are now on mariaDB you said nebadon? [10:51] Richardus Raymaker: yes. but groups i created. i cannot chat [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: no Aramis just OSG3B [10:52] Aramis Soren: ok [10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: none of the Plazas yet [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: though i would like too [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: needs more testing though [10:52] Aramis Soren: hopefully will work the same for you [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: you can visit any of my regions though [10:52] Dorothea Lundquist is Offline [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: all of my persoanl regions are on MariaDB [10:52] Dahlia Trimble: regular mysql connection strings work with mariadb? [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: yes Dahlia [10:52] Richardus Raymaker: how's memory usage with mariadb ? [10:52] Nebadon Izumi: its basiclly 1:1 with mysql [10:52] Dahlia Trimble: cool :) [10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: seems good Richardus [10:52]  Nebadon Izumi: so far i have no complaints [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: ive seen no decline at all [10:53]  Aramis Soren: will have to check it out, maybe when i reinstall slackware [10:53]  Dahlia Trimble: is it the same code? [10:53]  Master Dubrovna: and it will automatically import regular MySQL databases? [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: its a fork of MYSQL yes [10:53]  Richardus Raymaker: whoo, a slackware user. the are rare [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: but they applied dozens of patches and optimizations that Sun and Oracle haev been ignoring for a year [10:53]  Aramis Soren: hehe nothing but net [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: so its a bit more advanced than standard mysql [10:53]  Nebadon Izumi: but the commands are the same [10:54]  Nebadon Izumi: you can even use the MySQL GUI and phpMyAdmin [10:54]  Aramis Soren: nice [10:54] Master Dubrovna: nice [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya i even connected with mysql command line from a differnt machine [10:54] Dahlia Trimble: I struggle with basic mysql commands, I'm no power user by any means [10:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya you would likely not even know it was not mysql [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: except for the MariDB prompt [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: instead of MySQL [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: hehe [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: it still uses mysqld for deamon launch executable [10:55] Nebadon Izumi: as well as mysql for command line connection [10:56] Master Dubrovna: Are you using the 5.1.47 version? [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: i have some repos for various linux flavs [10:56] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec [10:57] Aramis Soren: got it here http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/server:/database:/UNSTABLE/ [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: http://michal.hrusecky.net/index.php/blog/show/Updates-in-unstable-repo-%28not-only%29-for-openSUSE.html [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: thats it Aramis [10:57] Dahlia Trimble: so if I have mysql databases now could I just use them with mariadb or would I need to reload them or something? [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: that URL has RHEL CENTOS [10:57] Nebadon Izumi: oh and Mandriva [10:58] Master Dubrovna: I wonder that too, Dahila [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: yes [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: it reads the same data structure as well [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: infact when you uninstall mysql from yast [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: it leaves your mysql databases intact [10:58] UUID Speaker: John Howard: a4b3d490-f4a8-2242-5194-88de67b3dd1a [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: then when you install MariaDB it automaticlly importes them [10:58] Nebadon Izumi: when you start it for the 1st time [10:58] Richardus Raymaker: something else. not sure if its opensim or viewer side. with voice it tryes to connect every n second (chat spam) if you enter a non voice region. does opensim not signal the client or ? [10:59] Justin Clark-Casey: in the viewer log? [10:59] Dahlia Trimble: I'm more or less a debian user. Not for the politics, I've just used it for ages [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: ya im sure its not nearly as easy in debian Dahlia [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: but you might check with dave he is the Debian Repo master [10:59] Nebadon Izumi: he can probably find you either a repo or .deb for maria [10:59] Dahlia Trimble: coyled? [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: ya [11:00]  Dahlia Trimble: cool [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: so far im very happy with the ease of switching over though [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: it really couldnt have been any easier on Suse [11:00] Master Dubrovna: Any issues with the windows version that you know of? [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: on one server i installed it myself [11:00] Nebadon Izumi: not from the repos [11:01] Nebadon Izumi: and i ran into an issue with the socket [11:01] Nebadon Izumi: you may have to adjust PHP to use differnt socket [11:01] Nebadon Izumi: but other than that no snags [11:01] Richardus Raymaker: suse works fine [11:01] Richardus Raymaker: the php part i need to look at. [11:01] Dahlia Trimble: so far I've had really good luck with mysql but it probably would help to get more people using other databases [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: ya i initially just wanted to test it to see how well it worked [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: but then when i learned that Novell is dropping support completlely [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: i figured i better learn how do use MariaDB [11:02] Richardus Raymaker: i hear so many people with problems and sqlite [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: ya well sqlite is ok for small standalone regions [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: if your just testing/learning opensim [11:02] Nebadon Izumi: but if you want to do anything really serious, its not an option [11:03] Dahlia Trimble: sqlite seems to work ok for windows [11:03] Richardus Raymaker: and still i know someone that use it with very much prims. i think she not changed [11:03] Richardus Raymaker: aha, she uses windows [11:03] Nebadon Izumi: ya some people it wont be a problem [11:03] Nebadon Izumi: i think if your expecting 30-50 users on a sim though sqlite wont cut it [11:03]  Nebadon Izumi: another thing i dont like about sqlite is it locks the DB file [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: so you have to down the sim to inspect the data [11:04] Dahlia Trimble: sqlite is really slow tho, not good when building [11:04] Aramis Soren: problems with sqlite started 5k-8k prims, after that was unusable with 2 people [11:04] Justin Clark-Casey: I do wonder if sqlite does more harm than good, sometimes [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: that sounds about right Aramais [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: we changed this Plaza to MysQL around 7000 prims [11:04] Nebadon Izumi: beleive it or not this plaza ran sqlite for well over then 1st year [11:04] Aramis Soren: ah didn't know you ever had it sqlite [11:05] Nebadon Izumi: it wasnt until our population started growing it really became an issue [11:05] Nebadon Izumi: the plazas get hammered though [11:05] Nebadon Izumi: we sometimes get 100+ users an hour [11:05] Nebadon Izumi: not concurnet but within an hour its not unusual for 50-100 people to come and go [11:06]  Penny Lane: Is the SQL code localized in just one DB interface module, or spread throughout the back-end storage code? [11:06] Justin Clark-Casey: chatting? [11:06] Justin Clark-Casey: penny: one db module [11:06] Penny Lane: Coolness. Tnx Justin [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: all sorts of stuff i think this region most people come for the freebies [11:06] Nebadon Izumi: Lbsa is the chat box [11:06] Richardus Raymaker: then mariadb must be much betetr for plaza [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: i imagine all the well known freebie spots really get pounded hard [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: like Samsara [11:07] Dahlia Trimble: lunch time for me, bye all :) [11:07]  Richardus Raymaker: bye dahlia [11:07]  Nebadon Izumi: kk Dahlia, thanks for coming [11:07]  Penny Lane: Cyu Dahlia :-) [11:07] Richardus Raymaker: preparing for the bigger hits.. [11:07] Nebadon Izumi: i should probably get running here too, i need to run back to my old house for one more trip [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: anyone else have anything they want to say before we go? [11:08] Aramis Soren: ok later all [11:08] Nebadon Izumi: k thanks for coming everyone, keep an eye out for oSG3B load tests laster this week [11:08] Richardus Raymaker: why is opensim not tell the voice server you leave a regioname happens sometimes with audio stream. it dont stop [11:08] Nebadon Izumi whispers: anyone needs me you know where to find me :) [11:08]  Justin Clark-Casey: ok, bye folks [11:08]  Aramis Soren: will do neb [11:09]  Richardus Raymaker: bye JCC [11:09]  Penny Lane: Thanks Neb, have fun :-) [11:09] Penny Lane: Cyu Justin :-) [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: not sure Richardus, its something with teleport / border crossing [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: not updating [11:09]  Misterblue Waves: bye all [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: its likely because regions without voice [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: do not send out an update [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: so you stay connected to the originating sims voice service [11:09]  Penny Lane: Cyu Misterblue [11:09]  Justin Clark-Casey is Offline [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: i would consider that a bug [11:09]  Nebadon Izumi: worthy of mantis if there is not one [11:09]  Richardus Raymaker: aha. so its a bug in opensim ? [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: i would say yes [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: though needs more exploring [11:10]  Richardus Raymaker: yes. [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: i wouldnt hesitate to mantis it though [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: either way we gotta figure out why [11:10]  Nebadon Izumi: its probably a server side issue though [11:10] Nebadon Izumi: i think similar things happen when you teleport to a region with no media URL set [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: you can somtimes cary the media URLs from the pervious sims [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: even somtimes parcel descriptions and names [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: it could all be related [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: were just missing updates on occasion for some reason [11:11] Richardus Raymaker: ok. its all i have seen and heared [11:11] Richardus Raymaker: maby its with older region versions. [11:11] Nebadon Izumi: ya it could be that too [11:11] Richardus Raymaker: i think best to see how 0.7 works [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: teleporting from new sim to older sims code [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: could be 1 sim was just misbehaving needs a kick [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: probably all kinds of reasons [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: ok guys i gotta run, i'll be back in a few hours on IRC [11:12] Master Dubrovna: See ya Neb [11:12] Nebadon Izumi: thanks for coming all :) see you soon [11:12]  Penny Lane: Cyu Neb [11:12]  Patch Ferber: bye Neb